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| 01:16.55 | peno | less qq, more pew pew |
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| 01:17.08 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 01:17.08 | raifbot | nabs the moon and broadsides utahcon with the sea of tranquility. |
| 01:25.55 | SunSparc | ~pew pew |
| 01:58.46 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 14:44.34 | mindjuju | ~peno++ |
| 14:44.49 | mindjuju | that's got to be my favorite internet saying |
| 14:45.45 | mindjuju | well, besides, i'm in ur base killin ur doods |
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| 15:22.46 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:22.46 | raifbot | stuffs bradym into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it. |
| 15:24.04 | josephscott | $lart TuxToaster |
| 15:24.05 | raifbot | executes killall -TERM TuxToaster. |
| 15:24.15 | TuxToaster | $lart josephscott |
| 15:24.16 | raifbot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses josephscott down. |
| 15:24.27 | josephscott | $mindtrick TuxToaster |
| 15:24.27 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) TuxToaster move along. |
| 15:24.35 | jnbek|wc | lol |
| 15:24.55 | TuxToaster | ~roulette josephscott |
| 15:24.55 | ibot | ACTION watches josephscott pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 15:25.25 | mindjuju | i can't help but remember the Deer Hunter (movie) every time y'all do that |
| 15:25.47 | josephscott | $rm TuxToaster |
| 15:25.47 | raifbot | opens /dev/null and eliminates TuxToaster forever. |
| 15:25.51 | mindjuju | play russian roulette, i mean |
| 15:26.11 | TuxToaster | $fsck josephscott |
| 15:26.21 | TuxToaster | $shutdown josephscott |
| 15:26.23 | TuxToaster | meh. |
| 15:26.59 | TuxToaster | ~off josephscott |
| 15:26.59 | ibot | ACTION Pushes josephscott into the path of an oncoming vehicle and blames Bikerdan |
| 15:28.32 | josephscott | $help |
| 15:28.32 | raifbot | josephscott help is at http://raifbot.wordpress.com/ |
| 15:28.53 | josephscott | $rot13 TuxToaster |
| 15:28.53 | raifbot | josephscott - rot13( 'TuxToaster' ) : GhkGbnfgre |
| 15:30.19 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:30.50 | TuxToaster | $suggest josephscott |
| 15:30.50 | raifbot | TuxToaster suggestions for 'josephscott' : joseph scott, joseph scott pilgrim, joseph scott smith, joseph scott homes, joseph scott salon, joseph scott obituary, joseph scotti, joseph scott artist, joseph scott mit, joseph scotto |
| 15:31.01 | josephscott | $suggest TuxToaster |
| 15:31.01 | raifbot | josephscott sorry, couldn't find any suggestions |
| 15:31.09 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:31.56 | TuxToaster | $die |
| 15:31.56 | raifbot | executes killall -HUP TuxToaster. |
| 15:32.00 | TuxToaster | DOH |
| 15:32.14 | TuxToaster | I thought "self-inflicts" meant it did it to itself. |
| 15:32.23 | josephscott | $save TuxToaster |
| 15:32.24 | raifbot | runs into a burning building and saves TuxToaster from certain death. Is that enough? |
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| 15:34.23 | TuxToaster | *cue the Zelda sound when a fairy you've been keeping in a bottle rescues you at the last minute* |
| 15:37.28 | mindjuju | very funny commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew4Y5HLyT6c |
| 15:37.44 | mindjuju | you'll have to do a bit of reading |
| 15:38.00 | mindjuju | it's ok josephscott, this one is normal |
| 15:38.05 | mindjuju | (if you still trust me) |
| 15:39.00 | josephscott | ahh, the wheel-less car |
| 15:39.06 | josephscott | I have seen that one, pretty cool |
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| 15:39.15 | mindjuju | you still trust me! |
| 15:41.44 | mastergunns | I can't believe how long I've been missing all the fun in here! |
| 15:42.11 | mindjuju | ~welcome mastergunns who sneaked in here quietly yesterday |
| 15:42.11 | ibot | Good to see you, mastergunns who sneaked in here quietly yesterday! |
| 15:42.28 | mindjuju | saw ya come in, but was leaving for a meet |
| 15:42.35 | mahelious | mindjuju: an april fools gag? |
| 15:42.54 | mindjuju | was it? i just thought it was a funny commercial |
| 15:43.04 | mindjuju | like the speed bump one |
| 15:43.13 | mastergunns | hey mindjuju, yeah finally at a place where I have irc again :) |
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| 15:44.23 | herlo | mastergunns: yo! |
| 15:44.28 | herlo | good to see you here |
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| 15:45.29 | josephscott | mastergunns: not in the downtown office any more? |
| 15:45.30 | mastergunns | herlo: hey my friend, good to be back. are we having fun? |
| 15:45.57 | mastergunns | josephscott: spending most of my time in Riverton for the past few weeks. |
| 15:46.01 | herlo | mastergunns: well, I just usually watch these guys chatter a lot. I wish I had more time to chat here as well :) |
| 15:46.21 | mastergunns | herlo: yeah me too. it keeps me smiling |
| 15:46.50 | herlo | mastergunns: work work work work work.... |
| 15:52.20 | mastergunns | herlo: keep on trucking then |
| 15:53.03 | herlo | will do. hope things are going well for you as well, sir. :) |
| 15:59.53 | josephscott | for those that are really serious about vim: https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch |
| 16:01.41 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 16:02.06 | herlo | josephscott: wow, that *is* serious |
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| 16:06.14 | mindjuju | josephscott / herlo , i bet you could use Wine to set the footswitch |
| 16:06.26 | mindjuju | mahelious - here is speed bump commercial, mgeary can prolly translate for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ltHtYE496Y |
