| 00:00.04 | josephscott | we've got a team that works on that process |
| 00:00.24 | tierra | internal requirements and review I guesS? |
| 00:00.29 | josephscott | so they pick and choose what goes up and what doesn't |
| 00:00.36 | tierra | interesting |
| 00:01.03 | josephscott | wordpress.com has to be extra careful |
| 00:01.17 | josephscott | not that the WPORG folks are careful, but you know what I mean |
| 00:01.23 | tierra | was hoping there was some sort of requirements checklist somewhere |
| 00:01.43 | tierra | but yeah, I totally know what you mean... themes run direct PHP code themselves... super dangerous |
| 00:02.11 | josephscott | I'm not sure what they've indicated about that, they get to be even more picky about what does and doesn't get allowed on wordpress.com |
| 00:05.21 | tierra | ... I'd quit too for listening to that ;) |
| 00:07.45 | tierra | that is one of my pet peeves about WordPress... themes abuse PHP as the "templating language" that everyone thinks PHP is, but it really isn't |
| 00:08.39 | josephscott | well, it is both the core language and the template language |
| 00:08.43 | tierra | besides unneccessarily requiring you to upload PHP files to the server to install new themes (or a zip, or whatever, but in any case, either you or the web-server *needs* write access) |
| 00:08.57 | tierra | it's *incredibly* insecure |
| 00:09.01 | josephscott | no, it doesn't |
| 00:09.12 | josephscott | it can use ftp (and s* friends) |
| 00:09.21 | tierra | i.e. you need write access |
| 00:09.36 | josephscott | well, something needs write access, obviously, hard to write files other wise :-) |
| 00:10.00 | tierra | who says a theme needs to be installed as a set of files on the server? ;) |
| 00:10.22 | josephscott | right, we could store in the DB ;-) |
| 00:10.26 | tierra | exactly |
| 00:10.45 | josephscott | yeah, not as much fun as it sounds |
| 00:11.44 | josephscott | you could write a master theme that stores child themes in the DB, if you were looking for more pain in your life :-) |
| 00:12.12 | tierra | if you're talking about the crap WP would have to do to migrate to a system like that, yes, but if you're talking about writing a theme engine that works that way from scratch, no problem |
| 00:12.50 | tierra | backwards compatibility wouldn't be great, and yes, all themes would need to be rewritten |
| 00:12.59 | josephscott | "no problem" would be a stretch in my experience. no problem to write one, different issue to do it on the scale of wordpress.com |
| 00:13.48 | tierra | Shopify does it that way with no problems |
| 00:14.00 | tierra | also, they do have a nice, clean, simple theme review process |
| 00:14.24 | josephscott | I'm not familiar with Shopify internals |
| 00:14.51 | tierra | that's because it's not PHP, but the same thing can easily be done with PHP |
| 00:15.19 | josephscott | though if you want to have discussions with how things should be done you could go the Paul Graham route and write all your web apps in Lisp :-) |
| 00:15.43 | josephscott | I don't think PHP is a limiting factor there |
| 00:16.05 | tierra | I'm saying it's not a limiting factor, heh |
| 00:17.11 | josephscott | I don't follow, you just said "that's because it's not PHP", implying PHP was a limiting factor there |
| 00:18.39 | tierra | I just saying there's two major core problems with WP themes: 1) Themes are files on the webserver, which is solved by using DB (and proper caching), and 2) Themes are written in PHP rather than a real template language in secure mode like using Smarty (and of course there's plenty of alternatives too) |
| 00:19.25 | josephscott | I guess I won't categorize either of those as "major core problems" for WP |
| 00:20.42 | tierra | with the right implementation, themes would be way easier to write in the first place, and additionally, they wouldn't need to worry about security *at all* |
| 00:20.45 | josephscott | in that they might be improvements, aren't something that is actually broken (as in not working) |
| 00:21.10 | josephscott | "wouldn't need to worry about security *at all*" I've heard that line too many times to believe it :-) |
| 00:21.23 | tierra | heh, I didn't say it was "broken" either |
| 00:21.43 | tierra | just highly in-efficient |
| 00:21.48 | josephscott | tierra: gotta run, dinner is not, happy to hook you up with more info about wordpress.com themes later |
| 00:21.57 | josephscott | s/dinner is not/dinner is on/ |
| 00:22.00 | tierra | ah, yeah, that'd be great |
| 00:22.11 | tierra | take care |
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| 03:37.40 | tierra | heh, took another look into safe PHP template engines since the discussion earlier here, and I think I've seen this before years ago, but it wasn't nearly as mature as it looks now: http://twig.sensiolabs.org/ |
| 03:38.36 | tierra | ironically, the syntax is almost identical to the template engine I was referring to with Shopify (which uses liquid templates: https://github.com/Shopify/liquid/wiki/Liquid-for-Designers ) |
| 03:39.03 | tierra | has the same auto-escape features even |
| 03:43.33 | ninnypants1 | shopify has a good template system though it could use better docs |
| 03:43.40 | tierra | this is exactly what I would use to power safe WordPress themes in the system I described above |
| 03:45.31 | tierra | like current WordPress developers have any clue what their doing with PHP, heh |
| 03:45.32 | ninnypants1 | it could probably be done with a plugin that parsed html files or even something like the shortcode api just modded a little |
| 03:45.44 | tierra | er, I meant WordPress designer |
| 03:45.48 | tierra | designers |
| 03:47.10 | tierra | I'm not thinking any plugin... it needs to be something built directly into WordPress itself so it can be full optimized with any caching systems as well |
| 03:47.16 | ninnypants1 | yeah the current template system is pretty simple though |
| 03:47.28 | tierra | oh, that wouldn't change |
| 03:47.34 | tierra | in fact, it would be easier |
| 03:47.40 | tierra | and more simple |
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| 03:49.48 | tierra | ninnypants1: this is what you're referring to, and this is exactly the same flow/organization I would implement in the new template engine: http://codex.wordpress.org/images/1/18/Template_Hierarchy.png |
| 03:49.59 | ninnypants1 | yeah didn't figure it would figured you were thinking of a simpler option for designers with the option to do more hardcore stuff for devs |
| 03:50.08 | tierra | it just wouldn't be PHP files ;) |
| 03:50.22 | ninnypants1 | tierra: oh I actually meant the php template functions |
| 03:51.08 | tierra | oh, yeah, a lot of that would have to change too, but those have always been horribly organized anyway |
| 03:53.01 | tierra | this is what we were discussing earlier with it being a huge pain in the neck trying to keep backwards compatibility in WordPress... it would have to be a whole new engine |
| 03:54.11 | tierra | it would be a good chance to consolidate the API into a single naming scheme as the current one doesn't (and never will now) |
| 03:54.34 | tierra | ever wonder why half the template tags and functions start with "wp_" |
| 03:54.40 | tierra | while the rest don't? |
| 03:55.32 | ninnypants1 | depends on how they're used |
| 03:55.36 | tierra | it's a complete gamble, so it's especially hard to ever memorize even the most common API method names |
| 03:55.47 | tierra | nope, there is no convention |
| 03:56.46 | tierra | half way through the WP project, they realized they needed to prefix new methods because they were cluttering the global namespace (and conflicting with nearly every other PHP library out there) |
| 03:57.04 | tierra | but you can't just change the original ones |
| 03:57.53 | tierra | well, you can, but you have to have proper and reasonable cut-off dates and compatibility rules in place |
| 03:58.17 | tierra | and WP doesn't afaik |
| 04:00.16 | ninnypants1 | WP they stay forever and just throw a depricated notice |
| 04:01.22 | ninnypants1 | hmm I was thinking they used wp for things that didn't output html, granted things like get_post_custom and get_post_meta aren't prefixed |
| 04:01.54 | ninnypants1 | tierra what editor do you use? |
| 04:04.24 | tierra | several, heh |
| 04:04.33 | ninnypants1 | naturally ;) |
| 04:04.39 | ninnypants1 | use Sublime Text? |
