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| 02:54.10 | captbrogers | What is the consensus for dealing with MySQL objects? |
| 02:57.17 | carmony | I'm of the opinion to use gas and burn 'em |
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| 03:16.48 | captbrogers | Hm, yes. |
| 03:18.01 | captbrogers | I'm trying to create a basic class wrapper to mysql, and it seems that the object doesn't retain it's resource ID so later it makes it hard for me to query when it says it isn't associated with any established mysql connections |
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| 03:25.47 | josephscott | time to update puppet installs: http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/607d2108-a0e4-423a-bf78-846f2a8f01b0.html |
| 03:27.10 | jsmith | Eeeewwww. |
| 03:27.24 | jsmith | (Lucky for me, I've moved off of puppet for most things) |
| 03:28.07 | josephscott | jsmith: what did you end up moving to? |
| 03:35.59 | captbrogers | nothing, eh? |
| 03:36.01 | captbrogers | Dang... |
| 03:36.09 | captbrogers | I'm not even sure how to troubleshoot this issue |
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| 04:08.20 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 04:08.20 | raifbot | teaches supernovia that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 04:09.20 | supernovia | Suuuree it does |
| 04:09.50 | josephscott | $8ball is MS Access really a database? |
| 04:09.51 | raifbot | josephscott - It is decidedly so. |
| 04:10.09 | supernovia | heh |
| 04:10.22 | supernovia | alright, scripture time! |
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| 04:37.15 | nickdc | Does Zend_Rest_Controller interpret a POST with a provided resource ID as a putAction()? I guess that would make sense right? |
| 05:15.08 | TuxToaster | nickdc: can't say for Zend, but I know with Cake that the field names matter |
| 05:15.59 | TuxToaster | i.e. I can get Cake to see POST data as being related to a model by ensuring the naming follows data[Model][Property] |
| 05:16.13 | nickdc | yea it's just interesting. These darn things are keeping you so standardized I can't mess up if I wanted to lol |
| 05:16.25 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 05:16.55 | nickdc | you technically shouldn't provide an ID unless you were updating something so yea they got it right :/ |
| 05:17.27 | TuxToaster | yup |
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| 05:59.05 | mgeary | hey, anyone here use Ubuntu with X11? |
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| 13:02.34 | SunSparc | Any Pro users of screen in here? I am wondering if I can screen a process after the fact? |
| 13:05.49 | SunSparc | Hmm... this might be a possible solution http://rogrammin.posterous.com/nohup-already-running-foreground-process-afte |
| 13:28.40 | SunSparc | Yep, disown ftw |
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| 14:02.25 | influx | Yay. The ear plugs work better than expected. Now I can get some shut eye without having to yell at my roomates to keep it down. |
| 14:02.47 | carmony | lol, I'm glad I don't have roommates :P |
| 14:02.53 | influx | :) |
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| 15:07.49 | mindjuju | ~apb josePHPagoda |
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| 15:11.14 | josePHPagoda | hi mindjuju |
| 15:12.23 | mindjuju | josePHPagoda -->PM |
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| 15:16.31 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:16.32 | raifbot | takes out jnbek with the trash. |
| 15:17.00 | TuxToaster | mindjuju <-- PM -- > josePHPagoda :P |
| 15:17.12 | mindjuju | poor jnbek, can't get a break, first floods the channel the other day, now gets taken out as trash :( |
| 15:17.35 | TuxToaster | $save jnbek |
| 15:17.35 | raifbot | asks the President to please pardon jnbek |
| 15:18.20 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 15:18.20 | raifbot | smacks captbrogers up side the head with a clue-by-4. |
| 15:18.22 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 15:18.22 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to tierra, and goes postal |
| 15:20.15 | TuxToaster | $lart hhatfield |
