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| 01:03.58 | carmony | home sweet home... |
| 01:04.07 | carmony | $lart hhatfield |
| 01:04.08 | raifbot | crushes hhatfield with a full height scsi disk. |
| 01:04.17 | jsmith | $home carmony |
| 01:04.20 | jsmith | ~home carmony |
| 01:06.08 | jsmith | ~home carmony |
| 01:06.09 | ibot | ACTION welcomes carmony back to home sweet home |
| 01:07.46 | carmony | lol |
| 01:07.48 | carmony | nid3 |
| 01:07.50 | carmony | nice |
| 01:19.56 | jsmith | carmony: Somebody has to make you feel welcome, right? |
| 01:20.09 | carmony | yup :) |
| 01:27.26 | carmony | jsmith: how was your time out here in Utah |
| 01:27.27 | carmony | ? |
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| 01:30.24 | jsmith | carmony: Awesome, obviously... but at the same time, it's nice to be back home |
| 01:38.09 | carmony | yup |
| 01:38.18 | carmony | I have one more week |
| 01:38.20 | carmony | of travel |
| 01:39.02 | jsmith | Where are you now? |
| 01:40.15 | carmony | home now, then not next week but the week after I'm going to Chicago |
| 01:46.38 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: I need a php sticker, perferably one with an elephant. that is your task while at tek |
| 01:46.51 | carmony | DexterTheDragon: will do, birthday boy :P |
| 01:47.04 | DexterTheDragon | not anymore. now I'm just old |
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| 04:49.27 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets fridgesm feel it |
| 04:50.46 | SunSparc | You know, that could be a pretty good melee weapon. An optical disc accelerator/launcher. Replace a gatlin gun with one of those babies. Slice heads clean off. |
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| 13:26.18 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 13:26.18 | raifbot | duct-tapes hhatfield to the floor and drools on him. |
| 13:26.21 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 13:26.21 | ibot | beats wps severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 13:27.14 | hhatfield | two days in a row. I'm just gonna lart from now on but randomly choose who… as long as it's not me |
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| 15:17.12 | Monnok | $rlart |
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| 15:19.36 | mindjuju | SunSparc, you around? |
| 15:20.49 | josephscott | $8ball will this bug reveal its secrets today? |
| 15:20.49 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook not so good. |
| 15:21.07 | josephscott | $8ball what if I lart it a few times, will that help? |
| 15:21.07 | raifbot | josephscott - Signs point to yes. |
| 15:21.16 | josephscott | $lart crazy bug |
| 15:21.16 | raifbot | DoSes crazy bug. |
| 15:21.38 | mindjuju | what kind of bug josephscott |
| 15:21.54 | mindjuju | oh and by the way, it was good to meet your dad, you and he are quite alike |
| 15:22.54 | josephscott | an annoying bug, one that I blew all of yesterday on and didn't make much progress |
| 15:22.59 | josephscott | which really irks me |
| 15:23.17 | josephscott | yeah, I hear myself sounding more and more like my dad |
| 15:24.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:25.45 | josephscott | mindjuju: so how many t-shirts did you end up with in the end? |
| 15:26.02 | mindjuju | Not many, i actually have to inventory everything tomorrow |
| 15:26.23 | mindjuju | i'm going to put some dogs and burgers on the grill, empty the trailer, and count / sort everything |
| 15:26.34 | mindjuju | should make for a nice relaxing day |
| 15:26.40 | josephscott | :-) |
| 15:26.43 | hhatfield | josephscott: what sort of bug is it? |
| 15:27.02 | mindjuju | plus starting a couple nights ago, i've been doing tons of UTOSC2012 reporting on finances, etc |
| 15:27.17 | mindjuju | trying to get stuff hammered out while iron hot for IRS taxes 2013 |
| 15:27.39 | josephscott | not sure yet on the bug, all I know is that under certain conditions it fails to do the right thing with a 3rd party API service |
| 15:28.32 | josephscott | I'm doing the binary search test approach for commits to track it down |
| 15:28.43 | josephscott | which is not fast :-( |
| 15:29.00 | mindjuju | josephscott -- too bad you can't recursively ask yourself your question as you seem to always know the answer or where to look |
| 15:29.11 | josephscott | haha |
| 15:29.38 | josephscott | I've asked myself several times, now I'm just relying on the source to answer the question for me |
| 15:29.40 | macnewbold | josephscott: git bisect? |
