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| 15:09.56 | Monnok | ~cheer ibot |
| 15:09.57 | ibot | ACTION cheers ibot on |
| 15:10.22 | Monnok | a bit narcissistic of ibot |
| 15:13.19 | hhatfield | ~say $lart raifbot |
| 15:13.20 | ibot | $lart raifbot |
| 15:13.20 | raifbot | slaps ibot upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
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| 15:17.50 | SunSparc | ibot welcome back |
| 15:17.50 | ibot | Welcome to the party, back! |
| 15:17.53 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:18.12 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 15:18.12 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on djedi |
| 15:18.32 | SunSparc | As opposed to a humongous non-exploding nuke. |
| 15:18.39 | josePHPagoda | ibot welcome ibot |
| 15:18.39 | ibot | Good to see you, ibot! |
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| 15:22.57 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: lol. I don't have any control over ibot |
| 15:23.06 | TuxToaster | $lart ibot |
| 15:23.06 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 15:23.09 | TuxToaster | aside from that |
| 15:23.33 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: I know, I realized what I had typed after I entered it. lol |
| 15:23.48 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:23.48 | raifbot | whacks jsmith with a giant beaver's tail. |
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| 15:42.20 | josePHPagoda | clintberry: how's life? |
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| 15:43.15 | clintberry | Since yesterday? Good. :-) It is Brat thursday at work, so that is always nice. How about you? |
| 15:43.21 | clintberry | josePHPagoda: ^ |
| 15:43.32 | herlo | you have annoying little kids at your work on Thursday? |
| 15:43.37 | herlo | that doesn't sound fun |
| 15:43.39 | josePHPagoda | and why would that be good? |
| 15:43.42 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 15:45.09 | clintberry | oh sorry |
| 15:45.16 | clintberry | brat with two dots over the a |
| 15:45.21 | clintberry | sounds like braught |
| 15:45.26 | clintberry | you know, hot dogs |
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| 16:02.07 | clintberry | No one likes bräts? |
| 16:02.10 | beandog | buenos |
| 16:03.24 | mahelious | bartwuerst, you put umlauts over the u, not the a |
| 16:03.41 | mahelious | s/bartwuerst/bratwuerst |
| 16:03.48 | clintberry | oh :-) thanks |
| 16:04.03 | mgeary | wollte ja sagen |
| 16:04.59 | clintberry | mahelious: Are you sure? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratwurst |
| 16:05.29 | mahelious | "derived from Old High German Brätwurst" |
| 16:05.38 | clintberry | yeah, over the a |
| 16:05.44 | mahelious | yeah, 1600 years ago |
| 16:05.49 | clintberry | :-) |
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| 16:06.42 | mahelious | umlaut over an a makes a hard A sound, so brät rhymes with brake |
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| 16:10.20 | mgeary | well, that's mostly right, but if you want to get picky, it needs a diphthong, so it's not quite the same sound as "brake". However, the umlaut also only goes on the plural of wurst (Würste), not the singular. |
| 16:10.45 | mahelious | mgeary: ach so. genau. |
| 16:11.33 | mahelious | clintberry: and yes, brats are AWESOME. with sauerkraut and deli mustard |
| 16:11.55 | clintberry | I am excited... :-) |
| 16:12.17 | mgeary | mahelious: you're hardcore. i never could acquire a taste for sauerkraut |
| 16:13.02 | mahelious | i started making my own. it doesnt taste the same over here. |
| 16:13.32 | SunSparc | Mmmm... sauerkraut geschmekt gut |
| 16:13.32 | mahelious | the only close kraut ive found is the stuff in the bags, hebrew national i think? |
| 16:13.32 | mgeary | wow. like i say, hardcore |
| 16:13.55 | clintberry | mahelious: You should come today with your home made saurkraut...:-) |
| 16:14.41 | mahelious | :( |
| 16:14.51 | mahelious | im on day 4 of a two week juice fast |
| 16:15.03 | SunSparc | nice |
| 16:15.04 | herlo | lame |
| 16:15.34 | herlo | you should cancel the fast and eat brats! |
| 16:15.37 | herlo | :P |
