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| 15:50.38 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:50.38 | raifbot | declares captbrogers a moron. |
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| 15:59.05 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 15:59.05 | raifbot | In 1991, Chuck Norris shot a 14 on an 18 hole golf course, falling short of his personal best by 2 strokes. |
| 15:59.51 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 16:00.49 | mindjuju | always a fine day when beandog shows up in #uphpu |
| 16:01.03 | beandog | heh |
| 16:01.05 | beandog | morning |
| 16:01.10 | beandog | how's things |
| 16:01.27 | mindjuju | i forgot why i dislike cisco |
| 16:01.37 | beandog | sounds too much like crisco |
| 16:01.42 | mindjuju | but i remember now |
| 16:04.14 | captbrogers | Speaking of Cisco. What's a good wireless router? I have a WRT54GL and I really like it, but I'm looking to get on N soon |
| 16:04.58 | beandog | captbrogers: dude, hang onto that router for dear life |
| 16:05.07 | beandog | I have one, and it's been trucking for *years* with OpenWRT on it |
| 16:05.29 | beandog | captbrogers: newegg sells routers with tomato(?) oss firmware on it |
| 16:06.08 | captbrogers | It's a great little router, but can't use N. G is fine, but I realized over the weekend that everything I have that uses wireless can support N |
| 16:06.25 | beandog | yah I use a mix of N and G |
| 16:06.38 | beandog | it's fast enough for me, so I've just been leaving well enough alone. :T |
| 16:07.07 | captbrogers | Yeah, but it's not the latest! I have a need to the latest hardware |
| 16:07.14 | beandog | handles streaming video just fine, which actually surprises me |
| 16:07.29 | beandog | captbrogers: yah, next time I upgrade I'm gonna do a gigabit network as well |
| 16:07.30 | Randy_Brown | I'm a fan of my dual-band router that forces all non-N compliant devices onto the weaker band so as not to bog down my faster toys |
| 16:07.41 | beandog | Randy_Brown: you can do that? |
| 16:07.45 | beandog | wow |
| 16:07.47 | beandog | what do you have? |
| 16:08.05 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: I rather liked running a Netgear WDR3300 with DD-WRT on it |
| 16:08.13 | Randy_Brown | the super-duper ridiculously-over-priced-and-under-rated Apple TimeMachine! |
| 16:08.29 | beandog | Randy_Brown: really? We just got one at work ... Hmm |
| 16:08.30 | Randy_Brown | er capsule, or whatever it's called |
| 16:08.50 | beandog | I think we have a mixed environment, too |
| 16:09.03 | TuxToaster | beandog / Randy_Brown - I don't get the point of a Time Machine |
| 16:09.12 | TuxToaster | locally, it'll work with any HD |
| 16:09.12 | captbrogers | Neither to I |
| 16:09.28 | TuxToaster | or you can use it with most network mounted drives as well I think |
| 16:09.29 | beandog | TuxToaster: it just does automatic backups in the background for OS X machines |
| 16:09.30 | Randy_Brown | it's a really over-priced router that I got because I had a big apple gift card |
| 16:09.37 | Randy_Brown | and already had everything else in the apple store |
| 16:09.49 | TuxToaster | beandog: yeah, but that's what I mean, there are ways to do that with more reliable, bigger HDs for cheaper |
| 16:09.51 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 16:10.05 | beandog | TuxToaster: oh I agree, but for the consumer market, it's easy as can be. |
| 16:10.06 | TuxToaster | the Time Machine hardware has a bad history of failures |
| 16:10.10 | TuxToaster | true |
| 16:10.15 | Randy_Brown | though it does have a 500GB HDD built in and a USB port that I plugged a 2TB hdd into so I've got 2.5 GB of NA |
| 16:10.18 | Randy_Brown | NAS* |
| 16:10.25 | TuxToaster | I just use passport drives |
| 16:11.15 | beandog | what's a passport drive |
| 16:11.43 | mindjuju | western digital hdd in enclosure i think |
| 16:12.03 | mindjuju | they sell in 500gb, 1tb and 2tb |
| 16:12.08 | beandog | huh |
| 16:12.24 | beandog | intresting. |
| 16:13.05 | TuxToaster | beandog: just the portable USB drives you can pick up at Walmart or Best Buy |
| 16:13.16 | mindjuju | they used to have this DRM stuff |
| 16:13.24 | Randy_Brown | beandog: http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/how-to-set-up-dual-band-wifi-and-juice-your-downloads/ for setting up your dual band wifi |
| 16:13.25 | mindjuju | that tried to stop you from having mp3, mp4 and stuff |
