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| 13:07.53 | josephscott | might be handy for carmony https://github.com/kumarnitin/RedisLive#readme |
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| 14:30.16 | mindjuju | hi macnewbold |
| 14:30.20 | mindjuju | did you find a speaker? |
| 14:30.34 | macnewbold | yeah, carmony has a preso he's going to bust out |
| 14:30.42 | macnewbold | sounded cool, one I haven't heard him talk about before |
| 14:30.55 | macnewbold | graphite, statsd, and real-time statistics iirc |
| 14:31.42 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org | Meeting 6/21, 7pm@C7: carmony on graphite, statsd, and real-time statistics |
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| 14:34.06 | mindjuju | i think i can get you a preson for August, if you need one |
| 14:34.12 | mindjuju | when is the next one you don't have somebody for? |
| 14:34.42 | captbrogers | Whoa, logged in during a very awkward moment of conversation. Those last two lines lack a lot of context. |
| 14:34.49 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 14:34.52 | captbrogers | I'm assuming we're discussing the next meetup? |
| 14:35.07 | mindjuju | nope |
| 14:35.20 | captbrogers | So we really are looking to start trafficking humans? |
| 14:35.28 | mindjuju | it's what you thought it was Mr. Furley :) |
| 14:35.31 | captbrogers | My silence is costly |
| 14:37.42 | captbrogers | What? I'm evolving! |
| 14:38.46 | captbrogers | Now, who is young enought to get that referece? |
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| 14:40.22 | mindjuju | reddit? |
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| 14:40.55 | captbrogers | Nope, old Pokemon games from the late 90's / early 2000's |
| 14:41.40 | mindjuju | i just learned yesterday that pikachu was a mouse |
| 14:41.50 | captbrogers | I did, and a lot. I was a kid in that weird group that would bring our Game Boys to school and play at lunch |
| 14:41.51 | mindjuju | it was on 100 top games evar |
| 14:42.32 | TuxToaster | my wife knows more about them than I do. |
| 14:43.27 | mindjuju | my son knows a pokemon, but it's from super mario brawl |
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| 14:49.02 | Utah_Dave | A friend and I had a good laugh about his son this weekend. My friend turned to me and pointed at this son and said "He doesn't know what the original Nintendo is!!" |
| 14:49.50 | Utah_Dave | Then his son said, "Do you mean the Gameboy Advance?" |
| 14:49.53 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 14:49.55 | TuxToaster | my kid does |
| 14:50.02 | TuxToaster | I've got an original still in the box |
| 14:51.01 | TuxToaster | unfortunately the box itself isn't as pristine as I would have liked, it's been scuffed up a bit as we've moved and such, but the console itself has only been used a few times |
| 14:52.33 | mindjuju | hilarous Utah_Dave! |
| 14:52.44 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, you keeping it for sale later? |
| 14:53.09 | TuxToaster | maybe, not sure if I'd ever actually sell it |
| 14:53.34 | TuxToaster | but if nothing else maybe my kid will be able to sell it when he's older or something. lol |
| 14:53.42 | mindjuju | yeah, fo sho! |
| 14:54.29 | TuxToaster | can't complain, I found it at DI about 11 years ago for $10 |
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| 14:54.50 | mindjuju | oh man, ravetrax is playing some good stuff |
| 14:55.00 | TuxToaster | looks like whoever had it likely bought one for their kids or grandkids or something, maybe [played it a time or two and then boxed it up and stored it. |
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| 15:09.54 | captbrogers | Anyone have a good bash script to convert mp3 to ogg using ffmpeg? |
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| 15:11.28 | herlo | captbrogers: ask beandog when he's around. |
| 15:11.37 | mahelious | http://kotaku.com/5919004/a-rite-of-passage-in-the-legend-of-zelda-now-shared-by-father-and-son?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_twitter&utm_source=kotaku_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow |
| 15:11.48 | mahelious | thats why im keeping my nes/snes around |
| 15:11.48 | herlo | captbrogers: though I have one for gstreamer, I think |
| 15:13.48 | captbrogers | I can install gstreamer if I haven't already. Is it a simple script? |
| 15:14.19 | herlo | yes, gstreamer is available in most Linux distros, I hear it sort of works in winders these days too |
| 15:14.24 | herlo | http://gstreamer.org |
| 15:14.41 | captbrogers | I know what it is, I've installed it before. I just can't remember if I installed it on my server already |
