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| 04:27.44 | influx | ~karma CenturyLink |
| 04:27.44 | ibot | centurylink has karma of -7 |
| 04:27.57 | ninnypants1 | heh |
| 04:29.48 | influx | I hope that they give my line a diploma after all these automated tests they keep throwing at it. |
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| 13:40.36 | josephscott | $rlart |
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| 15:40.54 | mindjuju | the term "fast ethernet" always means 10/100 doesn't it? |
| 15:41.21 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 15:41.27 | mindjuju | thx |
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| 16:40.28 | mindjuju | hey eggyknap - An SQL query goes into a bar, walks up to two tables and says, "Can I join you?" |
| 16:40.35 | mindjuju | saw it on fb |
| 16:42.23 | TuxToaster | and since I got that from macnewbold, it comes full circle. :P |
| 16:42.45 | macnewbold | i got it from a post clondon shared |
| 16:42.57 | macnewbold | which had originally been from a link on stackoverflow that has since been moderated |
| 16:43.11 | TuxToaster | ~moderation-- |
| 16:44.38 | mindjuju | i try to always take macnewbold in moderation |
| 16:44.45 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 16:44.47 | macnewbold | ~moderate mindjuju |
| 16:44.52 | macnewbold | ~troll mindjuju |
| 16:44.52 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares mindjuju a troll |
| 16:44.58 | mindjuju | what! |
| 16:45.10 | mindjuju | a troll of good looks and what is sensible |
| 16:45.19 | TuxToaster | ~brick mindjuju |
| 16:45.20 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on mindjuju and turns mindjuju into a brick |
| 16:45.43 | mindjuju | ~nosepick TuxToaster |
| 16:45.43 | ibot | ACTION plucks TuxToaster out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 16:45.59 | TuxToaster | ~scratch mindjuju's livecd |
| 16:45.59 | ibot | ACTION shreds mindjuju's livecd's backside |
| 16:46.06 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 16:46.09 | mindjuju | dag |
| 16:46.23 | TuxToaster | not sure how that equates to scratch, but it works. |
| 16:47.02 | mindjuju | i wonder what vivint is serving up for lunch today |
| 16:47.50 | jsmith | mindjuju: I know what I'm serving up :-p |
| 16:48.06 | TuxToaster | sirloin tips, mashed potatoes, fettuccini... |
| 16:48.20 | TuxToaster | no wings, sadly :P |
| 16:48.30 | mindjuju | virginia ham, potatoes au gratin and a nice cold crispy lemonade with a wheat roll << jsmith? |
| 16:49.27 | jsmith | mindjuju: Close... grilled hamburger (on homemade bread), lemonade smoothie in the blender, and a small salad made from some lettuce and tomatoes out of the garden |
| 16:49.46 | mindjuju | the wonders of working from home |
| 16:50.10 | macnewbold | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 16:50.10 | ibot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 16:50.21 | macnewbold | work that from home... |
| 16:50.44 | mindjuju | so rude |
| 16:50.52 | mindjuju | ~nyuk macnewbold |
| 16:50.52 | ibot | ACTION grabs macnewbold nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 16:51.41 | macnewbold | vivint menu today: breakfast: biscuits and gravy, eggs, bacon, sausage, hash browns, fresh fruit, yogurt parfait |
| 16:51.55 | mindjuju | no hot sauce? |
| 16:52.04 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: there's *always* hotsauce |
| 16:52.07 | mindjuju | oh good |
| 16:52.11 | eggyknap | mindjuju: lol :) |
| 16:52.31 | macnewbold | lunch - what TuxToaster said or sushi, jalapeno burger, or vegetable beef soup |
| 16:52.37 | mindjuju | that sounds almost like my saturday bfast, eggs + hash + queso fresco + tons of cholula |
| 16:52.42 | mindjuju | eggyknap - thought you'd like it |
| 16:52.46 | TuxToaster | the question is, do I want the sirloin tips, or the fettuccine? |
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| 16:53.12 | mindjuju | how much is lunch? |
| 16:53.44 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: free for us. $8 I think |
| 16:53.58 | jsmith | mindjuju: If I *were* in the office today, I'd be having D'Angelo's catered :-p |
| 16:54.09 | jsmith | mindjuju: So either way, I win! |
| 16:54.15 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:54.34 | TuxToaster | $8ball does jsmith win? |