| 15:29.47 | josephscott | svn |
| 15:29.50 | macnewbold | ah |
| 15:29.51 | macnewbold | harder |
| 15:29.58 | macnewbold | i did find out about svn log -v though |
| 15:30.03 | macnewbold | trying to track down when a file got deleted |
| 15:30.07 | josephscott | svn isn't the issue, it is running the full test each time |
| 15:30.12 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 15:30.29 | macnewbold | parallelize? |
| 15:30.43 | josephscott | 'svn up -r X' is plenty fast |
| 15:31.11 | josephscott | well, the full test means me interacting with the several steps it takes to trigger it, by hand, through the web UI |
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| 15:32.12 | josephscott | and then re-setting the state for the next run |
| 15:36.47 | mindjuju | oh man, how can this restaurant say they serve cajun food and offer ... Cajun Burrito |
| 15:37.25 | mindjuju | and then they say things like Add shrimp or crawfish for $2.59 |
| 15:37.39 | mindjuju | wait ... what?? you mean it's not in there already?? |
| 15:37.40 | hhatfield | oh man… if it's got like cajun rice and some kielbasa and a red bean sauce |
| 15:38.15 | hhatfield | some chicken in there |
| 15:38.15 | mindjuju | hhatfield all that in a tortilla? |
| 15:38.24 | hhatfield | mindjuju: amen! |
| 15:38.43 | hhatfield | enchilada style with a side of gumbo |
| 15:38.53 | mindjuju | hmm, maybe i'm being too quick to judge, but it doesn't sound like anything i ate or saw before |
| 15:38.54 | hhatfield | I'd pay for it |
| 15:39.45 | hhatfield | just remember… the tortilla is just a vessel, carrying whatever hidden flavors hide inside |
| 15:40.18 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 15:40.18 | raifbot | Darth Vader dresses up as Chuck Norris for Halloween. |
| 15:40.26 | josephscott | $8ball would chuck by that gumbo? |
| 15:40.27 | raifbot | josephscott - Without a doubt. |
| 15:40.27 | mahelious | just remember the tortilla is meant to keep the secret things hidden. NEVER unwrap the tortilla... |
| 15:40.28 | mindjuju | true, and I enjoy food variations and experiments, but some times, its nice to eat the traditional stuff too |
| 15:41.18 | mindjuju | there are some good cajun eats to be had in houston |
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| 15:44.21 | mindjuju | carmony |
| 15:44.23 | mindjuju | you around? |
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| 16:04.11 | josephscott | mindjuju: today is his first day at ddm |
| 16:04.31 | josephscott | so probably stuck in meetings all day :-) |
| 16:05.01 | mindjuju | oh yeah |
| 16:06.11 | josephscott | $lart meetings |
| 16:06.11 | raifbot | cuts meetings into thin stripes. |
| 16:06.19 | josephscott | $lart lots of meetings |
| 16:06.19 | raifbot | teaches lots of meetings the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 16:06.21 | hhatfield | ~love raifbot |
| 16:06.21 | ibot | If you love raifbot so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 16:50.35 | JacobEdmondKerr | Hey I have been developing for 7 years now and do not have a degree. I am 100% self educated. I have met a good handful of developers that have their degree and these high paying cushiony job but they suck! There code is messy and they are lazy and slow as hell. It drives me nutz these guys get to have the good jobs and I am stuck with the sucky ones when I swear I am 200 times beter then them! :) |
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| 17:13.06 | fungus | JacobEdmondKerr, I get what you are saying totally. But the problem also, often goes the other way too. |
| 17:13.31 | fungus | I've seen many self-taught PHP programmers that suck balls and get good jobs. |
| 17:13.33 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah. I guess that maybe true. :'( |
| 17:14.16 | fungus | I used to be one. :) |
| 17:14.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | LOL' |
| 17:14.37 | fungus | well, except for the good job part. |
| 17:14.51 | fungus | just the sucky PHP programmer |
| 17:15.46 | fungus | But degrees for sure do give you a head start usually. |
| 17:15.47 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah I use to suck but never got the good jobs. Sure they paid alright but everything else sucked. |
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| 17:16.05 | veonik | seems like many jobs want a CS degree or equivalent experience |
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| 17:16.28 | macnewbold | i think "equivalent experience" varies pretty widely from one place to another |