| 16:16.06 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 16:16.12 | beandog | mahelious: why do you fast from juice? |
| 16:17.07 | SunSparc | mahelious: what kind of juice? |
| 16:18.50 | mahelious | SunSparc: been getting into everything so far. cabbage, celery, carrots, beets, kale, spinach, apple, pineapple, plums, strawberries... |
| 16:19.24 | mahelious | and I almost completely agree with herlo |
| 16:20.35 | herlo | lol |
| 16:29.15 | josePHPagoda | i once had the wurst worst |
| 16:29.19 | josePHPagoda | oh wait |
| 16:29.21 | josePHPagoda | worst wurst |
| 16:29.23 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 16:29.27 | josePHPagoda | it was so bratty |
| 16:29.46 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:30.10 | beandog | oh my |
| 16:30.27 | SunSparc | mahelious: yummy :) |
| 16:30.59 | SunSparc | mahelious: There is a lot of goodness in a mix like that. |
| 16:31.12 | SunSparc | How are you feeling, physically, mentally, etc? |
| 16:33.55 | mahelious | better than awhile. sleeping regularly for the first time this year. feel more mentally alert. |
| 16:34.33 | beandog | mahelious: what are you doing? |
| 16:34.47 | mahelious | about the only downside so far is I start to cry a little every time I see someone eating a hamburger. had to turn off Dives and Drive-ins last night |
| 16:35.29 | josePHPagoda | ok, so i've set up gmail to do imap |
| 16:35.35 | josePHPagoda | my password works to login |
| 16:35.42 | josePHPagoda | but my thunderbird can't communicate with it |
| 16:35.44 | josePHPagoda | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 17:12.41 | fungus | josePHPagoda, did you enable SSL? it's required w/ gmail |
| 17:13.09 | josePHPagoda | yes |
| 17:14.42 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:14.42 | raifbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps jnbek. |
| 17:15.22 | TuxToaster | josePHPagoda: might be worth turning IMAP off and back on |
| 17:15.29 | Monnok | $rlart |
| 17:15.29 | raifbot | cats /dev/urandom into clintberry's ear. |
| 17:15.42 | TuxToaster | not sure about now, but it used to be that it had an issue where it would get stuck and woudln't auth... and that often fixed it |
| 17:15.53 | TuxToaster | particularly if you had changed any IMAP settings or enabled POP after it was turned on |
| 17:16.13 | DexterTheDragon | josePHPagoda: yes, have you tried rebooting gmail? |
| 17:16.21 | fungus | josePHPagoda, try to connect manually yourself. "openssl s_client -connect imap.gmail.com:993" |
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| 17:16.29 | josePHPagoda | let me try disabling/reenabling |
| 17:16.39 | fungus | then login with ". login <email address> <password> |
| 17:17.24 | josePHPagoda | no diff |
| 17:35.02 | SunSparc | mahelious: lol, about the crying over hamburgers. ;) |
| 17:35.47 | mahelious | argh...i want a burger so bad right now. |
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| 17:36.12 | mahelious | with pepper jack cheese, sauteed mushrooms, bacon, bacon, bacon... |
| 17:36.19 | SunSparc | heh, it will pass |
| 17:36.50 | captbrogers | mahelious, have to say one of the best burgers I've had was from a small pub in Cottonwood near the mouth of the canyon |
| 17:37.19 | captbrogers | They let you pick any three toppings. I always got a cheese, bacon, and pineapple. They didn't mind putting BBQ sauce on it instead of mayo. |
| 17:37.22 | SunSparc | josePHPagoda: Have you looked at this: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=75726 |
| 17:37.33 | josePHPagoda | yes |
| 17:37.41 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 17:37.42 | josePHPagoda | i used thunderbird with 2 other gmail accts |
| 17:37.52 | josePHPagoda | it's this third that's giving me troubles |
| 17:38.02 | SunSparc | Setup the same way? |
| 17:38.07 | josePHPagoda | identically |
| 17:38.12 | josePHPagoda | i think i'm suffering form a gmail bug |
| 17:38.13 | SunSparc | Odd |
| 17:38.23 | josePHPagoda | this acct has just acted oddly anyway |
| 17:38.43 | SunSparc | There has to be something different. |
| 17:39.25 | josePHPagoda | well, i had it rejecting my pass that I knew was correct |
| 17:39.39 | josePHPagoda | for a while |