| 15:20.15 | raifbot | beats hhatfield to within 2.54cm of his life. |
| 15:20.32 | hhatfield | awesome… I'll take a mile |
| 15:20.34 | influx | Do any of you have experienc wrangling social media buttons? Specifically Facebook and G+ |
| 15:20.55 | influx | experience* |
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| 15:21.33 | hhatfield | what do you mean by "wrangling"? |
| 15:21.56 | influx | i.e. Forcing into submission. |
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| 15:22.31 | influx | I'm trying to keep them from gobbling up space. |
| 15:22.39 | influx | More space than they visually need. |
| 15:24.12 | hhatfield | a lot of that has to do with the options you choose for the button |
| 15:24.26 | hhatfield | if you want counts, they obviously take more space |
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| 15:28.36 | influx | Obviously. |
| 15:29.03 | influx | I'm talking about removing blank spacing. |
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| 15:32.00 | fungus | http://textsfromhillaryclinton.tumblr.com/post/20796979516/source-joey-devilla-global-nerdy-original-image |
| 15:32.09 | jnbek | man, i swear, the bots got it in for me... |
| 15:33.29 | mindjuju | that's funny fungus |
| 15:34.29 | clintberry | influx: I don't know if this helps you, but I use http://www.addthis.com/ |
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| 15:38.33 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 15:38.34 | raifbot | hauls ChanServ up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles. |
| 15:38.52 | jnbek | :) |
| 15:39.07 | fungus | ooh, josephscott is playing w/ fire |
| 15:39.24 | josephscott | $8ball is raifbot mightier than ChanServ? |
| 15:39.25 | raifbot | josephscott - Don't count on it. |
| 15:39.49 | hhatfield | $8ball ChanServ liked it? |
| 15:39.49 | raifbot | hhatfield - Ask again later. |
| 15:40.29 | mindjuju | a CSR in the office is drinking something that smells exactly like burning plastic |
| 15:40.39 | mindjuju | it's triggering the "fire" alert in my head :( |
| 15:40.55 | jnbek | :( |
| 15:41.00 | influx | clintberry: It may. It does display a lot of the icons that I need in the way that I need them displayed. |
| 15:41.23 | clintberry | Cool. i hope it helps then. And you can adjust styling with css on those as well |
| 15:41.23 | influx | Not sure if the company has a ShareThis account or if they'll want one. |
| 15:41.29 | influx | Nice! |
| 15:41.45 | influx | Thank you. |
| 15:41.46 | clintberry | It's free, but I could understand not wanting to share that data with a third party |
| 15:41.51 | clintberry | You are welcome :-) |
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| 15:50.24 | mindjuju | so if i have a folder in the webroot like /var/www/html/example.com/naughty and another folder in like /var/www/html/example.com/some/series/of/folders/naughty it looks like i could do a DirectoryMatch to tell it to not allow access to naughty folders, no matter where they are, but does this requie a lot of overhead? |
| 15:51.28 | carmony | apache? |
| 15:51.32 | mindjuju | is it better to make a per case statement? |
| 15:51.37 | mindjuju | yup, aapache 2.2.3 |
| 15:52.21 | carmony | I'm guessing it wouldn't be that much more overhead |
| 15:53.35 | josephscott | you could setup a dev instance of Apache with that config, strace it, then make a request that triggers that, to see exactly what extra work it needs to do |
| 15:55.12 | josephscott | :-) |
| 15:55.33 | josephscott | I agree with carmony, probably not a big deal, perhaps as much as a single regular expression check |
| 15:55.36 | mindjuju | you know though, i'm learning c++, i'm thinking about looking at the source for apache just to see what it looks like |
| 15:56.04 | carmony | You should take a look at the PHP code :P |
| 15:56.23 | mindjuju | i've heard funny / scary stories about PHP source |
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| 15:58.28 | josephscott | apache is in C |
| 15:59.07 | mindjuju | i should still be able to read it though, right? i thought c++ was c but with OO baked in |
| 16:00.05 | josephscott | yeah, you should be able to read through it, not too hard to pick up on the common differences |