| 17:16.36 | fungus | I had to work crappy tech support jobs for years before I could get where I could have been much quicker if I just finished my degree. |
| 17:16.49 | veonik | definitely, but experience is usually much better than simple training |
| 17:16.53 | macnewbold | there are some things you learn (or show) by getting a degree (_any_ degree) and some companies value that highly |
| 17:17.00 | veonik | very true |
| 17:17.24 | veonik | re: my previous statement, I was getting at 'experience at solving business-related problems' |
| 17:17.44 | veonik | there is still a lot to be said for college education |
| 17:18.09 | eggyknap | My degree gave me a breadth I wouldn't otherwise have gotten as quickly; I also learned something about being systematic... but I could have learned that better in the right job environment (it would have had to have been *the right* job environment, though) |
| 17:19.05 | fungus | I wish I would have taken that Statistics class for sure before quitting. |
| 17:19.35 | fungus | wikipedia and Khan academy only get you so far. |
| 17:21.27 | TuxToaster | when it comes to hiring I think the developer's personality and choices are a key factor as well |
| 17:23.14 | TuxToaster | I've worked with some devs fresh out of college that had zero real-world experience, because they basically learned everything they knew about code in school and didn't spend much time outside of the classroom on it |
| 17:25.42 | TuxToaster | but the ones that had taken time to apply what they were learning and had started projects on the side and were doing it more for the enjoyment of it were consistently better than the ones who basically just learned how to do it for the sake of having a job |
| 17:26.08 | veonik | I think thats just the difference between someone who 'wants a job' and someone who 'loves their job' |
| 17:26.42 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 17:26.44 | veonik | or, rather, is passionate about their career |
| 17:27.33 | TuxToaster | I guess where I was going with that is that a lot of places put too much emphasis on the degree though. I agree with Mac that there are some valuable things you can learn |
| 17:28.08 | TuxToaster | but there are some really good devs out there without degrees that are good at what they do because they love it. |
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| 17:32.28 | TuxToaster | I've found that devs with degrees generally have a better grasp about testing methodologies and development processes though, which is great if the company is strict with following those |
| 17:38.15 | mindjuju | so quick question on find, i see in the man page that there is a flag called -maxdepth, i'm assuming the default behavior for find is that it recursively navigates all the way possible within the find /example/path UNLESS i specify the -maxdepth, and not the other way around |
| 17:44.07 | mahelious | wonder how long its going to take for the consumer cpu market to break the 4.0GHz "barrier" |
| 17:44.43 | TuxToaster | no joke |
| 17:45.26 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: I believe so |
| 17:45.50 | TuxToaster | like if you do find on / it traverses the entire tree |
| 17:47.56 | josephscott | mindjuju: yes |
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| 17:48.26 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 17:48.27 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. |
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| 18:40.29 | TuxToaster | http://cheezburger.com/6211122944?siteId=49 lol |
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| 19:41.43 | TuxToaster | *tumbleweeds* |
| 19:44.52 | Monnok | $rlart |
| 19:44.52 | raifbot | turns Monnok into a lifesized tux doll. |
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| 19:45.03 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:45.12 | Monnok | $8ball Will i be able to see the Avengers this weekend? |
| 19:45.13 | raifbot | Monnok - Yes - definitely. |
| 19:45.16 | TuxToaster | raifbot is really into the backfiring lately |
| 19:45.36 | Monnok | $roulette |
| 19:45.41 | Monnok | ~roulette |
| 19:45.42 | ibot | ACTION watches monnok pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 19:45.45 | Monnok | yep |
| 19:49.42 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:49.43 | raifbot | frags bitsmart with his BFG9000. |
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| 20:16.31 | mgeary | hey, mindjuju, remind me who here has some experience with Zend Framework |