| 17:39.53 | SunSparc | I do not use Thunderbird, I use Apple Mail, but I have 8 different IMAP accounts running in it and they have not given me any problems. |
| 17:40.11 | herlo | ew |
| 17:40.14 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 17:40.25 | SunSparc | Gmail IMAP at that. |
| 17:40.36 | herlo | SunSparc: gmail IMAP works great for me on Thunderbird |
| 17:40.55 | josePHPagoda | it does for me too, except for this one addy |
| 17:41.00 | SunSparc | Yeah, I should think it would, herlo. |
| 17:41.22 | herlo | SunSparc: I just realized it was josePHPagoda who was having issues, not you. Sorry man |
| 17:41.36 | SunSparc | I have not tried any of my Google accounts with Pine though... |
| 17:41.36 | herlo | but still... 'ew' |
| 17:41.44 | SunSparc | herlo: lol |
| 17:42.08 | herlo | josePHPagoda: have you made sure you have imap enabled in gmail? Can't see that being asked |
| 17:42.48 | herlo | I see something similar, I guess... |
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| 17:44.41 | josePHPagoda | i enabled it |
| 17:44.54 | josePHPagoda | like I said, i used this with 2 other gservices accts |
| 17:46.40 | herlo | just checking |
| 17:46.54 | herlo | I've done that before |
| 17:48.03 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 17:48.07 | josePHPagoda | it's puzzling |
| 17:48.12 | josePHPagoda | and rather frustrating |
| 17:48.21 | josePHPagoda | i'll try to tackle it tonight |
| 17:49.02 | herlo | can you telnet/nc to the port? even if you get junk it will give you a clue |
| 17:49.16 | josePHPagoda | my other addresses work |
| 17:49.20 | josePHPagoda | and i'm getting an auth failure |
| 17:49.25 | herlo | oh, okay |
| 17:49.36 | josePHPagoda | i think i've hit a gmail bug |
| 17:49.40 | josePHPagoda | is it still beta? |
| 17:49.44 | josePHPagoda | or do I need to enable the beta flag? |
| 17:49.47 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
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| 17:50.24 | fungus | josePHPagoda, do you have two factor auth enabled? |
| 17:50.32 | josePHPagoda | i dunno |
| 17:50.46 | josePHPagoda | i set it up like I set up my other accts |
| 17:51.03 | fungus | if you don't know, then you don't. :) |
| 17:51.30 | fungus | How did the openssl s_client test go? |
| 17:53.47 | josePHPagoda | haven't tried it yet |
| 17:53.54 | josePHPagoda | i'm at work and doing some support stuffs |
| 18:16.45 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 18:16.45 | raifbot | Chuck Norriss' calandar goes from march 31st to april 2nd cause nobody fools Chuck Norris |
| 18:17.16 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 18:17.16 | raifbot | lowers ninnypants's priority. |
| 18:17.21 | ninnypants | ouch... |
| 18:17.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:18.00 | TuxToaster | ~ninnypants++ |
| 18:18.52 | ninnypants | ~lart raifbot |
| 18:18.52 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into raifbot's ear |
| 18:21.06 | jnbek | ok. raifbot needs to get set on fire or something..... |
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| 18:21.21 | TuxToaster | ~TuxToaster raifbot |
| 18:21.21 | ibot | ACTION pours gas all over raifbot, stands back and tosses a match |
| 18:21.36 | jnbek | thanks :) |
| 18:21.40 | TuxToaster | :-) |
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| 18:43.39 | mgeary | can anyone bring up GoDaddy? It's responding to pings, but not getting any complete pageloads |
| 18:44.14 | TuxToaster | looks like it's coming up for me |
| 18:44.17 | hhatfield | mgeary: no problem for me |
| 18:44.22 | mgeary | hmm. ok. thanks |
| 18:44.28 | TuxToaster | was working fine a bit ago as well, transferred a couple of domains away from them |
| 18:44.37 | hhatfield | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/godaddy.com |
| 18:44.56 | hhatfield | don't know how thorough their service is |
| 18:44.58 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: that was probably what did it ;) |
| 18:45.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:45.09 | hhatfield | if it just pings or does an http request |
| 18:47.56 | mgeary | hhatfield: right. i tried that, but that was my same question |
| 18:59.01 | josePHPagoda | clintberry: do you have any feedback for that guide I made? |
