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| 13:30.14 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 13:30.14 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 13:30.16 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 13:30.16 | ibot | pours gasoline all over hhatfield, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 13:30.38 | hhatfield | guess it's going to be that kind of week |
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| 15:49.52 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 15:49.52 | raifbot | lowers itimber's priority. |
| 15:50.12 | hhatfield | ~nice raifbot |
| 15:50.12 | ibot | ACTION lowers raifbot's priority |
| 15:50.43 | josephscott | ~renice ibot |
| 15:50.43 | ibot | ACTION lowers ibot's priority again |
| 15:53.39 | itimber | ~lart josephscott |
| 15:53.39 | ibot | beats josephscott senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 15:53.50 | itimber | see, it doesn't pay |
| 15:54.02 | josephscott | thanks, I needed another unix manual :-) |
| 15:54.25 | itimber | haha |
| 15:54.46 | josephscott | ~read unix manual |
| 16:00.44 | josephscott | for mindjuju, the next time he feels like a rick roll |
| 16:00.45 | josephscott | rick roll |
| 16:00.51 | josephscott | http://blog.jgc.org/2012/06/animated-solution-never-gonna-give-you.html |
| 16:20.08 | hhatfield | $does rick roll? |
| 16:20.14 | hhatfield | $8ball does rick roll? |
| 16:20.16 | raifbot | hhatfield - Outlook good. |
| 16:20.27 | hhatfield | $stupid monday |
| 16:20.33 | hhatfield | $stupid bot |
| 16:20.38 | hhatfield | ~stupid bot |
| 16:20.38 | ibot | Stupid human. |
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| 17:11.04 | Monnok | Anyone have much experience with setting up SSL on a server? I have my suspicions as to whats wrong here, but i could be missing something |
| 17:34.29 | mindjuju | what kind of server hardware and what web server? |
| 17:34.51 | Monnok | its a linode on ubuntu 10.04 |
| 17:35.42 | macnewbold | Monnok: what's up with it? |
| 17:36.17 | Monnok | we purchased an SSL cert and they sent us back what supposed to be the contents of 2 files: the server.crt and the server.ca |
| 17:36.42 | Monnok | from my reading, we are supposed to have a server.key file too |
| 17:37.00 | macnewbold | yes, the server.key you already have |
| 17:37.08 | macnewbold | it was generated at the same time as your CSR |
| 17:37.26 | Monnok | heh, it was blank when i got to the server |
| 17:37.39 | macnewbold | who generated the CSR? it should be wherever that happened |
| 17:37.40 | Monnok | and noone knows the passphrase |
| 17:37.55 | macnewbold | passphrase? generally server.key doesn't have a passphrase in my experience... |
| 17:38.21 | Monnok | eh ok. i am just getting back to this today |
| 17:38.38 | macnewbold | if you don't have your key, then your cert won't do any good - you'd have to regen a CSR and key and get a new cert (paying again, unless you have their "insurance") |
| 17:38.54 | macnewbold | Monnok: feel free to PM if you want |
| 17:39.08 | Monnok | nah, thats about what i was suspecting |
| 17:39.57 | macnewbold | did someone generate the CSR manually, or was it a helper tool that did it? |
| 17:40.14 | Monnok | since the key on the server was blank, and the error logs said the key doesnt match the cert, and noone knows more about this more than i do at this point (sad)... |
| 17:44.55 | Monnok | or more accurately, the errors originally said: Init: Private key not found |
| 17:44.56 | Monnok | SSL Library Error: 218542222 error:0D06B08E:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_D2I_READ_BIO:not enough data |
| 17:46.18 | macnewbold | yeah, that's kinda hozed |
| 17:46.37 | macnewbold | Monnok: who generated the key and CSR? the client? |
| 17:47.42 | Monnok | i dont honestly know. I suspect it was chad |
| 17:50.00 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:50.10 | macnewbold | my guess is the CSR was made, but the key never got uploaded to the server |
| 17:50.18 | macnewbold | but where did he make the CSR? it outputs the key to the same place |
| 17:50.23 | Monnok | he said he followed a guide, but i doubt it since he half the steps werent done |
| 17:50.57 | Monnok | ill have to ask him more then |
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| 18:30.03 | josephscott | I think wps was looking for something like this once: http://mtdowling.com/blog/2012/06/03/cron-expressions-in-php/ |
| 19:03.52 | wps | I found an awesome library for parsing cron rules |