| 16:54.34 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Without a doubt. |
| 16:54.38 | TuxToaster | traitor. |
| 16:54.56 | jsmith | "I rest my case, your honor. No further questions from the prosecution." |
| 16:55.03 | mindjuju | wow |
| 16:55.17 | mindjuju | we're having a bbq potluck |
| 16:55.25 | mindjuju | but it's nothing what you guys are having |
| 16:55.33 | mindjuju | but the good news i'm doing the main course |
| 16:55.52 | jsmith | mindjuju: Brisket? |
| 16:55.55 | jsmith | mindjuju: Hot links? |
| 16:56.10 | mindjuju | hot links |
| 16:56.17 | jsmith | mindjuju: How'd I know... |
| 16:56.31 | mindjuju | cheap but good, a crowd pleasing step |
| 16:56.55 | carmony | its nice working from home today |
| 16:57.09 | JacobEdmondKerr | Hey guys what do you think about my simple logger class: http://pastebin.com/aDS8nr58 ? It's kind of nice I use it with my errors class: http://pastebin.com/X7ZtWmqB and my notification class: http://pastebin.com/0hTQFKzm to logg everything on __destruct() it logs files in a log folder and break all the log files down to a dir that reflects the page that has the notification or error. I use it on my DB class to log everything as well. I've been l |
| 16:57.10 | JacobEdmondKerr | oving it! It has made it easy for me to debug and keep track of important information :). |
| 16:57.17 | JacobEdmondKerr | sorry for the long message :( |
| 16:58.18 | carmony | I dunno |
| 16:58.19 | carmony | yet |
| 16:58.34 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:58.34 | raifbot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on bradym. |
| 16:59.06 | TuxToaster | hmm, not very appealing of a lart this close to lunch. |
| 17:01.35 | TuxToaster | anyone have a bag of Jelly Belly's and a phone? You can get Jellybean running on your phone before Google releases it. :P |
| 17:01.37 | JacobEdmondKerr | Try it out. All you have to do is call logInfo or logError and it will log in z log folder and break it down by directory and page name making it easy to find all errors and notifications for a certain page :). |
| 17:03.13 | josephscott | TuxToaster: given current android update trends most people won't be running jellybean even after it is released |
| 17:04.00 | TuxToaster | josephscott: I know... when someone told me they were demoing Jellybean I'm thinking adoption of ICS has been slow... most devices I've seen are still on Gingerbread. |
| 17:04.11 | TuxToaster | kind of sad. |
| 17:04.51 | josephscott | they've fall into the trap that traditional mobile dev companies had - code on the phone is never updated, for the entire life of the device |
| 17:04.56 | JacobEdmondKerr | <--- Love android it's easier to develop for making more apps availble |
| 17:05.12 | jsmith | I hear Google *might* be taking over the releases more, so as to make them available in a more timely fashion |
| 17:05.26 | jsmith | (since the phone manufacturers can't get it pushed through the carrier's testing labs fast enough) |
| 17:05.29 | mindjuju | ~timely jsmith |
| 17:05.36 | TuxToaster | yeah, problem is you still have people with custom firmware built ontop of the releases |
| 17:06.01 | josephscott | agreed, google taking over isn't as easy as it sounds |
| 17:06.12 | TuxToaster | getting them to update their code to work on an updated base is like pulling teeth |
| 17:06.34 | josephscott | this whole motorola thing is going to make things stranger and stranger |
| 17:06.37 | TuxToaster | I mean... Honeycomb was intended to be tablet-focused, no? So why are most tablets based on Gingerbread + tons of stock addons |
| 17:07.09 | TuxToaster | B&N and Amazon are really unlikely to move the underpinnings to Honeycomb, ICS or Jellybean if they've already got a ton of investment in place |
| 17:07.12 | jsmith | josephscott: Just goes to show that Google really is promising not to muck around with Motorola, and they only wanted them for their IP war chest |
| 17:07.37 | josephscott | really, I was thinking exactly the opposite |
| 17:08.00 | josephscott | they really want a line of android devices that have better than a 1 in 200 chance of getting OS updates |
| 17:08.11 | JacobEdmondKerr | I know more about tech stuff then you do! :)~ Muahahahaha! J/K |
| 17:08.30 | TuxToaster | $lart JacobEdmondKerr |
