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| 01:38.57 | fatal_error | hey steve, are you in this channel? Jason here (I'm the one that sent the messages about swiftmailer) |
| 02:05.19 | fatal_error | i guess not |
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| 04:02.28 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: ping |
| 04:04.09 | herlo | it's a trap! |
| 04:04.12 | ninnypants | DexterTheDragon: pong |
| 04:04.23 | herlo | ooh, too late! |
| 04:04.28 | ninnypants | hey herlo |
| 04:05.33 | herlo | hi ninnypants |
| 04:05.53 | ninnypants | how're things going? Still home? |
| 04:06.33 | herlo | ninnypants: yep. Doesn't look like I'll be going anywhere next week either. Kind of odd, tbh |
| 04:06.57 | herlo | though, I am not going to complain. I'm guessing customers will want me to be in 6 places at once, come July-December |
| 04:08.27 | ninnypants | probably so |
| 04:08.34 | ninnypants | what kind of consulting are you doing now? |
| 04:08.59 | herlo | all sorts |
| 04:09.32 | herlo | mostly enterprise software stuff. I've done clustering, satellite server, oracle migrations from Unix to Linux, etc. |
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| 15:35.12 | mgeary | morning folks |
| 15:35.20 | mindjuju_ | morning mgeary |
| 15:37.13 | mgeary | hey, we've had a project fall through here at Treeline, so we're looking to get some more production in. If anyone knows someone who needs some design, web development, mobile app development, or interactive media, send 'em my way. We're also a good option for outsourcing from larger companies |
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| 16:00.43 | carmony | sounds good mgeary :) |
| 16:06.48 | Monnok | $rlart |
| 16:06.49 | raifbot | eats macnewbold and falls over dead. |
| 16:07.51 | macnewbold | good morning to you too Monnok |
| 16:08.02 | Monnok | hehe |
| 16:08.03 | macnewbold | so Monnok, did you guys move now? or is that still in progress? |
| 16:08.10 | Monnok | move? |
| 16:08.31 | Monnok | oh that |
| 16:09.09 | Monnok | short of it is: still in progress |
| 16:12.22 | hhatfield | mgeary: what are Treeline's normal rates? |
| 16:12.46 | mgeary | hhatfield: we prefer to fix-bid things, but i can PM you with details |
| 16:17.58 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 16:17.59 | raifbot | decapitates kendsnyder conan the destroyer style. |
| 16:18.00 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
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| 16:33.59 | mindjuju_ | so i'm in the market for a 19" 42u server rack |
| 16:34.10 | mindjuju_ | anybody local to UC have one, looking to sell |
| 16:44.40 | macnewbold | nice |
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| 16:50.39 | mindjuju_ | grumble grumble |
| 16:51.06 | mindjuju_ | nothing yanks my chain more than giving somebody an idea and then they run around acting like it is theirs |
| 16:55.42 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:56.17 | Bikerdan | You know... Nothing yanks my chain like when other steal your ideas... |
| 16:56.18 | Bikerdan | Man. |
| 16:56.29 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 16:56.33 | Bikerdan | limh |
| 16:57.17 | macnewbold | man, i wish people would stop stealing my ideas and claiming them as their own... |
| 16:57.33 | Bikerdan | That's brilliant! |
| 16:57.43 | carmony | haha |
| 16:57.47 | Bikerdan | I totally agree |
| 16:57.51 | Bikerdan | I shoulda thought of that. |
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| 16:58.00 | carmony | stuff happening at work mindjuju_? |
| 16:58.02 | Bikerdan | Wait... I did |
| 16:58.53 | mindjuju_ | nah, work going well, it's this other guy. |
| 16:59.21 | mindjuju_ | how did your presentation go carmony? |
| 17:00.02 | carmony | they went really well |
| 17:00.06 | carmony | people liked the redis demo |
| 17:00.09 | macnewbold | nice |
| 17:00.55 | carmony | you get a lot of attention when you say |
| 17:01.00 | carmony | "So, I deployed 50 servers" |