| 19:03.55 | wps | let me know if you want it |
| 19:08.22 | ninnypants | http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/06/hey-brother-can-you-spare-a-hubble-dod-sure-have-two/258061/ |
| 19:11.03 | romanovic | interesting |
| 19:11.45 | ninnypants | yeah kinda crazy |
| 19:16.50 | mindjuju | oh man, josephscott is an Op? there goes the neighborhood |
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| 19:21.52 | thinbegin | hey all |
| 19:22.10 | josephscott | mindjuju: huh, when did that happen? |
| 19:22.21 | mindjuju | don't know |
| 19:22.48 | thinbegin | who's better than me at htaccess redirects (other than everyone)? |
| 19:23.13 | josephscott | guess I should pay more attention |
| 19:23.24 | josephscott | $8ball will I use my powers only for good? |
| 19:23.25 | raifbot | josephscott - Most likely. |
| 19:23.35 | mindjuju | doubt it |
| 19:23.59 | thinbegin | i have a uri that got published with a hash/pound in it and the browser don't know how to handle it |
| 19:27.34 | beandog | wouldnt the browser handle it as an a name? |
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| 19:28.59 | thinbegin | nope... |
| 19:29.01 | thinbegin | http://www.unmannedship.com/share/June-2012-#1/Issue_1.pdf |
| 19:29.16 | thinbegin | ^ doesn't work (cuz of the pound) |
| 19:29.23 | mindjuju | FF no likey |
| 19:29.25 | thinbegin | http://www.unmannedship.com/share/June-2012-%231/Issue_1.pdf |
| 19:29.30 | beandog | Right, I'm saying the URL the browser would open is http://www.unmannedship.com/share/June-2012- |
| 19:29.32 | thinbegin | ^ this does work though |
| 19:29.50 | beandog | but either way, that doesn't matter, you need to do a redirect based on that filename |
| 19:29.50 | thinbegin | @mindjuju, right. you are correct sir |
| 19:29.56 | thinbegin | right |
| 19:30.07 | thinbegin | edit @beandog |
| 19:30.37 | beandog | thinbegin: so you can do a RedirectMatch for just that filename |
| 19:30.43 | thinbegin | so would an htaccess redirect work? and if so, |
| 19:30.48 | beandog | I don't know the *exact* syntax, but it'd work |
| 19:30.54 | beandog | I'd use a regexp |
| 19:31.05 | beandog | like RedirectMatch June-2012-$ |
| 19:31.06 | beandog | or something |
| 19:31.52 | thinbegin | beandog: an an htaccess file then? that's what i was thinking |
| 19:32.00 | beandog | thinbegin: yah, in an .htaccess file |
| 19:32.08 | thinbegin | but i personally hate htaccess files |
| 19:32.13 | thinbegin | they slow apache down |
| 19:32.30 | mindjuju | you can put it in your <virtualhost x.x.x.x> |
| 19:32.30 | beandog | the peformance hit is negligible |
| 19:32.51 | fungus | Actually since it's only a single URL you don't need RedirectMatch, a simple Redirect is good enough |
| 19:33.02 | beandog | oh, there you go |
| 19:33.08 | beandog | I knew fungus would have an enlightened approach |
| 19:33.10 | mindjuju | ~redirect fungus |
| 19:33.10 | ibot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 19:33.20 | thinbegin | lol |
| 19:33.20 | fungus | Redirect /share/June-2012- /share/June-2012-%231/Issue_1.pdf. |
| 19:33.22 | mindjuju | curious |
| 19:33.43 | beandog | http://www.htaccessredirect.co.uk/ |
| 19:33.47 | beandog | YES |
| 19:34.05 | thinbegin | thanks fungus |
| 19:37.01 | fungus | Thank beandog for the tip. I only mentioned a simple refinement. |
| 19:37.30 | mindjuju | ~beandog++ |
| 19:37.35 | mindjuju | ~karma beandog |
| 19:37.35 | ibot | beandog has karma of 38 |
| 19:38.25 | beandog | my karma adds up to 11 |
| 19:38.37 | mindjuju | let's see, karma 38 - hostess twinkies taste tester |
| 19:38.46 | mindjuju | o.0 |
| 19:39.38 | mindjuju | ~beandog |
| 19:39.39 | ibot | well, beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway, or a non-girl, or has a large intestine filled with mealworms, or a belieber, or a meandog |
| 19:40.01 | mindjuju | beandog the belieber |
| 19:40.02 | mindjuju | classic |
| 19:40.05 | beandog | :( |
| 19:40.07 | beandog | I'm not a meandog |
| 19:40.20 | beandog | Okay so |
| 19:40.29 | beandog | I am sooooooo tempted to buy the complete series of Jem and the Holograms |
| 19:40.34 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Jem-Holograms-Outrageous-Complete-Series/dp/B005BUA1CG/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp |
| 19:40.39 | beandog | and payday is tomorrow, which doesn't help. |
| 19:40.40 | mindjuju | it's on netflix |
| 19:40.44 | beandog | pfft. |
| 19:41.02 | hhatfield | it's truly outrageous |
| 19:41.02 | beandog | I buy it on DVD in preparation for when Skynet goes active. |
