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| 15:16.55 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 15:16.56 | raifbot | Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. |
| 15:21.55 | carmony | good morning :) |
| 15:23.46 | Monnok | g' morning |
| 15:24.34 | carmony | so anyone want to work for Zynga? |
| 15:25.00 | hhatfield | ~no |
| 15:25.06 | Monnok | flash required i take it? |
| 15:25.11 | hhatfield | ~no carmony |
| 15:25.28 | carmony | lol |
| 15:25.50 | hhatfield | $8ball does anyone want to work for Zynga? |
| 15:25.51 | raifbot | hhatfield - Outlook not so good. |
| 15:25.54 | carmony | I got emailed by one of their recruiters last week. |
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| 15:27.46 | influx | carmony: Did you send them a reply in the form of a brick? |
| 15:28.27 | carmony | Naw, I thanked him, told him I already changing jobs and wasn't interested in moving to San Fransisco :P |
| 15:29.36 | carmony | I swear, I re-read my stuff sometimes and say "Where the heck did the 'was' go?" |
| 15:32.35 | mindjuju | any c++ aficionados ? |
| 15:33.45 | mahelious | dunno about aficionado...enthusiast certainly. |
| 15:34.07 | hhatfield | you know, if they'd used ++c, they could have saved a register |
| 15:34.43 | Monnok | yeah but it doesnt read quite right in my head |
| 15:34.47 | mindjuju | mahelious -- don't laugh, i know it's about 5 steps above "Hello World" but i'm still stuck |
| 15:35.00 | Monnok | oh wait, i do use it that way |
| 15:35.23 | mindjuju | so i have base class and a child class, and child inheirts from parent |
| 15:35.25 | Monnok | not even I know how i do what i do |
| 15:35.50 | mahelious | hhatfield: at least it wasnt C2.0 |
| 15:35.51 | mindjuju | wait, instead of explain, i should show |
| 15:36.29 | hhatfield | no time… sum up |
| 15:37.49 | mindjuju | so mahelious - here is zip of files http://dl.dropbox.com/u/65737/project_14.zip |
| 15:38.01 | mindjuju | the problem is here |
| 15:38.22 | mahelious | lol |
| 15:38.44 | mindjuju | in driver.cpp |
| 15:38.47 | mahelious | f'ng roger, people still putting up with his crap. |
| 15:38.53 | mahelious | oy vey |
| 15:39.30 | mahelious | mindjuju: if you can wait until this evening, im pretty sure i have my solution to this assignment tucked away in my nas somewhere ;) |
| 15:39.41 | mindjuju | i'm getting the object back from the linked list Node* temp = shoppingList.getFirst(); |
| 15:39.43 | mindjuju | ah gotcha |
| 15:39.47 | mindjuju | uno problemo |
| 15:39.50 | mindjuju | i have final tonight |
| 15:40.16 | mindjuju | i'll go back and hit book in interim, maybe farm out a little more |
| 15:40.48 | mahelious | i dont even have an ide on my work computer. let me install bloodshed really quick. |
| 15:40.52 | mindjuju | i know i'm close |
| 15:41.06 | mindjuju | i don't want you to have to install something |
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| 15:41.27 | carmony | that sounds funny... "Let me install bloodshed real quick...." |
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| 15:50.41 | carmony | mindjuju: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:50.52 | mahelious | hm. this is making me sad. my c++ has gotten really rusty. |
| 15:50.54 | mindjuju | print out the objects in the linked list |
| 15:51.19 | mahelious | but the ide is whining about getQuantity, getDescription. where are those defined? |
| 15:51.53 | mindjuju | those are defined in the grocery.h / grocery.cpp |
| 15:54.09 | mahelious | and grocery is inheriting from Node? |
| 15:54.52 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 16:07.59 | hhatfield | where in the project description does it say that prnList() is supposed to pop the items? |
| 16:08.23 | mahelious | im not seeing it right now. sorry. there should be some kind of translation for storing the grocery as a node, but then pulling a grocery item back out of it, but im not sure why thats not happening. |
| 16:08.26 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 16:08.26 | raifbot | whacks opapo upside the head. |
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| 16:09.39 | hhatfield | also, may be a pedantic thing, but they want a function called printList and you have prnThis |
| 16:10.18 | mahelious | whos teaching your class this semester? |
| 16:10.48 | mindjuju | Dallas Harken |
| 16:10.57 | mindjuju | well, roger is too, but i'm taking it from dallas |
| 16:15.22 | captbrogers | Anyone in the Orem area today? |
| 16:15.49 | mindjuju | yes |
| 16:15.58 | captbrogers | Want to meet up at Rumbi for lunch? |
| 16:16.23 | mindjuju | would love to on Thursday, have c++ final today, physics on wednesday :( |