| 16:09.11 | herlo | mindjuju: I doubt it as wine really doesn't have direct access to drivers for very many things. It's hard to get it to pass data to the usb bus from what I've read. |
| 16:09.28 | mindjuju | oh :( |
| 16:11.18 | mindjuju | k, no more distractions, i'm reading up on network topography theory , thx to oreilly |
| 16:12.08 | herlo | lol |
| 16:12.26 | peno | conspiracy theory |
| 16:12.35 | mgeary | "what are you doing there, gisella?" |
| 16:12.50 | mgeary | "hey, the camera is already running. Come here!" |
| 16:12.58 | mgeary | "come!" |
| 16:13.05 | mindjuju | awesome! german commercial translated ! |
| 16:13.12 | mgeary | "okay, wait a sec. wait" |
| 16:13.20 | mgeary | "now you'll see" |
| 16:13.39 | mgeary | "now we'll see. They're not going to come through here any more" |
| 16:13.55 | mgeary | "oh, jeeze, Gisella, not on the flowers. Over here!" |
| 16:14.04 | mgeary | "here. like this" |
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| 16:14.15 | mgeary | "he's coming now. He's coming" |
| 16:14.28 | mgeary | "give me the camera" |
| 16:14.49 | TuxToaster | out of context (I havent seen the video)... this is very strange. |
| 16:14.50 | mgeary | "young man, young man, young man" |
| 16:15.19 | mindjuju | TuxToaster - here is vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ltHtYE496Y |
| 16:15.19 | mgeary | "do you have a better do-it-yourself project?" |
| 16:15.36 | mgeary | that's pretty much it |
| 16:15.47 | mindjuju | that's awesome, thx mgeary! |
| 16:16.49 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: thought you were reading up on networks... :P |
| 16:17.16 | mindjuju | i was until like 10 seconds ago ;) |
| 16:17.24 | herlo | lol |
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| 16:26.26 | herlo | http://gizmodo.com/5919811/the-photographic-tricks-that-make-mcdonalds-burgers-look-good |
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| 16:38.50 | jsmith | herlo: If you're going to go there, read this: http://www.rense.com/general7/whyy.htm |
| 16:41.07 | herlo | jsmith: yeah, read that before :) |
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| 17:00.41 | josephscott | $rlart |
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| 17:41.41 | TuxToaster | can I just say, I feel bad for the rest of you that don't get to eat in the Vivint café daily. |
| 17:42.09 | mindjuju | vivint cafe have buffalo wings? |
| 17:42.19 | TuxToaster | sometimes. |
| 17:42.31 | mindjuju | sometimes i'm sad that i don't eat at vivint ;) |
| 17:42.35 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:43.24 | TuxToaster | how about braised beef brisket, red potatoes with sour cream & parsley, and cabbage and carrots? |
| 17:44.40 | mindjuju | i prefer Jetton's method of brisket prep |
| 17:46.15 | TuxToaster | " For atmosphere Jetton suggested going to a fine restaurant, carefully observing the atmosphere there and then doing the opposite. " |
| 17:46.16 | mindjuju | i guess that's about the same though |
| 17:46.16 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:46.33 | mindjuju | brb |
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| 17:47.57 | jsmith | TuxToaster: I just had corn on the cob (from the farmers market), tomatoes (from the farmer's market), cucumbers (from the garden), carrots (from the garden), broccoli (from the farmer's market), and cole slaw (made from cabbage from the garden) |
| 17:48.08 | jsmith | TuxToaster: Does that work? |
| 17:49.05 | TuxToaster | jsmith: lol |
| 17:49.39 | TuxToaster | provided by bluehost? or brought from home? |
| 17:50.16 | ninnypants | I'm sure that in a way some of it was provided by bluehost ;) |
| 17:50.22 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:50.35 | jsmith | TuxToaster: Provided by my own blood, sweat, and tears :-p |
| 17:50.52 | TuxToaster | jsmith: still, sounds like a good lunch |
| 17:51.18 | jsmith | TuxToaster: That being said, I get free food every day in the office if I want it |
| 17:52.23 | TuxToaster | free food is a wonderful thing |
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| 17:53.26 | ninnypants | mindjuju: how long until you build your smoke house? |
| 18:11.13 | jsmith | ninnypants: Doesn't matter -- he's only going to do beef brisket and hot links :-( |
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| 18:19.25 | ninnypants | jsmith: he'll probably do chicken and ribs as well |
| 18:19.44 | jsmith | ninnypants: I don't think he will -- he's a beef brisket man, not a ribs man |
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| 18:32.10 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 18:33.35 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm thinking we're going to build a smoke pit |
| 18:37.23 | mindjuju | really?? |
| 18:37.27 | mindjuju | that'd be awesome! |
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| 18:41.18 | ninnypants | yeah should be simple to make just some concrete, a few poles and a metal cover |
| 18:41.48 | ninnypants | then the dirt from the hole can be used to cover it when you're smoking |
| 18:42.12 | mindjuju | yeah, the more i think of it, the more i want to put something in |
| 18:42.30 | mindjuju | we don't have grass in our backyard, just scrub, so it's no loss to me |
| 18:42.51 | mindjuju | but i might use cinderblocks because I want to be able to break it down if / when we move in case new homeowner wants grass |
| 18:43.06 | ninnypants | would make sense |
| 18:43.20 | ninnypants | would be easier than pouring concrete as well |
| 18:44.11 | mindjuju | the only thing i really need is to figure out airflow |
| 18:44.28 | ninnypants | you don't need any with the pit |
| 18:44.46 | ninnypants | they have a giant one in my home town that they cook all the food for some big events in |