| 17:04.32 | mindjuju_ | sounds like a good pickup line at SXSW |
| 17:06.04 | carmony | LOL |
| 17:10.16 | beandog | ~lart stupid mysql encoding issues |
| 17:10.16 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on stupid mysql encoding issues |
| 17:10.29 | beandog | WHY does MySQL connect as latin1 by default |
| 17:10.44 | beandog | WHY do I need to tell PHP to connect as UTF8 when the default encodings for everything is UTF8 |
| 17:10.47 | beandog | WHY MYSQL WHY |
| 17:11.07 | beandog | When ALL the databases and tables are UTF8 |
| 17:11.08 | beandog | Freek. |
| 17:11.11 | beandog | ~lart mysql |
| 17:11.11 | ibot | slaps mysql upside the head with a wet fish |
| 17:13.37 | beandog | Even after all that |
| 17:13.45 | beandog | PHP *still* connects to MySQL as latin1 by default |
| 17:13.59 | beandog | Even though I set UTF8 for the default connection in *ALL* the MySQL config options |
| 17:14.01 | beandog | FREEEEEEEEEEK |
| 17:14.08 | beandog | I really hate MySQL |
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| 17:16.12 | beandog | I did just eat some cookies to sooth my troubled soul |
| 17:16.18 | beandog | It makes me so mad |
| 17:18.12 | mindjuju_ | you do seem quite upset |
| 17:18.26 | beandog | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/279170/utf-8-all-the-way-through |
| 17:18.28 | beandog | backs me up |
| 17:18.32 | mindjuju_ | i wonder if you should look at postgres |
| 17:18.38 | beandog | In PHP, in whatever DB access method you use, you'll need to set the connection charset to utf8. This way, MySQL does no conversion from its native UTF-8 when it hands data off to PHP. For example, if you're using modern PHP's builtin mysql functions, you can use mysql_set_charset('utf8'...). |
| 17:19.05 | beandog | mindjuju_: no, I don't wanna do drastic changes like that |
| 17:19.09 | beandog | I'm slowly migrating us to use Percona |
| 17:19.16 | beandog | so first we're changing things to InnoDB |
| 17:19.21 | beandog | then later Percona |
| 17:19.28 | beandog | and after that Percona XtraDB Cluster |
| 17:19.33 | beandog | that's my master plan |
| 17:22.35 | mgeary | beandog: i'm curious, since you're migrating, why you chose Percona over Postgres |
| 17:22.39 | beandog | mindjuju_: postgres was the first database I learned. It is *awesome* |
| 17:22.45 | beandog | mgeary: less resistance. |
| 17:22.54 | beandog | mgeary: and less of a gamble on my part. |
| 17:23.09 | beandog | I don't wanna lose my sysadmin cred if I talk up postgres and then something blows up in my face. |
| 17:23.16 | beandog | We're already using MySQL everywhere |
| 17:23.34 | mgeary | sound reasonable |
| 17:23.41 | mgeary | *sounds |
| 17:23.50 | beandog | it's all about not upsetting the apple cart |
| 17:24.03 | beandog | We've started migrating existing clients to InnoDB though |
| 17:24.13 | beandog | And we're seeing good speed improvements, so everyone likes it so far |
| 17:24.32 | mgeary | interesting. I always thought MyISAM was faster than Inno |
| 17:24.37 | mgeary | has that changed? |
| 17:24.59 | beandog | MyISAM does table locking on updates |
| 17:25.03 | beandog | InnoDB does row locking |
| 17:25.29 | beandog | and InnoDB supports foreign keys |
| 17:26.36 | mgeary | sure |
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| 17:45.15 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:45.15 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on beandog and turns beandog into a brick |
| 17:46.33 | beandog | whut |
| 17:47.21 | beandog | unbrick my heart |
| 17:54.36 | beandog | my brick will go on |
| 17:58.36 | mindjuju_ | beandog - you have to see this commercial - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0hHaQgdypI |
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| 17:58.51 | mgeary | hey jtsnow |
| 17:59.09 | mgeary | so, apparently these Windows testing images will all expire July 26th. Do they post new images at that time? |
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| 18:04.13 | jsmith | mgeary: Yeah, they typically refresh them from time to time |