| 17:08.30 | raifbot | steals JacobEdmondKerr's mojo. |
| 17:09.33 | josephscott | what I'd really like in an android device is a modest tablet that does a good job of playing h264 movies, then I could do away with the portable DVD player |
| 17:11.23 | josephscott | probably won't happen though, so I'll just be keeping an eye on the newer stuff, see what looks good, or bite the bullet and get an ipad one these days :-) |
| 17:22.38 | Bikerdan | Apparently Acer has been really good about Android updates. |
| 17:23.43 | Bikerdan | But I'm mostly an Apple guy, so that's the extent of my experience. :) |
| 17:33.20 | SunSparc | mindjuju: are you doing something with the Minecraft server? |
| 17:34.16 | mindjuju | nope |
| 17:35.38 | mindjuju | SunSparc :) |
| 17:35.40 | mindjuju | 2012-06-27 17:09:24 [INFO] ejnacnud: Stopping the server..^[[m 2012-06-27 17:09:24 [INFO] Stopping server |
| 17:35.52 | SunSparc | What?! |
| 17:35.54 | mindjuju | i'll start it up again :) |
| 17:36.14 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 17:36.14 | raifbot | Chuck Norris' iPod came with a real charger instead of just a USB cord |
| 17:36.24 | mindjuju | don't be too hard, with great power comes responsiblity, Corban is learning that too |
| 17:36.51 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol, I just gave him a tongue lashing. :) |
| 17:37.03 | mindjuju | k, it's up |
| 17:37.11 | SunSparc | Cool, thanks. |
| 17:37.31 | SunSparc | ~mindjuju++ |
| 17:37.58 | mindjuju | thx! i think the time is off on that server |
| 17:38.01 | mindjuju | i'll have to fix that |
| 17:42.26 | SunSparc | ~fix time |
| 17:42.27 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of time , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 17:48.25 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 17:48.42 | captbrogers | Anyone else watching Google I/O |
| 17:49.04 | DexterTheDragon | captbrogers: got a link? |
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| 17:56.13 | mindjuju | ~peno++ |
| 17:56.25 | tierra | DexterTheDragon: https://developers.google.com/events/io/ |
| 17:57.24 | DexterTheDragon | ~tierra++ |
| 17:59.51 | josephscott | plain text passwords stolen - http://notes.envato.com/general/tuts-premium-security/ |
| 18:00.34 | Monnok | made me lol by the third word |
| 18:01.27 | TuxToaster | SERIOUSLY? they were plain text? |
| 18:01.39 | TuxToaster | of all sites, I'd think Envato would know better. |
| 18:04.20 | TuxToaster | well, they blame it on a 3rd party plugin, which I could see as being an issue, but I'd probably avoid using the plugin if it required something silly like that |
| 18:07.28 | mindjuju | sadly, never heard of tuts+ |
| 18:07.31 | mindjuju | is it any good? |
| 18:07.35 | mindjuju | or was? |
| 18:09.34 | DexterTheDragon | guess they need to read their tutorial http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/understanding-hash-functions-and-keeping-passwords-safe/ |
| 18:12.16 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: look at the date |
| 18:12.29 | josephscott | seems clear they wrote it with the breach in mind |
| 18:12.33 | DexterTheDragon | hahaha |
| 18:12.59 | josephscott | of course, the original post was from "This tutorial was first published in January of 2011." |
| 18:13.06 | josephscott | so the clearly didn't read the original :-) |
| 18:13.34 | DexterTheDragon | nothing like a little ad revenue for you're screw ups |
| 18:14.19 | josephscott | I wonder how many people would be willing to sign up and give them money at this point |
| 18:14.41 | josephscott | break in is one thing, but plain text passwords, that is just super bad |
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| 18:18.03 | TuxToaster | yeah, the bad thing is they knew it was there, but put off changing it |
| 18:18.37 | TuxToaster | which was probably fine early on... but once they started charging people and actually building a popular presence they should have had things like that at the forefront |
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| 18:26.07 | TuxToaster | I built a site back in 2005 that stored credit card info, so I went a bit crazy on making sure the salts were unique. The salt was built from a hard set salt in the config + the user's ID + a creation timestamp in a separate table. That string was then salted with a second string from the config and hashed. |