| 19:41.22 | beandog | I like. |
| 19:41.44 | beandog | I dont suppose anyone knows what's causing this: |
| 19:41.46 | beandog | SSH: error receiving identification string -- Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 19:41.48 | mindjuju | will you have enough power to run a DVD player + TV + sound system ? |
| 19:41.52 | mindjuju | beandog ^^ |
| 19:42.15 | beandog | mindjuju: I have a portable DVD player |
| 19:42.19 | beandog | runs on batteries |
| 19:42.56 | mindjuju | if i was skynet, first thing i would do is EMP |
| 19:43.24 | beandog | meanie. |
| 19:43.36 | mindjuju | course though, you'd be safe if you had a faraday cage protecting your stuff |
| 19:43.46 | beandog | I have faraday boxers. |
| 19:44.05 | mindjuju | got to keep your stuff protected somehow |
| 19:44.48 | mindjuju | have you seen all the things you have to bring in for you license? http://publicsafety.utah.gov/dld/acceptable_id.html |
| 19:44.50 | mindjuju | nutty |
| 19:45.00 | mindjuju | used to be birth certificate was enough |
| 19:45.32 | mindjuju | now birth cert, ssn, 2 poofs of address |
| 19:45.42 | beandog | meh |
| 19:45.47 | beandog | seems legit to me |
| 19:45.57 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a meh |
| 19:45.57 | ibot | ACTION gives a meh to beandog |
| 19:45.58 | beandog | although I guess the SSN one is new. |
| 19:46.20 | beandog | my cousin lost his SSN card |
| 19:46.27 | beandog | We went to the office to figure out how to get one |
| 19:46.37 | beandog | He had to go to the doctor and get a note verifying that he was in fact alive. |
| 19:46.58 | mindjuju | hmm, the ole descartes test |
| 19:47.06 | beandog | it's a tarp! |
| 19:47.09 | mindjuju | how do we know he's not a figment of a dream? |
| 19:47.24 | mindjuju | how do we know beandog is real? |
| 19:47.39 | mindjuju | $8ball is beandog real |
| 19:47.40 | raifbot | mindjuju - Yes - definitely. |
| 19:47.40 | beandog | because only I would admit to liking Jem and the Holograms |
| 19:48.06 | mindjuju | well if raifbot thinks it, that's good enough for me |
| 19:48.07 | beandog | okay I can't figure out this stupid SSH problem. |
| 19:48.55 | josephscott | my Netflix UI on Roku is full of kids movies and "things that are like <kids movie>" |
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| 19:50.06 | beandog | I have the weirdest problems on just this server |
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| 19:53.33 | mindjuju | DtD, you around? |
| 19:54.34 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: maybe |
| 19:55.10 | mindjuju | i was just wondering that ssl cert checker you used to figure out WP ssl was out/bad DtD |
| 19:55.15 | mindjuju | but then i google and found this http://www.ssltest.net/ |
| 19:55.18 | mindjuju | seems to work well |
| 19:55.54 | beandog | I like ssl-cert-check |
| 19:56.01 | beandog | but a webpage is probably nicer. |
| 19:56.16 | beandog | this one takes too long |
| 19:56.18 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: https://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html |
| 19:56.31 | mindjuju | thx |
| 20:05.48 | fungus | Thanks to beandog I have a monthly cron job for ssl-cert-check to make sure I didn't screw up and miss one. |
| 20:07.07 | beandog | there you go |
| 20:07.09 | beandog | I do weekly |
| 20:07.15 | beandog | er, wait |
| 20:07.18 | beandog | yah |
| 20:07.22 | beandog | I use domain-check too |
| 20:07.30 | beandog | to make sure a domain isn't about to expire on me |
| 20:07.58 | fungus | I use auto-renew |
| 20:12.08 | beandog | meh |
| 20:14.24 | mindjuju | can't figure out how i should select gender on this form http://screencast.com/t/y2dsJ2Io1Uz |
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| 20:20.21 | ninnypants | mindjuju: just check both ;) |
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| 20:24.18 | Monnok | is it a required field? |
| 20:24.54 | Monnok | maybe you can go as androgynous? |
| 20:25.15 | fungus | mindjuju, M is the first one, F is the second one. |
| 20:30.06 | fungus | Though it should be obvious which one comes first in our (patriachical) society |
| 20:32.23 | josephscott | famous last words, before you know it the DMV will think mindjuju is a girl ;-) |
| 20:34.15 | josephscott | ~deflect the stink eye |
| 20:36.14 | josephscott | I don't know what to say http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/06/hey-brother-can-you-spare-a-hubble-dod-sure-have-two/258061/ |