| 16:13.28 | TuxToaster | yeah I've never used that stuff |
| 16:13.37 | TuxToaster | never have used them on Windows though |
| 16:13.55 | TuxToaster | on nix and OS X they usually just show up as a normal drive |
| 16:14.04 | mindjuju | well, i think they had to take it off and not do it |
| 16:14.17 | mindjuju | who freakin has 1TB of excel files? |
| 16:14.28 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:14.42 | captbrogers | mindjuju: corporate mid-level managers trying to promote synergy |
| 16:14.56 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:15.10 | Randy_Brown | ^ |
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| 16:15.34 | mindjuju | man, i feel like i've got to row backwords up crap creek without a paddle |
| 16:15.53 | ninnypants1 | mindjuju: that's when you walk up the bank ;) |
| 16:15.55 | captbrogers | So it's a Tuesday then? |
| 16:15.57 | mindjuju | not only am i setting up a cisco 1841 that is past EoL, but i'm trying to do so without a service contract |
| 16:16.34 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: that should only be a problem if you're trying to access IOS updates |
| 16:17.19 | Randy_Brown | ninnypants1: Yeah, I also try to avoid swimming, rowing, or otherwise touching feces. |
| 16:17.29 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, k, i quit my whining and keep pressing |
| 16:17.32 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:19.00 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: it takes some getting used to, but luckily most of the IOS commands to set things up are fairly standard. Some routers or IOS versions may have more command sets than others |
| 16:19.52 | ninnypants1 | TuxToaster: you comment brings back bad memories |
| 16:19.54 | TuxToaster | but most of them should work, so you shouldn't need to get into the Cisco support stuff necessarily. I didn't really use it much unless I needed updates |
| 16:21.14 | beandog | Randy_Brown: oh cool, thanks |
| 16:21.57 | TuxToaster | the switch I've got at home is a Linksys-branded one, but it's got what they call lcli, which is basically a low-rev IOS, I prefer using that to a GUI |
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| 16:41.12 | Randy_Brown | I'm so excited for Friday. I'm moving into my new apartment in South Jordan… and getting 40mb/s internet |
| 16:41.25 | beandog | freak |
| 16:41.35 | beandog | that's nice |
| 16:42.34 | Randy_Brown | only 5mb up, so I can't go completely nuts with my VPN, but I ought to still be able to stream movies to my iPad |
| 16:42.38 | Randy_Brown | from wherever |
| 16:43.03 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 16:43.11 | mgeary | Randy_Brown: you *think* you'll be getting 40mb/s |
| 16:43.33 | mindjuju | if he's on utopia, he woudl, at least i haven't heard anybody say they weren't getting crazy speeds |
| 16:43.47 | mindjuju | man, i miss airswitch |
| 16:43.57 | Randy_Brown | mgeary: That's true, but the best I can get at my current home is 1.5 so even at 10% of advertised speed it's still going to be rocking |
| 16:44.08 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:46.57 | captbrogers | I have a sammich |
| 16:47.13 | captbrogers | Thought you'd all like to know that |
| 16:47.22 | mindjuju | captbrogers, what kind? |
| 16:47.37 | captbrogers | Roast beef and cheddar. Not an Arby's one, though |
| 16:48.18 | Randy_Brown | no joke, the best sandwich I've had in months I bought from the Maverick on 39th E |
| 16:48.50 | Randy_Brown | (might have been 33rd, I can't quite remember) |
| 16:48.50 | captbrogers | I got mine from the grocery store, along with some Pineapple soda |
| 16:49.17 | beandog | pineapple soda? |
| 16:49.18 | beandog | eww |
| 16:49.26 | captbrogers | The most delicious soda in the world |
| 16:49.26 | Randy_Brown | beandog: You haven't lived |
| 16:49.29 | Randy_Brown | it's SO good |
| 16:49.37 | captbrogers | I think we should vote on banishing beandog |
| 16:49.41 | Randy_Brown | ^ |
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| 16:50.04 | mindjuju | where be TuxToaster and his fine dining at Vivint with Chef Emeril |
| 16:50.06 | captbrogers | I have a love affair with Pineapples. My wife knows and allows it. |
| 16:50.07 | beandog | I don't like the flavor |
| 16:50.23 | mindjuju | i roasted pineapples at last bbq |
| 16:50.25 | mindjuju | people loved |