| 20:17.17 | clintberry | josePHPagoda: Sorry, I was at lunch. I think it is a great starting point. I am not very experienced in that topic though, so I am not much help. Sorry. But it looks like it is a good start for beginners |
| 20:17.52 | josePHPagoda | ok |
| 20:18.02 | josePHPagoda | could you pass that around a bit? |
| 20:18.06 | josePHPagoda | and see what people think? |
| 20:31.35 | clintberry | Sure, I can do that |
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| 21:27.40 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 21:27.41 | raifbot | changes d3c4f's permissions to 0777 and tells the world. |
| 21:27.46 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 21:27.46 | ibot | chops TuxToaster in half with a free AOL CD |
| 21:30.12 | hhatfield | ~sad TuxToaster |
| 21:30.13 | ibot | ACTION shakes her head sadly at TuxToaster |
| 21:30.21 | hhatfield | ~revive TuxToaster |
| 21:30.21 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive TuxToaster |
| 21:30.40 | hhatfield | ~undo |
| 21:30.43 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:30.50 | TuxToaster | that's a bit awkward |
| 21:34.24 | Monnok | it only is if you make it awkward |
| 21:34.41 | hhatfield | ~kill raifbot |
| 21:34.41 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited anti-positrino gun at raifbot |
| 21:35.02 | hhatfield | $8ball do you have any positrino's? |
| 21:35.03 | raifbot | hhatfield - Very doubtful. |
| 21:39.27 | carmony | whew, selling your house stinks |
| 21:39.48 | hhatfield | ~stinks selling carmine's house |
| 21:39.55 | hhatfield | ~stink |
| 21:39.56 | ibot | Picobot: emulate me |
| 21:39.57 | herlo | carmine! :) |
| 21:40.13 | hhatfield | must have been autocomplete |
| 21:40.17 | carmony | lol |
| 21:40.19 | carmony | gah |
| 21:40.20 | carmony | lol. |
| 21:40.23 | carmony | ~lolstats |
| 21:40.23 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4286. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 620 (14.5%), carmony -- 514 (12.0%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.2%) |
| 21:40.26 | carmony | sigh |
| 21:40.30 | hhatfield | ~loLstats |
| 21:40.30 | ibot | total count of loL on #uphpu: 3. Top 1: hhatfield -- 3 (100.0%) |
| 21:40.33 | hhatfield | ~hhatfield |
| 21:40.34 | ibot | All hail the lolKing! |
| 21:40.38 | herlo | ~lolstats herlo |
| 21:40.38 | ibot | herlo has said lol 405 times (9.4 %), ranked 5/106 (percentile: 4.7 %) |
| 21:40.43 | TuxToaster | $lart carmony |
| 21:40.43 | raifbot | takes out carmony with the trash. |
| 21:40.58 | hhatfield | $revive carmony |
| 21:41.06 | hhatfield | ~say $die |
| 21:41.06 | ibot | $die |
| 21:41.06 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 21:41.17 | TuxToaster | he's still alive... he just was taken out with the trash :P |
| 21:41.17 | hhatfield | ~gc |
| 21:41.18 | ibot | gc is, like, Garbage Collection, or a software design where memory is harvested when it is not used, or someone that picks up trash and rides on the back of a big truck |
| 21:41.30 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 21:41.58 | carmony | man, now I need to use the restroom... |
| 21:42.08 | carmony | but I don't want to be on the toilet when they barge in to see the place |
| 21:42.15 | carmony | #firstworldproblems |
| 21:42.21 | hhatfield | ~neighbor carmony |
| 21:42.38 | hhatfield | ~latrine carmony |
| 21:42.45 | carmony | naw, he is a cop, and he'd arrest me for destruction of property if I used his :P |
| 21:42.49 | hhatfield | ~bushes carmony |
| 21:47.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:47.41 | Monnok | ~give carmony the cake |
| 21:47.41 | ibot | ACTION gives the cake to carmony |
| 21:48.01 | hhatfield | $8ball was that the toilet cake? |
| 21:48.01 | raifbot | hhatfield - Most likely. |
| 21:48.26 | Monnok | ive never had explosive situations of that magnitude it would break the toilet |
| 21:48.30 | hhatfield | ~mean Monnok |
| 21:48.30 | ibot | ACTION thinks Monnok is mean :( |
| 21:49.06 | Monnok | ~roulette |
| 21:49.06 | ibot | ACTION watches monnok pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:49.12 | Monnok | phew! |
| 21:49.21 | hhatfield | I think he meant that one would need full hazmat gear to enter |