| 15:16.15 | herlo | captbrogers: it's a c library, the script is pretty simple, but gstreamer uses a pipeline, unlike ffmpeg which is usually a single command line with lots of options |
| 15:16.45 | captbrogers | Send it to my gmail account. Same as my IRC handle |
| 15:17.27 | herlo | captbrogers: okay, it's not on this computer, so I'll have to go digging in my backups. |
| 15:17.38 | captbrogers | Okay |
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| 15:36.10 | mahelious | wb NoCoolName_Tom. hows the new place? |
| 15:36.15 | josephscott | cpu hacking: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/18/3092949/security-vulnerability-x86-64-intel-processor |
| 15:40.23 | NoCoolName_Tom | Pretty cool; downtown SanFran. They just moved, so it's currently me figuring out how to use irssi on my chromebook helping set up peoples workstations. |
| 15:41.08 | NoCoolName_Tom | er, *while* helping. |
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| 16:04.23 | mindjuju | fungus or herlo, either of you around? |
| 16:06.12 | fungus | i'm here |
| 16:06.19 | mindjuju | i've got a folder like /home/user1/pub_files that i need to give a particular user perms to modify, current file ownership is user1:user1 , is it best practice to put the user needing to modify as a member of the user1 group and then ensure that group has perms to modify ? |
| 16:06.43 | mindjuju | the particular user needing perms to modify, let's call user2, just to keep things clear |
| 16:07.16 | fungus | no, the group named "user1" is for user1 only |
| 16:07.29 | fungus | make a new group with both user1 and user2 |
| 16:07.42 | fungus | change that folder to be owned by that group and set it group writable |
| 16:07.52 | mindjuju | glad i asked |
| 16:07.53 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 16:08.45 | fungus | $google user private groups |
| 16:08.46 | raifbot | fungus searching http://www.google.com/search?q=user+private+groups -- http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html -- http://security.ias.edu/how-and-why-user-private-groups-unix -- http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/09/using_user_private_groups.html |
| 16:09.12 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 16:09.46 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 16:09.46 | raifbot | Death once had a near-Chuck Norris experience |
| 16:11.09 | mahelious | ugh, friggin noisy co-workers. must be five separate conversations taking place around me. |
| 16:11.36 | john_anderson | headphones ftw |
| 16:11.47 | mindjuju | or heads to the server room if its really bad |
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| 16:12.01 | john_anderson | your server room is quiet? that's probably bad |
| 16:12.03 | john_anderson | ;) |
| 16:12.11 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 16:12.11 | raifbot | farts in gshipley's general direction. |
| 16:12.12 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 16:12.12 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that SunSparc is stuck to the floor |
| 16:12.36 | hhatfield | ~jar me |
| 16:12.36 | ibot | hhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "Bikerdan !" |
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| 16:18.47 | TuxToaster | $lart hhatfield |
| 16:18.48 | raifbot | decapitates hhatfield conan the destroyer style. |
| 16:19.17 | hhatfield | with a cool austrian accent? Awesome! |
| 16:20.47 | captbrogers | mahelious: In those situations I just make everyone feel very awkward. That usually gets the silence I want but sadly that means my wife replies with: "Guess you get to make dinner for yourself tonight..." |
| 16:22.33 | TuxToaster | john_anderson: actually, I used to have an office in a server room |
| 16:22.44 | TuxToaster | the ambient noise isn't so bad. |
| 16:23.02 | TuxToaster | some days I'd prefer it to dead silence |
| 16:23.03 | john_anderson | most server rooms I've been have white noise so loud you can't converse very easily |
| 16:23.31 | TuxToaster | yeah if I opened my door it was a bit louder |
| 16:23.42 | TuxToaster | but with the door closed it was bearable. |
| 16:23.48 | TuxToaster | probably helps that my hearing sucks though. :P |
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| 16:43.26 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, yup exactly on the white noise in the server room |
| 16:43.56 | mindjuju | i don't use headphones in there, i bought a cheap radio system from the DI w/ huge honking speakers and blare techno |
| 16:44.06 | mindjuju | it's out in the warehouse and the warehouse manager don't mind it |