| 16:50.49 | Randy_Brown | ok, on a more serious note: How many times to I have to unsub from TechRepublic before they stop sending me junk mail? |
| 16:51.01 | captbrogers | Exactly. Grill it, put it on a burger with swiss cheese, lettuce and Hawaiian-style teriyaki sauce |
| 16:51.26 | captbrogers | Randy_Brown, once they have you they never let go. They are like a creepy ex-girlfriend |
| 16:51.27 | Bikerdan | Can't do the sweet burgers.... |
| 16:51.31 | Bikerdan | Just not right. |
| 16:51.45 | captbrogers | I can't do tomatoes on burgers, doesn't taste right |
| 16:51.54 | Randy_Brown | I was afraid of that |
| 16:52.22 | Bikerdan | Can't do tomatoes on burgers? |
| 16:52.30 | captbrogers | Nope |
| 16:52.34 | Bikerdan | You do meat right? |
| 16:52.39 | Bikerdan | And buns? |
| 16:52.45 | mgeary | indeed. mindjuju well knows that tomatoes are not a condiment |
| 16:52.58 | captbrogers | Very much of the meat, buns, cheese, pickles, onions, lettuce, sauces |
| 16:53.13 | Bikerdan | But no tomatoes? Why? |
| 16:53.16 | mindjuju | tomatoes are an accessory, i let people dress up my burgers as they please |
| 16:53.33 | mindjuju | just the same way i cook spanish food |
| 16:53.37 | captbrogers | But I threatened, only half jokingly, that if the girl at Sonic put a tomato on my sandwich one more time I would turn into the Joker on her |
| 16:53.50 | mindjuju | i give it a mild spicy and let people add spicy to taste |
| 16:54.28 | Bikerdan | I do that as well. And also with salt. |
| 16:54.38 | mindjuju | yup on the salt |
| 16:54.40 | Bikerdan | My mom loves to salt the crap out of everything. |
| 16:55.01 | captbrogers | Bikerdan, partially the texture of the tomato but also the taste. To my palate they just don't mix at all |
| 16:55.13 | Bikerdan | She's actually pretty good at stopping before it's too salty, but some people wouldn't like i.t |
| 16:57.10 | mindjuju | different tomatos for different purposes, i wonder if you should try another |
| 16:57.18 | mindjuju | oh wait, it's a texture issue, not taste |
| 16:57.18 | mindjuju | nm |
| 16:57.28 | captbrogers | A little of both, but more of the texture |
| 16:57.34 | Bikerdan | Various tomatoes have different textures.... |
| 16:57.35 | captbrogers | I just can't do it for some reason |
| 16:57.37 | Bikerdan | Maybe he should. |
| 16:58.08 | mindjuju | as long as you eat pickles with your burger, you're fine in my book captbrogers |
| 16:58.14 | captbrogers | I do |
| 16:58.15 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 16:58.18 | captbrogers | Not every time, but I do |
| 16:58.35 | captbrogers | I sometimes like to deep fry the onions and use BBQ sauce |
| 16:58.49 | mindjuju | hmm, never tried that |
| 16:58.49 | Bikerdan | Ok.. Poll... Favorite burger in Utah Valley... 3.... 2.... 1.... GO! |
| 16:59.00 | captbrogers | Rumbi "Big Kahuna" burger |
| 16:59.05 | Bikerdan | Too Sweet |
| 16:59.12 | mindjuju | 5guys is pretty good |
| 16:59.14 | Bikerdan | For me anyway... :) |
| 16:59.42 | mindjuju | just cant get a decent spicy hamburger around here though |
| 16:59.47 | Bikerdan | Anyone like JCW's? |
| 17:00.03 | mindjuju | jcw's is good |
| 17:00.07 | Bikerdan | Describe decent spicy hamburger |
| 17:00.15 | captbrogers | mindjuju: it's like the Western Bacon Cheeseburger from Carl's Jr. But I do it at home so there is no filler in the meat and a little "fresher" ingredients. As fresh as you can get with deep frying food |
| 17:00.25 | captbrogers | JCW's is good |
| 17:00.44 | captbrogers | But I didn't find anything about them that made it stand out |
| 17:00.53 | Bikerdan | I almost always seem to get the Bacon Ranch burger. |
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| 17:01.11 | Bikerdan | Which burger did you try capt? |
| 17:01.28 | captbrogers | To be honest, I can't remember |
| 17:01.40 | Bikerdan | Then you chose the wrong burger. |
| 17:01.46 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 17:02.07 | captbrogers | I remember it being a good burger, just nothing about it made me want to go back another time |
| 17:02.09 | Bikerdan | I'm actually kinda surprised it didn't stand out to you. |
| 17:03.05 | Bikerdan | Maybe it's cause you didn't have tomato on it. ;) |
| 17:03.07 | captbrogers | Knowing my tastes, I probably got the Hawaiian Burger |
| 17:03.15 | mindjuju | it's been a while since i've had great thick cut cod fish and chips with (...vinegar...) |
| 17:03.27 | Bikerdan | Mmmm |