| 18:27.01 | TuxToaster | might have been a bit overkill, but I figured that way if someone got ahold of any one piece of the puzzle, they wouldn't be able to reverse it |
| 18:28.27 | TuxToaster | since most attacks seem to target a specific database table, they wouldn't have known about the hash, and if they somehow got a hold of the config file with the salt or something it still wouldn't be enough |
| 18:29.44 | josephscott | phpass |
| 18:30.54 | mindjuju | to those of you who play / played TF2, the new Meet the Pyro vid came out,d on't bother with the site, it's swamped (www.teamfortress.com), but you can see the vid here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOnX8qt3I |
| 18:31.37 | tierra | a salt is just that... a salt... it really only needed to be sufficiently large enough random data generated per password... building salts from user data, IP, time, a config value, etc just makes it less random ;) |
| 18:33.10 | tierra | phpass++ |
| 18:44.31 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: First Google+ event tonight - Train and Paul Oakenfold will play. |
| 18:47.16 | TuxToaster | tierra: yeah, at the time though, I didn't know much about it beyond that I wanted to make sure there wasn't a single point of weakness |
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| 18:48.25 | TuxToaster | IMO though the unique salts need to be something that isn't easily obtained (such as the userID) unless it's combined with other elements that are harder to get |
| 18:49.32 | josephscott | TuxToaster: if the password is decent obtaining the salt isn't a big deal |
| 18:49.49 | josephscott | because it would still take them hundreds (thousands?) of years to brute force |
| 18:49.55 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 18:50.14 | TuxToaster | that's why all of mine are effectively random numbers and letters |
| 18:51.08 | TuxToaster | but I know way too many people that use really simple passwords. |
| 18:51.35 | TuxToaster | I mean, even something like your initials and birthday is a better combo than a dictionary word or 123456 |
| 18:52.18 | josephscott | bcrypt for the win :-) |
| 18:53.30 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:53.32 | raifbot | nabs the moon and broadsides SunSparc with the sea of tranquility. |
| 18:54.59 | TuxToaster | I still think the collateral damage of doing that would outweigh the benefits... you'd take out a lot more than SunSparc. |
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| 19:25.17 | captbrogers | Sorry DexterTheDragon, I was too busy nearly wetting myself. They made their own media center computer, a small black orb called the Nexus Q that connects with your Google Play account to access any music/movies you purchase or rent |
| 19:25.31 | captbrogers | I think I know what I'll be asking for Christmas this year |
| 19:31.19 | TuxToaster | could be interesting |
| 19:54.51 | mindjuju | you know, i'm not sure about this social aspect |
| 19:55.10 | mindjuju | i don't mean to be weird, but what if you're watching something you don't care for your friends knowing? |
| 19:55.31 | mindjuju | #1 question whilst working at Big Planet ISP, how do i clear history / cache? |
| 19:56.29 | josephscott | what happens in mindjuju's house stays in mindjuju's house |
| 19:56.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:56.41 | TuxToaster | similar issue with netflix actually |
| 19:56.42 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 19:56.49 | TuxToaster | no way to clear viewing history |
| 19:57.08 | josephscott | wait, netflix posts what my kids watch to google+? |
| 19:57.10 | mindjuju | like bing with social comments on your searches, uh, what if you're searching for <ahem>something</ahem> |
| 19:57.13 | josephscott | ;-) |
| 19:57.14 | TuxToaster | luckily it doesn't go out and announce to your friends, but it does show up front and center if you open the app |
| 19:57.26 | TuxToaster | josephscott: not quite |
| 19:57.35 | TuxToaster | though I wouldn't put it past them to start doing that |
| 19:58.05 | mindjuju | plus, with FB and everything else linkedin et al., i think i'm socialed out |