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| 16:48.04 | mindjuju | hey bikerdan, you around? |
| 16:48.11 | Bikerdan | Sup? |
| 16:48.19 | mindjuju | did you see this? |
| 16:48.26 | mindjuju | http://blog.lastpass.com/2012/06/lastpass-20-managing-and-protecting.html |
| 16:48.48 | mindjuju | lastpass now offers secure attachments, for paid users, it's up to 1GB of crypto-protected attachment! |
| 16:48.50 | mindjuju | w00t! |
| 16:48.59 | Bikerdan | I saw an alert come up showing there was an update... Didn't look really close at it. |
| 16:49.08 | Bikerdan | Nic. |
| 16:49.09 | Bikerdan | e |
| 16:49.12 | Bikerdan | Not bad |
| 16:49.20 | Bikerdan | Are you a premium user? |
| 16:49.25 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:49.43 | mindjuju | and i bought the bookmark service since it was xmarks and i was using xmarks before they almost drowned |
| 16:50.06 | Bikerdan | What's up with that? Haven't really looked at it either. |
| 16:50.09 | macnewbold | mindjuju: how's that different from their "secure notes"? just bigger stuff, and not necessarily simple text? |
| 16:50.32 | mindjuju | macnewbold, here is their use-case For example: Let's say you're traveling abroad. To prepare for the trip, store a photocopy of your passport as an attachment in LastPass. If your passport is stolen, you can locate a computer, login to LastPass, open the attachment, and print it. You now have a helpful resource for replacing your lost passport. |
| 16:50.37 | tierra | haha... what a *great* 2.0 "feature": "Free credit monitoring alerts for users in the United States" |
| 16:50.45 | tierra | I'm stoked about that! |
| 16:52.14 | mindjuju | maybe i'm wrong and don't fully understand the banking / credit systems, but me paying for "fraud activity protection" because the CC agencies have lax security doesn't seem quite right |
| 16:52.48 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: agree |
| 16:52.52 | Bikerdan | Their vault is a lot nicer looking now too. |
| 16:53.36 | herlo | mindjuju: I find that the Credit Union I use doesn't have lax security, nor does amex. I've been notified several times in the recent past of instances where someone was trying to use my cc fraudulently and they took care of everything for me. |
| 16:53.57 | herlo | though I don't think I've ever seen 'fraud activity protection' as a charge either |
| 16:54.14 | mindjuju | i'm actually meaning a level higher than the local credit union, i meaning people who steal your info, file for new CCs with banks you've never heard of |
| 16:54.23 | mindjuju | or file for loans, etc |
| 16:54.55 | mindjuju | i mean for crying out loud, some guy stole george lucas identity and got CCs all from a forbes article |
| 16:55.18 | mindjuju | i read it a while ago |
| 16:55.33 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:56.23 | mindjuju | w00t - http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88458&page=1#.T99dnrCe6h0 |
| 16:57.54 | mindjuju | i can only make it about half way this this version of thestory because i get a headache from rolling my eyes after each goofy thing he does and the data he gets from it |
| 16:59.21 | herlo | mindjuju: that's crazy |
| 16:59.32 | mindjuju | totally |
| 16:59.46 | mindjuju | and thus, a new industry is born, identity theft protection |
| 16:59.55 | mindjuju | protect us from lax security |
| 17:02.06 | TuxToaster | "The NYPD gradually unraveled the electronic trail left by Abdallah and nabbed him last month in dramatic circumstances after a sting operation, with the arresting officer diving through the sun roof of Abdallah's car to handcuff him." |
| 17:02.11 | TuxToaster | I would have paid to see that. |
| 17:02.41 | mindjuju | yeah, sounds like a lethal weapon movie |
| 17:04.19 | TuxToaster | my thought is there is a problem if he was able to just send an official-looking letterhead to a credit bureau and pull full credit reports & SSN's without having the SSN first. |
| 17:04.56 | mindjuju | i'm with ya there TuxToaster |
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| 17:05.54 | carmony | goooooooooooood morning |
| 17:06.02 | Bikerdan | But it's on paper... It must be official. |
| 17:07.31 | TuxToaster | http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/17/3091831/nook-simple-touch-hack-macintosh-classic-os lol |
| 17:08.24 | mindjuju | hmm, that reminds me of apple's first foray into the hand-held market |
| 17:08.56 | mindjuju | had a friend with one |
| 17:12.01 | TuxToaster | well, if anyone finds a random terminal laying around, apparently NoCoolName_Tom is missing one. |