| 17:03.37 | Bikerdan | JCW's has that too. |
| 17:03.38 | captbrogers | Been to Smashburger |
| 17:03.41 | Bikerdan | Yep |
| 17:03.44 | Bikerdan | Once. |
| 17:03.47 | Bikerdan | It was really tood. |
| 17:03.49 | Bikerdan | good |
| 17:03.49 | Bikerdan | . |
| 17:04.00 | mindjuju | Bikerdan, can't say that word vinegar too loud around m-g-e-a-r-y |
| 17:04.10 | mindjuju | he only washes his windows with vinegar, he no like on food |
| 17:04.29 | Bikerdan | Even malt vinegar? |
| 17:04.34 | Bikerdan | Soo good on fish. |
| 17:04.36 | captbrogers | It has it's uses with cooking, but it burns the inside of my nose something fiece |
| 17:04.41 | captbrogers | fierce |
| 17:04.47 | Bikerdan | You're not supposed to sniff it. |
| 17:04.49 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 17:04.56 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm not a big fan of tabasco, too vinegary |
| 17:05.03 | captbrogers | When I boil some of it for asian sauces, it just burns |
| 17:05.12 | Bikerdan | Yeah |
| 17:05.15 | mindjuju | i like the soft punch of cholula |
| 17:05.17 | mindjuju | great flavor |
| 17:05.23 | Bikerdan | I agree. |
| 17:05.28 | mindjuju | tapatio for stronger needs |
| 17:05.33 | Bikerdan | I like tobasco on hashbrowns... |
| 17:05.40 | Bikerdan | WIth Ketchup |
| 17:05.46 | mindjuju | cholula is crazy good on hash |
| 17:06.03 | Bikerdan | We always have tapatio in our fridge. |
| 17:06.05 | mindjuju | i've lost my taste for ketchup, i use cholula for a replace ment, with fries, everything |
| 17:06.20 | Bikerdan | I used to work at a place where we made pizzas for the school districts around here... |
| 17:06.21 | captbrogers | I always have a bottle of liquid smoke in my fridge |
| 17:06.35 | Bikerdan | A couple of ladies that worked there put tapatio on their pizza all the time. I got addicted. |
| 17:06.43 | mindjuju | yup, that is crazy good |
| 17:07.18 | Bikerdan | captbrogers: What are you using liquid smoke on? |
| 17:07.30 | captbrogers | Anything my wife lets me put it on |
| 17:07.37 | captbrogers | Mostly on meats |
| 17:07.56 | stderr | I use liquid smoke in most of my bbq sauces and some of the homemade hot sauces I make. It's good stuff. |
| 17:08.00 | Bikerdan | mindjuju: JCWs always has Chalula on their condiment bar. |
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| 17:08.20 | Bikerdan | Cholula |
| 17:08.35 | mindjuju | i still need to try that bbq buffalo wing receipe you posted stderr |
| 17:08.40 | mindjuju | that looked good from the pics you posted |
| 17:08.51 | Bikerdan | Is it lunch time yet? |
| 17:09.20 | stderr | I'm smoking some ribs tonight, I've perfected a Carolina style bbq sauce I've been working on, goes perfect with spare ribs |
| 17:10.04 | captbrogers | I get to smoke some ribs when I finally get to move in to the house I am buying |
| 17:10.47 | stderr | the secret to smoking ribs is the dry rub and ensuring it's on the ribs for over 24 hours before you smoke |
| 17:11.00 | stderr | and letting the ribs get to room temperature before you throw them on the rib racks |
| 17:11.35 | captbrogers | I usually only did a few hours but I will remember that |
| 17:12.17 | stderr | not long enough for the dry rub to absorb all the moisture, at least for spare ribs. Babyback you can get away with 4-5 hours. |
| 17:12.36 | captbrogers | I usually did pork spare ribs |
| 17:12.37 | Bikerdan | First set of ribs I did was way too smoky... They smoke pretty fast. So you have to be careful. |
| 17:13.13 | captbrogers | The first time I smoked ribs they turned out pretty well. Took me 7 hours of smoking them to get the color and bark I wanted |
| 17:13.20 | stderr | Bikerdan: I usually smoke mine for about 2 1/2 hours on racks |
| 17:13.30 | stderr | indirect charcoal flame, soaked hickory chips |
| 17:13.33 | Bikerdan | 7 hours of smoking? |
| 17:13.40 | captbrogers | Oh yes, low and slow |
| 17:13.52 | Bikerdan | 2 1/2 is about right. |
| 17:13.53 | captbrogers | They were moist and very good |
| 17:13.55 | Bikerdan | For me anyway. |
| 17:14.06 | stderr | 7 hours sounds pretty ridiculous |
| 17:14.07 | captbrogers | What temp do you smoke at? |
| 17:14.13 | Bikerdan | What temp stderr? |
| 17:14.31 | Bikerdan | Somewhere around 200. |
| 17:14.45 | stderr | yea, around 225-250 |
| 17:15.07 | Bikerdan | How much wood are you using captbrogers? |