| 04:05.53 | tierra | netbeans when I need to do debugging, and split time between Sublime Text and vim (still trying to get my vim-fu up to par where I can do all of the above in vim, but it's not there yet) |
| 04:06.56 | ninnypants1 | https://github.com/ninnypants/WordPress-Sublime-Completions |
| 04:07.35 | ninnypants1 | has completions for every function in WP though if you don't do any theming it might not be too helpful |
| 04:08.04 | tierra | yeah, I'm not going to be doing any theming |
| 04:08.20 | ninnypants1 | yeah didn't figure |
| 04:08.41 | ninnypants1 | ok gotta go pick up an ipad for some testing |
| 04:08.42 | ninnypants1 | later |
| 05:04.21 | ninnypants | $rlart |
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| 14:53.57 | mindjuju | ninnypants - did you ever play half-life 2? |
| 14:55.26 | mindjuju | that's what this reminds me of - http://news.yahoo.com/talk-drones-patrolling-us-skies-spawns-anxiety-063727667--finance.html |
| 14:55.32 | mindjuju | all those flying cameras in the game |
| 14:56.46 | ninnypants | well if they're anything like HL2 you can just quickly shoot them down with a shotgun ;) |
| 14:57.01 | mindjuju | ~ninnypants++ |
| 15:04.31 | ninnypants | rolling an ipad back to an older firmware is a pain |
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| 15:06.45 | mindjuju | ...sigh... this is what happens when a marketing agency writes a news article - http://news.yahoo.com/surface-tablet-microsoft-stands-alone-092028787.html |
| 15:07.09 | mindjuju | reminds me of that other article that said MS phones would blow out the iphone by 2013 |
| 15:07.45 | mahelious | ninnypants: the article says they may take a shot at you with it's very own shotgun. |
| 15:08.08 | mindjuju | oh i saw that, you can get a drone fitted with a shotgun or grenade launcher |
| 15:09.18 | mindjuju | wait to you get to the bottom where it says that DoD and Drone makers put pressure on FAA to allow (drone makers stand to make $6billion off it ) and how the EFF (i think it was, maybe ACLU) was saying FAA in no position to set up nor monitor issues related to privacy concerns |
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| 15:24.34 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
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| 15:42.18 | ninnypants | josephscott: ping |
| 15:42.53 | josephscott | ninnypants: hi |
| 15:47.51 | ninnypants | we're meeting at 12 right? |
| 15:47.57 | ninnypants | josephscott: ^^ |
| 15:48.06 | josephscott | ninnypants: sorry, yes, noon |
| 15:48.21 | herlo | :P |
| 15:48.53 | ninnypants | josephscott: did we decide on a place? |
| 15:49.16 | josephscott | chipotle in sandy, on state street, just north of 10600 south |
| 15:50.38 | mindjuju | i can't help but laugh at this video of surface by ms - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo |
| 15:51.02 | mindjuju | and how much emphasis is given to the fact that it has a kick stand as a compeling reason for purchase |
| 15:52.26 | mindjuju | here is compartive - ipad 3 ad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da9q_v10ooU |
| 15:53.02 | mindjuju | i think MS needs a new marketing agency, the one they are using now is a bad fit |
| 15:53.25 | mindjuju | with those awful "insult the prospective buyer into buying our phone" ads |
| 15:53.27 | mindjuju | :( |
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| 15:59.55 | josephscott | mindjuju: kickstands sell bicycles right? so why not tablets? ;-) |
| 16:00.17 | mindjuju | i just couldn't believe it was on the feature list |
| 16:00.30 | mindjuju | as if it was REALLY a selling point |
| 16:00.48 | mindjuju | i don't know, maybe i'm an MS-hater |
| 16:00.58 | mindjuju | i don't have an ipad, i don't have any tablet |
| 16:01.17 | mindjuju | but i don't feel impartial |
| 16:02.06 | josephscott | I like the idea of the cover that doubles as a keyboard, that is neat |
| 16:02.32 | mindjuju | so here is my question on that though |
| 16:02.57 | mindjuju | steve jobs said the ipad was a consumption device not a creation? (i don't remember if he used that word) device |
| 16:03.08 | mindjuju | and i think he's right to a point |
| 16:03.42 | josephscott | I don't think steve jobs ever said that |
| 16:03.48 | mindjuju | are people REALLY going to be satisfied? |
| 16:04.03 | josephscott | I don't think he ever said anything that hinted at that |
| 16:05.26 | josephscott | other people have, and I think they are wrong |
| 16:06.02 | josephscott | not saying tablets would take over everything, but clearly plenty of people have used iPhones and iPads to create things, so no matter who said it the point would be wrong |
| 16:06.20 | mindjuju | hmm, can't find so readily, looks like i am wrong on that quote,i really thought i saw that though |
| 16:07.33 | TuxToaster | it has been said a few times, but not sure that Jobs himself ever said the words |
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| 16:07.56 | TuxToaster | the thing is Apple tries to position the devices in both markets... |
| 16:08.14 | TuxToaster | iMovie, GarageBand, etc. on the iPad are for content creation |
| 16:08.37 | mindjuju | that's true |
| 16:09.25 | josephscott | there are videos with small bands using nothing but iOS devices to create the music, pretty amazing |
| 16:09.40 | TuxToaster | personally, I think MS should stop trying to imitate everyone else and focus their efforts on making Windows not suck. |
| 16:10.10 | josephscott | what is most interesting about their tablet announcement is that they built the whole thing themselves |
| 16:10.26 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 16:10.27 | josephscott | big departure from their traditional "license the OS" model |
| 16:10.46 | TuxToaster | also going to cause a rift with Dell, HP, etc. |
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| 16:11.01 | TuxToaster | exactly |
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| 17:14.15 | DexterTheDragon | https://p.twimg.com/Avw0BNbCAAEZXV-.jpg |
| 17:18.41 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 18:15.49 | TuxToaster | insane. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android |
| 18:15.53 | TuxToaster | you ask for $100k |
| 18:15.56 | TuxToaster | you get $10M |
| 18:17.04 | mgeary | how does that work? 68k people have basically pre-ordered the watch? |
| 18:21.40 | mahelious | yes, but the higher donors get additional perks like early access to the dev-kit, distibutor bundles or custom faces. |
| 18:25.17 | mahelious | if i can sync that to a tablet for apps, etc. im totally getting one. |
| 18:25.26 | mahelious | right after i actually get a tablet. lol |
| 18:27.14 | mgeary | and you only actually pay if they hit their target? so they've actually banked that $10M? |
| 18:32.21 | mahelious | i believe thats correct. |
| 18:35.48 | TuxToaster | mahelious: lol |
| 18:35.55 | TuxToaster | mgeary: yes |
| 18:36.21 | mahelious | its pretty staggering. "Hey guys, we've got |
| 18:36.30 | TuxToaster | if you don't hit the goal by the time the fundraiser is over (a date is set when the project is created, usually 30 days I think) then no one pays a dime |
| 18:36.32 | mahelious | $10 million dollars!" |
| 18:39.15 | Bikerdan | I believe that kickstarted keeps a small portion of that as well.... |
| 18:39.21 | Bikerdan | kickstarter |
| 18:39.58 | Bikerdan | 5% |
| 18:40.04 | Bikerdan | They're making bank.... |
| 18:48.53 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:48.53 | raifbot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up influx. |
| 19:01.05 | SunSparc | $rlart |
| 19:01.06 | raifbot | decapitates mahelious conan the destroyer style. |
| 19:01.09 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 19:01.09 | ibot | takes a big bite out of uxp's jugular vein |
| 19:02.50 | SunSparc | That is some awesome results from a Kickstarter project. I wish I could do that with mine. |
| 19:07.05 | mahelious | ~jar SunSparc |
| 19:07.05 | ibot | SunSparc took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "utahcon !" |
| 19:07.34 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:08.10 | SunSparc | ~cookie mahelious |
| 19:08.34 | SunSparc | ? |
| 19:08.42 | SunSparc | Don't leave me hanging ibot. |
| 19:08.51 | SunSparc | ~lart ibot |
| 19:08.51 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down sunsparc's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:09.10 | SunSparc | Mmm... crumpets. |