| 17:12.11 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:12.43 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: yup, Newtons are still loved by some crazies out there |
| 17:14.54 | Monnok | $rlart |
| 17:14.54 | raifbot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to optikal, and goes postal. |
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| 17:23.53 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: you have Apple fans, and then you have... whoever would make or buy this: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1461054097 |
| 17:27.54 | captbrogers | what...the... |
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| 17:28.42 | captbrogers | New hobby: Go to a chinese (or any foreign) web forum and randomly browse it's content. |
| 17:32.56 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 18:04.45 | mgeary | you know, i like pandora |
| 18:05.01 | mgeary | but dang it all, they really need to mix it up with their advertising |
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| 18:49.57 | mindjuju | mgeary, i don't know why you say goodbye; i say hello |
| 18:56.54 | unum | anyone else using videojs ? |
| 19:01.50 | mgeary | can someone help me mount (possibly format) a new drive on a remote Ubuntu machine? |
| 19:01.58 | mgeary | i'm told the partition has been created, but it's not mounted |
| 19:02.16 | mindjuju | fdisk -l |
| 19:02.17 | mgeary | when i type "mount", i see several lines of output. Is one of them the partition that i can mount? |
| 19:02.28 | mindjuju | that will list all partitions and drive info |
| 19:02.30 | mgeary | okay |
| 19:02.32 | mgeary | i see it |
| 19:02.40 | mgeary | i think |
| 19:02.44 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.05 | mgeary | ah. no |
| 19:03.09 | mgeary | Disk /dev/sdb: 322.1 GB, 322122547200 bytes |
| 19:03.23 | mgeary | so how do i mount that at, say, /media ? |
| 19:03.25 | mindjuju | did you want to permanently mount, or just temporarily ? |
| 19:03.38 | mindjuju | man my spelling is off today |
| 19:03.40 | mgeary | permanently |
| 19:04.06 | mindjuju | nano /etc/fstab |
| 19:04.31 | mindjuju | now, i just know the basic stuff, fungus or herlo know more on this |
| 19:04.32 | mahelious | s/nano/vim :D |
| 19:05.45 | mindjuju | so mgeary, i've taken you out of step on this, sorry, you do want to create a folder as a "mount point" |
| 19:06.02 | mindjuju | so you were saying /media , you could make a dir at /media/myHDD |
| 19:06.03 | fungus | mgeary, is the drive partitioned? |
| 19:06.07 | fungus | fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 19:06.16 | mindjuju | and then you'd mount it in fstab |
| 19:06.20 | fungus | Has it been formatted? |
| 19:06.23 | mindjuju | whew! fungus is here |
| 19:06.25 | mgeary | fungus: i am not sure |
| 19:06.37 | mgeary | i was just told that a 300gb partition has been created |
| 19:07.17 | fungus | The most important, and first step is to be positive exactly where this new "partition" is located. |
| 19:07.35 | fungus | Performing any other steps on the wrong one could be disastrous |
| 19:07.36 | jsmith | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 19:08.04 | mgeary | jsmith: here is the relevant line of that output: |
| 19:08.05 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.17 | fungus | mgeary, is there an sdb1? |
| 19:08.23 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:08.25 | fungus | or sdb[0-9] |
| 19:08.48 | jsmith | mgeary: What does the sdb1 line look like? |
| 19:08.54 | mgeary | 1, 2, 5 |
| 19:08.56 | mgeary | wait |
| 19:08.57 | mgeary | dorry |
| 19:09.03 | mgeary | those are all sda, not sdb |
| 19:09.21 | mgeary | there is only "sdb" nothing more with sdb as a prefix |
| 19:09.38 | jsmith | Sounds like you haven't created a partition on sdb then |
| 19:09.42 | fungus | ok, so you have a new raw disk w/ no partitions |
| 19:10.38 | fungus | order: Partition, mkfs, mkdir <mountpoint>, vim /etc/fstab, mount <mountpoint> |
| 19:11.22 | mindjuju | you could nano /etc/fstab but it's a -1 to geekCred |
| 19:11.30 | fungus | lol, yup |
| 19:11.50 | macnewbold | just do alias vi=nano first |
| 19:11.59 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:11.59 | fungus | eww |
| 19:12.19 | mgeary | ok, so how do i partition? |
| 19:12.22 | fungus | mgeary, you can use "cfdisk /dev/sdb" to partition it, pretty easy for noobs |
| 19:13.09 | mgeary | ok |
| 19:13.12 | mgeary | primary or logical? |
| 19:13.40 | fungus | primary |
| 19:13.54 | fungus | unless you plan to slice this up into many small parts |
| 19:13.56 | mgeary | no |
| 19:13.59 | mgeary | bootable? |
| 19:14.04 | fungus | no |