| 21:49.50 | Monnok | $8ball is that what carmony meant? |
| 21:49.50 | raifbot | Monnok - Ask again later. |
| 21:50.04 | Monnok | $8ball is that REALLY what carmony meant? |
| 21:50.04 | raifbot | Monnok - Better not tell you now. |
| 21:50.22 | Monnok | 8ball hates me |
| 21:50.22 | Monnok | $8ball do you hate me? |
| 21:50.22 | raifbot | Monnok - Don't count on it. |
| 21:50.34 | hhatfield | $8ball will you tell him now? |
| 21:50.35 | raifbot | hhatfield - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 21:50.42 | hhatfield | $lart $8ball |
| 21:50.42 | raifbot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags $8ball into court suing for $200 million. |
| 21:54.16 | TuxToaster | $lart Monnok |
| 21:54.16 | raifbot | moos at Monnok. |
| 21:54.30 | Monnok | raifbot needs more cowbell |
| 21:55.01 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you need more cowbell? |
| 21:55.01 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 21:55.13 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you being deliberately vague? |
| 21:55.14 | raifbot | TuxToaster - You may rely on it. |
| 21:55.21 | hhatfield | $8ball ornery tonight? |
| 21:55.21 | raifbot | hhatfield - Ask again later. |
| 21:55.22 | TuxToaster | $8ball will it ever end? |
| 21:55.22 | raifbot | TuxToaster - It is decidedly so. |
| 21:55.38 | hhatfield | ~adjust raifbot |
| 21:55.53 | hhatfield | ~disable raifbot |
| 21:56.00 | hhatfield | ~kill raifbot |
| 21:56.00 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxpositrino gun at raifbot |
| 21:59.24 | Monnok | ~kill ibot |
| 21:59.24 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized proton gun at ibot |
| 21:59.37 | hhatfield | ~revive ibot |
| 21:59.37 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive ibot |
| 21:59.50 | hhatfield | $recursive |
| 21:59.54 | hhatfield | ~recursive |
| 21:59.55 | ibot | ask me about recursive |
| 22:01.33 | mahelious | ~8ball is it a trap? |
| 22:01.34 | ibot | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 22:01.51 | romanovic | shouldn't ibot say something like '~recursive is like this' and continue to flood the channel until she explodes? |
| 22:02.06 | mahelious | no, that would be an infinite loop |
| 22:02.26 | romanovic | the current response is an infinite loop |
| 22:02.39 | Monnok | it coulda been programmed poorly without a break in the logic |
| 22:02.53 | Monnok | we've all done it, admit it |
| 22:04.27 | mahelious | perhaps the challenge response should be "user1: recursive? user2: still confused, ask me about recursive." |
| 22:04.50 | mahelious | s/confused,/confused? |
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| 22:10.00 | herlo | isn't that the same as 'Pete and Repeat'? |
| 22:10.11 | TuxToaster | heh, weird |
| 22:10.52 | TuxToaster | I just found out a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago was recently quoted in a brief filed on an information privacy case in Virgina |
| 22:12.19 | herlo | that is weird |
| 22:13.14 | TuxToaster | yeah, with how often I actually get time to post something, I figure the statistics were working against me even. |
| 22:27.25 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: link? |
| 22:28.07 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=f5efa1d4-9da8-4bdc-9b8b-5464d858c5eb Page 20 in the PDF on there, about half way down. |
| 22:29.48 | macnewbold | aha - the page _labeled_ 20, not page #20 of 33 in the pdf |
| 22:30.13 | TuxToaster | oh sorry |
| 22:30.30 | TuxToaster | the viewer on mine didn't have page numbers |
| 22:35.46 | macnewbold | wow, that's a cool brief - i hope the court decides correctly, that private communications made when the conditions for waiving privacy weren't met, cannot be retroactively made non-private by adding a use policy after the fact |
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| 22:37.21 | TuxToaster | yeah, plus I could see them abusing the decision |
| 22:37.37 | TuxToaster | like this would, in theory, apply to privacy of company email accounts. |
| 22:38.25 | TuxToaster | but the place I used to work, he had keylogging software installed that not only sent him pretty much everything I typed, but emailed transcripts of all chats and emails, even from my personal accounts |