| 20:36.28 | mindjuju | that was so 5 minutes ago |
| 20:36.52 | mindjuju | 07[13:07] <+ninnypants> 02http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/06/hey-brother-can-you-spare-a-hubble-dod-sure-have-two/258061/01 |
| 20:37.12 | mindjuju | actually, that was so 1hr, 29 min ago |
| 20:45.48 | mindjuju | limh |
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| 20:50.16 | hhatfield | http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/06/hey-brother-can-you-spare-a-hubble-dod-sure-have-two/258061/ |
| 21:00.40 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 21:00.40 | raifbot | If you have five dollars and Chuck Norris has five dollars, Chuck Norris has more money than you. |
| 21:01.56 | mindjuju | beandog - did you see mr trololo died today :( |
| 21:02.00 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/mr-trololo-dies-khil-140556919.html |
| 21:02.25 | mindjuju | this guy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Z4m4lnjxkY |
| 21:11.19 | beandog | okay that was dumb |
| 21:13.45 | beandog | ~lame beandog |
| 21:13.45 | ibot | beandog is completely not lame. |
| 21:13.51 | beandog | yay |
| 21:14.04 | beandog | no wanna be an mp3 |
| 21:23.46 | mindjuju | holy cow! he song trololo... instead of the censor'd lyrics! /me thinks of south park's episode 200 & 201 's effective use of the censors to make a point |
| 21:24.57 | mgeary | anyone here use Rightscale? |
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| 22:33.00 | mindjuju | love that song josephscott |
| 22:33.19 | josephscott | :-) |
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| 22:47.04 | mindjuju | hey macnewbold, have you tried IE 9 yet? |
| 22:47.12 | mindjuju | it's so fast at getting FF! |
| 22:47.17 | macnewbold | sweet! |
| 22:47.25 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 22:47.33 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:47.33 | raifbot | whacks tierra with the cluebat. |
| 22:48.07 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: and it also renders getfirefox.com very well. |
| 22:48.25 | mindjuju | surprisingly |
| 22:49.29 | mindjuju | i love that google chrome opines that I'm awesome for installing google chrome |
| 22:49.33 | mindjuju | it gives me warm fuzzies |
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| 22:52.37 | herlo | finally!! INTERTUBES!!! |
| 22:53.20 | herlo | ~hate renting |
| 22:53.20 | ibot | Hey herlo, ,,|, |
| 22:53.29 | herlo | ibot: that's not nice! |
| 22:53.36 | mindjuju | herlo in germany? |
| 22:53.49 | herlo | I'm not in Germany |
| 22:53.49 | mindjuju | or just connected to german freenode server |
| 22:54.00 | mindjuju | 14[16:52] *** Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Frankfurt, Germany01 |
| 22:54.02 | herlo | lol, yeah, probably |
| 22:54.19 | herlo | mindjuju: well, this episode started on Friday about 3pm |
| 22:54.22 | mindjuju | herlo fears the NSA, and understandably so |
| 22:54.47 | herlo | just returned from a pedicure. Came home, ate lunch and then jumped online. Only I couldn't |
| 22:55.25 | herlo | funny thing was that I could ping IP addresses, routing worked, but any sort of tcp or udp packets were being blocked and would eventually timeout |
| 22:56.06 | herlo | after about 10 minutes of this, I got frustrated and called Qworst/OldestNameEver/CenturyLink |
| 22:56.20 | herlo | they told me a disconnect order had come in from my HOA. |
| 22:56.36 | mindjuju | what color are your toenails? |
| 22:56.43 | herlo | At this point, I realized what had happened, but I'll tell you the rest in order so it makes sense. Mind you, I was pissed |
| 22:56.57 | herlo | mindjuju: a pedi is wonderful, they are black now |
| 22:57.18 | mindjuju | i think my feet too tickilish for pedi |
| 22:57.33 | herlo | So I called the Daybreak HOA, and talked with a nice lady there. She informed me that the HOA had indeed sent a disconnect order because the dues were well behind. |
| 22:57.45 | herlo | mindjuju: nowai, they aren't. Mine can be pretty ticklish |
| 22:58.23 | herlo | anyway, I asked them about the fact that I was renting and that I should be getting all of the HOA services as part of my rental agreement. |
| 22:58.36 | herlo | of course, then that meant calling my Property management company |
| 22:58.48 | herlo | this is now 4:04pm on Friday. |
| 22:59.04 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 22:59.32 | herlo | Of course, the person I needed to speak to was in a meeting with a new customer. I demanded to talk with here (nicely) and waited on hold. Ten minutes went by, nobody came back, so I 'got disconnected' and called back! |