| 19:58.20 | mindjuju | i'd rather go eat lunch with mgeary and talk, then post snarky comments on FB |
| 19:58.24 | tierra | also similar to how news sites' social integrations often post what you're reading without telling you |
| 19:58.35 | mindjuju | spot on tierra |
| 19:58.37 | mindjuju | spot on |
| 19:58.45 | mindjuju | i've seen a lot of apps on FB do that |
| 19:59.20 | TuxToaster | tierra: yup, which is why I refuse to install those apps. If I see a link on FB and click it to read the article, and it comes up with an Install box, I kill it. |
| 19:59.32 | TuxToaster | then I google the title of the link to get to the story. |
| 19:59.38 | mindjuju | any how, i think you're fooling yourself if you think hiding behind a computer screen commenting is "social" |
| 19:59.59 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: fresh air, sunshine, people... what are those again? |
| 20:00.14 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:01.03 | josephscott | I have chrome set so that any FB looks go through incognito mode, so that no sites can post to my timeline just by me visiting them, because I never log into FB outside of incognito mode |
| 20:01.07 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: I would've said that I didn't know what you're talking about, and that I haven't even seen you in a year or two... but then you showed up at UPHPU... |
| 20:01.34 | mindjuju | ah true |
| 20:01.37 | mgeary | mindjuju: amen |
| 20:01.37 | josephscott | mindjuju: update shouldn't take that long |
| 20:01.51 | TuxToaster | that 3.4.1? |
| 20:02.06 | TuxToaster | that's funny.. I'll have to give one of the guys crap here, he just updated it to 3.4 this morning. |
| 20:02.39 | tierra | yeah, though the security notice didn't actually have anything to do with anything new in 3.4 |
| 20:02.47 | tierra | hence the update to 3.3 as well |
| 20:03.13 | josephscott | just updated all my sites, took about 20 seconds |
| 20:03.31 | TuxToaster | josephscott: he was having some... difficulty with SVN. |
| 20:03.55 | josephscott | one click update a better option then? |
| 20:04.39 | TuxToaster | you'd think... not sure why he was having trouble with it. Other setups I've done with WP & SVN have gone smoothly, as long as permissions were correct |
| 20:05.39 | TuxToaster | at SG I would hit it in my local env, do the automatic updates through the admin interface, and then commit and deploy |
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| 20:31.43 | mindjuju | any wifi pros in the house? |
| 20:36.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:36.12 | TuxToaster | what's your q? |
| 20:36.16 | peno | good luck! |
| 20:37.27 | mindjuju | TuxToaster - question about cisco wifi. i've got 2x cisco 526 wifi contorllers and 10x 521 wireless access points. is there a limit to the number of concurrent logged in wifi devices or is my real trouble i need to worry about bandwidth from the WAP to the controller ? |
| 20:38.08 | TuxToaster | wow, how big of an area are you covering? that's crazy. lol |
| 20:38.34 | mindjuju | it's a HUGE building with about 1/10 of it being an office, the rest is warehouse |
| 20:39.11 | TuxToaster | I'm not way familiar with the Cisco firmware on wireless routers, but it's possible that they have a limit set somewhere, though I can't imagine it being very low. |
| 20:39.32 | TuxToaster | especially if those are all operating as one network, since you could potentially have a lot of clients across 10 APs |
| 20:39.34 | mindjuju | i was thinking that, but i've been searching the docs, not finding anything |
| 20:39.45 | peno | there's no set limit on the number of devices that can associate to any given ap |
| 20:40.04 | mindjuju | we've got some 20 wireless devices right now, they want to add 50 more in about 2 months |
| 20:40.07 | TuxToaster | but yeah, you would likely have a bit of a bottleneck in how much bandwidth the AP has to talk to the controller |
| 20:40.11 | mindjuju | that's what i was thinking peno |
| 20:40.36 | mindjuju | yup, that's the prob TuxToaster, or at least needs to be my area of focus, from the AP to the controller |
| 20:40.39 | peno | the bottleneck is really gonna be in the 802.11a/b/g/n itself |
| 20:41.13 | mindjuju | so peno, here is the other side of that, and it scares the crap out of me based on something else you've said in the past |