| 18:17.27 | beandog | mindjuju_: that was weird |
| 18:20.15 | mindjuju_ | you didn't thin kthat was funny? |
| 18:20.18 | mindjuju_ | sad |
| 18:20.56 | beandog | eh |
| 18:20.59 | beandog | It was interesting |
| 18:21.46 | beandog | It's just like with my parents! |
| 18:24.03 | beandog | except it's not |
| 18:27.53 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:27.56 | raifbot | hereby declares kendsnyder a troll. |
| 18:34.03 | beandog | this isn't as hardcore as I was hoping |
| 18:35.45 | fungus | lol, i wouldn't consider either Enya or jazz as even coming close to "hardcore" |
| 18:35.59 | beandog | heh |
| 18:36.16 | beandog | I've got some Dino |
| 19:01.01 | jtsnow | mgeary: I use snapshots/saved states to avoid expired images |
| 19:06.50 | TuxToaster | so even those expire? heh, maybe I'll just stick with my trial then :P |
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| 19:34.31 | TuxToaster | ~off me |
| 19:34.32 | ibot | ACTION Pushes tuxtoaster into the path of an oncoming vehicle and blames herlo |
| 19:34.52 | hhatfield | $8ball did herlo do it? |
| 19:34.54 | raifbot | hhatfield - Outlook good. |
| 19:35.00 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:35.19 | TuxToaster | not convinced. It didn't involve a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:35.23 | hhatfield | ~stop drop and roll |
| 19:35.23 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops drop and roll |
| 19:35.53 | hhatfield | ~stop ,drops and rolls |
| 19:35.53 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops ,drops and rolls |
| 19:36.21 | hhatfield | ~drop me |
| 19:36.30 | hhatfield | ~roll me |
| 19:36.30 | ibot | ACTION stuffs hhatfield in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain |
| 19:36.46 | hhatfield | ~jar me |
| 19:36.46 | ibot | hhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "romanovic !" |
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| 19:42.32 | romanovic | ~jar ibot |
| 19:42.32 | ibot | ibot took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "peno !" |
| 19:42.38 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:53.11 | mahelious | ~jar peno |
| 19:53.11 | ibot | peno took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "raifbot !" |
| 19:56.37 | TuxToaster | lol... |
| 19:56.40 | TuxToaster | ~blame raifbot |
| 19:56.40 | ibot | ACTION blames raifbot (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:57.25 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 19:57.25 | raifbot | Chuck Norris was once on Celebrity Wheel of Fortune and was the first to spin. The next 29 minutes of the show consisted of everyone standing around awkwardly, waiting for the wheel to stop. |
| 20:12.20 | mindjuju_ | i prefer Wheel of Fish |
| 20:12.32 | mindjuju_ | you could get a Red Snapper |
| 20:12.45 | Monnok | Or Wheel of CHeese |
| 20:13.32 | mindjuju_ | Monnok - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezvwARhBIc |
| 20:15.22 | Monnok | heh |
| 20:15.24 | ninnypants | UHF was so good |
| 20:15.40 | mindjuju_ | if you're going to watch that, then you have to watch this too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54 |
| 20:16.07 | Monnok | now THAT one ive seen/referenced before |
| 20:16.46 | mindjuju_ | yup, here is the headwaters of that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ |
| 20:16.56 | mindjuju_ | AFAIK |
| 20:25.55 | TuxToaster | hmm, trying to plan out some database changes and I've got someone asking me every few minutes how it's coming and if I'm done yet. |
| 20:26.40 | TuxToaster | but advice... if you have a bunch of widgets that can be put on a page with different settings... each widget has a row in the db... should I keep the settings for each widget serialized in a field, or break them out into an EAV type table? |
| 20:26.54 | TuxToaster | (the options will vary depending on the type of widget) |
| 20:27.40 | mindjuju_ | for Qs about DB schema, i'd lean on eggyknap |