| 18:45.43 | ninnypants | they start a fire then let it burn down, set all the meat and potatoes in hanging in chain link on some poles, put a metal cover over top and cover that with dirt |
| 18:45.57 | ninnypants | then they just let it sit over night |
| 18:46.09 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 18:46.13 | mindjuju | that sounds awesome |
| 18:46.33 | ninnypants | yeah it's super good |
| 18:46.57 | ninnypants | though it may be a little harder to do meat out in the open in the pit though |
| 18:47.07 | ninnypants | they always wrap it in tinfoil |
| 18:55.08 | mindjuju | jsmith, did ya'll ever hire the wp guy you were looking for? |
| 18:56.21 | ninnypants | mindjuju: he has tierra working on WP core right now |
| 18:56.31 | jsmith | mindjuju: Hired one, but I'm still looking for another. |
| 18:56.31 | ninnypants | I think he's looking for another though |
| 18:56.43 | beandog | supernovia knows wp in and out |
| 18:56.56 | mindjuju | oh, i was going to say, ninnypants you still going to SLCWP meet up? maybe take jsmith's message to them |
| 18:57.12 | mindjuju | maybe somebody there is looking |
| 18:57.13 | ninnypants | oh I've let them know a few times |
| 18:57.17 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 18:57.22 | jsmith | Thanks ninnypants :-) |
| 18:57.38 | ninnypants | but most our members either have their own company or are new users |
| 18:58.43 | ninnypants | tierra: awesome |
| 18:59.10 | ninnypants | we still don't have a topic for this month... but I have a potential presenter lined up |
| 18:59.17 | tierra | ninnypants: actually, to clarify, are you talking about WordCamp, or a different, more regular meetup? |
| 18:59.28 | tierra | oh, yeah, that's not WordCamp |
| 18:59.42 | tierra | link me to some info |
| 18:59.50 | ninnypants | tierra: yeah I'm talking about WPSLC |
| 18:59.54 | mindjuju | so ninnypants, are you driving that group? |
| 18:59.59 | ninnypants | http://wpslc.com |
| 19:00.07 | ninnypants | mindjuju: me and Dustin Nay |
| 19:00.09 | mindjuju | oh sorry, that's it, wpslc, i got the letters transposed |
| 19:00.47 | ninnypants | mindjuju: no difference really :) |
| 19:02.45 | tierra | Dustin Nay... hmm, name sounds familiar |
| 19:04.05 | ninnypants | tierra: he's been at a couple WordCamps and works at SEO.com now |
| 19:05.33 | tierra | oh, huh... he's one of my little brother's good friends |
| 19:05.38 | mindjuju | fungus, you around? |
| 19:05.41 | tierra | rol |
| 19:06.09 | mindjuju | or tierra, you prolly know |
| 19:06.15 | mindjuju | i'm wondering about DHCP |
| 19:07.13 | tierra | beyond configuring a client for it? heh |
| 19:07.20 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:07.43 | mindjuju | specifically, how a compute requests IP info from the DHCP server, my question is, How does the computer know what IP address the DHCP server is to get the info, from what i've read, i think it doesn't know the DHCP server IP, and it's using a protocol from a lower level |
| 19:07.56 | mindjuju | still kinda messy in my head, but i think i'm understanding |
| 19:08.42 | mindjuju | i know the DHCP is on a lower level of the OSI model |
| 19:09.15 | tierra | I think in 100% of situations I've seen, it has always been the same as the gateway address, but to be honest, I'm not sure that isn't just coincidental |
| 19:09.47 | TuxToaster | the DHCP server can be separate from the gateway |
| 19:10.02 | mindjuju | inour case, DHCP is different from gateway |
| 19:10.09 | mindjuju | herlo, you around? |
| 19:10.34 | mindjuju | actually, i'm eading now that DHCP is in the app layer, so it's not lower than tcp/ip |
| 19:10.37 | TuxToaster | the client does a broadcast and any server physically reachable from the client will respond with a lease, then the client can negotiate with that server to confirm the lease |
| 19:11.14 | tierra | ninnypants: since the meetups aren't a solid date, is there a calendar feed somewhere? |
| 19:11.15 | TuxToaster | it's a TCP/IP broadcast |
| 19:11.33 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, are you reading from somewhere? |
| 19:11.37 | mindjuju | or is that memory? |
| 19:12.00 | TuxToaster | memory, though there should be some good info on it on Wikipedia as well |
| 19:12.04 | ninnypants | tierra: it should be on wpslc.com then next one is on the 27th |
| 19:12.49 | TuxToaster | it's entirely possible though to have a DHCP server reside on 192.168.2.50 and your gateway be 192.168.2.3 |
| 19:13.08 | TuxToaster | as long as the DHCP info given to the client specifies that 2.3 is the gateway it'll work great |
| 19:13.26 | mindjuju | so TuxToaster, the reason this is coming up is that i'm expanding the network to a /20 network from /24 |
| 19:13.30 | TuxToaster | but commonly they're the same device, be it a router, modem or a server that's sharing a connection |
| 19:13.35 | ninnypants | tierra: I wish they were more consistent but so far we've had trouble finding a location and a night where more than 5 or so of us that are always there will come |
| 19:13.58 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: ok |
| 19:13.59 | mindjuju | where the gateway and the DHCP will be in the 192.168.0.x range, and the clients will prolly be in 192.168.5.x range |
| 19:14.15 | mindjuju | so i'm just trying to get it firm in my head |
| 19:14.36 | TuxToaster | as long as they're physically reachable it should work |
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| 19:15.16 | TuxToaster | your server would just give out a 5.x address with a subnet mask that matches /20 (can't think of that one off the top of my head atm) and then you're good. |
| 19:15.21 | tierra | ninnypants: you guys should fix up this calendar: http://wpslc.com/events/ |
| 19:15.35 | mindjuju | 255.255.240.0 |
| 19:15.40 | tierra | ninnypants: ah |