| 17:15.21 | captbrogers | That's usually what I do, but I also don't use a real smoker. I use a smaller grill |
| 17:15.36 | captbrogers | I mostly use coal, then soak a bunch of chips for about 30 min then throw those in |
| 17:15.54 | stderr | soak em for hour, hour and a half |
| 17:16.05 | stderr | with salt water |
| 17:16.10 | Bikerdan | ? |
| 17:16.17 | captbrogers | Hmm, I'll have to try that too |
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| 17:17.09 | stderr | salt water helps inundate the chips and adds a bit of a flavor to the smoke. they also smoke longer. |
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| 17:17.22 | stderr | I use sea salt |
| 17:18.04 | stderr | I grill a LOT. Probably about 3, 4 days out of the week, even during the winter. |
| 17:18.06 | Bikerdan | Interesting. |
| 17:18.11 | Bikerdan | Nice. |
| 17:18.18 | Bikerdan | What kind of grill / smoker? |
| 17:18.23 | stderr | so I experiment a lot |
| 17:18.48 | captbrogers | I would love to grill that often, don't have the money to do it though |
| 17:19.03 | stderr | Bikerdan: let me find it. |
| 17:19.07 | Bikerdan | k |
| 17:21.01 | beandog | !seen fungus |
| 17:21.08 | beandog | ~seen fungus |
| 17:21.11 | ibot | fungus <~olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 3d 18h 49m 14s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
| 17:21.36 | stderr | it's a model kinda like this, but it's bigger http://www.target.com/p/char-broil-smoker-barrel-grill-black-27-5/-/A-12965582?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C12965582&CPNG=patio%20garden&ci_sku=12965582&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw= |
| 17:22.08 | stderr | I'm not too picky on the grill / smoker itself |
| 17:22.16 | beandog | I have a weird networking issue -- initial ssh connection takes a while to establish (approx 45 seconds), but once I'm connected, there's no network latency. My first guess would be some funky firewall. |
| 17:22.28 | beandog | *firewall setting |
| 17:22.34 | stderr | DNS? |
| 17:22.35 | Bikerdan | Do you have the smoker attachment? http://www.target.com/p/smoker-box-black-12/-/A-12965583?reco=Rec|pdp|12965583|ClickCP|item_page.adjacency&lnk=Rec|pdp|ClickCP|item_page.adjacency |
| 17:23.23 | stderr | nope |
| 17:23.31 | beandog | stderr: no, dns is good |
| 17:23.41 | beandog | hangs on: debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic |
| 17:23.51 | captbrogers | This is the one I have: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kingsford-784-sq-inch-Charcoal-Grill-Black/15907742 |
| 17:24.03 | beandog | never noticed that before actually |
| 17:24.33 | stderr | beandog: add this to your .ssh/config GSSAPIAuthentication no |
| 17:25.03 | beandog | \o/ |
| 17:25.07 | beandog | thank you, stderr ! |
| 17:25.11 | stderr | np |
| 17:25.14 | beandog | ~stderr++ |
| 17:26.18 | Bikerdan | stderr: We used to use one like this where I grew up in Texas. http://cwoca.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/barrelbbq.jpg |
| 17:27.32 | stderr | hah. that's similar to what I learned to smoke on when I was in Afghanistan. |
| 17:27.34 | beandog | wow that is awesome, Bikerdan |
| 17:28.08 | Bikerdan | I was great. I miss it. |
| 17:28.53 | Bikerdan | ours had a smoke stack and a side door to be able to remove ash and stuff. |
| 17:29.07 | Bikerdan | I wasn't great... It was great. :) |
| 17:29.32 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: was in a meeting |
| 17:30.55 | captbrogers | I would love to have a large barrel like that, but I want it to be an upright with hooks to hang things from. |
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| 18:13.28 | mindjuju | captbrogers , i have one like that, but no stand, so it's just on the ground |
| 18:13.33 | mindjuju | i need to make something |
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| 18:26.02 | TuxToaster | ~roulette |
| 18:26.02 | ibot | ACTION watches tuxtoaster pull the trigger: Click! |
| 18:26.49 | captbrogers | $chuck-fact |
| 18:26.49 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. |
| 18:27.00 | Bikerdan | limh |
| 18:27.38 | captbrogers | I'm pretty sure that's what causes a star to explode |
| 18:28.05 | TuxToaster | if I had to guess... http://cl.ly/2h0R1y101J0Z0G3k0t1N |
| 18:28.20 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: touché |
| 18:28.24 | Randy_Brown | (but if he's so fast, can't he dodge the punch?) |
| 18:28.42 | TuxToaster | that's the thing... he could... but then he would loose |