| 16:03.16 | fungus | mindjuju, if you are learning c/c++ it's always good to read other peoples code. always. |
| 16:03.55 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:03.55 | fungus | As far as your apache issue, strace would be sufficient to prove to you. But the overhead would likely be very minimal. |
| 16:04.01 | herlo | mindjuju: just keep in mind that c has structs where c++ has objects. Structs are essentially the same thing as objects, without methods (and a few other differnces) |
| 16:04.09 | josephscott | and sometimes code you wrote from 3 years ago may as well be other people's code ;-) |
| 16:04.20 | fungus | Think the difference between strpos() and preg_match() |
| 16:04.20 | herlo | lol |
| 16:05.17 | josephscott | and you've got other things like cout and friends |
| 16:05.39 | mindjuju | cout is bad? |
| 16:06.10 | josephscott | no, just different from c |
| 16:06.30 | fungus | cout is good in c++ |
| 16:06.35 | fungus | not in c |
| 16:06.42 | mindjuju | ah good |
| 16:06.52 | fungus | printf is good in c |
| 16:07.05 | mindjuju | i was going to say, half my homework is cout << soemthing << endl; |
| 16:07.11 | fungus | or at least that's what I learned in school years back |
| 16:07.43 | josePHPagoda | i was going to make a song |
| 16:07.45 | josePHPagoda | metal |
| 16:07.47 | josePHPagoda | and call it |
| 16:07.49 | josePHPagoda | CIN! |
| 16:07.51 | josePHPagoda | COUT! |
| 16:07.53 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 16:08.05 | josePHPagoda | anyways... |
| 16:08.11 | mindjuju | limh |
| 16:08.12 | fungus | sounds german. :) |
| 16:08.42 | mindjuju | i might be a top contender |
| 16:08.51 | josePHPagoda | that's because you have a good sense of humor |
| 16:08.55 | josePHPagoda | but only in your head |
| 16:08.57 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 16:08.59 | josephscott | an internal lol? |
| 16:09.35 | carmony | limh? |
| 16:09.52 | mindjuju | laughing in my head |
| 16:09.57 | carmony | yeah, I'm smrt |
| 16:10.35 | herlo | carmony: you and homer both |
| 16:10.37 | herlo | :P |
| 16:10.58 | mindjuju | so carmony, i hear you've made it into the food-delivery phase of the pregnancy |
| 16:11.01 | mindjuju | i remember those days |
| 16:11.06 | carmony | haha |
| 16:11.38 | carmony | yeah, its been bad enough that the nice workers at the local mexican food joint figured out Joanna was pregnant |
| 16:11.49 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 16:11.49 | carmony | from getting the same take-out |
| 16:11.57 | carmony | several times a week |
| 16:12.14 | mindjuju | tiffany was getting some kind of arby sandwich with a shake several times a week |
| 16:12.20 | mindjuju | that and runny eggs w/ jam |
| 16:12.38 | mindjuju | gross and weird |
| 16:12.45 | herlo | yeah, definitely strange |
| 16:13.03 | carmony | well all these pregnancy websites have Joanna freaking out |
| 16:13.06 | herlo | jennifer wanted stuff from costa vida and that was about it |
| 16:13.33 | carmony | like "Corn Dogs can be bad for your baby!" |
| 16:13.45 | herlo | meh |
| 16:14.15 | herlo | carmony: my ex wife ate corn dogs and mustard the entire pregnancy. |
| 16:14.27 | herlo | Now my son doesnt' even want them.... |
| 16:14.42 | macnewbold | nice |
| 16:14.49 | carmony | when in reality, its certain processed meats if not properly cooked can make you sick with listerna(sp?) that isn't good for the baby |
| 16:15.04 | herlo | I love corndogs, but Shaun won't touch them. Thinks the corn wrapper is nasty |
| 16:15.14 | supernovia | mmmm.. corn wrappers |
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| 16:15.19 | carmony | I'm not a corn dog fan |
| 16:15.20 | herlo | lol |
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| 16:15.43 | herlo | carmony: I'll make sure to bring some up to Joanna |
| 16:15.45 | herlo | :) |
| 16:16.04 | carmony | haha |
| 16:17.59 | mindjuju | k, normally carmony i don't give advice other than : don't force the things you read + hear on your wife, listen to her cues |
| 16:18.09 | hhatfield | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8v_DFF5Yk |
| 16:18.15 | supernovia | ^^ good advice |