| 19:14.11 | fungus | it's just data, right? |
| 19:14.14 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:14.25 | mgeary | so the defaults are probably good |
| 19:14.36 | fungus | Yup, even partition type defaults are good |
| 19:14.39 | mgeary | select write? |
| 19:14.51 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: you mean alias nano = vi |
| 19:15.03 | fungus | mgeary, yes |
| 19:15.13 | macnewbold | mgeary: not so much... |
| 19:15.18 | mgeary | hmm |
| 19:15.21 | TuxToaster | unless you're on one of fungus' boxes, and you want to drive him nuts. |
| 19:15.23 | macnewbold | s/mgeary/TuxToaster/ |
| 19:15.36 | mgeary | how do i confirm that it wrote it? |
| 19:15.43 | macnewbold | mgeary: cat? |
| 19:15.43 | fungus | cat /proc/partitions |
| 19:15.53 | fungus | you should see sdb1 now |
| 19:15.56 | mgeary | got it. yep |
| 19:16.04 | fungus | now format it |
| 19:16.09 | fungus | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:16.19 | fungus | unless you want a diff fs |
| 19:16.32 | mgeary | works for me |
| 19:16.51 | mahelious | alles uber reiser! |
| 19:17.03 | fungus | lol, killyourwifefs |
| 19:18.10 | macnewbold | haha |
| 19:18.15 | macnewbold | saw that one coming |
| 19:18.39 | mgeary | ok, so i've now created my destination directory, and am now editing fstab |
| 19:18.40 | mindjuju | yeah, but did you see this? |
| 19:18.41 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt macnewbold |
| 19:18.41 | ibot | ACTION summons the french taunter! macnewbold is an English bedwetting type! |
| 19:19.24 | mgeary | do i need to get a UUID somehow? |
| 19:19.40 | fungus | You don't have to |
| 19:19.51 | fungus | You can just specify /dev/sdb1 instead of the UUID=... |
| 19:19.58 | mgeary | ok |
| 19:20.12 | mgeary | any options to specify? |
| 19:20.18 | mgeary | rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8, etc |
| 19:20.34 | fungus | don't use: user,noauto |
| 19:20.39 | fungus | those would be bad |
| 19:20.43 | macnewbold | auto ftw |
| 19:20.49 | fungus | using "defaults" is just fine in most cases. |
| 19:21.41 | mgeary | so, leave them all blank? |
| 19:21.58 | fungus | No, use the word "defaults" for the options column |
| 19:22.23 | fungus | eg: /dev/sdb1 /mnt ext4 defaults 1 0 |
| 19:22.26 | TuxToaster | wow, Reiser killed his wife? |
| 19:22.42 | fungus | Tux, yup. |
| 19:23.00 | TuxToaster | bad enough to go to prison for somethign like that, has to be worse to be a computer nerd on top of it :P |
| 19:23.26 | fungus | Not if he becomes the bitch of the biggest guy there on the first day. |
| 19:24.08 | mgeary | fungus: awesome. i think i'm all set now |
| 19:24.27 | mgeary | mount /storage and "df -k" shows me that partition now mounted |
| 19:24.31 | mgeary | thanks, guys |
| 19:24.35 | mgeary | ~fungus++ |
| 19:24.39 | mgeary | ~mindjuju++ |
| 19:25.04 | fungus | nice |
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| 19:25.31 | mindjuju | +1 alt movie source, Office Space, the lawyer says it |
| 19:26.38 | mindjuju | so fungus, when you buy computers for CSRs or other employees, do you buy to assemble or buy prebuilt Dells or whatever ? |
| 19:26.53 | fungus | Dells |
| 19:27.07 | mindjuju | k |
| 19:27.19 | fungus | Way too much work to build individual machines at that scale |
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| 19:36.33 | TuxToaster | fungus: well, apparently he was beaten by several prisoners within the first few months, so there's that. |
| 19:36.44 | TuxToaster | still amazing. |
| 19:37.47 | TuxToaster | funny part is the FS is just like its creator... seems normal most of the time, but then suddenly and inexplicably kills all of your data. |
| 19:38.39 | fungus | lol, the FS was pretty good, best alternative in my opinion, until ext3 came out |
| 19:39.13 | TuxToaster | it works well for smaller partitions, I've always used it for /var and /tmp |
| 19:39.37 | TuxToaster | but I've had it corrupt an entire parition a couple of times |
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| 19:40.21 | fungus | I've never had a problem with it, at least not one caused by the FS itself. |
| 19:40.32 | TuxToaster | though one of those I can't be certain was directly due to the FS... could have just been some data corruption in general. The other definitely was, but it was quite some time ago. |
| 19:40.32 | fungus | usually hardware related |
| 19:40.53 | fungus | Much better track record then ext2 in my experience |
| 19:43.01 | TuxToaster | yeah, it's decent. I still use it on the smaller partitions, and ext3 for the bigger ones. I tried XFS on a box once back when Gentoo was presenting it as a better alternative, but didn't care for it |