| 19:09.18 | SunSparc | Yes, Jam please. |
| 19:09.21 | SunSparc | ~jam SunSparc |
| 19:09.30 | SunSparc | :( |
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| 19:11.09 | mahelious | an e-ink watch is innovative, though not completely game-changing. and while tethering to mobile ("smart") devices is compelling, I don't think the market is so desperate for add-ons to justify that much cash. |
| 19:11.45 | mahelious | im guessing the real value people see in the watch is a platform for boutique enterprises. |
| 19:12.31 | SunSparc | ~google boutique enterprises |
| 19:13.15 | mahelious | an interesting proposition for kickstarter projects: don't just create a consumable, create a value-added platform that customers, literally, buy into. |
| 19:13.49 | SunSparc | Agreed |
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| 19:47.21 | fungus | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/linus-torvalds-says-f-k-you-to-nvidia |
| 19:47.52 | fungus | Same story as yesterday but covers the AMD vs Nvidia controversy too, and an awesome pic |
| 19:51.44 | mindjuju | so fungus |
| 19:51.54 | mindjuju | on this nvidia |
| 19:52.13 | mindjuju | did you notice that nvidia is the graphic chip used on the MS Surface? |
| 19:52.25 | mindjuju | i wonder if they've been asked to "not play ball" |
| 19:52.50 | fungus | Not yet, it's in one of my tabs to read later. |
| 19:53.19 | mindjuju | there aren't a lot of specs out yet for the surface, but curiously, the graphic chip was noted |
| 19:54.00 | fungus | nvidia makes great stuff, they just ignore and/or don't care about linux. |
| 19:54.31 | mindjuju | for some reason i thought it was the other way, nvidia was linux friendly ati wasn't, until our conversation from yesterday |
| 19:55.04 | fungus | it depends on what you mean by "linux friendly" |
| 19:55.29 | beandog | I loves my nvidia binary video card modules |
| 19:55.36 | beandog | vdpau, yes please. |
| 19:55.38 | fungus | if it means friendly to the linux developers and/or hackers. Then no. Nvidia is evil |
| 19:56.02 | fungus | If it means friendly to users that blindly install proprietary drivers, then yes nvidia is linux friendly |
| 19:56.09 | beandog | dang straight! |
| 19:56.54 | fungus | the article I just linked, lays it out pretty well |
| 19:57.47 | fungus | " NVIDIA’s proprietary drivers are often the better of the two. AMD, however, has been more responsive to requests for collaboration from the Linux development community and has taken several steps to accommodate the development of open drivers." |
| 20:03.57 | beandog | vdpau is pretty much the only thing right now that works with hardware decoding for video players on linux |
| 20:04.03 | beandog | well, iirc |
| 20:04.08 | beandog | that may have changed recently |
| 20:04.16 | beandog | maybe |
| 20:04.22 | beandog | :) |
| 20:04.50 | beandog | whats the other one, vaapi? |
| 20:04.51 | beandog | I think |
| 20:05.00 | beandog | yah |
| 20:09.02 | mindjuju | the world is so nutty i can't believe it |
| 20:09.04 | mindjuju | http://screencast.com/t/QWijp9W99I |
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| 20:09.22 | mindjuju | ^^an actual selling point for ms surface^^ |
| 20:09.28 | mindjuju | now everything is going to get a kick stand |
| 20:09.34 | mindjuju | books will now come with kickstands |
| 20:09.42 | mindjuju | mirrors will come with kickstands |
| 20:09.47 | mindjuju | my phone will come with a kick stand |
| 20:10.00 | macnewbold | i thought ipad casees were kickstands? |
| 20:10.02 | mindjuju | it's like the best thing since sliced bread |
| 20:10.37 | mindjuju | i REALLY hope that MS engys haven't staked their best engineering marvel as the kickstand |
| 20:11.51 | mindjuju | see, i am a hater |
| 20:11.56 | mindjuju | i admit it |
| 20:12.21 | mindjuju | i think it first started when trying to support win2k3 w/ apache |
| 20:12.33 | mindjuju | it spread when working win2k8 + mssql 2k5 |
| 20:12.53 | mindjuju | slowly seething hatred of goofiness that is ms products |
| 20:13.18 | mindjuju | oops, s/is/are |
| 20:13.35 | josephscott | ~sooth mindjuju |
| 20:14.26 | ninnypants | ~calm mindjuju |
| 20:14.26 | ibot | ACTION sooths mindjuju, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm mindjuju down. |
| 20:14.53 | mindjuju | i just don't understand |
| 20:14.59 | beandog | josephscott: lols |
| 20:15.13 | beandog | josephscott: that was more than one lol |
| 20:15.19 | josephscott | haha |
| 20:15.25 | josephscott | ~lolstat |
| 20:15.35 | josephscott | ~lolsstat |
| 20:15.42 | beandog | ~lolstats |
| 20:15.42 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4521. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 712 (15.7%), carmony -- 540 (11.9%), macnewbold -- 478 (10.6%) |
| 20:15.48 | beandog | ~lolstats beandog |
| 20:15.48 | ibot | beandog has said lol 421 times (9.3 %), ranked 6/109 (percentile: 5.5 %) |
| 20:15.55 | beandog | ~mehstats |
| 20:15.59 | beandog | meh |
| 20:16.03 | beandog | !chuck-fact |
| 20:16.07 | beandog | meh |
| 20:16.14 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 20:16.15 | ibot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 20:16.23 | mindjuju | ~beandog |
| 20:16.23 | ibot | from memory, beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway, or a non-girl, or has a large intestine filled with mealworms, or a belieber, or a meandog |
| 20:16.38 | beandog | I don't know where that mealworms one came from |
| 20:16.49 | mindjuju | beandog the belieber |
| 20:16.52 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 20:16.55 | beandog | heh |
| 20:17.00 | josephscott | ~lolsstats |
| 20:17.04 | beandog | makes me wanna go listen to his album again |
| 20:18.12 | beandog | again, as in, the second time |
| 20:21.06 | beandog | http://memsql.com/ |
| 20:21.18 | beandog | Get up and running with MemSQL in 30 seconds. MemSQL is wire-compatible with MySQL, the world’s most popular open-source database. With a flat learning curve, MemSQL behaves exactly like MySQL (except 30 times faster). The full MySQL ecosystem remains at your disposal, including standard ODBC/JDBC connectors, clients, ETL tools and database management systems. |
| 20:21.25 | beandog | ODBC |
| 20:22.04 | mindjuju | could be worse, could be oledb |
| 20:22.45 | beandog | I was trying to setup Postgres on ubuntu yesterday, to replicate my gentoo setup |
| 20:22.47 | beandog | My crap |
| 20:22.51 | beandog | PHP database connectors suck |
| 20:23.06 | beandog | Everything is happy and wonderful, and doesn't throw errors *until* you actually execute a query. |
| 20:23.08 | beandog | Drives me insane. |
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| 20:24.22 | TuxToaster | $lart beandog |
| 20:24.22 | raifbot | plops beandog into a giant vat of herring. |
| 20:25.19 | josephscott | ~love PostgreSQL |
| 20:25.19 | ibot | If you love PostgreSQL so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 20:25.45 | beandog | ~shun mysql |
| 20:25.45 | ibot | You are dead to me, mysql. |
| 20:26.09 | beandog | Every single time I have to work with MySQL -- security, configuration, setup ... whatever, I start going insnae |
| 20:26.11 | beandog | I hate that database. |
| 20:26.20 | beandog | so poorly designed and documented, it's terrible |
| 20:29.59 | beandog | anyway |
| 20:30.03 | beandog | just talking about it gets me worked up |
| 20:32.50 | josephscott | ~calm beandog |
| 20:32.50 | ibot | ACTION sooths beandog, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm beandog down. |
| 20:32.52 | josephscott | :-) |
| 20:40.25 | TuxToaster | beandog: what do you like then? Or is MySQL a love/hate? |
| 20:40.50 | mindjuju | he likes postgres |
| 20:41.00 | TuxToaster | *shudders* |
| 20:41.11 | beandog | I have to use MySQL |
| 20:41.15 | beandog | But I'm moving us to Percona |
| 20:41.25 | TuxToaster | to be fair, I haven't messed with Postgres for a few years |
| 20:41.39 | beandog | I'm partial to postgres because it was the first DB I cut my teeth on |
| 20:41.51 | beandog | and it's far more intuitive and supported many more features earlier on |
| 20:42.13 | beandog | here is, for example, an annoyance with MySQL |
| 20:42.22 | beandog | Their default configurations shipped with the releases are outdated |