| 19:15.55 | TuxToaster | main key is that the broadcast has to be able to reach the server, so if it's working now in a /24 you shouldn't have to worry |
| 19:16.03 | mindjuju | k |
| 19:16.03 | tierra | I'm sure that's why WordCamps everywhere are only once per year, heh |
| 19:16.05 | mindjuju | thx TuxToaster |
| 19:16.34 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:17.42 | ninnypants | tierra: yeah site definitely needs more love |
| 19:18.07 | ninnypants | I need to take a weekend and plow through getting stuff together |
| 19:18.55 | TuxToaster | (FWIW, one issue you might have is if you're doing any kind of VLAN switching, but even then it should be fine if you're not making physical changes as much as just expanding the subnet) |
| 19:20.45 | mindjuju | funny you say that TuxToaster, i am going to setup VLANs, but that is going to be built on the work i'm doing now, setting up domain controllers, etc |
| 19:20.54 | fungus | mindjuju, don't fixate on address ranges like that. |
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| 19:21.18 | fungus | if your subnet mask is /20 then your network range is /20. There isn't anything special about /24 |
| 19:22.57 | TuxToaster | fungus: assuming you're meaning don't set it so clients are in 5.x, while servers are in 1.x, etc.? |
| 19:24.04 | TuxToaster | I mean, obviously there's nothing saying that any node on the network can't have any address within the /20, but for logical groupings it's sometimes nice to know that all basic workstations are in the 5.x range, while all management might be in a different range, etc. |
| 19:24.10 | mindjuju | well, i just wanted to understand though, how does the laptop know the dhcp server is at 192.168.0.1. /24 or /20 . how does laptop know it's not in the 10.0.200.x range ? but like TuxToaster was saying and i see it now in the RFC (page 10) that there is a broadcast |
| 19:25.20 | fungus | Yeah, if you implement ranges, it's only administrative, it's not network ranges. |
| 19:25.31 | fungus | mindjuju, Tux was right, it's broadcast |
| 19:25.48 | fungus | Client sends DHCPDISCOVER broadcast packet to the whole subnet. |
| 19:26.26 | fungus | Any DHCP server on the subnet can respond to the broadcast directly to the client with a DHCPOFFER |
| 19:26.53 | fungus | Which is why multiple dhcp servers on a single subnet can be problematic. |
| 19:27.19 | fungus | "can be", meaning, unless properly configured. |
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| 19:28.43 | TuxToaster | which, by the way, is a really good way to annoy a network admin that you don't like. |
| 19:28.54 | fungus | ~lart TuxToaster |
| 19:28.54 | ibot | --purges TuxToaster |
| 19:28.55 | TuxToaster | random DHCP server on the network that doesn't belong. |
| 19:28.59 | TuxToaster | fungus: lol |
| 19:29.02 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 19:29.30 | TuxToaster | fungus: I do say that from the position of having to *find* said box, and yes, it was a really good way to annoy me. |
| 19:29.32 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 19:30.01 | fungus | Yeah, I have too, really pissed me off the first time. |
| 19:30.12 | fungus | After that I knew the trick and found it much faster. |
| 19:30.31 | mindjuju | would it manifest as a bunch of IP conflicts? |
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| 19:30.54 | fungus | Depends on how they are configured. |
| 19:30.54 | TuxToaster | for the offensive, I preferred less troublesome things like putting a Linksys WET-11 in some random obscure outlet and broadcasting wireless signals with funny names. |
| 19:31.05 | fungus | Could manifest as the wrong address getting assigned. |
| 19:31.08 | TuxToaster | might bug someone, but isn't likely to cause problems |
| 19:31.11 | mindjuju | ah gotcha |
| 19:32.00 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: could also result in two clients getting assigned an IP as the second server wouldn't realize that the first one had an active lease for that IP already |
| 19:32.47 | fungus | yup, that happens too |
| 19:33.07 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm here now |
| 19:35.44 | fungus | mindjuju, are you sure you want a subnet that big? /20 is huge >4k hosts |
| 19:36.17 | mindjuju | fungus, i saw that on the CIDR calculator |
| 19:36.22 | mindjuju | it's herlo's fault!!!1 |
| 19:36.27 | TuxToaster | fungus: he's got to have a lot of power for the distributed YouTube streaming |
| 19:36.33 | mindjuju | he told me his network topography |
| 19:36.35 | mindjuju | it was HUGE! |
| 19:36.39 | mindjuju | i picked smaller |
| 19:36.53 | mindjuju | i picked /20 |
| 19:37.01 | fungus | Do you need that many? |
| 19:37.19 | fungus | If you do, have you considered splitting it into multiple separate subnets |
| 19:37.34 | peno | +1 to multiple subnets |
| 19:37.46 | mindjuju | not really, i was hoping to organize servers into 192.168.0.x and so on |
| 19:38.03 | mindjuju | is not good idea? |
| 19:38.22 | fungus | segregating servers from desktops is good. |
| 19:38.34 | peno | as long as they're not on the same subnet |
| 19:38.39 | mindjuju | so here is the whole plan |
| 19:38.42 | fungus | but only by logical manual numbering, it doesn't mean a thing. |
| 19:38.55 | fungus | Actually split the subnets |
| 19:39.13 | mindjuju | split via VLAN ok? |
| 19:39.18 | fungus | sure |
| 19:40.52 | fungus | eg: 192.168.0.0/24 for servers 192.168.1.0/24 for accounting, 192.168.2.0/24 for IS/IT, etc |
| 19:41.01 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: it does mean that you'd need a DHCP server on each subnet |
| 19:41.11 | fungus | Not necessarily |
| 19:41.22 | TuxToaster | either separate servers or you can have one with multiple interfaces |
| 19:41.29 | fungus | Not necessarily |