| 16:16.47 | captbrogers | I'd be up for that. I can go then too. I'm just really in the mood for one of their burgers today |
| 16:18.07 | mindjuju | mahelious, i just got the answer from dallas |
| 16:18.08 | mindjuju | it's this |
| 16:18.10 | mindjuju | ((Grocery *)temp)->getDescription() |
| 16:18.17 | captbrogers | Do you have or have you had Reza Sinati for C++? |
| 16:18.31 | mindjuju | and to think i was literally working on this for like 3 hrs last night, no joke |
| 16:18.41 | mindjuju | the rest of the assignment, easy as pie, just this part |
| 16:18.48 | mahelious | thats some weird type cast |
| 16:18.53 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 16:18.54 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Clear 54f / 12c Humidity: 54% Wind: N at 0 mph |
| 16:18.59 | hhatfield | mindjuju: and it doesn't look like you're advancing temp through the list? |
| 16:19.02 | carmony | $weather 84405 |
| 16:19.02 | raifbot | 3carmony - 0,2current weather for 84405 - Clear 64f / 18c Humidity: 40% Wind: S at 5 mph |
| 16:19.34 | influx | $8ball Will it blend? |
| 16:19.34 | raifbot | influx - Outlook not so good. |
| 16:19.38 | influx | :( |
| 16:20.38 | hhatfield | mindjuju: maybe need a temp = temp->getNext() instead of the shoppingList.getFirst()->getNext(); |
| 16:28.47 | hhatfield | mindjuju: another suggestion would be to add a print() to your Node class. Then your printList doesn't need to know that it's a Grocery object. Your Grocery class would then implement print() to print the qty and desc. |
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| 16:32.43 | carmony | so we have anyone who is going to submit for zendcon this year? http://zendcon.com/callforpaper/ |
| 16:34.03 | hhatfield | not I. I think I still need to build up some street cred before I do something like that! |
| 16:34.51 | jsmith | carmony: Oooh, there's another conference I didn't have on my list.... hmmmmmn.... |
| 16:35.53 | mahelious | hhatfield: the printList() is a requirement of the project. but otherwise thats a good suggestion |
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| 16:36.41 | hhatfield | mindjuju: you would still have printList(), it would just be able to ignore which type of Node was passed into it |
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| 16:37.05 | hhatfield | and could possibly handle lists of mixed node types |
| 16:42.12 | carmony | jsmith: yeah, ZendCon is probably the largest PHP Conf I know of |
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| 16:58.42 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 16:58.43 | raifbot | Chuck Norris has all the No. 1 pencils. |
| 16:59.42 | hhatfield | ~say $lart chuck norris |
| 16:59.43 | ibot | $lart chuck norris |
| 16:59.43 | raifbot | ibot are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 16:59.46 | Heartsbane | mindjuju: ping |
| 16:59.46 | josephscott | $8ball will chuck ever give them back? |
| 16:59.47 | raifbot | josephscott - You may rely on it. |
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| 17:34.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Am I justified in getting annoyed by answers like "Google it" or "Try it and see" when asking about a specific language feature in a help channel? |
| 17:38.42 | clintberry | Lone_Wanderer: ha ha, I admit I sometimes use this site, but mostly with my friends since I don't want to offend people: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Am+I+justified+in+getting+annoyed+by+answers+like+%22Google+it%22+or+%22Try+it+and+see%22+when+asking+about+a+specific+language+feature+in+a+help+channel%3F |
| 17:39.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, lmgtfy seems designed specifically to be as rude and unhelpful as possible. |
| 17:39.30 | clintberry | Totally |
| 17:39.44 | clintberry | Do you need any help with PHP stuff? |
| 17:39.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Even if someone has never heard of Google before (which excludes anyone you might actually meet on the Internet) it doesn't explain to them what it is or how to use it :P |
| 17:39.48 | Lone_Wanderer | sadly, no |
| 17:39.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I just needed a place to whine |
| 17:39.53 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 17:40.09 | clintberry | ha ha, I am pretty sure that is allowed here |
| 17:40.15 | carmony | haha, I know I do it all the time :) |
| 17:40.32 | hhatfield | $8ball is whining allowed here? |
| 17:40.32 | raifbot | hhatfield - Don't count on it. |
| 17:42.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm about to get booted from ##java |
| 17:45.36 | romanovic | Lone_Wanderer: heh completely justified. you ask someone first because you value their opinion and experience more than the results google thinks are most relevant |