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| 16:18.22 | mindjuju | but i'm going to beak that and say, there is this one book called what to expect when you're expecting, it's a book of worst case scenarios that freaked tiff out |
| 16:18.33 | supernovia | ^^ MORE GOOD ADVICE |
| 16:18.47 | mindjuju | ^5 |
| 16:18.50 | carmony | lol, it sounds like Joanna and Tiff are very, very similar |
| 16:19.22 | supernovia | Man they give that book to everyone! I thought I was gonna die. What to expect: Everything will go horribly wrong! |
| 16:19.29 | josephscott | expect to get less sleep, so start saving up extra sleep hours now ;-) |
| 16:19.51 | mindjuju | hopefully not too similar, tiff had hyperemesis |
| 16:20.20 | carmony | oh, fortunately Joanna doesn't have that |
| 16:20.24 | mindjuju | we were in the process of moving to utah any way, so i finally just sent her on ahead to be with her mother and i caught up withher about a month later |
| 16:20.28 | mindjuju | yeah, it was bad |
| 16:20.43 | mindjuju | she lost weight instead of gain |
| 16:20.44 | herlo | so they give you that book so when all of those things *dont* go wrong, you'll think, 'wow, my pregnancy wasn't half bad!' |
| 16:20.45 | josephscott | $google hyperemesis |
| 16:20.46 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=hyperemesis -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperemesis_gravidarum -- http://www.hyperemesis.org/ -- http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/hyperemesisgravidarum.html |
| 16:20.49 | supernovia | wow |
| 16:21.27 | mahelious | im sure those twilight movies were a huge help as well? |
| 16:21.32 | herlo | mindjuju: jennifer lost weight during her pregnancy, didn't seem to bother the docs much |
| 16:21.33 | carmony | Joanna prefers being pregnant vs when she was on the medication to get us pregnant |
| 16:21.42 | ninnypants | this book is far better than what to expect http://www.amazon.com/The-Expectant-Father-Dads---Be/dp/0789210797/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334161264&sr=8-1 |
| 16:21.59 | carmony | so I think its going pretty well |
| 16:22.00 | ninnypants | wife read it and said it was better than any of the books she got as well |
| 16:22.11 | herlo | haha, nice |
| 16:22.29 | mindjuju | herlo - true that, it's mainly major discomfort for the woman |
| 16:23.14 | josePHPagoda | my wife hated the "space heater" she was always carrying around |
| 16:23.17 | mindjuju | it was just that I wasn'table to properly help her as i was wrapping up work for offsite working, packing the house, etc, so i just senther home where her mom could help her |
| 16:23.57 | mindjuju | it worked out well |
| 16:24.09 | herlo | mindjuju: heh, I planned to bring in Jennifer's mother a month before the baby came so I didn't have to be the 100% support person |
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| 16:24.35 | herlo | turns out, since AJ was 6.5 weeks early, she got a next day flight to Utah and was here for two months *after* the baby was born |
| 16:25.48 | herlo | carmony: if there is one thing I can tell you to do, it's have someone else there to support her right before/after the baby arrives. You'll be able to be sane and actually do your job (as in work). |
| 16:26.23 | herlo | Otherwise, you might as well take all of your vacation and just go stir crazy because there is nothing you can do but wait to help :) |
| 16:26.35 | carmony | lol, yeah |
| 16:27.02 | carmony | well, while we're all here, I might as well mention that I'll be changing jobs. :) |
| 16:27.03 | herlo | at least that's how it was for me. I ended up going back to work within a week of Shaun's birth because I was just sitting around bored. |
| 16:27.12 | herlo | carmony: so you got the job? |
| 16:27.38 | carmony | they gave me an offer, crossing some t's and dotting some i's, but I'll be accept it by the end of the day |
| 16:27.47 | herlo | awesome! |
| 16:27.50 | herlo | congrats man! |
| 16:27.53 | herlo | when do you start? |
| 16:28.01 | carmony | I'll start May 14th |
| 16:28.05 | herlo | nice! |
| 16:28.07 | mindjuju | the better question is, when is the BMW delivered? |
| 16:28.12 | carmony | ROFL |
| 16:28.13 | herlo | taking some vacation first? |