| 23:00.24 | herlo | This receptionist heard my story, and went and found the person in question for me. She then came back a few minutes later and informed me that the manager would indeed call the HOA for me as soon as she was out of the meeting. |
| 23:00.31 | herlo | It is now 4:38pm |
| 23:01.00 | herlo | at 4:58pm, I hadn't heard anything, so I called the HOA again (they close at 5pm as you would expect), the nice lady from before answered |
| 23:01.41 | herlo | I asked her if she had heard from the Property Management folks, and indeed she had. She then informed me that she would be sending in the restore order shortly |
| 23:01.57 | herlo | I asked her about Qworst and whether they would do it on a saturday, she informed me they would. |
| 23:02.14 | herlo | I said thank you and hung up, hoping. |
| 23:02.21 | herlo | Saturday came and went, no internet |
| 23:02.41 | herlo | Sunday, same thing. I called Qwest tech support to see if they had a restore order, no dice. |
| 23:02.58 | herlo | So I called again this morning. Indeed no order had been placed. I called back the HOA again. |
| 23:03.38 | mindjuju | HOA, micro-government created by self-important hoseheads looking for an extra buck |
| 23:03.43 | herlo | She informed me that she had indeed sent it through. I'm not sure where it got lost, but she told me she would call her contact and let me know if it didn't work. |
| 23:03.48 | mindjuju | i hate the lot of 'em |
| 23:04.08 | mindjuju | door color : black, white or green, these hues , none other |
| 23:04.22 | herlo | no call, but I did just call Qwest again (billing this time) and the nice gentleman informed me that the restore was happening already. |
| 23:04.53 | herlo | mindjuju: bitch about HOAs all you want, but I've really never had a bad experience with them, and this one wasn't their fault (really) either. |
| 23:05.37 | herlo | this one is all on the f-----g owner who is a complete asshat and is unwilling to pay for anything. He hasn't been paying the mortgage either, it seems. We're likely to get a foreclosure notice soon saying 90 days to move out... |
| 23:05.56 | mindjuju | you're kidding! |
| 23:06.01 | herlo | I am actively looking for a new house to buy/build now. |
| 23:06.07 | herlo | mindjuju: I am not. It's crazy! |
| 23:06.25 | herlo | he's a complete f---tard |
| 23:06.36 | herlo | I only don't swear here because I know wps will kick me :) |
| 23:06.56 | herlo | mindjuju: pm :) |
| 23:07.29 | mindjuju | a friend of mine just bought a 4k sqft house on a CRAZY shortsale |
| 23:07.47 | mindjuju | i'd be jealous if he had a mother-in-law appt |
| 23:08.03 | herlo | anyway. So the internet is back on, the property management and hoa have been very understanding and worked it out in a matter of hours. I don't quite think it could have been easier to work with two other companies and have them both cooperate with me quite as well. Though I do think there is something to be said for the HOA knowing that I am renting and not to just cut me off without notice. |
| 23:08.11 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: what'd he pay if I might ask? |
| 23:08.16 | herlo | mindjuju: our house is 3996 sqft |
| 23:08.33 | herlo | and there are *tons* of short sales right now. |
| 23:08.54 | mindjuju | TuxToaster -- i didn't ask, but he said he saved tens of thousands |
| 23:09.11 | TuxToaster | ah, just curious |
| 23:09.11 | mindjuju | i was grilling burgers, so i had other things on my mind ;) |
| 23:09.20 | herlo | anyway, the whole point of this story is that I have internets and an asshat of an owner. BTW, he plays MLS soccer for the Ft Lauderdale team. |
| 23:09.35 | TuxToaster | mine is 4100 sq ft, got it for $250k |
| 23:09.42 | mindjuju | so daybreak only offers century link? |
| 23:09.46 | herlo | TuxToaster: yeah, we're seeing similar deals. |
| 23:09.52 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, that's like double my house |
| 23:10.02 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: cost or size? :P |
| 23:10.04 | herlo | mindjuju: I can get comcast, but the century old service is free with my rent |
| 23:10.21 | mindjuju | but it does have m-i-l apartment |
| 23:10.40 | mindjuju | separate driveway, everything |
| 23:10.50 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: if we had an m-i-l apartment I guarantee my mother-in-law would be wanting to stay in it all of the time. |