| 20:28.04 | TuxToaster | I do too |
| 20:28.32 | TuxToaster | but trying to make sure this will be flexible enough for them to do some analytics and stats on who has what settings enabled, etc. |
| 20:28.43 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: WordPress serializes it's widgets and stores them all in one table row |
| 20:28.52 | ninnypants | thought I'm not sure that's the best |
| 20:29.04 | TuxToaster | yeah right now the entire layout is serailized in a widget |
| 20:29.13 | ninnypants | wow |
| 20:29.15 | TuxToaster | but makes it difficult to globally make changes |
| 20:30.25 | TuxToaster | well at the time it was written the widgets were a bit simpler. And we weren't going to force layout changes on people. |
| 20:31.11 | TuxToaster | but they seem stuck on the idea that they should be able to dictate to people what they have on their profiles, so I've got to leave them with an option |
| 20:31.30 | TuxToaster | thinking I might just keep the settings serialized since they are so variable |
| 20:31.32 | ninnypants | how're the widgets going to work? Do you have to configure once to use multiple places or configure for each place it's used? |
| 20:31.46 | TuxToaster | generally for each place it's used |
| 20:32.17 | ninnypants | seems like you could store the settings for groups of widgets together or something like that too |
| 20:32.17 | TuxToaster | like a custom text widget you can drag on and type in some text and a title, then drag another somewhere else on the page and add different text there |
| 20:32.23 | TuxToaster | true |
| 20:32.55 | ninnypants | but if you were going the configure once and use multiple then you would probably want to do a row for each widget |
| 20:33.04 | TuxToaster | but they are planning on having a huge number of widgets available at some point, ideally would like to avoid database changes for each |
| 20:34.08 | ninnypants | oh I was talking a row with a field for serialized setting not with a col for each setting |
| 20:34.30 | TuxToaster | ah |
| 20:35.17 | TuxToaster | yeah what I was thinking was similar then, a row for each widget that's added to the profile, and there would be a field for a serialized array of misc. settings |
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| 20:35.25 | ninnypants | you could do a widget area table and a widget table then a relationship table |
| 20:36.14 | ninnypants | though you could also just do a widget area table that had the widget area id title and a serialized group of widgets |
| 20:36.45 | TuxToaster | hmm |
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| 20:37.59 | ninnypants | though I guess what I just described wouldn't be very efficient if a widget needed to update what settings it needed to work because you'd have no real way of knowing what areas it was in without pulling it out and unserializing it |
| 20:38.42 | TuxToaster | yeah, that's the problem I was already having |
| 20:39.10 | TuxToaster | I mean, it works, it just doesn't seem very efficient |
| 20:39.34 | TuxToaster | especially if you want to globally see how many users have a setting enabled on a widget or something like that |
| 20:39.48 | SunSparc | Mmm... serial with marshmallows and milk... |
| 20:39.52 | TuxToaster | mmm |
| 20:39.54 | ninnypants | yeah I think the route would really depend on how much the core code of each of the widgets is going to change |
| 20:40.18 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: yeah that would be terrible for stats gathering |
| 20:40.22 | TuxToaster | heh, unfortunately it will probably be quite different |
| 20:41.06 | ninnypants | so once a widget is written in php or whatever it's going to still change a lot? Like required settings and things? |
| 20:41.07 | TuxToaster | though with them forcing layouts and such I'm half tempted to ask them why even bother with the widgets |
| 20:41.35 | TuxToaster | ah no the code itself wouldn't change, I meant the code is quite different between widgets |