| 19:41.33 | TuxToaster | or relay |
| 19:41.41 | fungus | if your router supports DHCP relay or "ip helper" it's cake |
| 19:41.59 | peno | ip helper is your friend in that case. |
| 19:42.04 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:42.21 | mindjuju | what if i'm segmenting via VLAN |
| 19:42.26 | mindjuju | will that offer DHCP relay? |
| 19:42.28 | peno | same |
| 19:42.28 | fungus | same thing |
| 19:42.35 | mindjuju | k |
| 19:42.39 | mindjuju | i'll see if it offers it |
| 19:42.43 | fungus | You still need a router to route between the VLANs |
| 19:43.34 | peno | doesn't have to be a fancy rooter, either. you can accomplish with the lunucks |
| 19:43.34 | fungus | yup |
| 19:43.52 | peno | but if you have a rooter, use it. |
| 19:45.35 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:45.36 | raifbot | cuts off veonik's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper. |
| 19:46.05 | veonik | ehh like GoT |
| 19:46.19 | veonik | when whats his bucket doesn't cleave off the guys head the first try |
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| 19:57.27 | ninnypants | I love that his own men beat him up after that speach |
| 19:57.47 | mindjuju | ninnypants? |
| 19:59.37 | ninnypants | veonik mentioned Game of Thrones and the guy that didn't cut the other's head off first try also gave a big speech thinking they were going into battle then his own men knocked him out and left |
| 20:00.27 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:00.32 | mindjuju | haven't seen game of thrones |
| 20:06.28 | herlo | mindjuju: what? Oh, you so should! great show! |
| 20:06.43 | herlo | ninnypants: that made me laugh |
| 20:07.02 | mindjuju | hey herlo |
| 20:07.20 | mindjuju | i was just saying how you had several subnets for servers an a few for this and that |
| 20:07.37 | herlo | they said something like 'man, we were waiting for you to do that', he responded with 'it was a very good speech' :) |
| 20:07.46 | herlo | mindjuju: I do? |
| 20:07.52 | mindjuju | i thought you did |
| 20:07.54 | herlo | mindjuju: I used to, but not so much anymore |
| 20:08.01 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:08.03 | herlo | that was when I worked at backcountry |
| 20:08.16 | mindjuju | so any way, i seem to have found my way back to needing a router |
| 20:08.18 | mindjuju | :( |
| 20:08.25 | mindjuju | i was hoping to do it all with vlan |
| 20:09.12 | peno | you can segment out with flat vlan's, but if they need to communicate with each other, you need a rooter |
| 20:09.15 | herlo | mindjuju: talk with a networking expert then |
| 20:09.30 | peno | funny. :) |
| 20:09.36 | herlo | and runs away |
| 20:10.12 | mindjuju | peno 's rep preceedes him |
| 20:10.32 | peno | uh oh... |
| 20:10.54 | mindjuju | so peno, i'm trying to RTFM before I get told to RTFM |
| 20:10.58 | mindjuju | and the RFCs too |
| 20:11.11 | peno | TFM is over rated. |
| 20:11.36 | mindjuju | so i'm just trying to get this square in my head |
| 20:11.57 | PoeticIntensity | argh... |
| 20:12.13 | mindjuju | i've got a handful of managed switches (dells 2724 powerswitch) (keeping in mind what you told me at UTOSC 2012 about trying not to mix switches) |
| 20:12.23 | mindjuju | or at least making sure that the communicate similiarly |
| 20:12.46 | peno | it's a bit of a myth/sales ploy about not mixing. |
| 20:13.01 | peno | but, anyways. :) |
| 20:13.24 | mindjuju | so, what i REALLY need to do is expand the network, currently we are a /24 and i was looking to go to /20 |
| 20:13.44 | peno | are you out of ip's? |
| 20:13.49 | mindjuju | and as always, i'm on a tight budget |
| 20:13.59 | mindjuju | peno, yup, were at 10% left |
| 20:14.05 | mindjuju | and come august, we'll be out for sure |
| 20:14.52 | mindjuju | so i was hoping to use the subnet 255.255.240.0 to widen the subnet |
| 20:15.11 | peno | it's plausible |
| 20:15.21 | peno | but then you're going to have that many devices all chattering |
| 20:15.41 | peno | and if you've got voip phones, you'll eventually regret it |
| 20:16.12 | mindjuju | makes sense, network congestion |
| 20:16.36 | mindjuju | so then from what herlo / fungus said, vlan to segment traffic off |
| 20:16.44 | TuxToaster | yes, VoIP can be very picky |
| 20:16.54 | josephscott | $lart VOIP |
| 20:16.55 | raifbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks VOIP over. |
| 20:17.18 | TuxToaster | ideally I'd even prefer VoIP to be physically separated, but that's not always feasable |
| 20:17.23 | peno | imnho, you'd be better off stuffing a router in and do vlan routing. |
| 20:17.26 | mindjuju | i can segment the CSRs (about 40 computers), and segment off warehouse (about 30 wireless devices), segment off the devs and special groups (about 20 comps), etc |
| 20:17.32 | jsmith | josephscott: It's not that VoIP is picky -- it's that people abuse their networks, and VoIP just happens to be the canary in the coal mine |
| 20:17.59 | TuxToaster | jsmith: true |
| 20:18.05 | peno | the shop i'm at originally had a a /16 for everything. |
| 20:18.06 | jsmith | josephscott: You'd be surprised what people try doing with their networks, and never realize it's a bad idea until they run a low-latency application like VoIP |
| 20:18.16 | peno | phones, servers, desktops... |
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| 20:18.38 | mindjuju | so peno, what kind of router did you use in your case? |
| 20:19.00 | TuxToaster | but it can be picky in the sense that it's difficult to get it to work properly with things like NAT and routing and avoid one way audio. :-) |
| 20:19.07 | TuxToaster | though it's better now than it used to be |
| 20:19.08 | peno | cisco 7206vxr, but I also have a 500 meg internet drop. |
| 20:20.26 | fungus | mindjuju, if your existing router can't do VLANs or doesn't have enough interfaces, you have two more choices. |