| 19:43.49 | fungus | I never used XFS in production anywhere, but played with it back when I had the energy to use Gentoo |
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| 19:55.52 | fungus | LOL, Linus to NVidia, NSFW (or headphones) for language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&feature=youtu.be&hd=1&t=48m9s |
| 19:57.06 | TuxToaster | OMG I just saw an Adobe ad that says I can create engaging web applications with less code. I need to switch to ColdFusion! |
| 19:57.42 | TuxToaster | fungus: I didn't use it in "production" per se. The box I ran it off of was a server at my house. Was hosting some small sites with it, but nothing critical |
| 19:57.44 | fungus | hmm, priorities in the wrong place, Adobe? |
| 20:01.18 | hhatfield | I told somebody the other day that I do web programming. His response "So you use Dreamweaver?" |
| 20:12.09 | macnewbold | eww |
| 20:12.19 | macnewbold | i should ~language for that |
| 20:12.41 | macnewbold | D****W***** |
| 20:13.40 | TuxToaster | $lart macnewbold |
| 20:13.40 | raifbot | eats macnewbold's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. |
| 20:14.14 | TuxToaster | hhatfield: wow |
| 20:14.33 | TuxToaster | yeah, I still am shocked when you hire a dev for a PHP position and they want to use DW |
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| 20:17.14 | macnewbold | yeah, normally you'd weed out stuff like that before actually hiring them |
| 20:17.29 | macnewbold | though we somehow had a guy who _likes_ windows sneak through our process apparently |
| 20:18.01 | TuxToaster | I could see that in an interview... "what IDE do you use?" "Dreamweaver" |
| 20:18.20 | TuxToaster | *cuts to a shot from outside the building, and you see the candidate fly from the second story window" |
| 20:18.48 | macnewbold | reminds me of a kids movie, where David Spade plays a talking llama |
| 20:19.29 | macnewbold | ah yes, emperor's new groove |
| 20:19.34 | Monnok | Dont mess with the Groove |
| 20:20.42 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 20:24.04 | jsmith | macnewbold: I got that movie for Father's Day :-p |
| 20:24.34 | TuxToaster | I need to get it on DVD. I think we've worn out the VHS |
| 20:25.32 | TuxToaster | someone really ought to make a parody of that though. Have a guy come in for a job interview and answer a question like that, and have everyone stop what they're doing and look, then *punt* |
| 20:27.37 | tierra | fungus: Linus definitely doesn't hold back when something has pissed him off |
| 20:27.58 | tierra | saw him on G+ the other day cussing out Gnome Shell |
| 20:28.28 | fungus | lol, nice |
| 20:29.22 | TuxToaster | he sure spends a lot of time cussing out projects |
| 20:30.02 | TuxToaster | seems like if he were more constructive people wouldn't take such a hard stance against his opinions |
| 20:30.51 | TuxToaster | like that one a while back about git commit messages not wrapping correctly because of github's handling of them. |
| 20:31.41 | TuxToaster | I completely see his point, but there are many better ways to handle it than lambasting them in a thread because you don't like how they do something. |
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| 20:32.50 | fungus | I've been using Gnome Shell for over a week now. There's a lot of cool stuff I like, but I miss most of Unity |
| 20:33.12 | mindjuju | seems right |
| 20:33.57 | mindjuju | darn - 1630s, from lam (1590s, ultimately from a Scandinavian source, cf. O.N. lemja "to beat, to lame") + baste "to thrash" (see baste). Related: Lambasted; lambasting. |
| 20:34.23 | tierra | with Gnome Shell, this was just like a month ago, and he was pissed about not finding font size settings among a few things, and even thought it was missing large fonts for accessibility even though default gnome shell has a big accessibility icon in the top dash with several simple switches to turn on large fonts among a bunch of other accessibility tools |
| 20:36.24 | tierra | admittedly, it's a little harder to figure out how to customize the fonts exactly, but it's right in the same spot it was in gnome 2.12... he claims to have gone through the extensions, and one of the most popular adds settings menu items to get to those (among other popular settings) |
| 20:37.11 | tierra | but yeah, he's quick to jump the gun and just start publically cussing out both companies and open source developers |
| 20:37.35 | TuxToaster | yeah, my thought is... you post a support request and say "How do I do this? I can't find them." or file a regression bug or whatever |