| 20:42.29 | beandog | Their "large" configuration file is set for a system with 2GB RAM |
| 20:42.48 | beandog | Another annoyance is that you have to tell the database server to not start if the InnoDB engine doesn't start |
| 20:43.08 | beandog | the list just goes on and on |
| 20:43.29 | beandog | mostly, makes *administration* a pain |
| 20:43.40 | beandog | once its up and running, I don't really have a problem with it |
| 20:43.49 | beandog | it's babysitting them that makes me go nuts |
| 20:44.03 | TuxToaster | eh, those are valid. What bugged me with Postgres was that at the time I was messing with it, it didn't support quite a few of the things we were needing to do with queries |
| 20:44.33 | beandog | operationally, I prefer postgres because of its features ... but in a simple webdev environment, nobody is going to use those advanced features. |
| 20:44.35 | TuxToaster | trying to remember a specific function but I know there were some things that we could do in MSSQL and MySQL but PG just ignored it |
| 20:44.50 | beandog | MSSQL is a beast all its own. :T |
| 20:44.52 | beandog | T-SQL |
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| 20:45.06 | TuxToaster | yeah, and we were running SQL Server 7 |
| 20:45.09 | beandog | With its own list of gotchas, but I can totally relate, TuxToaster That's how it is comparing any of the big DBs :T |
| 20:45.14 | TuxToaster | then eventually SQL 2000 and 2005 |
| 20:45.22 | beandog | TuxToaster: oh wow, I'm sorry |
| 20:45.23 | beandog | I was on 2k |
| 20:45.26 | beandog | and that was horrible |
| 20:45.46 | beandog | I remember I had a list of actual software bugs with it |
| 20:45.48 | TuxToaster | I moved the systems that were on SQL 7 and classic ASP to MySQL + PHP |
| 20:46.06 | beandog | Yah I did the same thing at one job |
| 20:46.13 | beandog | ASP to PHP was heavenly |
| 20:46.33 | TuxToaster | we had all kinds of batch jobs that were taking 20-30 minutes (I remember the coder saying he was elated that he got one running in around 10 minutes... I made the same thing run in .003 seconds on MySQL) |
| 20:47.48 | TuxToaster | I swear he almost had a heart attack when I did a full text index on the support tickets on the accounts, so you could search 7.5 years worth of calls and have a list of how many tickets had the word "stupid" in less than a second. |
| 20:48.32 | josephscott | ~stupid |
| 20:48.32 | ibot | somebody said stupid was http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif |
| 20:48.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:48.54 | josephscott | haha, that one is pretty good |
| 20:49.30 | TuxToaster | beandog: my worst experience with MSSQL though was our phone system used a 2k5 database |
| 20:50.08 | TuxToaster | the guy who set it up had it running a "backup" by ... get this... appending a dump to a file in another folder on the same box. |
| 20:50.17 | TuxToaster | so... the file was getting exponentially bigger |
| 20:50.31 | TuxToaster | and the box would occasionally run out of space |
| 20:50.49 | TuxToaster | which most any DB server is not going to like. :-) |
| 20:52.27 | beandog | lol |
| 20:52.36 | SunSparc | ~facepalm |
| 20:52.37 | ibot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 20:52.39 | josephscott | looks like I won't be able to make it to the meeting on Thursday, bummed |
| 20:52.46 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 20:52.49 | beandog | TuxToaster: I love rewriting queries |
| 20:52.59 | beandog | We had one here that'd take 15 minutes to run AND it'd take down the entire website at once |
| 20:53.13 | beandog | I looked at it, saw they werent using any JOINs, and got it to run in like .02 seconds |
| 20:53.15 | beandog | heh |
| 20:53.46 | SunSparc | ~praise beandog |
| 20:53.46 | ibot | All hail beandog! |
| 20:53.49 | ninnypants | were they just using sub selects? |
| 20:53.56 | beandog | Yah |
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| 20:54.00 | beandog | And they were scanning the entire table each time |
| 20:54.02 | ninnypants | ouch |
| 20:54.05 | beandog | It was pretty ugly |
| 20:54.10 | beandog | And the table had like 200k rows I think? |
| 20:54.16 | beandog | And they had to run the query on each row |
| 20:54.18 | beandog | so |
| 20:54.18 | beandog | yah |
| 20:54.21 | beandog | joining against itself |
| 20:54.21 | TuxToaster | worst part was he had supposedly fixed the problem, and later left the company. I didn't find out that was what was going on until a random saturday when I found out that both of our call centers were offline.... |
| 20:54.43 | TuxToaster | and MSSQL refused to bring the DB online because some metadata was corrupted in it |
| 20:55.36 | TuxToaster | I spent 6 hours on the phone with Oracle (who had bought the software we were using for the phone system) and they were trying to get me to just do a complete rebuild of the system from scratch, saying they had no idea how to fix the database. |
| 20:55.56 | mindjuju | sounds painful |
| 20:56.26 | TuxToaster | so I took a chance and made a backup of the .mdf and then deleted the database, created a new one with the same setup, shut down the server, and swapped out the files |
| 20:56.28 | TuxToaster | then brought it up |
| 20:56.48 | TuxToaster | after a consistency check because it saw that something didn't match up, it came right up |
| 20:57.54 | TuxToaster | beandog: I love stuff like that. Especially using derived tables to pull off wicked cool stuff |
| 20:58.44 | josephscott | I'm not sure if I should be impressed or disgusted by this http://devour.com/video/inside-a-mcdonalds-photo-shoot/ |
| 20:59.11 | beandog | TuxToaster: oh man |
| 20:59.21 | beandog | TuxToaster: oh man, I have horror stories just like that. |
| 20:59.36 | beandog | TuxToaster: We had something like EIGHT different databases, and queries were running joins across the databases. |
| 20:59.56 | beandog | I merged all the tables (which were uniquely named to begin with) into one database, and it magically got impressively faster |
| 21:00.02 | TuxToaster | ah, SELECT * FROM [10.1.30.21].database.table |
| 21:00.06 | beandog | Yes |
| 21:00.08 | beandog | ! |
| 21:00.11 | beandog | So insane. |
| 21:00.25 | TuxToaster | $lart database links |
| 21:00.27 | raifbot | takes a big bite out of database links's jugular vein. |
| 21:00.54 | TuxToaster | I actually really like the ability to do that for very specific scenarios |
| 21:01.03 | beandog | I agree, it's nice |
| 21:01.07 | beandog | But it shouldn't be abused |
| 21:01.08 | TuxToaster | but 99% of the time, UR DOIN IT WRONG |
| 21:01.08 | beandog | by poor design |
| 21:03.03 | TuxToaster | by the time I left there I was getting bombarded with requests to "make a report that tells me how many support tickets each agent handled, how many calls they took, what their average call times were, how many sales they did and what their attendance was like." |
| 21:03.10 | TuxToaster | in the same report in a single table. |
| 21:03.21 | beandog | heh |
| 21:03.29 | beandog | One thing I did like about MSSQL, is it was pretty easy to write procedures |
| 21:03.41 | beandog | I liked that part a lot. And they sped up stuff *a lot* |
| 21:03.44 | TuxToaster | trying to explain to those people that not only were those metrics on different systems, but in different database archietctures was impossible. |
| 21:03.52 | beandog | lol |
| 21:03.57 | beandog | ~medal TuxToaster |
| 21:05.03 | TuxToaster | so I had a reports class in PHP that would pull down the details from each DB and merge them into arrays and try to spit out something useful. Was never 100% though, as there was no guarantee that their username matched across systems. |
| 21:05.09 | beandog | Oh my gosh |
| 21:05.14 | beandog | I was just gonna suggest something like th at |
| 21:05.19 | beandog | a cron job that joins all of it, then runs a query |
| 21:05.30 | TuxToaster | yup yup. |
| 21:05.39 | beandog | Another thing I liked about our old system, is we used UUIDs everywhere |
| 21:05.44 | beandog | Which was great, because the data was WHACKED |
| 21:05.47 | beandog | No foreign keys |
| 21:05.52 | beandog | just across the board crazy |
| 21:05.56 | mindjuju | ~UUID beandog |
| 21:05.57 | beandog | At least we had unique identifiers |
| 21:06.03 | beandog | Oh man |
| 21:06.05 | TuxToaster | Support was in MySQL, phones were SQL 2k5, billing was Postgres, MySQL or flat csv. depending on which client the customer was with. |