| 20:41.59 | TuxToaster | but they are wanting to get people to create widgets for them and such as well |
| 20:44.35 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: I would say that if the settings aren't going to change after you serialize it then storing in groups wouldn't be a big deal other than for stats |
| 20:45.04 | ninnypants | though you could do a text search for stats to find areas that have certain widgets in them |
| 20:45.17 | itimber | hey guys |
| 20:45.34 | itimber | is there a way to chain custom function calls in jquery/js? |
| 20:45.55 | itimber | such as: step1().step2().step3(); |
| 20:46.14 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: yeah, that's what I've been doing with some of them. |
| 20:46.25 | itimber | how? |
| 20:46.48 | itimber | I'm getting an error of: step2() is not a method of step1() |
| 20:46.48 | TuxToaster | EAV sucks, but still seems like it's probably the only option outside of serializing them or to have dedicated columns |
| 20:47.03 | TuxToaster | itimber: not sure to be honest |
| 20:47.36 | itimber | k |
| 20:47.57 | ninnypants | itimber: you need to return the actual jquery object |
| 20:48.15 | itimber | oh |
| 20:48.25 | ninnypants | this talks about function chaining http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/Authoring |
| 20:48.37 | itimber | $().step1().step2().step3();? |
| 20:48.51 | TuxToaster | itimber: this might help http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4393019/how-to-chain-an-anonymous-function-in-jquery |
| 20:49.19 | TuxToaster | I'm not as familiar with custom functions but I think what they're getting at is you have to return the original jQuery object for the chaining to work |
| 20:49.54 | TuxToaster | so even without them being anonymous, if your custom func returns this then it might work |
| 20:50.43 | ninnypants | itimber: do you have code you can pastebin? |
| 20:50.51 | TuxToaster | see also http://www.intelligrape.com/blog/2010/06/04/jquery-chaining-of-your-custom-function-calls/ |
| 20:51.05 | TuxToaster | $lart EAV |
| 20:51.05 | raifbot | nukes EAV with a single large nuke. |
| 20:51.28 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: exactly though "this" needs to be the reference to the jquery object in this case |
| 20:51.37 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 20:51.39 | itimber | wait…. |
| 20:51.56 | itimber | if I make it all one function, it would run in a linear fashion, right? |
| 20:52.09 | itimber | I've got step1() prepping the data for the other steps.... |
| 20:52.14 | ninnypants | yep |
| 20:52.15 | itimber | but they're all running too quick |
| 20:52.20 | itimber | I may just do that |
| 20:52.36 | itimber | keep from burning anymore time on it, including your time |
| 20:52.37 | itimber | thanks |
| 20:52.51 | ninnypants | if you've got ajax and what not you'll want to make it non asynchronous |
| 20:53.55 | ninnypants | that one got me a while back |
| 20:57.54 | itimber | oh wow |
| 20:58.36 | itimber | ya, I'm storing everything in a DB, based on UUID in a cookie |
| 20:58.50 | itimber | so each ajax call gets everything it needs |
| 20:58.54 | itimber | is that what you mean? |
| 20:59.03 | itimber | maybe I'm missing your point |
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| 21:12.07 | ninnypants | itimber: so if you ajax call is asynchronus instead of synchrounus(blocking) then any code after that may get executed before it is finished so say you have $().step1().setp2() if step1() has a non blocking ajax call in it that once it is finished populates a table or content field then step2() sorts or preforms some other action on it step2() is likely not to have any data to work with |
| 21:13.12 | itimber | oh, that's exactly what is going on |
| 21:13.42 | itimber | step2() is running off data that is old, because step1() has not returned fresh data |
| 21:14.22 | itimber | but I just put all steps >1 into the .done(function(msg) {} of the returning ajax call |