| 18:28.44 | TuxToaster | or would he win |
| 18:30.42 | captbrogers | Win or be the opposite of tight? |
| 18:30.57 | TuxToaster | ouch |
| 18:30.58 | TuxToaster | lose |
| 18:31.01 | mindjuju | i wonder how hatch is doing |
| 18:31.21 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: time to batten down the Hatches? :P |
| 18:31.23 | beandog | http://www.stpaulksw.com/blog/wp-content/images/chuck-norris-action-jeans-1.jpg |
| 18:31.25 | captbrogers | I need to go vote, haven't done that yet |
| 18:32.17 | mindjuju | well, i hear i can attend the democrats events, but i'm not traditionally a democrat, so don't want to muck up their stuff |
| 18:33.06 | mindjuju | beandog, are the pants stuck in tha position? bowlegged? |
| 18:35.54 | mindjuju | rofl - http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/06/25/fireworks-tent-blows-up-along-route-30/ |
| 18:37.15 | beandog | thats great |
| 18:37.26 | mindjuju | every kid's dream |
| 18:39.50 | beandog | WHY does my computer keep using swap when there's ram available? |
| 18:39.51 | beandog | rawr |
| 18:43.09 | Randy_Brown | do you have dedicated VRAM or shared? |
| 18:54.10 | beandog | well its on my desktop |
| 18:54.13 | beandog | so I guess |
| 18:54.14 | beandog | uh |
| 18:54.19 | beandog | dedicated |
| 18:54.20 | beandog | ? |
| 18:54.23 | beandog | I think |
| 19:00.48 | Randy_Brown | do you have a separate graphics card or is it integrated into the mb? |
| 19:02.00 | Randy_Brown | if it's integrated there's a good chance that it's shared. In that case, it doesn't matter how much RAM you have, your graphics card may still need to use swap. (Someone who know's what they are talking about can feel free to set me straight if I'm out of line here). |
| 19:06.14 | mindjuju | peno, you around? |
| 19:06.59 | peno | yo |
| 19:07.28 | mindjuju | i'm here on page 26 step 3, i've just typed in enable > configure terminal and now i need to tell the router what to do using the CLI, but my instructions don't mention cli commands, do you know of a reference somewhere? |
| 19:07.31 | mindjuju | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/access/1800/1841/software/configuration/guide/b_setup.pdf |
| 19:08.45 | TuxToaster | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-06-26/ lol |
| 19:08.53 | peno | well, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:09.08 | peno | there's a lot of references, it just depends on where you're going next |
| 19:09.29 | Randy_Brown | TuxToaster: That was amazing |
| 19:09.30 | mindjuju | so on this cisco 1841, i was wanting to tell it to be a router and to route, beyond that i haven't given it much more thought |
| 19:09.45 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: by the way, if you're not familiar with the CLI, most commands can be shortened... so conf term == configure terminal |
| 19:09.47 | TuxToaster | en == enable |
| 19:09.49 | TuxToaster | etc. |
| 19:10.06 | TuxToaster | it's not uncommon to see a mix of them, they mean the same thing |
| 19:10.06 | peno | conf t is shorter |
| 19:10.10 | peno | :) |
| 19:10.43 | TuxToaster | it is shorter, but at least term tells you what you'e configuring :P |
| 19:10.56 | peno | psh |
| 19:11.41 | mindjuju | i guess the first thing i need to do is save the running-config as the startup-config |
| 19:15.06 | mindjuju | well alright got that done |
| 19:16.58 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:17.29 | TuxToaster | and fwiw, you can think of "enable" as "su" ... basically it enables privilege mode so that you can configure the router |
| 19:19.33 | TuxToaster | http://pages.swcp.com/~jgentry/topo/cisco.htm this has some good common commands and such for reference, though I've always typed "end" instead of using ctrl+z like they do |
| 19:20.20 | mindjuju | ooh! a list of commands |
| 19:31.14 | mindjuju | so TuxToaster, this link you sent says this : The main reason for using the command-line interface instead of a menu driven interface is speed. |
| 19:31.26 | mindjuju | is there a menu driven and where do i go to see it, or do i not want to use it? |
| 19:32.21 | TuxToaster | it depends on the router as well as the IOS version, some have a GUI available |
| 19:32.31 | TuxToaster | but ideally the CLI is better |
| 19:32.58 | peno | cisco's menu systems historically have been lackluster |