| 21:06.07 | beandog | good times. |
| 21:06.19 | beandog | TuxToaster: oh wow |
| 21:06.27 | beandog | See I would have migrated them all to a single db / server |
| 21:06.33 | TuxToaster | it wasn't a cron job though, it had to do that when they pulled the report |
| 21:06.55 | TuxToaster | I finally got it to where most of those reports could be built in about 10 seconds. |
| 21:07.25 | beandog | that's awesome |
| 21:07.28 | TuxToaster | then they laid me off, because the guy asking for those "had no idea" what I was doing for the company. |
| 21:07.39 | beandog | heh |
| 21:07.43 | beandog | Sorry man |
| 21:07.48 | TuxToaster | they fired him about 3 weeks later because he had no idea what the techs were doing, since he couldn't get the reports to tell him. |
| 21:07.50 | beandog | did you disable the report before you left? |
| 21:07.58 | beandog | ;) |
| 21:08.01 | beandog | jk, that would be bad |
| 21:09.00 | TuxToaster | nah, the guy that took over my stuff is a friend of mine, I helped him improve them... but they've since killed most of the company off and outsourced their call centers to the Philippines so I'm glad I left. |
| 21:09.35 | beandog | that's sad |
| 21:09.36 | beandog | :( |
| 21:10.15 | beandog | We've got a weird DB problem at work now, that we keep ignoring because client wont let us go in and fix the code |
| 21:10.15 | TuxToaster | yup yup. Actually loved the job even with the messy stuff though. Got to do a lot more than just mess with code. |
| 21:10.33 | beandog | There's a report that runs that takes like 10 minutes to run, but the script is littered with ob_* caching and flushing |
| 21:10.44 | TuxToaster | that can't be good |
| 21:10.45 | beandog | So everytime they get too much data, the script times out because of memory limits |
| 21:10.55 | beandog | And, obviously, the amount of data will only keep growing ... |
| 21:11.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:11.09 | beandog | So each time it gets "too big", I go in and modify the memory limit for php and timeout for apache |
| 21:11.18 | beandog | and it works for another month or so |
| 21:11.21 | beandog | and repeat the same thing |
| 21:11.22 | beandog | heh |
| 21:11.24 | TuxToaster | ~fail |
| 21:11.24 | ibot | FAIL. |
| 21:11.46 | beandog | FILA |
| 21:12.20 | beandog | One thing I've noticed though |
| 21:12.34 | beandog | the places I've worked at that have systemic problems like crappy hardware and db setup |
| 21:12.46 | beandog | the same is true as the organization too -- just unorganized, terrible, impossible to fix |
| 21:12.53 | beandog | there's a lot of parallels |
| 21:12.56 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 21:13.09 | beandog | I have my issues here, but none of them are grind-me-down-and-kill-me every day problems |
| 21:13.20 | beandog | and I like it here |
| 21:13.21 | beandog | so |
| 21:13.22 | beandog | yah |
| 21:13.24 | beandog | :) |
| 21:13.29 | TuxToaster | there you go |
| 21:14.46 | beandog | To be honest though, it is kind of fun to have a big project like that where you can go in and really clean things up |
| 21:14.48 | beandog | It's a good challenge |
| 21:14.53 | TuxToaster | I'm still basking in what it's like to work somewhere where a plan is made and then followed, even if not perfectly. |
| 21:15.02 | beandog | It's when it's in production, and you have to maintain it at the same time, that it makes me want to stab myself |
| 21:15.16 | beandog | TuxToaster: heh, that's great. It's good to find a good company |
| 21:15.22 | beandog | I had a boss tell me once |
| 21:15.28 | beandog | The #1 reason someone will take a job is money |
| 21:15.32 | beandog | but the #1 reason they will leave is culture |
| 21:15.43 | TuxToaster | if nothing else, you can always draw on the experience later... even if the company you clean up doesn't realize it |
| 21:16.21 | TuxToaster | good point |
| 21:16.28 | beandog | yayh |
| 21:16.29 | beandog | yah |
| 21:16.33 | beandog | there's always a takeaway |
| 21:18.15 | beandog | http://vooza.com/ |
| 21:18.16 | beandog | YES |
| 21:18.22 | beandog | everyone must watch this |
| 21:19.55 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:20.35 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 21:20.43 | mindjuju | classic |
| 21:20.48 | ninnypants | heh saw vooza a while back it's awesome |
| 21:20.50 | TuxToaster | QQQQ |
| 21:20.51 | TuxToaster | K |
| 21:20.52 | TuxToaster | 5 |
| 21:21.33 | beandog | "revenue is a journey" |
| 21:21.44 | beandog | that's gotta be a clients from hell quote |
| 21:22.12 | jsmith | "Revenue covers a multitude of sins" |
| 21:22.51 | mindjuju | i LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that web 2.0 side-stepped the cyber squatters and just used made up names as opposed to paying 1,000,000 for a domain |
| 21:25.00 | mindjuju | pesky cybersquatters, the roaches of the internet ! |
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| 21:34.07 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: let's talk about Javascript. |
| 21:34.14 | TuxToaster | WAT. |
| 21:34.49 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: maybe we should just talk about IE ;) |
| 21:34.52 | ninnypants | ~ie |
| 21:34.52 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil, or the worst browser in the entire universe and it should be eliminated by any means possible, or the spawn of evil, nay all evil spawns from ie |
| 21:35.13 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you like IE? |
| 21:35.14 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Without a doubt. |
| 21:35.25 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you a masochist? |
| 21:35.25 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes - definitely. |
| 21:35.36 | ninnypants | raifbot: will never give up his Outlook and IE |
| 21:35.44 | ninnypants | $8ball do you run ie5? |
| 21:35.44 | raifbot | ninnypants - Better not tell you now. |
| 21:37.15 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:37.29 | beandog | lols |
| 21:37.34 | beandog | $8ball are you on fire |
| 21:37.35 | raifbot | beandog - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 21:37.38 | beandog | lol |
| 21:37.40 | beandog | que apropros |
| 21:37.45 | TuxToaster | very |
| 21:39.33 | beandog | wait, whut |
| 21:39.42 | beandog | carmony: your presentation looks awesome |
| 21:40.10 | TuxToaster | and the "whut" implies that you're shoclked? |
| 21:40.15 | mgeary | Mubarak just died |
| 21:40.16 | beandog | can I come by and do celebrity shots with you |
| 21:40.33 | mgeary | what is it with these dictators who are deposed and then suddenly die a few months later? |
| 21:40.37 | beandog | TuxToaster: yah, historically speaking |
| 21:40.39 | mgeary | seems kinda suspicous |
| 21:40.43 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:40.51 | beandog | ~depose mgeary |
| 21:40.54 | mindjuju | wait what? |
| 21:40.55 | mgeary | pfwah |
| 21:41.01 | mgeary | you'll never take me down |
| 21:41.03 | mgeary | mindjuju: yep |
| 21:41.24 | beandog | ~impose mgeary |
| 21:41.26 | TuxToaster | mgeary: in this case he was already getting up there in age and wasn't doing well |
| 21:41.34 | TuxToaster | was in a bed during the trials I believe |
| 21:41.54 | TuxToaster | I remember hearing something about him attending a court hearing of some kind in a bed |
| 21:42.05 | mindjuju | wow |
| 21:42.06 | beandog | does anyone else remember clinton and his impeachment hearings |
| 21:42.15 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.18 | TuxToaster | beandog: unfortunately |
| 21:42.19 | beandog | all I remember was him sitting a cushy chair and drinking a coke |
| 21:42.41 | beandog | cushy chairs are froofy, and coke is gross. |
| 21:42.42 | mindjuju | so i'm just curious here |
| 21:43.20 | mindjuju | in the days leading up to the mayapocolypse or the first days after, am i really going to be eating potatoes au gratin ? http://www.gofoods.biz/go-packs/gofoods-1-month-supply/ |
| 21:43.36 | mindjuju | or creamy tuscan pasta? |
| 21:43.57 | mindjuju | and am i going to warm it up with the charred remains of my smoldering house? |
| 21:45.26 | mindjuju | am i going to have a bowl to eat my southwest tortilla soup or will i have to use my helmet? |
| 21:45.46 | beandog | always wear your helmet |