| 20:37.40 | fungus | I had a Font issue when I first installed, no anti-aliasing was enabled. Had to create some symbolic links in /etc somewhere. |
| 20:37.51 | fungus | But that's a Fedora thing, not a Gnome Shell thing, AFAIK |
| 20:38.01 | TuxToaster | and if it turns out that you're right and it's harder to do what you want, you suggest that they change it. Give reasons. Have a conversation. |
| 20:38.59 | fungus | Though, his complaints towards NVidia are totally called for. |
| 20:39.10 | tierra | heh |
| 20:39.11 | mindjuju | so question though |
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| 20:39.27 | mindjuju | i thought nvidia was more linux friendly than ati? |
| 20:39.40 | Monnok | it is |
| 20:39.47 | fungus | It isn't |
| 20:40.07 | veonik | so which is it |
| 20:40.09 | Monnok | w/e, ive never had a problem with nvidia on linux. Not so for ati |
| 20:40.30 | fungus | nvidia produces a proprietary driver for Linux, but absolutely refuses to publish specs for their hardware. |
| 20:40.37 | mindjuju | i've had bad exp with ATI and mythTV |
| 20:40.55 | fungus | ATI, produces a proprietary driver AND publishes complete specs to enable an open source driver. |
| 20:41.15 | fungus | Though ATI's proprietary driver isn't as good as nvidia's. |
| 20:41.21 | Monnok | yeah, but ATI has a hard time working without doing a lot of tweaking |
| 20:41.26 | fungus | But ATI is still more "linux friendly" than nvidia |
| 20:41.46 | TuxToaster | yeah... when did that happen anyways? |
| 20:41.46 | Monnok | nvidia works as-is |
| 20:42.04 | TuxToaster | I remember when ATI was a PITA to get working on linux |
| 20:42.22 | fungus | It got a lot better over the past 3-4 years |
| 20:42.48 | TuxToaster | heh, since I started using Mac full time. |
| 20:42.50 | Monnok | tell that to some of my other buddies on an ATI card and hating it |
| 20:42.50 | TuxToaster | figures. |
| 20:42.56 | fungus | And the open source ATI drivers have improved amazingly in the past 2 years |
| 20:43.44 | fungus | Monnok, they are probably doing it the hard way then. |
| 20:43.51 | TuxToaster | I think the problem with ATI cards is that it's finicky. You need the right kernel version, the right drivers and one of a specific range of cards to get a working combo |
| 20:44.07 | fungus | Not a problem anymore |
| 20:44.14 | fungus | at least not that problem. |
| 20:44.21 | fungus | I've been using ATI on Linux for 5+ years |
| 20:44.35 | Monnok | you mean installing linux and not having more than the basics work? |
| 20:44.36 | TuxToaster | at least that's how it used to be. You'd often have specific models of cards that just didn't play nice |
| 20:45.34 | fungus | In ubuntu, you install the restricted driver via fancy GUI interface, reboot, launch the new control panel to configure your multi monitor, and that's it. |
| 20:46.00 | Monnok | yeah, hes tried that |
| 20:46.47 | fungus | In Fedora, the open source driver it uses by default works fine. |
| 20:47.23 | mindjuju | good to know, thx for clearing that up fungus |
| 20:47.36 | fungus | me too |
| 20:47.50 | fungus | Other than the annoying anti-aliased fonts |
| 20:48.00 | fungus | but that's not video card specific |
| 20:48.14 | mindjuju | ~lart jsmith |
| 20:48.14 | ibot | flings poo at jsmith |
| 20:51.57 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 20:51.57 | raifbot | flings poo at SunSparc. |
| 20:52.20 | mindjuju | overall Sunsparc is quite friendly |
| 20:52.20 | josephscott | $8ball feelings a bit slow? |
| 20:52.20 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 20:52.34 | mindjuju | ~lart josephscott |
| 20:52.34 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides josephscott with the sea of tranquility |
| 20:52.41 | josephscott | $lart mindjuju |
| 20:52.42 | raifbot | farts in mindjuju's general direction. |
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| 21:12.33 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 21:12.34 | raifbot | teaches SunSparc the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 21:13.21 | SunSparc | I guess it is karma. :) |
| 21:13.24 | SunSparc | ~karma |
| 21:13.24 | ibot | sunsparc has karma of 27 |
| 21:15.50 | mindjuju | hmm, seems accurate |
| 21:18.12 | mindjuju | SunSparc, how is memoryties going? |
| 21:25.48 | fungus | lol, it sure does help if you plug it in. |
| 21:25.57 | fungus | oops, wrong window |
| 21:30.36 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:41.26 | josephscott | $8ball going after SunSparc today? |
| 21:41.26 | raifbot | josephscott - Ask again later. |
| 21:43.21 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 21:43.21 | raifbot | DoSes uxp. |