| 20:20.28 | peno | that is blank |
| 20:20.35 | fungus | Build a linux box for routing |
| 20:20.41 | fungus | or buy another router. |
| 20:20.53 | mindjuju | i was just kidding peno |
| 20:20.57 | herlo | fungus: build a BSD box for routing with pfsense :) |
| 20:21.02 | peno | I've done dot1q routing with a linux box, works fairly well. |
| 20:21.02 | fungus | Don't bother w/ a Cisco 7206vxr, way too much for you mindjuju |
| 20:21.07 | TuxToaster | ~herlo++ |
| 20:21.13 | mindjuju | i can route with pfsense? |
| 20:21.17 | herlo | yes |
| 20:21.26 | mindjuju | i've got a pfsense at home, i <3 pfsense |
| 20:21.56 | herlo | it's nice and all, but you really should have a better router than cheap network cards and a cpu |
| 20:22.09 | peno | mindjuju: look at say a cisco 1921 |
| 20:22.24 | TuxToaster | well, depends on the budget... many simple routers are nothing more than that |
| 20:22.28 | peno | depending on what your internet connect is, may fit the need. |
| 20:22.33 | herlo | mindjuju: if you have an internet connection and an internal connection with which you are sending through pfsense, you *are* routing. Though not complex routing. |
| 20:22.33 | TuxToaster | though a Cisco is a better choice if you can get one |
| 20:23.18 | mindjuju | so the vlan the switch offers, still needs some kind of routing on top of it? |
| 20:23.21 | mindjuju | i'm confused by that |
| 20:23.28 | peno | yeah |
| 20:23.51 | peno | if you're wanting the vlans to talk to each other |
| 20:24.03 | peno | or go out to the leaky tubes |
| 20:24.56 | fungus | mindjuju, vlans are just a virtual way to segregate the physical layer. |
| 20:25.19 | fungus | You still need to use a router to connect the physical layers (even if they are virtual via vlans) |
| 20:27.07 | mindjuju | so something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833120492&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA |
| 20:27.15 | mindjuju | would only be good for 2 subnets, right? |
| 20:27.36 | peno | it'll handle more subnets |
| 20:27.43 | peno | it has two physical interfaces built in |
| 20:27.59 | peno | ethernet interfaces, that is. |
| 20:29.20 | fungus | mindjuju, like your switches, most routers support vlans too |
| 20:29.36 | fungus | eg, run your trunk from the switch to the router, and configure the router for each vlan. |
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| 20:36.30 | mindjuju | so peno, i spoke to herlo about this, he's mentioned that the device is EoL, but i have a cisco 1841, i wonder if i can use this for this year, and put into budget the 1921 for next ? |
| 20:37.21 | mindjuju | or failing that, i do see from pfsense that it can handle higher througput, as long as it has the underlying hardware http://www.pfsense.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=49 |
| 20:39.31 | peno | mindjuju: sure, an 1841 will work. |
| 20:40.09 | peno | mindjuju: I actually used one at utosc the first year it was at slcc in sandy |
| 20:41.07 | peno | for all of the vendor tables |
| 20:41.35 | mindjuju | k, i've got 2. Nobody in the company knows how we got them, they were in the server room when i got here, so i know nothing of the state of things, but i've got a little time on a cisco pix, so i'm familiar with getting into the console to poke around |
| 20:42.13 | mindjuju | are you of the same opinion with herlo, no on pfsense in production for routing purposes? |
| 20:42.15 | peno | i think the config is still on this one, actually. |
| 20:43.00 | peno | i haven't used pfsense in a production enviro |
| 20:43.33 | peno | with that, i probably wouldn't use it if you have a rooter that's available. |
| 20:46.35 | peno | from what you've described, it'd probably be a simple config. |
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| 20:48.26 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: my thought on pfsense is it's fine if it's all you've got. I've used it in production at smaller offices without any problems |
| 20:48.39 | TuxToaster | but if you've got actual hardware routers, put them to use |
| 20:49.21 | TuxToaster | $8ball should mindjuju use the 1841's? |
| 20:49.22 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 20:49.34 | TuxToaster | raifbot: you're supposed to say yes, definitely. |
| 20:49.36 | TuxToaster | $8ball should mindjuju use the 1841's? |
| 20:49.38 | raifbot | TuxToaster - My sources say no. |
| 20:51.34 | mgeary | anyone here have experience with symfony? |
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| 21:51.58 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 21:51.58 | raifbot | "The only thing we have to fear is Chuck Norris himself." - Franklin D. Roosevelt |
| 22:00.57 | beandog | github++ |
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| 22:23.23 | TuxToaster | ~karma github |
| 22:23.23 | ibot | github has karma of 3 |
| 22:23.28 | TuxToaster | ~github++ |
| 22:25.09 | TuxToaster | better karma to offset Linus' hatred |
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| 22:30.11 | josephscott | ~karma linus |
| 22:30.11 | ibot | linus has neutral karma |
| 22:31.18 | mindjuju_ | i keep forgeting that when ever i plan time to work on projects, i need to triple my estimate for working with cisco devices, i don't know a darn thing about cisco and it kicks my butt every time |
| 22:31.20 | supernovia | heyo |
| 22:31.35 | mindjuju_ | mayo? |
| 22:31.41 | supernovia | are we having php fundamentals at all tonight, carmony? |
| 22:31.44 | TuxToaster | supernovia: dayo? |
| 22:31.51 | supernovia | Daaayyyyo |
| 22:32.06 | supernovia | oh… carmony isn't here. |
| 22:32.45 | mindjuju_ | no dayo, no tally man to tally me banannannanna |
| 22:33.07 | TuxToaster | I don't think a fundamentals was planned though |