| 23:10.53 | fungus | I have a tiny 1800 sqft |
| 23:10.55 | herlo | mindjuju: your house is nice, even if it's tiny :) |
| 23:11.09 | herlo | fungus: before this place, I had 1400sqft |
| 23:11.14 | TuxToaster | not that I don't love her... but I couldn't live with full time |
| 23:11.27 | mindjuju | herlo, i want to move |
| 23:11.27 | fungus | but location, location, location |
| 23:11.29 | TuxToaster | same here. Our rental was ~1700 |
| 23:11.37 | fungus | I ain't movin' to daybreak. |
| 23:11.39 | Bikerdan | TuxToaster: What city do you live in? |
| 23:11.42 | herlo | mindjuju: well, there are some nice places in daybreak |
| 23:11.49 | herlo | fungus: why not? It's lovely out here |
| 23:11.53 | TuxToaster | Bikerdan: West Jordan |
| 23:11.56 | mindjuju | the insurance co won't insurane my house, they actually HONESTLY refered me to Lloyd's of London for earthquake insurance |
| 23:11.58 | herlo | fungus: you could live near utahcon |
| 23:11.59 | fungus | no way, too far out in the boonies |
| 23:12.15 | herlo | fungus: heh, it really isn't. We're actually looking to move to Herriman |
| 23:12.15 | mindjuju | oh, well it's insured for everything but earthquake |
| 23:12.20 | Bikerdan | TuxToaster: Was it a shortsale? How long did the deal take? |
| 23:12.27 | fungus | herriman? yikes, even worse |
| 23:12.29 | herlo | fungus: I can be downtown with the new MVC in 30ish minutes |
| 23:12.41 | herlo | and when the freeway is completed, it'll be closer to 20 |
| 23:12.51 | herlo | Mountain View Corridor == MVC |
| 23:12.57 | fungus | 10 min drive for me, in bad traffic |
| 23:13.04 | TuxToaster | Bikerdan: nope, the previous owners moved to Portland due to job transfer, they listed it at $264,900 but dropped it when they didn't get much interest |
| 23:13.05 | herlo | the first part opened on Saturday |
| 23:13.16 | Bikerdan | Nice |
| 23:13.30 | mindjuju | i've got to stay in Orem or UV |
| 23:13.33 | Bikerdan | TuxToaster: What size lot? What age of home? |
| 23:13.37 | herlo | mindjuju: why? |
| 23:13.46 | mindjuju | Tiff dad lives in mapleton |
| 23:13.51 | herlo | what is in the UC that is so nice? I can't see the value |
| 23:13.57 | TuxToaster | Bikerdan: and we had been looking, but had some cleanup to do on credit due to some old medical collections that were haunting us. So from making the offer to moving in was around 4 months. |
| 23:14.08 | herlo | tooo many people, too much traffic, too many idiot students, I can go on. |
| 23:14.13 | TuxToaster | .21 acre lot, built in late 2004 I think |
| 23:14.17 | herlo | TuxToaster: very nice |
| 23:14.18 | mindjuju | herlo, i agree |
| 23:14.22 | mindjuju | driving is horrible here |
| 23:14.26 | Bikerdan | TuxToaster: Nice. |
| 23:14.41 | herlo | mindjuju: move to herriman, and in a few months a drive to mapleton will only be 30 mins |
| 23:14.47 | herlo | mindjuju: how long does it take from Orem? |
| 23:14.54 | Bikerdan | 01TuxToaster:01 Wondering cause we were about to start looking ourselves... |
| 23:14.55 | mindjuju | 20 minutes |
| 23:14.57 | Bikerdan | Not sure yet. |
| 23:15.02 | Bikerdan | We might give it one more year. |
| 23:15.03 | mindjuju | we drive down every sunday for dinner |
| 23:15.10 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, so for 10 more minutes, it's worth it |
| 23:15.35 | herlo | mindjuju: and the extra 10 minutes is a very pretty drive, opposed to your current cone/barrel communte |
| 23:15.39 | herlo | :) |
| 23:15.52 | herlo | s/unte/ute/ |
| 23:15.58 | mindjuju | don't get me started on construction |
| 23:16.09 | herlo | lol |
| 23:16.14 | mindjuju | or the stupid planners that can't think 5 minutes in front of them |
| 23:16.19 | herlo | mindjuju: I am going to be dealing with it some... |
| 23:16.23 | Bikerdan | Do you guys think it's a good time to buy? Some say the markets still going down? What do you guys think? |
| 23:16.36 | mindjuju | i've already seen 2 major breakdowns in their "continuous flow intersection" |
| 23:16.37 | TuxToaster | I'm still trying to decide whether or not I'm going to like the MVC being 1/2 mile from the house |
| 23:16.48 | herlo | but once the MVC is complete to Redwood, I can be at your house in 20 minutes, tops |
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| 23:16.59 | mindjuju | mortgage rates just went down a little lower last week |
| 23:17.03 | fungus | If you can afford it, want to buy a house, and want to stay in it for 5+ years, buy now. |
| 23:17.06 | herlo | mindjuju: that intersection is stupid. They have a ton of them on Bangerter Hwy |