| 21:46.22 | mindjuju | and what exactly is a "chicken-flavored tidbit" |
| 21:46.27 | mindjuju | http://www.gofoods.biz/products/chicken-cheddar-rice/ |
| 21:46.32 | mindjuju | or do i NOT want to know |
| 21:46.36 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: technically, if the mayapocolypse happens.... there won't be any "first days after" :P |
| 21:46.41 | beandog | lol |
| 21:46.54 | mindjuju | ah true |
| 21:47.07 | beandog | mindjuju is playing fallout irl |
| 21:47.17 | mindjuju | i was thinking about buying it |
| 21:47.32 | TuxToaster | hmm, their definition of "one month supply" needs help |
| 21:47.34 | beandog | it has naughties |
| 21:47.37 | TuxToaster | 16 beverages in a month? |
| 21:47.39 | mindjuju | no it was the story of the drones that got me into my dystopian mood |
| 21:47.44 | mindjuju | got me thinking of half life 2 |
| 21:47.45 | TuxToaster | so you only get to drink something every other day |
| 21:48.24 | TuxToaster | and of course, that's assuming only one person |
| 21:48.29 | mindjuju | i didn't see any HL2 rebel fighters eating potatos au gratin |
| 21:48.35 | mindjuju | i might have missed it though |
| 21:48.58 | TuxToaster | and only 8 servings of snacks |
| 21:49.34 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: I will say, some of those look really good |
| 21:49.50 | mindjuju | so here is the whole story TuxToaster |
| 21:50.14 | mindjuju | here i am doing checking the servers to make sure everything updated patch-wise |
| 21:50.23 | mindjuju | and while i'm running an upgrade, i scan me some facebook |
| 21:50.32 | mindjuju | where an old friend invites all his friends to this site |
| 21:50.33 | TuxToaster | $200 is a bit steep IMO, given that those are basically soup mixes and hamburger helper type things |
| 21:50.53 | mindjuju | which took me here |
| 21:50.54 | mindjuju | http://www.gofoods.biz/events/go-events/go-tour-2012/ |
| 21:51.10 | mindjuju | and within 2 seconds of watching the video i KNEW the most important thing |
| 21:51.13 | mindjuju | it's an MLM |
| 21:51.22 | mindjuju | you can tell by the kind of video / music |
| 21:52.18 | mindjuju | so any ways, i might go to check out the food, i'll leave everything i need to sign up for an MLM consultant at home, like my pocket book and driver's license |
| 21:52.19 | mindjuju | GO Tour 2012 is back in Provo! Join us for a little GOFoods Tuscan Pasta tonight at the Provo Residence Inn from 7-8 pm. The address for the Provo Residence Inn is 252 West 2230 North Provo, UT 84606 For more details go to |
| 21:52.36 | mindjuju | they haven't caught me yet, and that's a major source of pride for me |
| 21:52.50 | mindjuju | MJ - MLM free since 1973! |
| 21:53.03 | TuxToaster | heh yup |
| 21:53.22 | TuxToaster | I used to know a guy that was constantly trying to get me to get into his MLM stuff |
| 21:53.33 | TuxToaster | which was different every couple of weeks, of course. |
| 21:53.46 | mindjuju | let me guess, the product practically sells itself |
| 21:54.02 | mindjuju | to which i respond that they should upfront my costs, but my badge on the product and set it out on the street |
| 21:54.09 | mindjuju | and they can deposit my $$$ at the bank |
| 21:54.14 | mindjuju | if it sells itself and all |
| 21:54.18 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 21:54.26 | TuxToaster | in his case he owned a local computer repair shop (and an ISP for a while, til his partner showed up one night and literally walked out with the modem pool) |
| 21:54.38 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 21:54.46 | TuxToaster | so when business was slow, he was jumping in to MLMs |
| 21:56.11 | mindjuju | i'd rather invest in my brain and buy / rent a book |
| 21:57.58 | TuxToaster | agreed |
| 22:04.24 | beandog | mindjuju: I have a great book you can invest in |
| 22:04.30 | beandog | that will also invest in *you* |
| 22:04.35 | beandog | show up at 8 pm for more details. |
| 22:04.43 | mindjuju | o.0 |
| 22:04.49 | beandog | I love one my friend pointed out |
| 22:05.00 | beandog | Those real estate investors can afford $100k assistants, but not decent signs. |
| 22:05.44 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:06.28 | TuxToaster | they'd probably get better business if they had professional looking signs that didn't look spammy |
| 22:07.19 | TuxToaster | saw a profile for a web developer the other day that reminded me of those scams, the list of websites he's supposedly developed literally looked spammy enough I thought the site had been hacked. |
| 22:07.27 | TuxToaster | turns out that's really his portfolio. |
| 22:08.43 | beandog | lol |
| 22:08.51 | beandog | that's sad |
| 22:08.58 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 22:09.11 | mindjuju | i think i'm going to sign up my wife's family for this year - http://www.paysonscottishfestival.org/clans/index.html |
| 22:09.23 | beandog | man I totally missed the ren fest this year |
| 22:09.28 | beandog | I found out about it THREE DAYS after it finished |
| 22:09.29 | beandog | derp |
| 22:09.30 | beandog | :C |
| 22:09.44 | beandog | Last year there was sooooooo many belly dancers too |
| 22:09.45 | beandog | it was insane. |
| 22:09.59 | ninnypants | beandog: I remember posting about those signs |
| 22:10.01 | mindjuju | doth though mother know you weareth her drapes? |
| 22:10.20 | beandog | lol |
| 22:10.20 | mindjuju | oops, thou |
| 22:10.22 | ninnypants | I've decided that they're a way of harvesting a list of names and numbers for telemarketers or something |
| 22:11.38 | beandog | extra karma for avengers reference |
| 22:11.41 | beandog | ~mindjuju++ |
| 22:11.46 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
| 22:12.15 | beandog | that movie is so awesome |
| 22:12.24 | beandog | I went and watched Iron Man, then Iron Man 2 on Sunday |
| 22:12.38 | mindjuju | i made corban watch all pre-avenger movies |
| 22:12.58 | beandog | er, wtached, whatever |
| 22:13.03 | beandog | Ive got Captain America and Thor at home |
| 22:13.17 | beandog | haven't seen CA yet |
| 22:13.19 | beandog | Thor was epic |
| 22:13.25 | beandog | excpet for the love story, which was totally dumb |
| 22:13.38 | mindjuju | CA was good |
| 22:16.20 | beandog | can I come watch it at your house |
| 22:16.24 | beandog | my neighbors wont let me go boomy boom boom |
| 22:16.26 | mindjuju | sure |
| 22:16.30 | beandog | er, sound wise |
| 22:16.43 | mindjuju | bring your little brother |
| 22:16.50 | mindjuju | we'll do a little bbq |
| 22:16.53 | beandog | I dunno if he'd like it |
| 22:17.03 | beandog | mindjuju: that'd be awesome, man |
| 22:17.08 | mindjuju | oh, well then tell him you're busy and swing by any way |
| 22:17.11 | beandog | My bro is hard to predict when it comes to movies |
| 22:17.14 | TuxToaster | beandog: you didn't install auralex? |
| 22:17.14 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 22:17.25 | beandog | He *loved* Wrath of the Titans |
| 22:17.36 | mindjuju | haven't seen that one yet |
| 22:18.16 | mindjuju | talking about boom boom boom, beandog, i need to figure out how to get more speakers on my TV |
| 22:18.31 | beandog | more speakers? |
| 22:18.37 | beandog | I've never even seen your setup |
| 22:18.44 | mindjuju | it's just the built in speakers |
| 22:18.50 | beandog | Oh okay |
| 22:18.53 | beandog | Well you could use a receiver |
| 22:18.56 | TuxToaster | mgeary: Mubarak is still alive apparently |
| 22:18.56 | beandog | that's easy enough |
| 22:18.57 | mindjuju | i think i need some kind of receiver |
| 22:18.58 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 22:19.01 | beandog | TuxToaster: whats that? |
| 22:19.03 | TuxToaster | on life support, but was clinically dead |
| 22:19.09 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, yeah, clinic |
| 22:19.13 | mgeary | yeah, just saw that |
| 22:19.16 | mindjuju | so his noodle is dried up |
| 22:19.19 | mgeary | mea culpa |
| 22:19.19 | TuxToaster | beandog: that soundproofing foam we were talking about a while back :-) |
| 22:19.21 | beandog | mindjuju: consider your next steps carefully, though ... you're gonna start having a *lot* of cables. |
| 22:19.32 | mindjuju | well, has anybody come back once the noodle dried up? |
| 22:19.33 | TuxToaster | mgeary: no worries, just saw it as well |
| 22:19.35 | mindjuju | i don't think so |