| 22:33.17 | mindjuju_ | i've always had a prob remembering where to stop on the annaana of banana |
| 22:37.11 | supernovia | Me too, mindjuju_. Especially when I'm trying to spell it |
| 22:37.35 | supernovia | She is a good programmer but is brand new to PHP |
| 22:38.12 | supernovia | And… I won't be the only girl! :) |
| 22:38.38 | mindjuju_ | wait, you programmed a girl to come to UPHPU? |
| 22:38.49 | mindjuju_ | 14supernovia has a new programming coming to UPHPU01 |
| 22:38.55 | mindjuju_ | ? |
| 22:39.03 | mindjuju_ | ;) |
| 22:39.21 | mindjuju_ | i'm tired of the cisco 1841, i want to shoot it now |
| 22:39.30 | supernovia | Oh! A new programmer. Goodness. |
| 22:39.37 | supernovia | You'd think I was typing on a cellphone .. :/ |
| 22:40.07 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:40.14 | supernovia | And yeah I totally programmed her to come to UPHPU. Resistance is futile, said i. |
| 22:40.23 | TuxToaster | that easy, eh? |
| 22:40.28 | supernovia | Just like that. |
| 22:41.03 | supernovia | Actually she was asking about work she could do while she was in school and I told her PHP would open doors for her. |
| 22:41.14 | TuxToaster | tell my kid to clean his room, follow it with resistance is futile, and hope for the best |
| 22:41.19 | supernovia | since so many site platforms use it and since so many site owners need help |
| 22:41.31 | TuxToaster | this is true |
| 22:41.53 | TuxToaster | what other languages does she know? |
| 22:42.06 | mindjuju_ | not to speak to the contrary, supernovia, but i've foudn that keys open doors faster than PHP |
| 22:42.08 | supernovia | a bunch of .net stuff I think and java |
| 22:42.20 | supernovia | mindjuju_: you are a wise man |
| 22:42.27 | TuxToaster | mindjuju_: sledgehammers and axes? |
| 22:42.39 | mindjuju_ | steel door v sledgehammer |
| 22:42.48 | mindjuju_ | ears be ringing from here to Christmas |
| 22:43.01 | mindjuju_ | k, no more distractions! |
| 22:43.01 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:43.19 | TuxToaster | mindjuju_: you keep saying that sentence. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 22:43.31 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:43.39 | supernovia | alright, I gotta go back to working on stuffs too |
| 22:44.22 | SunSparc | mindjuju_: you have a timemachine? |
| 22:44.31 | mindjuju_ | ? |
| 22:44.42 | SunSparc | Working in 1841. |
| 22:44.44 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 22:44.49 | mindjuju_ | oh :) |
| 22:44.50 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: Cisco 1841 |
| 22:45.29 | SunSparc | Wow, Cisco makes TimeMachines now? Cool. Did you order it off the Internet? |
| 22:46.16 | beandog | http://canitbesaturdaynow.com/images/fpics/53/canitbesaturdaynow__(35).png |
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| 22:46.54 | SunSparc | beandog: that could be a time machine :) |
| 22:47.17 | beandog | the only way we'll know is by waiting for the future |
| 22:48.08 | TuxToaster | beandog: that's a bit awkward |
| 22:48.30 | beandog | TuxToaster: why, is that you? |
| 22:48.35 | TuxToaster | lol no |
| 22:48.42 | beandog | lies! |
| 22:48.58 | TuxToaster | my lightsabers wouldn't be that color |
| 22:49.01 | TuxToaster | err... I mean |
| 22:49.29 | beandog | lol |
| 22:49.46 | TuxToaster | almost have to wonder if the fan hanging there would actually make the vibrating sound of a light saber as it moved |
| 22:50.08 | beandog | lol |
| 22:50.09 | TuxToaster | assuming it were spinning, of course... but then you wouldn't want it that close to your face |
| 22:50.11 | beandog | in your head |
| 22:50.16 | beandog | man those things HURT |
| 22:50.21 | beandog | if you get something stuck in there |
| 22:50.29 | TuxToaster | ow |
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| 22:54.50 | beandog | Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#17) |
| 22:54.57 | TuxToaster | carmony: supernovia wanted to know if you were planning on covering any PHP fundamentals in your presentation, she's bringing a friend that is new to PHP |
| 22:55.17 | TuxToaster | ~compile beandog |
| 22:55.17 | ibot | ACTION runs gcc -o beandog.o on beandog |
| 22:55.22 | beandog | lol |
| 22:55.45 | TuxToaster | ~zImage beandog |
| 22:55.49 | TuxToaster | ~boot beandog |
| 22:55.49 | ibot | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across beandog to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts beandog out to where he belongs! |
| 22:55.56 | beandog | lol whut |
| 22:55.58 | TuxToaster | ibot: not that kind of boot |
| 22:56.07 | supernovia | lol |
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| 22:59.55 | TuxToaster | ~grub beandog |
| 23:00.06 | TuxToaster | well, at least it didn't try to eat you. |
| 23:08.09 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:08.10 | raifbot | slaps bitsmart upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
| 23:08.21 | TuxToaster | what is it with whales named hugh? |
| 23:08.26 | TuxToaster | what about bob, or fred? |
| 23:08.38 | TuxToaster | talk about leaving other whales out of the fun... |
| 23:09.01 | beandog | what did we name our fern? |
| 23:09.18 | beandog | ~tunafart TuxToaster |
| 23:09.18 | ibot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to TuxToaster, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 23:11.15 | mindjuju_ | sup beandog |
| 23:11.17 | TuxToaster | ~porkchop beandog |
| 23:11.17 | ibot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to beandog Eat up! |
| 23:11.46 | beandog | mindjuju_: nadar |
| 23:11.50 | TuxToaster | ibot: no, porkchop is smacks $1 on the forehead |
| 23:11.50 | ibot | TuxToaster: okay |
| 23:11.53 | TuxToaster | ~porkchop beandog |
| 23:11.53 | ibot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to beandog Eat up! |