| 16:28.15 | mgeary | carmony: where? |
| 16:28.25 | herlo | mindjuju: lol, nice one. |
| 16:28.33 | carmony | Deseret Digital Media as a Director of Web Development |
| 16:28.40 | mgeary | oho |
| 16:28.41 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 16:28.44 | herlo | speaking of BMW's, I think I'm going to be getting me an M5 for my birthday |
| 16:28.55 | mgeary | carmony: we're doing a project for them right now |
| 16:29.04 | mindjuju | o.0 |
| 16:29.06 | carmony | oh really? |
| 16:29.19 | supernovia | nice |
| 16:29.19 | mgeary | carmony: you need to get them off Zend and onto Django! |
| 16:29.27 | carmony | haha |
| 16:29.30 | mindjuju | wow, the m5 looks awesome |
| 16:29.31 | supernovia | hey carmony - where are you gonna work? |
| 16:29.45 | carmony | supernovia: Deseret Digital Media as Director of Web Development |
| 16:29.54 | supernovia | Neat! Congrats |
| 16:30.00 | mindjuju | brb |
| 16:30.01 | mgeary | zend is awful. what kind of framework doesn't automatically use an Active Record pattern?! |
| 16:30.07 | mgeary | that just baffles me |
| 16:30.18 | carmony | lol |
| 16:30.31 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, it is! |
| 16:30.52 | carmony | Zend isn't too bad, its more like a "Use what you want framework" |
| 16:30.52 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm going to go test drive one (again) soon |
| 16:31.18 | mgeary | carmony: except that it really, really should use Active Record |
| 16:31.20 | mahelious | mgeary: you can use Active Record with Zend, if you like |
| 16:31.37 | carmony | yeah, it just doesn't "force" people to use one |
| 16:31.38 | mahelious | but if you like something else, you can use something else too |
| 16:31.57 | mahelious | thats why I call Zend the "ifulike" framework |
| 16:32.08 | mgeary | mahelious: yeah, i saw a module from someone, but didn't get far enough in to it to get comfortable, since we're sub-contractors on the project, and i didn't want to force it on the other developers |
| 16:32.13 | mahelious | but usually jost shorten it to "FU" |
| 16:32.39 | mgeary | but everyone i've spoken to who has used Zend and Django agrees with me that there is no real comparison |
| 16:33.04 | mgeary | just ask thebigdog |
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| 16:36.57 | herlo | mindjuju: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-bmw-m5-road-test-review <-- got chills reading this |
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| 17:01.50 | mgeary | jeeze. no way i can/should be reading a car review on a $90k car |
| 17:02.51 | mindjuju | well, except that, i want a truck, a toyota tacoma truck with the 4x4 offroad package |
| 17:03.08 | clintberry | mgeary: For large applications I have had bad luck with active record. But that is only implementations in PHP... perhaps Python version scales better? |
| 17:03.13 | mindjuju | and a bumper sticker that says "God Bless Texas" |
| 17:03.22 | mindjuju | ^^ herlo |
| 17:03.23 | clintberry | when I say bad luck, I mean bad luck with scaling |
| 17:03.38 | herlo | mindjuju: I don't do bumper stickers on my cars |
| 17:03.50 | mindjuju | with a BMW like that, i wouldn't either |
| 17:03.53 | mgeary | clintberry: yeah, many php implementations try to instantiate all objects at once, but django is smarter about it |
| 17:03.55 | mindjuju | but this is a truck |
| 17:03.59 | herlo | mindjuju: but a tacoma is a pretty good truck! |
| 17:04.00 | mindjuju | different beast, all together |
| 17:04.14 | mindjuju | and maybe a brush bar up front |
| 17:04.16 | herlo | I know a guy who can put lifts on it for you :) |
| 17:04.29 | herlo | since you are from Texas, I know you want that :) |
| 17:04.34 | mindjuju | a little lift and mean tires |
| 17:04.51 | mindjuju | you know me too well herlo |
| 17:05.26 | mindjuju | after saving the enviromment in my 40 MPG honda, i think i've earned it |
| 17:05.31 | herlo | mindjuju: I was thinking 4" lift |
| 17:05.32 | herlo | :) |
| 17:05.46 | herlo | mindjuju: btw, the tacoma isn't a gas hog. |
| 17:06.06 | mindjuju | good to know! |
| 17:06.23 | mindjuju | i haven't looked into it, helps stave off the desire for one and acting impulsively |