| 17:48.36 | fungus | I think it depends on the question. |
| 17:48.54 | macnewbold | imho, being rude is uncalled for generally, but i also feel like question askers should try to find an answer before they bug other people to find them the answer |
| 17:48.54 | fungus | For an opinion question, an lmgtfy is totally rude. |
| 17:49.27 | macnewbold | lmgtfy ~= rt[Fine]m |
| 17:49.33 | fungus | For a question that has an empirical answer easily found by a simple google, then it's not rude to lmgtfy. It's rude to for the asker. |
| 17:50.37 | Lone_Wanderer | sure, of course |
| 17:50.41 | romanovic | yah, i think that's fair. |
| 17:50.42 | fungus | eg. Don't waste my time asking for the arguments to a php function |
| 17:51.13 | fungus | But asking for my opinion or best practice for using some feature, is totally fine with me. |
| 17:51.42 | josephscott | agreed ^^ |
| 17:52.04 | mgeary | though i might also add that the "fm" is often not very helpful at ALL |
| 17:52.39 | mgeary | for example, I find python's documentation to be very detailed, and, because it has nearly ZERO examples, often very *useless* |
| 17:52.51 | TuxToaster | ++ |
| 17:53.25 | fungus | ~php manual++ |
| 17:53.32 | josephscott | I'll second that as well, I've been repeatedly surprised how few examples there are in the python docs |
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| 17:54.51 | TuxToaster | when I dabbled in Python I found the Django docs to be reasonably helpful at least, but the frustrating thing at the time was that they didn't match the currently available versions at all |
| 17:55.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know why every language can't have PHP's documentation format. |
| 17:55.50 | romanovic | I worked at a place years ago where a couple higher-ranking programmers routinely criticised and re-wrote sections of code us other programmers had written |
| 17:55.52 | Lone_Wanderer | It's genius. |
| 17:56.25 | romanovic | And never learned the lesson that we had tried to involve them earlier on, and they couldn't be bothered |
| 17:56.48 | Lone_Wanderer | That's kind of annoying. |
| 17:57.18 | romanovic | many hours wasted. |
| 17:58.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I worked at a place a few years ago where a couple higher-ranking soldiers did all the work because we (the new guys) weren't as familiar with the process, and therefore never learned how to actually do it. That was a lot of wasted time, on everyone's part. |
| 17:58.25 | fungus | But the other programmers now get credit/boasting rights for the improved code. |
| 17:58.46 | fungus | If they helped you in the first place, they only get the assist |
| 17:59.05 | Lone_Wanderer | It also doesn't let them look down on you. |
| 17:59.10 | fungus | exactly |
| 17:59.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, if they teach you, then you might end up as good or (horror!) better than they are. |
| 17:59.30 | fungus | lol |
| 17:59.40 | romanovic | fungus: that's true. i wouldn't even mind that much, except they would modify code based on industry best practices, and then spaghettify it to make it fit with other legacy code still in use. |
| 18:00.35 | fungus | lol, spaghetti code as a virus. |
| 18:00.40 | Lone_Wanderer | (Comic Book Guy) Ohhh, I see you failed to utilize the relatively unknown but in this case perfect function which will make your code 3.4% more efficient. Somehow I am not surprised that you had not heard of it. |
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| 18:12.58 | macnewbold | ~moss |
| 18:13.05 | macnewbold | ~moss someone |
| 18:15.21 | carmony | $lart macnewbold |
| 18:15.21 | raifbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives macnewbold a good jolt. |
| 18:15.27 | carmony | how was UPHPU last thursday/ |
| 18:15.37 | macnewbold | ibot, moss $1 is <reply> $1: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 18:15.38 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 18:15.42 | macnewbold | ~moss carmony |
| 18:15.42 | ibot | carmony: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 18:15.53 | carmony | haha, nice |
| 18:16.01 | macnewbold | uphpu was good, carmony |
| 18:16.11 | carmony | who presented? |
| 18:16.12 | macnewbold | c7 gave a nice show |
| 18:16.15 | macnewbold | mike maughan |
| 18:16.21 | carmony | ah, thats right, I wish I could have been there |
| 18:16.27 | macnewbold | they recorded it |
| 18:16.29 | carmony | always interested in new technologies like that |
| 18:16.31 | carmony | oh cool |
| 18:16.44 | macnewbold | fozz and fridgesm were working on it |
| 18:16.46 | macnewbold | if you wanted to see it |