| 20:41.20 | TuxToaster | that's reasonable... 70 devices... means an avg. of 7 devices per AP, not bad... but you're going to have issues with the bandwidth to the controller as well as just a *lot* of wireless activity going on |
| 20:41.21 | mindjuju | these 50 devices are ipod touches |
| 20:41.23 | peno | uh oh. |
| 20:41.45 | mindjuju | now, from what you've said in the past about bonjour |
| 20:41.46 | TuxToaster | well, one benefit with that is that they may be asleep at random intervals |
| 20:41.57 | peno | oh, well bonjour is stupid in general. |
| 20:42.01 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:42.01 | mindjuju | it just affects network awareness, right |
| 20:42.17 | peno | right |
| 20:42.19 | josephscott | ~karma bonjour |
| 20:42.19 | ibot | bonjour has neutral karma |
| 20:42.45 | mindjuju | so it won't affect things as far as DNS and getting to servers via IP or hostname |
| 20:42.49 | mindjuju | ? |
| 20:42.58 | peno | it doesn't play nice in a routed vlan environment. |
| 20:43.30 | peno | mindjuju: naw, bonjour won't impact that. |
| 20:43.39 | TuxToaster | peno: ah, yeah, because of broadcasts, etc. .. there are some proxies that help |
| 20:43.52 | mindjuju | i wonder what version ipod these are |
| 20:44.01 | TuxToaster | other zeroconf / avahi setups have similar issues |
| 20:44.31 | peno | apple's implementation is worse. :) |
| 20:44.45 | TuxToaster | peno: it often is. |
| 20:44.59 | TuxToaster | e.g. Webkit -> Safari |
| 20:45.20 | TuxToaster | some cool changes (that are proprietary & closed source) and lots of stupid quirks |
| 20:45.30 | mindjuju | so peno, is it possible to have a router south (downstream) from another router and / or (i've been reading about automatic routing protocol) can the switch pick up on where frequently used servers are and just route there? |
| 20:45.51 | peno | possible, yes. |
| 20:45.55 | peno | anything is. :) |
| 20:46.00 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:56.54 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 20:56.55 | raifbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats influx until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with. |
| 20:57.06 | josephscott | need some new lart text |
| 21:00.18 | mindjuju | quick PHP q, about sessions, when does the server automatically clean up inactive sessions? |
| 21:01.08 | josephscott | depends on how PHP is configured |
| 21:01.55 | josephscott | there are so ini settings that control how frequently it does garbage clean up |
| 21:02.21 | mindjuju | i see it, session.gc_probability |
| 21:02.32 | mindjuju | v interest, http://books.google.com/books?id=PVvmMRSGzFEC&pg=PT181&lpg=PT181&dq=when+does+PHP+clean+up+expired+sessions&source=bl&ots=u4CrFjEBTF&sig=MH-3EqEliOuk3ayMEMkWUzPDTj0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=h3TrT8H5Ecj3rAHFoOXeBQ&ved=0CFUQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=when%20does%20PHP%20clean%20up%20expired%20sessions&f=false |
| 21:09.15 | josephscott | $lart TuxToaster |
| 21:09.16 | raifbot | shoves a crumpet down TuxToaster's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?!! |
| 21:10.05 | TuxToaster | ~brick josephscott |
| 21:10.05 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on josephscott and turns josephscott into a brick |
| 21:10.19 | josephscott | $mindtrick TuxToaster |
| 21:10.21 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) TuxToaster he can go about his business. |
| 21:11.10 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/3D3K0h0C3I2M3G0y2A0L |
| 21:11.48 | josephscott | darn right |
| 21:14.26 | romanovic | anyone familiar with manipulating the viewport for a site in iOS? |
| 21:15.04 | romanovic | despite defining an initial scale and maximum scale of 1.0, it scales higher than that when rotated from portrait to landscape |
| 21:16.14 | romanovic | i've been reading a lot of posts on this zoom-on-rotate bug, but setting the maximum scale (or user scalability to no) doesn't seem to be helping |
| 21:18.25 | TuxToaster | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5434656/ipad-layout-scales-up-when-rotating-from-portrait-to-landcape |
| 21:19.20 | TuxToaster | have you run across that one? sounds like if you use JS to adjust it it makes a workaround at least |