| 22:19.35 | beandog | TuxToaster: oh, that. I dunno if I wanna do that or not. |
| 22:19.42 | mindjuju | i'll google it though |
| 22:19.43 | beandog | might be simpler to move |
| 22:19.59 | TuxToaster | heh yeah I still want to make panels I can put in my windows |
| 22:20.21 | beandog | TuxToaster: I don't wanna do it because its one of those things that it "might work" |
| 22:20.24 | beandog | and I'll be screwed if it doesn't |
| 22:20.26 | beandog | :T |
| 22:20.37 | TuxToaster | true |
| 22:20.46 | beandog | Besides, I can't exactly go over to my neighbors and ask to do some sound tests. |
| 22:20.51 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 22:20.58 | beandog | which is the whole point |
| 22:21.34 | beandog | easier to move to a basement |
| 22:21.38 | beandog | it's all good though |
| 22:21.47 | beandog | I didn't move to my current apartment with entertainment as a priority |
| 22:22.07 | beandog | there's 5 apartments next to mine |
| 22:22.16 | beandog | one on each side, and three above me |
| 22:22.23 | mindjuju | beandog, you just need to learn to cut with the grain |
| 22:22.35 | beandog | mindjuju: whats that mean |
| 22:22.48 | mindjuju | turn your music killer loud, stream the video multicast and teach them how to watch it on their laptop |
| 22:23.02 | mindjuju | win - win - win - win - win |
| 22:23.15 | beandog | mindjuju: I was actually considering that. |
| 22:23.16 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: technically: |
| 22:23.18 | TuxToaster | win - win - win |
| 22:23.23 | TuxToaster | win - win - win |
| 22:23.24 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 22:23.29 | beandog | mindjuju: letting them tap into my network share |
| 22:23.30 | mindjuju | oh, i thought he said 5 apartments aroudn him |
| 22:23.33 | beandog | that's probably not the best approach though |
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| 22:23.41 | beandog | mindjuju: yah it is |
| 22:23.43 | mindjuju | yeah, prolly no |
| 22:24.44 | beandog | Ive thought about inviting them over for movie night, too |
| 22:24.54 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 22:24.57 | mindjuju | that would work |
| 22:25.07 | beandog | eh |
| 22:25.16 | beandog | I think our tastes would be too different |
| 22:25.36 | mindjuju | who doesn't like the He-man / She-ra Christmas special? |
| 22:25.44 | beandog | good point |
| 22:25.55 | mindjuju | or watching 5 episodes of Thundar back to back? |
| 22:26.04 | beandog | such a great show |
| 22:26.16 | beandog | did you see there's a new Bourne movie coming out? |
| 22:26.18 | beandog | Sooooooooo excited |
| 22:26.32 | mindjuju | so beandog, i'm afraid to admit |
| 22:26.38 | mindjuju | i actually haven't seen any of them |
| 22:26.43 | mindjuju | though not from a lack of desire |
| 22:27.04 | beandog | of the Bourne movies? |
| 22:27.08 | mindjuju | i think i even went to wal-mart to buy it once, but they didn't have first one or something |
| 22:27.15 | mindjuju | yeah, Bourne identity |
| 22:27.28 | beandog | I like action movies, but these really stand out to me for some reason |
| 22:27.33 | mindjuju | i remember being thwarted once |
| 22:27.36 | beandog | Kind of the way Bond films do |
| 22:27.48 | mindjuju | Lethal Weapon 1,2, 3 were awesome |
| 22:27.51 | mindjuju | 4 not so much |
| 22:28.42 | mindjuju | especially this part : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ49ym9clB0 |
| 22:29.10 | mindjuju | oops, language |
| 22:29.14 | mindjuju | srry |
| 22:29.16 | beandog | few movies should have 3 sequels |
| 22:29.35 | beandog | I was trying to tell my cousin the other day how we have AWESOME comic book hero movies these days |
| 22:29.39 | beandog | and how terrible they used to be |
| 22:29.43 | beandog | I told him about Batman Forever |
| 22:29.45 | beandog | and he didn't believ eme |
| 22:30.09 | mindjuju | tho the new ones are good |
| 22:30.12 | beandog | That movie was so terrible. |
| 22:30.57 | beandog | what was the one with Val Kilmer? |
| 22:31.00 | beandog | that was terrible too |
| 22:31.15 | beandog | I cant remember what other crappy movies we put up with |
| 22:31.18 | mindjuju | kilmer was forever |
| 22:31.20 | beandog | he would know |
| 22:31.25 | beandog | mindjuju: which one was Clooney then? |
| 22:31.29 | mindjuju | batman and roban was clooney |
| 22:31.35 | mindjuju | robin, oops |
| 22:31.35 | beandog | that's right |
| 22:31.47 | mindjuju | well, batman, robin, batgirl |
| 22:32.01 | beandog | So terrible. |
| 22:32.12 | Bikerdan | Arnold Swartz |
| 22:32.15 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 22:32.16 | mindjuju | bane was so off the wall bad |
| 22:32.28 | beandog | Arnold, Uma, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Chris O Donnel |
| 22:32.30 | beandog | oh my la. |
| 22:33.01 | Bikerdan | Danny Devito |
| 22:33.08 | beandog | Batman Returns was *awesome* |
| 22:33.09 | Bikerdan | Don't forget the Penguin |
| 22:33.23 | beandog | fungus: what were some of the horrible comic book hero movies we had to endure in 80s / 90s |
| 22:33.25 | beandog | I can't remember |
| 22:33.34 | beandog | Batman movies were all I could think of |
| 22:33.49 | beandog | the one Hulk movie was terrible, the first one |
| 22:33.53 | fungus | I blocked out the bad ones. |
| 22:34.28 | Bikerdan | There were some Superman movies... Don't remember them very well. |
| 22:34.29 | fungus | Robocop? Supergirl? |
| 22:34.58 | beandog | I still haven't seen Supergirl |
| 22:35.05 | fungus | you don't want to |
| 22:35.13 | beandog | geek movie night! |
| 22:35.14 | mindjuju | there was a captin america from the 80s |
| 22:35.16 | mindjuju | let's see |
| 22:35.21 | beandog | mindjuju: yah I remember that, and a He-Man too |
| 22:35.26 | mindjuju | there was a Flash (NOT FLASH GORDON) |
| 22:35.27 | beandog | I haven't seen those |
| 22:35.32 | mindjuju | which was supremely awesome |
| 22:35.35 | beandog | Flash! aaaaaaaaah-aaah |
| 22:35.35 | Bikerdan | Dick Tracy |
| 22:35.39 | beandog | Dick Tracy! |
| 22:35.40 | beandog | Yes |
| 22:35.41 | beandog | Oh my terrible. |
| 22:35.42 | mindjuju | yup, dick tracy |
| 22:35.45 | Bikerdan | The Rocketeer |
| 22:35.50 | beandog | Rocketeer was halfway okay |
| 22:35.51 | mindjuju | loved rocketeer |
| 22:35.54 | Bikerdan | Judge Dredd |
| 22:35.57 | mindjuju | with jennifer connelly |
| 22:36.04 | beandog | Bikerdan: it's getting remade |
| 22:36.13 | Bikerdan | I just read that. |
| 22:36.17 | mindjuju | punisher was late 90s i think |
| 22:36.18 | beandog | I saw a poster for Dredd in the theater |
| 22:36.18 | Bikerdan | When? |
| 22:36.19 | mindjuju | maybe 2k |
| 22:36.44 | mindjuju | ghost rider 1 (nick cage) alright, ghost rider 2 (nick cage) AWFUL |
| 22:37.15 | Bikerdan | TMNT |
| 22:37.35 | mindjuju | oh true, TMNT 1,2,3, TMNT (Cartoon) |
| 22:37.41 | Bikerdan | TimeCop |
| 22:38.25 | beandog | WHAT |
| 22:38.30 | beandog | TMNT was awesome |
| 22:38.33 | beandog | Oh, the live action? |
| 22:38.36 | beandog | #2 and #3 were terrible |
| 22:38.38 | beandog | ice, ice, baby |
| 22:38.46 | mindjuju | yeah, 1 was good, 2 and 3 not so much |
| 22:38.50 | mindjuju | the caroon was good |
| 22:39.05 | beandog | the cartoon was good |
| 22:39.12 | mindjuju | had Jean luc Picard |
| 22:39.27 | Bikerdan | Blade |
| 22:39.51 | Bikerdan | The Mask |
| 22:39.58 | beandog | oh gosh |
| 22:40.01 | beandog | The Mask was terrrrrrrrible |
| 22:40.08 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:41.34 | Bikerdan | Spawn |
| 22:42.12 | mindjuju | i can't believe we missed Darkman |
| 22:42.17 | mindjuju | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_superhero_films |
| 22:42.18 | Bikerdan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_English-language_comics |
| 22:42.25 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 22:42.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:42.29 | john_anderson | +1 for Rocketeer (watched it last week, actually) |
| 22:42.31 | Bikerdan | Beatcha |
| 22:42.46 | mindjuju | great minds, i think this is like second time this has happened :) |
| 22:42.51 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:42.55 | Bikerdan | Must be true |
| 22:43.20 | Bikerdan | Howard the Duck |
| 22:43.36 | mindjuju | i freely admit, i LIKED howard the duck |
| 22:43.41 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:43.43 | mindjuju | with Lea Tompson and Tim Robbins |