| 18:16.57 | macnewbold | doh |
| 18:17.04 | macnewbold | geek cruise? or fun cruise w/wife? |
| 18:17.11 | macnewbold | s/wife/accountant/ |
| 18:17.16 | carmony | work cruise |
| 18:17.19 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:17.23 | carmony | but I was the tag along |
| 18:17.26 | macnewbold | nice |
| 18:17.30 | carmony | My wife and her father were doing busing stuff |
| 18:17.35 | macnewbold | post-tax cpa vacation? |
| 18:17.41 | carmony | yeah, kinda |
| 18:18.17 | macnewbold | ~roy |
| 18:18.19 | macnewbold | ~roy someone |
| 18:18.32 | macnewbold | ibot, roy $1 is see moss $1 |
| 18:18.32 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 18:18.39 | macnewbold | ~roy raifbot |
| 18:18.39 | ibot | see moss raifbot |
| 18:18.52 | macnewbold | ibot, no, roy $1 is <see> moss $1 |
| 18:18.52 | ibot | macnewbold: okay |
| 18:18.57 | macnewbold | ~roy raifbot |
| 18:18.58 | ibot | <see> moss raifbot |
| 18:19.01 | macnewbold | barf |
| 18:19.03 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:19.23 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:19.24 | raifbot | sends a legion of lawyers after hhatfield's head. |
| 18:19.55 | carmony | So I was cruising with a bunch of bankers and accountants |
| 18:20.01 | carmony | but it was a lot of fun :) |
| 18:20.14 | TuxToaster | at least they didn't sink the ship |
| 18:20.48 | mgeary | never been on a cruise |
| 18:21.25 | macnewbold | ibot, no, roy $1 is <reply> $1: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 18:21.26 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 18:21.27 | carmony | cruises are awesome |
| 18:21.33 | macnewbold | ~roy raifbot |
| 18:21.34 | ibot | raifbot: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 18:22.03 | Lone_Wanderer | 'ello, IT. |
| 18:22.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Did they restart that series? |
| 18:23.14 | TuxToaster | ~roy macnewbold |
| 18:23.15 | ibot | macnewbold: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 18:23.15 | SunSparc_ | carmony: I am still waiting to see more pictures than just the boat. :) |
| 18:23.31 | macnewbold | ~moss TuxToaster |
| 18:23.31 | ibot | TuxToaster: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 18:23.35 | macnewbold | ~lolstats |
| 18:23.35 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4319. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 626 (14.5%), carmony -- 517 (12.0%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.1%) |
| 18:23.38 | carmony | haha, I'll get them on ehtere |
| 18:23.47 | romanovic | Lone_Wanderer: i kept hearing rumors after season 4 that they would do season 5. haven't seen it happen yet. |
| 18:23.52 | Lone_Wanderer | oh well |
| 18:24.03 | TuxToaster | ~macnewbold |
| 18:24.03 | ibot | well, macnewbold is not very good in stew |
| 18:24.08 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 18:24.16 | Lone_Wanderer | at least Venture Brothers is getting going again this fall |
| 18:24.25 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:24.25 | ibot | somebody said lone_wanderer was goes through sunflower seeds way too fast, or an acolyte of mindjuju's musical tastes, or not heckariffic (whatever that is) |
| 18:24.43 | TuxToaster | ibot, macnewbold is also obsessed with checking ~lolstats |
| 18:24.43 | ibot | ACTION wallops is also obsessed with checking ~lolstats with a flip-flop |
| 18:24.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I actually haven't had any seeds in a long time. |
| 18:24.50 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 18:25.06 | TuxToaster | that didn't go as planned |
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| 18:41.51 | carmony | bah, my firefox crashed: http://i43.tinypic.com/10mqya9.jpg |
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| 18:46.09 | mindjuju | mgeary - i'm glad to see that homeland security decided that a flea market was worthy of protecting from the vile of piracy - http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-raid-20120422,0,5167978.story |
| 18:47.18 | mindjuju | thing i can't figure out, SOPAs defeat didn't change anything, they are still doing what they will, why'd they even bother making SOPA in the first place, that's what i don't understand |
| 18:52.11 | mgeary | mindjuju: well, i'd rather they do that than persist with the absurd security theater at airports… |
| 18:57.58 | carmony | mgeary: that reminds me... I need to buy more shampoo... |
| 18:58.40 | carmony | in the hurry to leave the cruise ship and get to our flight, I forgot to switch over my shampoo from my carry-on to my checked luggage |
| 18:58.58 | carmony | and TSA threw it away |
| 19:00.11 | mgeary | well, at least you were all safe |