| 23:11.57 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 23:12.02 | TuxToaster | ibot: you are stubborn |
| 23:12.02 | ibot | TuxToaster: what are you talking about? |
| 23:12.07 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:12.14 | mindjuju_ | TuxToaster, porkchop is a command, not a factoid |
| 23:12.35 | TuxToaster | I thought you could change them the same way |
| 23:12.50 | mindjuju_ | and about 20 others |
| 23:12.59 | TuxToaster | oh, in that case |
| 23:13.04 | TuxToaster | ~porkchop mindjuju_ |
| 23:13.04 | ibot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to mindjuju_ Eat up! |
| 23:13.11 | mindjuju_ | ~nyuk TuxToaster |
| 23:13.11 | ibot | ACTION grabs TuxToaster nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 23:13.11 | TuxToaster | no idea where you get spitting on it from. lol |
| 23:13.12 | beandog | ~nosepick mindjuju_ |
| 23:13.12 | ibot | ACTION plucks mindjuju_ out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 23:13.32 | mindjuju_ | ~frenchassault TuxToaster |
| 23:13.33 | ibot | ACTION summons the french taunter! TuxToaster is an English bedwetting type! TuxToaster, I burst my pimples at you... You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 23:13.48 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 23:13.57 | TuxToaster | ~macattack mindjuju_ |
| 23:13.57 | ibot | ACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire mindjuju_'s car! |
| 23:14.01 | mindjuju_ | that one has a randomizer in it |
| 23:14.08 | mindjuju_ | ~frenchassault TuxToaster |
| 23:14.08 | ibot | ACTION summons the french taunter! TuxToaster, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 23:14.16 | beandog | I think I've only programmed two |
| 23:14.17 | TuxToaster | ~oreilly mindjuju_ |
| 23:14.18 | ibot | ACTION releases bill o'reilly from his basement cell! Sic 'em boy! mindjuju_ is left in tatters... |
| 23:14.19 | beandog | ~ponycorn mindjuju_ |
| 23:14.39 | TuxToaster | and with that, I'm headed out |
| 23:15.07 | TuxToaster | see whoever's going to the meeting... at the meeting :P |
| 23:15.08 | beandog | ~fling TuxToaster |
| 23:15.08 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at TuxToaster |
| 23:15.20 | TuxToaster | ~roulette beandog |
| 23:15.20 | ibot | ACTION watches beandog pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:15.34 | beandog | buh |
| 23:15.43 | mindjuju_ | nothing like a hit and run |
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| 23:17.09 | beandog | carmony: is there gonna be cookies? |
| 23:17.47 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o mindjuju] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.48 | carmony | beandog: no cookies that I know of :P |
| 23:26.35 | mgeary | cookie |
| 23:26.45 | beandog | fudge? |
| 23:26.53 | mindjuju | ~cookie |
| 23:26.54 | beandog | take your heatheness plant devil cookies with you! |
| 23:26.55 | mgeary | they're delicious |
| 23:26.57 | beandog | er |
| 23:26.57 | beandog | mint |
| 23:26.59 | beandog | ~mint-- |
| 23:27.06 | mgeary | ~give beandog a cookie |
| 23:27.06 | ibot | ACTION gives beandog a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 23:27.16 | mgeary | psh. mint's awesome |
| 23:27.30 | beandog | wtc |
| 23:27.37 | beandog | how do you STOP MySQL from being a master for replication |
| 23:27.59 | ninnypants | beandog: any suggestions for a video editor? I need to slice some small clips out of a video, but don't need anything too giant |
| 23:28.11 | beandog | ninnypants: avidemux |
| 23:28.19 | beandog | perfect for small jobs |
| 23:28.30 | beandog | or kdenlive? |
| 23:28.32 | beandog | I think thats the name |
| 23:28.51 | ninnypants | will it handle mp4? |
| 23:29.19 | beandog | yah |
| 23:29.52 | ninnypants | tried the one the vlc people are making but it's too young and crashes a bunch |
| 23:30.27 | beandog | which one is that? |
| 23:32.10 | ninnypants | VLMC I think it's called |
| 23:39.00 | beandog | seriously? |
| 23:39.03 | beandog | they just added an m? |
| 23:39.04 | beandog | heh |
| 23:41.17 | mindjuju | fungus, you going tonight? |
| 23:41.28 | fungus | yup |
| 23:42.02 | mindjuju | really? can we talk network topography if i treat at the after hours party? |
| 23:42.15 | beandog | I love that word. |
| 23:42.16 | beandog | topography |
| 23:42.33 | mindjuju | please please please fungus! |
| 23:42.37 | fungus | of course |
| 23:42.48 | mindjuju | at worst, it'll just be a boring 2hrs for you :) |
| 23:42.49 | fungus | onomatopoeia |
| 23:42.57 | mindjuju | for me, it means a chance at sanity still |
| 23:42.57 | fungus | another fun word |
| 23:43.23 | jsmith | mindjuju: topography or topology? |
| 23:43.26 | beandog | fungus: no |
| 23:43.41 | fungus | lol |
| 23:43.45 | mindjuju | jsmith, that's above my paygrade |
| 23:43.59 | peno | hah |
| 23:44.10 | jsmith | mindjuju: And yet, when I offer to hire you and improve your paygrade, you turn me down :-p |
| 23:44.29 | mindjuju | you didn't offer me an address in Va |
| 23:45.58 | mindjuju | peno, you going tonight? |
| 23:46.44 | ninnypants | oh is there a meeting tonight? |
| 23:46.47 | peno | yah |
| 23:46.57 | ninnypants | I'll have to see if I can make it |
| 23:47.03 | ninnypants | ~beandog++ |
| 23:47.07 | beandog | ninnypants: yah? |
| 23:47.08 | beandog | worked? |
| 23:47.15 | ninnypants | worked pretty well |
| 23:47.23 | jsmith | mindjuju: I'm flexible :-) |
| 23:47.24 | jsmith | mindjuju: As long as you live close enough to me that we can meet for BBQ every once in a while, I'm good :-p |
| 23:47.42 | ninnypants | not amazing I'll have to find something a little better for later projects but for this quick tutorial that I made it's fine |
| 23:55.31 | beandog | nice |
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