| 21:21.37 | mindjuju | hmmm, nexus 7 |
| 21:21.40 | mindjuju | i want |
| 21:22.52 | romanovic | TuxToaster: yeah, ran in to that one, but the javascript he's using is to make it user-scalable and assumes the rotate-zoom bug can already be fixed with the addition of the maximum scale attribute |
| 21:24.56 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 21:24.58 | raifbot | If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death. |
| 21:28.14 | TuxToaster | romanovic: hmm |
| 21:29.30 | TuxToaster | all I'm using on one that I know isn't doing that is <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width; initial-scale=1.0; maximum-scale=1.0; user-scalable=0;"/> |
| 21:29.42 | tierra | really seems like Google is trying to compete more with Amazon Kindle Fire rather than Apple at all |
| 21:29.50 | TuxToaster | I do have some media queries but I don't believe those are on the login page |
| 21:30.33 | mindjuju | tierra, i think you're right on that |
| 21:36.01 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 21:36.02 | raifbot | smacks carmony up side the head with a clue-by-4. |
| 21:37.41 | carmony | $lart TuxToaster |
| 21:37.42 | raifbot | tries to shut TuxToaster up. |
| 21:37.50 | TuxToaster | raifbot: good luck |
| 21:42.40 | josephscott | $8ball did you try hard enough? |
| 21:42.40 | raifbot | josephscott - Cannot predict now. |
| 21:47.43 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 21:48.14 | josephscott | $8ball did you try hard enough? |
| 21:48.14 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 21:48.16 | mindjuju | you know though tierra, between my phone and my laptop, i'm not sure i've got room/purpose to lug a tablet. (phne is droid2, notebook is sony viao (i5) |
| 21:48.48 | mindjuju | course though, maybe i'm just stretching that the nexus would even fill a purpose as opposed to being enthralled by the prospect of something shiny |
| 21:50.54 | tierra | haha, yeah... I've never owned a tablet still because I still haven't figured out a useful enough purpose to validate the $200+ price (besides carrying another device with me everywhere) |
| 21:52.07 | TuxToaster | $8ball should mindjuju get a tablet? |
| 21:52.07 | raifbot | TuxToaster - As I see it, yes. |
| 21:52.13 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:52.16 | josephscott | I could see a tablet being good for around the house use, or in the car for the kids |
| 21:52.20 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about tierra? |
| 21:52.20 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 21:52.23 | tierra | only reason to have one over a phone is video it seems, but even then it's still only useful in the sense of watching video portably, which I just don't do |
| 21:52.26 | josephscott | but I don't see myself carrying one around at this point |
| 21:53.17 | mindjuju | i could see myself reading things like safari books online |
| 21:53.25 | mindjuju | where i hate grabbing the laptop and firing it up |
| 21:53.31 | tierra | well, other reason would be books, but then I can get a traditional kindle that's still better for that (and also, I'm still not a heavy reader) |
| 21:53.41 | mindjuju | i'd buy for sure if i didn't already get sunk with buying school books portably |
| 21:54.13 | mindjuju | buying the online version was a fail, couldn't bring it into the testing center |
| 21:54.26 | tierra | heh |
| 21:54.42 | Bikerdan | Since I got my iPad I use my Macbook Pro about 10% as much as I used to. |
| 21:54.59 | mindjuju | so kindle is better than nexus 7? |
| 21:55.53 | Bikerdan | Same goes for my phone... |
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| 21:56.58 | josephscott | Bikerdan: do you code using the iPad? |
| 21:57.14 | Bikerdan | I have a little. |
| 21:57.22 | tierra | mindjuju: in terms of battery, and easier on the eyes, yes |
| 21:57.39 | Bikerdan | I've been debating buying a text editor specifically for coding on it. |
| 21:57.57 | Bikerdan | That's where the 10% on my Mac comes from. |
| 21:58.07 | tierra | ugh, coding on a tablet |
| 21:58.15 | jsmith | tierra: Yeah, sounds awful to me too |
| 21:58.18 | tierra | watch your productivity go down the drain |
| 21:58.33 | Bikerdan | I use it quite a bit for sshing into servers. |