| 19:33.09 | TuxToaster | it takes some getting used to, but once you get familiar with it you can jump in and make one off changes easily. |
| 19:33.16 | TuxToaster | plus it's great on your resumé :-) |
| 19:33.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:41.27 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:41.27 | raifbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats veonik until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with. |
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| 21:32.10 | Bikerdan | Looking for ideas... We are getting tight on space here in our IT department. We need a temporary solution to optimize workspace. Right now we are in cubicles where our space averages about 6 * 6. What other solutions are out there? What are you guys doing? |
| 21:33.16 | Bikerdan | Our sales department has moved to rows of glass desks with no dividers at all. (Which would drive me nuts.) It seems like that would get loud and distracting. But they really like it. |
| 21:33.43 | tierra | fire some employees ;) |
| 21:35.14 | macnewbold | Bikerdan: telecommute? |
| 21:35.38 | macnewbold | or lan-party-style: banquet tables with laptops/monitors on them... |
| 21:35.50 | macnewbold | depends how "temporary" it really will be... |
| 21:36.08 | macnewbold | though if it lasts too long, you'll just lose employees and solve it that way ;) |
| 21:36.54 | Bikerdan | That's my worry... Temporary can sometimes be longer than expected. |
| 21:36.58 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Are you conference rooms filled up? |
| 21:37.17 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I've been in several situations where we'd move a small team (semi-permanently) into a conference room. |
| 21:37.21 | Bikerdan | We have a couple of different conference rooms but we really need those. |
| 21:37.28 | jsmith | :-/ |
| 21:37.30 | Bikerdan | That's a good idea though. |
| 21:37.37 | macnewbold | ooh i've got one… get rid of the sales department! |
| 21:37.38 | Bikerdan | Something I'll definitely think about. |
| 21:37.41 | macnewbold | good |
| 21:37.42 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 21:37.42 | jsmith | It tends to help those teams work together better. |
| 21:38.28 | Bikerdan | One problem with the smaller desks is that every developer has 3 monitors and they don't fit very well on small desks. |
| 21:39.11 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Another suggestion, if you can get away with it, is to have more people telecommute |
| 21:39.47 | Bikerdan | Yeah... I've suggested that. We work so tightly together I'm not sure it would work well. At least for me. |
| 21:40.12 | Bikerdan | Maybe I'd get more work done thought. :) |
| 21:40.16 | Bikerdan | THough. |
| 21:40.54 | Bikerdan | What are you guys' current seating arrangements like? |
| 21:41.15 | DexterTheDragon | at the moment, kitchen table |
| 21:42.33 | tierra | I'm actually on folding table in a hallway right now coincidentally |
| 21:42.49 | tierra | Bikerdan: did you fill up hallways yet? |
| 21:42.54 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 21:43.00 | peno | have my own office. :) |
| 21:43.02 | Bikerdan | We could start down that road. |
| 21:43.46 | tierra | jsmith: obviously the meeting this morning kept me from staying home today :/ |
| 21:44.01 | Bikerdan | A few years ago I had to sit at a folding table. It was one of those plastic ones. |
| 21:44.19 | Bikerdan | I kept shocking myself with static electricity. |
| 21:44.28 | Bikerdan | And kicking my shins into the table legs. |
| 21:44.33 | tierra | heh, this one is plastic, but I haven't had that problem |
| 21:45.23 | jsmith | tierra: Then work from home tomorrow :-) |
| 21:45.44 | tierra | that was actually my plan |
| 21:45.58 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Yeah, I'm making tierra sit at a folding table in the hallway, while we're re-arranging offices to put three or four developers to an office. |
| 21:46.19 | jsmith | Bikerdan: And letting him telecommute a couple of days a week :-) |
| 21:46.32 | Bikerdan | That's awfully nice of you jsmith. |
| 21:46.41 | jsmith | Well, you know... |
| 21:47.11 | tierra | it is very considerate :) |
| 21:47.32 | Bikerdan | We're running out of space like crazy. |
| 21:48.14 | Bikerdan | We've doubled our employee count in the last few months so we're scrambling to find the space. Our recruiter is in a closet. :) |
| 21:50.23 | tierra | crazy |