| 21:14.28 | ninnypants | yeah so look at the async setting in $.ajax() |
| 21:14.29 | itimber | and it worked beautifully |
| 21:14.41 | ninnypants | http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/ |
| 21:14.42 | itimber | gotcha, will do |
| 21:14.44 | itimber | thanks man |
| 21:14.49 | ninnypants | np |
| 21:15.43 | ninnypants | also you'd probably want to put it in success instead of done since you wouldn't want it to run if the request failed |
| 21:17.55 | ninnypants | though looking at the docs closer done may be similar to success |
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| 21:38.23 | fungus | fridgesm, FYI, #utah already exists, and has done for a very long time. |
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| 21:39.56 | fridgesm | fungus: so what's the point of #uphpu? |
| 21:40.12 | beandog | the lulz |
| 21:40.23 | fungus | mostly because #utah is a lot more caustic than #uphpu |
| 21:40.35 | fungus | and they harbor lots of hatred of PHP |
| 21:40.43 | fungus | even more so than here. |
| 21:41.13 | fungus | Though they are still nice people, just don't mention PHP or politics around them. :) |
| 21:41.44 | fungus | unless you like playing w/ fire |
| 21:43.01 | fungus | Though it's sometimes really fun to play with fire. |
| 21:54.53 | UtahDave | Fungus, just finished attending a week long netapp training |
| 21:55.03 | fungus | fun |
| 21:59.27 | UtahDave | It was good. We didn't have any netapp expertise on staff and it was taking forever to figure it out on our own |
| 22:14.15 | macnewbold | man UtahDave, you just keep building and building your job security |
| 22:14.20 | macnewbold | they're never going to be able to live without you |
| 22:14.24 | ninnypants | anyone here worked with spatial data in mysql before? |
| 22:14.33 | macnewbold | their Asterisk would crash, their netapp would fail, |
| 22:14.38 | macnewbold | ninnypants: i think stderr_ has |
| 22:14.55 | macnewbold | i've done a little, but not much |
| 22:14.57 | fridgesm | ninnypants: yes |
| 22:15.05 | macnewbold | we just had GPS coordinates and did a little bit of stuff with them |
| 22:15.22 | ninnypants | fridgesm: got anything you'd recommend reading to get started? |
| 22:15.26 | UtahDave | Macnewbold, pretty much! |
| 22:15.31 | fridgesm | use MariaDB if you want to get accurate results from the functions |
| 22:15.54 | fridgesm | MySQL only returns results for the minimum bounding rectangle, instead of the shape you give it |
| 22:18.20 | macnewbold | good to know |
| 22:18.58 | ninnypants | fridgesm: any suggestions on where to find docs on functions and queries for it? |
| 22:19.51 | fridgesm | http://kb.askmonty.org/en/gis-features-in-533/ |
| 22:20.15 | fridgesm | note that InnoDB does NOT support spatial indexes |
| 22:20.27 | fridgesm | you can put spatial data in, but indexes aren't supported |
| 22:21.34 | ninnypants | so it would be better to use something like mysiam for searches to see what area a person is in? |
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| 22:31.16 | mindjuju_ | if /tmp is full, how would one go about clearing it? |
| 22:31.27 | mindjuju_ | with the ole rm -rf /tmp/* ? |
| 22:32.08 | macnewbold | yeah, that works :) |
| 22:32.17 | mindjuju_ | is it like crossing streams bad? |
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| 23:19.43 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: ping |
| 23:20.06 | fungus | DtD: pong |
| 23:24.31 | mgeary | hey |
| 23:25.11 | mgeary | anyone here ever used VC++ ? i'm trying to find some sample code i could give someone who doesn't know how to make an http POST using VC++ |
| 23:25.20 | mgeary | google isn't helping much |
| 23:25.53 | mgeary | aha. libcurl, maybe |
| 23:30.43 | fungus | I haven't touched VC++ since 1998 |
| 23:31.38 | herlo | I think you should keep it that way fungus :) |
| 23:31.52 | fungus | agreed |
| 23:32.22 | mgeary | it's questions like this that make me soooo grateful for python |
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