| 19:00.16 | mgeary | whew |
| 19:05.51 | carmony | lol |
| 19:06.12 | carmony | I'm so glad my wife has a great sense of humor, she just sent this to me: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/crazy-parenting-fails-parenting-fails-informed-parents.jpg |
| 19:07.05 | carmony | oh, and I saw a popeye's yesterday and though of mindjuju. |
| 19:08.24 | carmony | though I didn't have time to go and eat there, which was tragic |
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| 19:17.34 | mgeary | so... |
| 19:17.58 | mgeary | i'm on a new network connection and router, and i keep dropping my connection for a few seconds at a time. Anyone have ideas on troubleshooting this? |
| 19:18.14 | mgeary | i first thought it might be wifi, but now i'm hardwired, and it still happens |
| 19:18.30 | mgeary | happens probably 10-20 times/hour, so it's pretty annoying |
| 19:19.18 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: probably just a side effect of the NSA tracking software |
| 19:19.23 | mgeary | also, what should i change on my router so it allows me to ping an external IP? currently it somehow eats the responses |
| 19:20.02 | mgeary | ah, apparently i've found the ping issue |
| 19:20.08 | mgeary | though not sure which setting did the trick :s |
| 19:20.30 | jsmith | mgeary: Did you turn off auto-negotiation (and just hardcode the switch port to 100mb full-duplex?) |
| 19:21.02 | mgeary | jsmith: no. any idea under what option that might live? |
| 19:21.22 | jsmith | Obviously, depends on the switch or router. |
| 19:21.23 | mgeary | it's a Cisco prosumer wifi router |
| 19:21.32 | mgeary | nothing too high end |
| 19:21.45 | mgeary | but it does have a decent web-based admin tool |
| 19:22.45 | mgeary | there it goes again |
| 19:32.27 | mgeary | bah |
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| 19:49.22 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 19:49.22 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down stderr|c's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:49.28 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 19:49.28 | raifbot | eats mahelious and falls over dead. |
| 19:49.51 | captbrogers | !rlart |
| 19:50.08 | captbrogers | ...I am disappoint. |
| 19:50.44 | mahelious | ~moss captbrogers |
| 19:50.44 | ibot | captbrogers: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
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| 20:10.27 | Heartsbane | mindjuju: ping |
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| 20:34.02 | josephscott | I really don't like the new UI in phpmyadmin |
| 20:38.05 | mindjuju | sup Heartsbane |
| 20:39.39 | mindjuju | Heartsbane , PM me |
| 21:30.45 | ninnypants | josephscott: the new ajax style UI? |
| 21:45.22 | josephscott | what ever the new one is, takes up lots of space, harder to read, etc. |
| 21:51.22 | mgeary | okay, so i really don't like that git doesn't give me the before and after full file versions of a conflict like svn does. Is there a way to make it do that? |
| 21:53.14 | hhatfield | mgeary: not that I'm aware of |
| 21:53.34 | hhatfield | there are different merging patterns where you can select to use "ours" or "theirs" |
| 21:59.22 | mgeary | i'd rather reconcile manually |
| 21:59.30 | tierra | josephscott: one of the first things I do on the new versions of PMA is add $cfg['PropertiesIconic'] = true; |
| 21:59.41 | mgeary | but i haven't yet trained myself to easily interpret the markings git throws in there |
| 21:59.42 | tierra | that's one change I couldn't stand |
| 21:59.42 | mgeary | bah |
| 22:00.33 | josephscott | yeah, I should go through the settings, see what I can adjust |
| 22:01.21 | tierra | mgeary: you can add in custom diff/merge tools... see: http://gitguru.com/2009/02/22/integrating-git-with-a-visual-merge-tool/ |
| 22:13.12 | mindjuju | c++ final in less than an hour! CRAP! |
| 22:13.27 | hhatfield | no… CRAM |
| 22:14.25 | mindjuju | ds = global variables, stack = code, heap local variables ? |
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| 22:41.01 | macnewbold | mindjuju: don't worry about globals - they're a bad habit anyway |
| 22:41.24 | macnewbold | iirc stack also has statically allocated variables, and heap is only dynamically allocated |
| 22:41.40 | herlo | mindjuju: do everything in globals, don't listen to macnewbold |
| 22:41.43 | herlo | :) |
| 22:41.47 | macnewbold | ~roy wps |
| 22:41.47 | ibot | wps: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 22:41.59 | herlo | lol |
| 22:42.11 | macnewbold | ~moss herlo |
| 22:42.11 | ibot | herlo: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 22:42.17 | herlo | nice |
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