| 21:59.05 | tierra | that, I could see if you're on the road a lot |
| 21:59.10 | Bikerdan | It's also handy for when I need to remote into my work computer when I'm not around a laptop. |
| 21:59.20 | Bikerdan | Or in bed and the server notifications go off. |
| 22:00.20 | Bikerdan | I sometimes use it to watch Netflix in bed and such. |
| 22:00.58 | Bikerdan | I use it a ton to take notes at work during meetings. |
| 22:01.54 | TuxToaster | I find it handy to be able to make a quick fix from a tablet |
| 22:02.05 | Bikerdan | I've even used it to put together diagrams when designing /architecting software systems. |
| 22:02.24 | tierra | for anyone that cooks a lot, it would be great to setup in the kitchen to watch shows on |
| 22:02.31 | tierra | that's not me either though, heh |
| 22:02.33 | Bikerdan | Or read recipes from. |
| 22:02.46 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 22:03.02 | Bikerdan | It's very handy for taking to conferences too. |
| 22:03.36 | Bikerdan | Even with a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 22:08.21 | Bikerdan | I think I'd be miserable without a tablet now... I'm spoiled. |
| 22:13.23 | mindjuju | jsmith, qq -- why did you go nexus 7 when you could get samsung tab? |
| 22:13.50 | jsmith | mindjuju: Because samsung is *terrible* at updating firmware, but the Nexus devices are better at that |
| 22:14.09 | mindjuju | i was thinking that about it always being able to get latest android update, being google |
| 22:14.09 | jsmith | mindjuju: And besides -- why buy last year's model when you can get the latest/greatest that was just announced today :-) |
| 22:14.16 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:14.19 | tierra | you know who is terrible at that... Sony / Sony Ericsson |
| 22:14.33 | jsmith | tierra: And Motorola, and Samsung, and HTC.... |
| 22:14.47 | mindjuju | seems like i just read sony is going to launch their own app store |
| 22:15.02 | tierra | I think I've read something like that too |
| 22:15.47 | mindjuju | literally the solution posted to website was music > burn to cd > rip to mp3 |
| 22:16.00 | mindjuju | my wife had an mp3 walkman, that's how i know |
| 22:17.13 | josephscott | well, if you like sd slots that would be one reason to avoid the new nexus tablet |
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| 22:23.38 | Bikerdan | Does the Nexus 7 have cameras? |
| 22:24.02 | tierra | front facing... didn't see full camera mentioned |
| 22:24.12 | Bikerdan | Cool. |
| 22:24.24 | tierra | https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_8gb&feature=device-featured#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDIwMiwibnVsbC1mZWF0dXJlZF9kZXZpY2VzX1VTX18yX3Byb21vXzEzNDA1MTg5NjUwMzYiXQ.. |
| 22:24.45 | Bikerdan | My family uses the front facing camera more than the rear. It's quite handy to do facetime with family in Hawaii. |
| 22:25.10 | tierra | yeah, doesn't look like it has another camera |
| 22:25.26 | Bikerdan | For that price they had to cut corners somewhere. |
| 22:25.54 | tierra | always thought a camera on a tablet (back) was pretty ridiculous anyway |
| 22:26.04 | tierra | super awkward pictures |
| 22:26.31 | tierra | forget about candid shots, heh |
| 22:26.42 | Bikerdan | Yeah... I primarily use my phone for pictures. Once in a while, I'll be on the couch, kids playing, and I'll switch on the camera to get a quick vid or something of the kids. |
| 22:27.05 | josephscott | I saw someone recording their kids using the back camera at the local elementary, apparently people use it |
| 22:27.12 | josephscott | which I would not have guessed |
| 22:27.23 | Bikerdan | The funny thing is, they always stop what they're doing when I take pictures with the phone, when I do it with the iPad, they don't know I'm doing it. :) |
| 22:33.36 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:33.55 | TuxToaster | I always thought it looked more like holding a cafateria tray in front of your face |
| 22:39.00 | TuxToaster | alias chucknorrissays='sudo' |
| 22:45.31 | mindjuju | i can see i was wrong about police using drones in the U.S., i think we need more of them and that they should be armed - http://rt.com/usa/news/texas-1000-us-government-906/ |
| 22:46.06 | mindjuju | ...so stupid... |
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