| 22:43.50 | mindjuju | oh and Jermey Jones |
| 22:44.00 | Bikerdan | It's been WAAAAY to long for me to remember if I liked it or not. |
| 22:44.16 | mindjuju | most people HATE it |
| 22:44.25 | macnewbold | Howard the Duck is on Netflix somtimes :) it was awesome |
| 22:45.45 | Bikerdan | Captain America 2, Thor 2, and Avengers 2 are coming in the next few years. |
| 22:46.02 | Bikerdan | And I can't wait for Wonder Woman. |
| 22:46.09 | Bikerdan | I'm sure it's gonna be amazing. |
| 22:46.24 | Bikerdan | I hope she wears those really tall shorts. |
| 22:48.00 | macnewbold | the shorts are hilarious… so short, yet they go up half way to her shoulders |
| 22:48.08 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:48.17 | Bikerdan | Soon, they'll be back in style. |
| 22:48.50 | Bikerdan | Maybe we could lead the craze. Start a Kickstarter project or something. |
| 22:49.44 | Bikerdan | Of course we'd have to find someone to model them. |
| 22:49.56 | Bikerdan | Cause I'm not wearin em. |
| 22:50.13 | macnewbold | eww |
| 22:50.16 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 22:50.20 | Bikerdan | Sorry |
| 22:50.31 | Bikerdan | Go ahead and take the rest of the day off. |
| 22:51.32 | TuxToaster | you know, the next 9 minutes. |
| 22:52.37 | mindjuju | wait what? |
| 22:52.49 | mindjuju | wonder woman was cancelled shortly after they dropped Joss |
| 22:52.57 | Bikerdan | WHAT?! |
| 22:53.16 | Bikerdan | So there's no Wonder Woman? |
| 22:53.32 | mindjuju | hang on, looks like this was updated |
| 22:54.15 | mindjuju | i think this is all tied into DC announce of JLA movie being written |
| 22:54.40 | mindjuju | Bikerdan - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451279/ |
| 22:54.53 | mindjuju | it used to have joss info, then they canned him, don't know why |
| 22:55.05 | mindjuju | and then joss went on to do the avengers, which kicked some major butt |
| 22:55.13 | mindjuju | and who ever ran WW project is dumb |
| 22:55.18 | Bikerdan | Yep |
| 22:55.20 | Bikerdan | Loser |
| 22:55.32 | beandog | ww project? |
| 22:56.39 | mindjuju | afaik, WW was going to be a movie with Joss, then they scrapped that for a TV show with Joss and that was scrapped for a TV show without Joss and the pilot and pictures came out |
| 22:56.42 | mindjuju | and everybody hated it |
| 22:56.48 | mindjuju | and the whole thing got trashed |
| 22:56.50 | beandog | lol |
| 22:56.51 | mindjuju | afaik |
| 22:56.55 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 22:57.08 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:57.10 | raifbot | whips out his power stapler and staples jnbek's foot to the floor. |
| 22:57.13 | Bikerdan | Michael Goldenberg has been brought on for Wonder WOman |
| 22:57.20 | mindjuju | don't you remember the skin tight WW outfit that "leaked" on the internet |
| 22:57.20 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you back to picking on jnbek now? |
| 22:57.20 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Cannot predict now. |
| 22:57.28 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about now? |
| 22:57.29 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 22:57.37 | TuxToaster | meh. |
| 22:57.48 | Bikerdan | http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91071 |
| 22:58.21 | mindjuju | here is part info on tv scrap - http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/12/nbc-rejects-wonder-woman/ |
| 23:00.12 | mindjuju | so here is pic of WW - some might think it's NSFW, but she's fully clothed, just skin tight latex - http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/18/wonder-woman-adrianne-palicki-photo/ |
| 23:00.33 | mindjuju | i can get away with it because it's a costume, and I work for a costume shop |
| 23:02.10 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:02.25 | TuxToaster | logic fail. |
| 23:02.37 | mindjuju | yeah, it's a stretch |
| 23:02.43 | mindjuju | it's also 5:02p |
| 23:03.09 | beandog | I see what you did there |
| 23:03.28 | mindjuju | ? |
| 23:03.58 | carmony | beandog: which presentation are we talking about? This thursday's? |
| 23:04.16 | beandog | carmony: yah |
| 23:04.19 | beandog | mindjuju: it's a stretch? |
| 23:04.36 | beandog | carmony: what happened |
| 23:04.42 | beandog | do you need a boss mode button? |
| 23:05.17 | mindjuju | that foot pedal thing that thinkgeek sales looks awesome for that |
| 23:06.11 | beandog | link? |
| 23:07.22 | mindjuju | hmm, they don't have it listed, but i'll find it here shortly |
| 23:07.29 | mindjuju | my padawan was going to buy this http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/2940/?srp=1 |
| 23:07.43 | mindjuju | but i told him no, and showed him how to do it with plausible denyability |
| 23:08.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:08.33 | TuxToaster | they're kind of staples of engineers desks |
| 23:08.46 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/thanko_usb_stealth_switch.php |
| 23:08.56 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, the prob is no plausible denyability |
| 23:09.15 | TuxToaster | + $10 for a mirror that shouldn't cost more than $5 |
| 23:09.22 | beandog | mindjuju: lol no way |
| 23:09.34 | mindjuju | so instead what i had padawan do is make an "assorment" of handy dandy install CDs and utility CDs possitioned carefully so that he coudl see behind him |
| 23:09.47 | beandog | LOL |
| 23:09.49 | beandog | srsly? |
| 23:09.52 | beandog | that is awesome! |
| 23:09.57 | mindjuju | sure, i'm his boss |
| 23:10.01 | beandog | how do you position them? |
| 23:10.03 | mindjuju | if i want to track him, i track him like fungus |
| 23:10.10 | mindjuju | network snoop |
| 23:10.17 | mindjuju | but i don't need to so i don't worry about it |
| 23:10.32 | mindjuju | plus, we're pretty busy and i know where he is on projects because of redmine |
| 23:10.34 | mindjuju | so we good |
| 23:10.54 | mindjuju | just position the CDs on the cube wall so that you can look up and see behind you |
| 23:11.00 | mindjuju | brb, i'll take pic |
| 23:11.12 | Bikerdan | Mindjuju: We need to come up with a USB laser detection mechanism that would do the same thing. When the boss breaks the beam, it switches. |
| 23:11.15 | beandog | I like redmine |
| 23:11.20 | beandog | mindjuju: yah pics would be awesome |
| 23:11.58 | Bikerdan | Or motion detection. |
| 23:12.01 | Bikerdan | That would work too. |
| 23:13.54 | mindjuju | http://screencast.com/t/cXMJp9y822 |
| 23:14.06 | mindjuju | sorry, had to crop a little because h'es got some stuff on his cube wall |
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| 23:15.19 | Bikerdan | Funny |
| 23:15.56 | mindjuju | ugh, i can't stand bad marketing - http://gizmodo.com/5919521/microsoft-surface-just-made-the-macbook-air-and-the-ipad-obsolete?popular=true |
| 23:16.11 | beandog | mindjuju: lol, can you be my boss? |
| 23:16.18 | mindjuju | we don't even have a hardware spec sheet, we've not really tried to run anything on the thing, and it's already killed the ipad |
| 23:16.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:16.34 | beandog | hipsters killed the ipad |
| 23:16.48 | mindjuju | i don't want to be a hipster |
| 23:17.00 | mindjuju | that's why i don't go to concerts any more |
| 23:17.02 | mindjuju | too old |
| 23:17.22 | mindjuju | and i don't want to see journey now, i want to remember them as they were, not old rockers still rocking it |
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| 23:18.13 | mindjuju | it would be cooler if it was motorized |
| 23:18.28 | beandog | lol thats awsesome |
| 23:18.31 | beandog | I have the Star Trek one |
| 23:18.34 | beandog | but I don't wanna ruin it |
| 23:18.39 | beandog | I'd use that one though |
| 23:18.45 | beandog | ugh |
| 23:18.48 | beandog | they need new hand models |
| 23:18.54 | beandog | that guy (or girl) is gonna get hair all over my food |
| 23:19.17 | ninnypants | mindjuju: the keyboard on that looks terrible |
| 23:22.39 | mindjuju | yeah it does |
| 23:22.41 | mindjuju | i'm not a fan |
| 23:23.42 | ninnypants | reminds me of those old keyboards that were so "cool" cause you could roll them up |
| 23:23.59 | mindjuju | heh, yeah, the USB plasticy ones |
| 23:24.27 | ninnypants | yeah the ones that were just a bunch of raised keys in some weird gel |
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