| 22:03.12 | Bikerdan | Yeah... We had 3 people. Now we have 6! |
| 22:03.20 | Bikerdan | Just kidding. |
| 22:03.34 | Bikerdan | We went from ~60 to ~120. |
| 22:03.40 | TuxToaster | thought you were going to say you went from 1 to 2 |
| 22:03.44 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:11.50 | mgeary | hmm |
| 22:14.12 | mgeary | env variables, maybe? |
| 22:15.32 | TuxToaster | could be |
| 22:15.43 | TuxToaster | assuming your cron is set to run as root |
| 22:15.47 | mgeary | is |
| 22:16.11 | TuxToaster | is it a bash script? or PHP? |
| 22:16.31 | mgeary | okay, look, first of all, it's something i inherited. I DIDN'T WRITE IT |
| 22:16.35 | mgeary | it's PHP |
| 22:17.42 | mgeary | it's a CakePHP script that runs via cron |
| 22:17.57 | mgeary | but the piece that is failing is actually escaping out to the shell |
| 22:18.38 | TuxToaster | oi. Was just going to say you could do a phpinfo and compare the environment variables... but when it comes to Cake, I believe there is a wrapper that is usually used for cron scripts |
| 22:18.59 | TuxToaster | though I'd think it would need that to run it directly as well |
| 22:21.24 | mgeary | weird thing is, all paths, including to the executable, are absolute |
| 22:22.00 | mgeary | and in checking my env as root, there's nothing interesting there |
| 22:25.18 | TuxToaster | is it set up to run cakeshell? or is it directly calling the php file? |
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| 22:36.37 | Monnok | if you ever manage to somehow lose your server's ssl private key, you are hosed and have to request a new cert, dont you? |
| 22:36.53 | Monnok | wasnt me, for the record |
| 22:37.06 | Monnok | well, the second part is |
| 22:39.17 | TuxToaster | who's the cert hosted with? |
| 22:39.27 | TuxToaster | many providers let you re-key the certificate |
| 22:39.39 | Monnok | trustico |
| 22:40.27 | TuxToaster | weird just how many resellers there are of certs |
| 22:41.54 | TuxToaster | I don't see anything on a quick google, but they should have some option to re-key the cert in the same place where you download it |
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| 22:46.00 | tierra | heh, a long time ago, around the time of that debian weak keys vulnerability, I went to re-key a bad cert unfortunately a cheap POS through GoDaddy... GoDaddy told me I didn't need to do that when I got half way through, their system told me I needed to renew for another year or whatever, and I called them to complain (since it was partially their problem too) |
| 22:46.51 | tierra | I'm like "are you joking? of course I need to re-key it!" |
| 22:47.36 | tierra | they went along and fixed my renewal problem anyway since I had already gone too far to turn around, but he still insisted that I shouldn't have done it |
| 22:47.51 | TuxToaster | weird. We had decent luck with them |
| 22:48.01 | tierra | this was years ago |
| 22:48.45 | TuxToaster | I've used GoDaddy for SSL for a while (and recommended it to clients) because you could just google "godaddy ssl" and use the sponsored links to get a cert for $12.95 |
| 22:48.45 | tierra | I don't think the guy had been briefed on the issue yet either... I called either day 1 or 2 of the vulneralbility being announced |
| 22:49.12 | TuxToaster | yeah, I could see that, their phone reps usually have 0 clue |
| 22:49.55 | TuxToaster | now you can rekey the cert easily online |
| 22:50.09 | tierra | yeah, I've seen that since |
| 22:50.56 | TuxToaster | thing I don't like about GoDaddy is that they can't stop changing their control panels. it's ridiculous k how often they redesign things and how different various areas of the site are from each other |
| 22:56.56 | Monnok | found the area to rekey the cert, it also happened to have copies of the .key, .csr, .crt, and .ca |
| 22:57.23 | Monnok | amazingly, i put those where they ought to be on my server and we are back in business |
| 22:57.35 | Monnok | ~trustico++ |
| 22:57.44 | Monnok | oh and... |
| 22:57.55 | Monnok | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 22:58.06 | Monnok | was a good tip to look into |
| 22:58.28 | TuxToaster | sounds like it must have been easy to do with them |
| 22:59.11 | Monnok | yeah, and the end of a long info about your account page, it has the stuff in input boxes |
| 22:59.21 | Monnok | textarea |
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