| 23:17.06 | fungus | No reason to wait |
| 23:17.14 | herlo | fungus: do it! |
| 23:17.23 | mindjuju | yeah, i'd start shopping for house |
| 23:17.26 | mindjuju | i am |
| 23:17.37 | Bikerdan | I'm working on cleaning up some medical debt... |
| 23:17.40 | fungus | I got my house, i'll live here for the rest of my life, most likely |
| 23:17.42 | mindjuju | i'm not aggressive, just leisurely checking options |
| 23:17.47 | Bikerdan | If I move into a house now, it will take longer to clean up. |
| 23:17.48 | TuxToaster | \agreed, their CFI timings don't seem to achieve what they are supposed to |
| 23:17.51 | herlo | rates are at the lowest they've been ever |
| 23:17.53 | mindjuju | but i've notified my real estate agent |
| 23:18.03 | herlo | 3.385% was what I approved for... |
| 23:18.07 | TuxToaster | seems like if they timed them slightly differently so you didn't have to wait so long to even begin queuing up left turns it would work better |
| 23:18.12 | TuxToaster | herlo: wow |
| 23:18.22 | mindjuju | that's a 15yr isn't it? |
| 23:18.23 | TuxToaster | that's almost 1% lower than what I got |
| 23:18.32 | herlo | TuxToaster: I did have to buy down 1/4pt |
| 23:18.36 | TuxToaster | oh if it's 15 yr |
| 23:18.41 | TuxToaster | or that |
| 23:18.43 | herlo | I shouldn't lie, and no, it was 30yr |
| 23:18.49 | Bikerdan | I got quoted 3.5 on a 30 |
| 23:18.51 | mindjuju | rly? |
| 23:18.55 | TuxToaster | I got a 30yr at 4.25% |
| 23:18.55 | mindjuju | wow |
| 23:19.00 | herlo | Bikerdan: yeah, that's pretty close to mine |
| 23:19.08 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm 4.x can't remember, Tiff knows |
| 23:19.13 | herlo | TuxToaster: my current house is at 4.5% and that's pretty good too |
| 23:19.23 | herlo | but I bought that in 2007 |
| 23:19.29 | herlo | so I can't sell it :( |
| 23:19.39 | fungus | I got my house before the bust, so i'm only barely above water |
| 23:19.53 | herlo | fungus: yeah, 25k under water |
| 23:20.03 | herlo | for me |
| 23:20.04 | fungus | But I don't care, cause I'm not selling |
| 23:20.28 | herlo | fungus: yeah, you should refi though now. You'll get a better price and pay it off more quickly :) |
| 23:20.38 | herlo | at least I bet you could |
| 23:20.40 | Bikerdan | What do you guys generally look for in a house? I'm trying to decide what price range I want to go with. |
| 23:20.41 | fungus | I am thinking about it for sure. |
| 23:20.59 | mindjuju | Bikerdan -- M-i-L apt |
| 23:21.00 | herlo | Bikerdan: well, we've been looking for about 3 weeks now, 2 of them fairly seriously |
| 23:21.07 | mindjuju | it pays for part of the mortgage |
| 23:21.16 | mindjuju | a HECK of an insurance plan |
| 23:21.18 | herlo | I think the key thing for me is, 'can I live in this place comfortably for the next 5-10 years' |
| 23:21.21 | TuxToaster | if you rent it out |
| 23:21.32 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, i'm 5 minutes from UVU |
| 23:21.37 | mindjuju | renters are NOT the issue |
| 23:21.39 | TuxToaster | that helps |
| 23:22.00 | fungus | Bikerdan, keep your price range below what you are comfortable paying. |
| 23:22.12 | mindjuju | yes, very true fungus |
| 23:22.13 | herlo | and 'Will it gain value in that same period that if I sold it I could reasonably expect to have $30-50k to put down on the next place, just from the sale?' |
| 23:22.31 | herlo | fungus: very good point |
| 23:22.55 | herlo | right now, we're looking in the 250-280k range, but I am willing to hit $300+ for the 'right' house. |
| 23:23.03 | josephscott | I have a house in California, just in case you want to buy something out there :-) |
| 23:23.14 | Bikerdan | So here's my dillema... I could get a decent house now and be comfortable. But if I wait a year, I can get a lot nicer of a house. I'm worried about what the market will do though. |
| 23:23.18 | fungus | Also, make sure you have at least 20% to put down on the house |
| 23:23.19 | herlo | josephscott: if it were in LA, I might consider it, but since I know it's not... |
| 23:23.39 | fungus | Bikerdan, I would wait in that situation. Better to be safe. |
| 23:23.44 | josephscott | Bikerdan: worried in what way? |
| 23:23.47 | herlo | fungus: 20% is nice, I have 10% plus some good coverage for closing costs. I think that's reasonable enough too... |
| 23:23.48 | mindjuju | Bikerdan -- honest, recovery is going to take years |
| 23:24.06 | josephscott | I suppose mortgage rates could go up, but I wouldn't expect huge jumps in home values |