| 21:43.26 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 21:43.26 | ibot | gives jsmith a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 21:43.55 | hhatfield | $8ball give up on lart'ing SunSparc? |
| 21:43.55 | raifbot | hhatfield - Very doubtful. |
| 21:44.40 | SunSparc | mindjuju: MemoryTies is moving along. :) Thanks for asking. |
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| 22:31.43 | carmony | macnewbold: slides are done :P |
| 22:32.09 | mindjuju | $8ball are carmony's slides the cat's meow? |
| 22:32.09 | raifbot | mindjuju - Better not tell you now. |
| 22:32.15 | carmony | lol |
| 22:32.17 | carmony | these ones aren't |
| 22:32.18 | mindjuju | oh wow |
| 22:32.22 | carmony | they were quick and dirty |
| 22:32.29 | mindjuju | $8ball, should i bother trying to go? |
| 22:32.30 | raifbot | mindjuju - As I see it, yes. |
| 22:32.31 | carmony | needed them ready for otmorrow |
| 22:32.33 | carmony | tomorrow& |
| 22:32.35 | carmony | tomorrow* |
| 22:34.43 | carmony | macnewbold: want to post it on the website? :P |
| 22:34.49 | macnewbold | yeah, i do |
| 22:35.06 | macnewbold | the website almost never has anything useful to me, so i forget to update it :-/ |
| 22:35.14 | carmony | :O |
| 22:35.17 | macnewbold | then again, i'm usually the first to know who is presenting on what... |
| 22:35.22 | carmony | it has how to fix e-tags on production |
| 22:36.21 | macnewbold | oooh, i needs that |
| 22:36.47 | TuxToaster | but beware, the toppings contain potassium benzoate. |
| 22:36.49 | TuxToaster | that's bad. |
| 22:37.30 | TuxToaster | carmony: lol. josephscott will approve. |
| 22:37.49 | mindjuju | what is topped with potassium benzoate? |
| 22:37.53 | josephscott | haha |
| 22:38.15 | josephscott | most recent version of Apache finally (FINALLY!!) fixed their default etag config |
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| 22:40.24 | josephscott | wait, I thought carmony was presenting on statsd and graphite |
| 22:44.29 | macnewbold | josephscott: yes, that's what i heard… |
| 22:45.16 | TuxToaster | josephscott: so it should be a few years before you see it fixed right? |
| 22:45.34 | TuxToaster | I mean, there are still places running Apache 1 and Apache 2.0 |
| 22:45.39 | josephscott | TuxToaster: sadly, that is probably the case |
| 22:45.48 | josephscott | no one should still be running Apache 1.x |
| 22:48.02 | TuxToaster | not sure how current this is, but http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/ws-apache/1/all suggests 4.5% of Apache installs are 1.x |
| 22:48.15 | TuxToaster | not huge, but still. |
| 22:49.03 | josephscott | $lart Apache 1.x |
| 22:49.05 | raifbot | blames Apache 1.x for all the evil in the world. |
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| 22:53.10 | TuxToaster | I figure if that same site suggests that 3.5% of Windows servers run Apache instead of IIS, then just judging by the number of questions and threads I've encountered over problems people are having doing /x/ under Windows+Apache+PHP that means 4.5% of all Apache installs should be a good number. |
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| 23:04.18 | TuxToaster | so Microsoft's "major announcement" still hasn't happened |
| 23:05.05 | TuxToaster | been speculating that they might release a tablet that includes Clippy. |
| 23:05.27 | TuxToaster | or maybe Office for Xbox, where you can only type using A, B, X and Y |
| 23:08.17 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 23:08.37 | mindjuju | i thought for sure it'd be a tablet to compete against amazon by using B&N |
| 23:08.43 | mindjuju | but B&N came out and said no |
| 23:08.56 | mindjuju | plus, they'd be strange bedfellows with B&N Nook |
| 23:10.17 | mindjuju | the other thing to watch out for is thursday TuxToaster |
| 23:10.21 | mindjuju | here --> http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/ |
| 23:10.39 | mindjuju | mgeary prolly interested in that too |
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| 23:37.26 | josephscott | s/carmony/rockstar/g |
| 23:37.56 | carmony | ? :P |
| 23:37.59 | josephscott | http://uphpu.org/2012/06/18/june-21-meeting-easy-awesome-data-with-graphite-statsd-by-justin-rockstar-carmony/ |
| 23:38.56 | josephscott | I think you should only answer to the name rockstar now ;-) |
| 23:41.23 | carmony | rofl |
| 23:41.34 | carmony | don't know if qualify for the "rockstar" designation |
| 23:42.29 | josephscott | for those that wish woot sold their bag of stuff more often: http://www.somethingstore.com/ |
| 23:59.35 | tierra | josephscott: what is the process for getting WP themes up on WordPress.com? |