| 17:06.43 | mindjuju | i want to have at least 50% of the car in cash before i go get it |
| 17:07.21 | josephscott | $8ball will this bug die today? |
| 17:07.21 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook not so good. |
| 17:08.03 | jsmith | josephscott: Good one, eh? |
| 17:08.13 | josephscott | starting to tick me off |
| 17:08.28 | josephscott | I hate burning a whole day trying to track down a bug and not have much to show for it |
| 17:08.55 | SunSparc | Amen to that. |
| 17:09.43 | josephscott | don't make me angry bug, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry |
| 17:10.10 | jsmith | josephscott: Sounds like my day too... |
| 17:12.23 | Monnok | $lart illusive bug |
| 17:12.23 | raifbot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses illusive bug's head to break the homerun record. |
| 17:14.37 | ninnypants | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57412225-281/this-internet-provider-pledges-to-put-your-privacy-first-always/ |
| 17:14.52 | jsmith | josephscott: Heisenbug, or just a nasty little critter? |
| 17:15.29 | josephscott | just nasty, haven't been able to get my dev environment to be able to reproduce it yet |
| 17:15.39 | josephscott | but I have another other data that I know the problem exists |
| 17:15.50 | josephscott | lots of moving parts :-( |
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| 17:36.44 | josephscott | your daily dose of awesome http://devour.com/video/dont-stop-believing-in-movies/ |
| 17:43.30 | carmony | haha |
| 17:51.21 | mahelious | ninnypants: cant seem to ferret out the name of his ISP, proposed or otherwise. sounds great, but how do I subscribe? |
| 17:52.21 | ninnypants | mahelious: no idea just thought it was interesting though you could probably find it here http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/s479x/this_internet_provider_pledges_to_put_your/ |
| 17:55.45 | mgeary | that worked for a while... |
| 17:57.57 | ninnypants | yeah may not work for long but at least they wont just pipe it to the gov |
| 17:58.27 | carmony | well, its official, I sent in my signed offer letter |
| 17:58.51 | jsmith | ~console carmony |
| 17:58.51 | ibot | ACTION gives carmony the consolation moose |
| 17:59.00 | carmony | LOL |
| 18:00.11 | jsmith | I mean, congratulations... I think. |
| 18:01.18 | ninnypants | jsmith: you should've jumped in on that and hired carmony you're looking for devs right ;) |
| 18:02.17 | carmony | lol, well it was a unique opportunity |
| 18:02.27 | carmony | I think it'll be a great fit for me |
| 18:03.12 | jsmith | ninnypants: You're assuming I didn't try :-p |
| 18:03.32 | ninnypants | jsmith: no just that you didn't try hard enough ;) |
| 18:04.01 | jsmith | Obviously! |
| 18:04.31 | ninnypants | how's the hunt going anyway? |
| 18:05.09 | jsmith | Not nearly enough nibbles |
| 18:05.23 | ninnypants | any hires at all? |
| 18:05.33 | jsmith | I'm off this week for spring break, but I'll be hitting it hard again next week |
| 18:05.40 | jsmith | Not so far -- we've only started looking |
| 18:06.49 | ninnypants | so you're hiring people to work on WP core and other OSS projects right? |
| 18:32.44 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 18:32.44 | ibot | tries to shut josePHPagoda up |
| 18:32.57 | mgeary | psh. good luck with THAT! |
| 18:33.55 | herlo | lol |
| 18:39.01 | mindjuju | ah dag, ya'll've made him mad |
| 18:40.13 | mindjuju | i wonder how many laws of grammer i broke with ya'll've (contraction form of ya'll have) |
| 18:43.17 | carmony | lol. |
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| 18:58.45 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 18:58.45 | raifbot | nabs the moon and broadsides eggyknap with the sea of tranquility. |
| 18:59.16 | eggyknap | ouch. |
| 19:04.36 | hhatfield | ~cheer mgeary |
| 19:04.36 | ibot | Three cheers for mgeary! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 19:04.37 | mgeary | of course it would be rainy this weekend in Moab |
| 19:04.44 | hhatfield | ~sad mgeary |
| 19:04.44 | ibot | ACTION shakes her head sadly at mgeary |
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| 19:36.26 | fungus | carmony, Desnews? aren't you worried about the newspaper industry's consistent decline? |