| 23:24.16 | fungus | mindjuju, is right. Buy now if you are ready now. But no reason to hurry |
| 23:24.28 | Bikerdan | The realtors and friends of mine are telling me that the selection of houses have dropped like crazy recently. |
| 23:24.46 | josephscott | don't let any one pressure to buy a house |
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| 23:25.02 | Bikerdan | My other issue is I'm trapped in a 1100sqft condo... ABOUT TO PULL MY HAIR OUT! |
| 23:25.04 | fungus | That's possible, but when selection was monstrously huge, a reduction to only huge is still not a problem |
| 23:25.04 | josephscott | take as much time as you need to find the right one, with the right conditions |
| 23:25.24 | Bikerdan | Anyway... Makes for a tough decision. |
| 23:25.31 | mindjuju | yeah, i agree, take your time |
| 23:25.45 | fungus | i'd stick it out and suffer a bit longer to be ultra-safe |
| 23:26.02 | Bikerdan | Yeah. I'm leaning that way. It's good to hear others say the same. |
| 23:26.03 | mindjuju | and find a real estate agent who you trust, not somebody looking for a commision |
| 23:26.45 | mindjuju | and get a REALLY REAL home inspector |
| 23:27.19 | josephscott | it is a big commitment, worth measuring 4x and cutting once :-) |
| 23:27.29 | Bikerdan | So true. |
| 23:27.35 | josephscott | dear comcast: go sign up for this now https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect |
| 23:27.44 | mindjuju | my house inspection cost $350 from a guy that was awarded UC home inspector of year award, he found me $2k in issues that i pulled out of the total cost of house |
| 23:28.09 | herlo | mindjuju: hook! me! up! |
| 23:28.15 | josephscott | inspection++ |
| 23:28.25 | josephscott | I was really surprised that Utah didn't require a home inspection |
| 23:28.34 | josephscott | in California you are required by law to do that |
| 23:28.36 | mindjuju | herlo, i'll get you his contact info |
| 23:28.45 | mindjuju | the inspection was just over 2hrs, i was there the whole time |
| 23:28.53 | herlo | cool |
| 23:31.24 | Bikerdan | If anyone doesn't mind me asking... What amount or % of your paycheck do you think is a good amount to have 'extra' each month for things like savings and play? |
| 23:31.34 | herlo | 50+ |
| 23:31.56 | Bikerdan | Percent? |
| 23:32.11 | Bikerdan | (Hope you don't mean $50) :) |
| 23:32.22 | macnewbold | i'd love even 10%, but it's been quite a while since i've had that |
| 23:32.23 | herlo | yes, percent |
| 23:32.51 | Bikerdan | Herlo: are you figuring after ALL bills ar paid? |
| 23:32.52 | herlo | if you have 50% of your money availalbe for fun stuff and savings, etc. You'll not be hurting for things. |
| 23:32.53 | mindjuju | herlo you +50% after all bills paid? |
| 23:32.54 | Bikerdan | are |
| 23:33.00 | herlo | Bikerdan: yes |
| 23:33.01 | herlo | mindjuju: yes |
| 23:33.47 | Bikerdan | That's pretty good herlo. |
| 23:34.04 | Bikerdan | Guess that gets easier the bigger your paycheck gets. |
| 23:34.04 | macnewbold | k, so herlo's an outlier |
| 23:34.08 | herlo | lol |
| 23:34.09 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 23:34.09 | macnewbold | or the smaller your expenses |
| 23:34.15 | Bikerdan | True |
| 23:34.32 | herlo | I would reasonably say that you should truthfully try for 25% though |
| 23:34.34 | Bikerdan | Cardboard box, CHECK, bicycle, CHECK! |
| 23:34.59 | Bikerdan | Herlo, you calculating off of net or gross? |
| 23:35.30 | herlo | Bikerdan: net |
| 23:38.16 | herlo | Bikerdan: One thing that I was just evaluating was the fact that the bank thinks I am at 42.5% of my income if I were to buy a house at 320k. I'm not sure how they calculate that but they have become very strict about how much they will lend based upon these numbers. |
| 23:38.34 | fungus | after fully funding your retirement, your emergency savings fund, and all expenses (discretionary and mandatory) having an extra 10-20% extra is nice. |
| 23:38.53 | Bikerdan | They only include debt. They don't include things like utilities and insurance. |
| 23:39.01 | Bikerdan | Or food, gas, etc... |
| 23:39.21 | herlo | Bikerdan: yes, but I'm closer to 30% right now |
| 23:39.43 | Bikerdan | I believe that's what the bank sees me at as well. |
| 23:39.43 | herlo | so food, gas, insurance, etc is less than 50% of my income atm and that's from my net amount |
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| 23:40.40 | Bikerdan | Gotta take off. Thanks for the info guys. G'night! |