| 20:16.37 | mgeary | i'm trying to figure out how to handle 404s |
| 20:17.47 | beandog | Bleh. How do I get postfix to accept emails for system users |
| 20:18.48 | mgeary | beandog: what's it currently doing? |
| 20:19.30 | beandog | mgeary: I'm sending all outgoing email through SendGrid with postfix |
| 20:19.35 | beandog | but I wanna send root@ locally |
| 20:22.39 | beandog | Oh I got it |
| 20:23.07 | mgeary | ok |
| 20:24.31 | fungus | ~google sendgrid |
| 20:24.45 | fungus | $google sendgrid |
| 20:24.46 | raifbot | fungus searching http://www.google.com/search?q=sendgrid -- http://sendgrid.com/ -- http://sendgrid.com/pricing.html -- http://twitter.com/%23!/sendgrid |
| 20:25.37 | fungus | ahh, relayhost=sendgrid |
| 20:25.43 | fungus | interesting. |
| 20:26.02 | mindjuju | mgeary -- carmony does |
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| 20:48.35 | josephscott | utahcon_: does/did Zend as well I think |
| 20:48.42 | josephscott | carmony: survive the first day? |
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| 22:28.56 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 22:28.57 | raifbot | throws peno's poor little doggy off a cliff. |
| 22:28.59 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 22:28.59 | ibot | chops TuxToaster in half with a free AOL CD |
| 22:29.11 | hhatfield | ~off me |
| 22:29.11 | ibot | ACTION Pushes hhatfield into the path of an oncoming vehicle and blames gshipley |
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| 22:30.34 | TuxToaster | $lart ibot |
| 22:30.35 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 22:35.54 | TuxToaster | josephscott: what is carmony surviving the first day of? new job? |
| 22:36.14 | josephscott | new job |
| 22:36.32 | josephscott | $8ball did carmony go crazy on his first day? |
| 22:36.33 | raifbot | josephscott - Without a doubt. |
| 22:36.34 | TuxToaster | wow, nice |
| 22:37.02 | macnewbold | woohoo! carmony's new job! |
| 22:37.10 | macnewbold | i was expecting a new home page on their site... |
| 22:37.18 | macnewbold | looks like he didn't finish that yet |
| 22:37.18 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:38.17 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: he probably had to get them moved over to Percona and Redis first. |
| 22:38.21 | TuxToaster | ;-) |
| 22:38.29 | macnewbold | that shouldn't take a whole day... |
| 22:38.42 | macnewbold | not for carmony anyway |
| 22:39.03 | TuxToaster | depends on who he has to fight |
| 22:40.33 | josephscott | ~fight |
| 22:40.34 | ibot | ACTION winds up and belts TuxToaster right in the nose! ouch! |
| 22:40.38 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 22:40.47 | TuxToaster | ~off josephscott |
| 22:40.47 | ibot | ACTION Pushes josephscott into the path of an oncoming vehicle and blames gshipley |
| 22:40.57 | josephscott | ~light TuxToaster |
| 22:41.02 | josephscott | $mindtrick TuxToaster |
| 22:41.02 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) TuxToaster move along. |
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| 22:41.48 | TuxToaster | so I finally found the droids we were looking for, but then this bot said something, and suddenly they weren't the droids we were looking for, and then I got all confused. |
| 22:41.58 | TuxToaster | I'm gonna get force choked tomorrow for sure. |
| 22:43.38 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:43.39 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
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| 22:58.10 | josephscott | ~rescue carmony |
| 22:58.10 | ibot | ACTION leaps into certain danger to rescue carmony and return carmony to safety! |
| 23:05.00 | carmony | whew |
| 23:05.05 | carmony | crazy first day |
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| 23:08.47 | carmony_ | lol |
| 23:09.30 | carmony_ | apparently disconnecting from the VPN kicks me off, who knew :P |
| 23:13.15 | josephscott | and there he goes again :-) |
| 23:17.38 | eggyknap | ssh bastions are an awfully nice alternative |
| 23:17.55 | eggyknap | I never understand why "vigilant" IT departments are always threatening to shut them down. |
| 23:21.03 | josephscott | at work we run one with ssh that listens to port 80 |
| 23:21.27 | josephscott | to help get around folks who block all traffic out of a network except HTTP/HTTPS |
| 23:21.35 | macnewbold | yeah, i have a box that listens for ssh on a whole bunch of common ports on a particular IP |
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