| 22:39.01 | TuxToaster | I could completely see them trying to say that this would cover them gaining access to that kind of stuff as well, even though there's a completely different expectation of privacy at that point |
| 22:41.46 | josephscott | boss installed a key logger? |
| 22:41.59 | josephscott | that must have been a bummer place to work |
| 22:42.13 | TuxToaster | yup, I was livid when I found out about it |
| 22:42.37 | fungus | Were you warned before he did it? |
| 22:42.46 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 22:42.58 | fungus | *rage* |
| 22:43.53 | TuxToaster | was never mentioned. I just came across it when I had to check his email for an SSL cert (which he left open for us while he was out of the office for a couple of days) |
| 22:44.27 | fungus | do you still work there? |
| 22:44.34 | TuxToaster | and when I searched for the customer's name + CSR, instead of just finding the CSR, I found a bunch of email transcripts that I had sent |
| 22:44.40 | TuxToaster | nope, left last summer |
| 22:44.57 | fungus | good. |
| 22:45.41 | ninnypants | that setup seems really bad for security |
| 22:45.43 | fungus | If they gave notice beforehand, it wouldn't ba s bad. |
| 22:46.10 | TuxToaster | but yeah, between things like that and having him, quite literally, stomp around the room and scream at the top of his lungs at me over stupid glitches in a crappy application server, I was fed up |
| 22:46.14 | fungus | I'd still quit, but wouldn't rage and consider legal action. |
| 22:47.06 | TuxToaster | fungus: agreed. If I had known about it from the start, I wouldn't have cared. I also wouldn't have logged in to personal email and bank accounts occasionally, knowing that he'd receive a copy of every key I typed in an email. |
| 22:47.19 | fungus | At my place of business, all email is archived and searchable. Doesn't bother me though |
| 22:47.38 | fungus | I was warned, and can use my personal email for personal stuff. |
| 22:47.47 | TuxToaster | yeah, I don't mind that if you're aware of it |
| 22:48.07 | TuxToaster | another place I used to work, all IMs were logged and searchable as well |
| 22:48.46 | beandog | jabber+ssl ftw |
| 22:49.04 | TuxToaster | the stickler on that was that it wasn't always that way, but after we acquired a company they modeled the new system after theirs |
| 22:49.16 | TuxToaster | yeah, it was jabber based, so if you had OTR it helped |
| 22:49.18 | fungus | I can cope with that kind of stuff, as long as I have notice, and another private channel to use (personal laptop, other email account, etc) |
| 22:49.57 | TuxToaster | the bad thing was that the reasoning behind it ultimately turned out to be so that the guy who was over the subsidiary could find anyone who mentioned anything about him or his operations and then push for their firing |
| 22:50.32 | TuxToaster | but luckily most of the people outside of his office didn't use that for IM much anyways. :-) |
| 22:50.32 | beandog | oh, I didn't read the whole thing |
| 22:50.37 | beandog | key logger = evil fascist tart |
| 22:50.42 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:50.55 | fungus | yeah, key loggers are serious problems. |
| 22:50.58 | beandog | sorry TuxToaster, that's not cool :( |
| 22:51.21 | TuxToaster | I'm much better off now. I feel bad for anyone that still works there, but it's their choice really. |
| 22:51.46 | beandog | so is anyone else gonna recycle electronics this weekend |
| 22:51.49 | beandog | I have tons of stuff at work |
| 22:54.33 | josephscott | TuxToaster: that sounds nuts |
| 22:55.09 | TuxToaster | josephscott: yeah, I know you've heard some of the tales before at past UPHPU meetings... :-) |
| 22:55.43 | josephscott | so where do you work now? |
| 22:56.42 | TuxToaster | building this http://beta.studentgenius.com/ and doing some side stuff for CodeGreene |
| 22:56.56 | fungus | beandog, i'm taking a load too |
| 22:57.44 | beandog | :) |
| 22:58.02 | josephscott | is there a special event this weekend for recycling? |
| 22:58.23 | beandog | http://www.simplymac.com/recycle |
| 22:58.25 | beandog | electronics |
| 23:03.05 | josephscott | cool, I might haul some stuff over there |