| 19:37.33 | fungus | but grats on the position anyway. |
| 19:39.02 | DexterTheDragon | and, like, commuting? |
| 19:42.06 | fungus | that too, but I expect the salary increase probably makes up for all those possible downsides. Woot for carmony |
| 19:43.54 | utahcon | I kind of agree with fungus on the decline of newpaper, but maybe this is their shot at making DesNews a leading source for online news... |
| 19:44.09 | fungus | good point. |
| 19:44.39 | DexterTheDragon | they have news on the internet now? crazy |
| 19:45.14 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: It's hard to find mixed in with all the porn |
| 19:47.15 | mahelious | as i understand it, carmony is working for des digital. desnews is just one of their properties he'll work with. |
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| 19:50.33 | mahelious | the weird thing, at least for me, was finding out how the powers have broken things out. for example, ksl.com is operated by ddm, but ksl radio and tv is managed by the Broadcast division. so the website has very weak ties, if at all, to the media division. |
| 19:57.30 | utahcon | that isn't why I don't work there, but a huge contributor |
| 19:58.41 | hhatfield | utahcon: when was that? |
| 19:59.16 | hhatfield | utahcon: I work at DDM and wear jeans on an almost daily basis |
| 20:00.18 | utahcon | hhatfield: uh... 2 years ago? maybe less... the guy on the phone said it was slacks and button down, no tie. |
| 20:00.43 | utahcon | meh -- I am content. |
| 20:00.53 | TuxToaster | eh, slacks and buttondown is how I dress every day, so that wouldn't bother me much. |
| 20:01.05 | TuxToaster | but I can see why some don't like it |
| 20:01.26 | fungus | I miss wearing shorts and sandals. |
| 20:02.09 | utahcon | fungus: I am with you! |
| 20:02.15 | utahcon | we need to petition Kent... |
| 20:02.34 | fungus | lol, agreed, though I don't think it'll fly. |
| 20:02.46 | utahcon | yeah I don't think so either |
| 20:02.54 | utahcon | maybe on Fridays... once a month... |
| 20:03.00 | utahcon | every leap ear |
| 20:03.03 | utahcon | year |
| 20:03.06 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:03.10 | utahcon | that starts on a tuesday |
| 20:03.55 | TuxToaster | and falls on an odd numbered year |
| 20:03.58 | TuxToaster | ... wait a minute |
| 20:04.29 | fungus | no, don't listen to TuxToaster, that'd be bad |
| 20:04.38 | utahcon | hey mine had a chance |
| 20:05.18 | fungus | How about any day that ends in Y |
| 20:05.34 | herlo | I like days that end in 'day' |
| 20:05.53 | TuxToaster | utahcon: it did, it did. |
| 20:06.03 | fungus | And months that start with m, j, and a |
| 20:06.06 | TuxToaster | but your next opportunity would be in 2036. |
| 20:06.36 | utahcon | fungus: 2036 would be the next leap year that starts on a tuesday :D |
| 20:06.51 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 20:07.12 | fungus | cool, my 29th anniversary year then. |
| 20:07.20 | fungus | I'll plan on it |
| 20:07.21 | TuxToaster | so, if you're planning on being there in 24 years, feel free to dress down :P |
| 20:07.22 | fungus | ;) |
| 20:08.21 | fungus | But by then, my knees will be all gross and saggy. |
| 20:09.02 | utahcon | your knees are your concern? |
| 20:09.12 | utahcon | we have different problems |
| 20:09.16 | fungus | lol |
| 20:12.06 | carmony | lol, reading the convo backwards is quite enlightening |
| 20:14.23 | herlo | hey, but at least by then, the windows xp clock will still have dates |
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| 20:14.58 | herlo | Should go through january of 2039, so at least your bosses will still be able to keep track of your 'years of service' on their ancient machines :) |
| 20:15.06 | herlo | s/2039/2038/ |
| 20:18.44 | hhatfield | ~lart 32bitters |
| 20:18.44 | ibot | gives 32bitters a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 20:20.07 | fungus | hhatfield, are you 100% 64-bit yet? |
| 20:20.29 | hhatfield | personally? yes |
| 20:20.55 | hhatfield | with anything that can be |
| 20:21.11 | fungus | heh, "can be" that's the gotcha |
| 20:21.25 | hhatfield | my machines are 64 bit |
| 20:21.35 | hhatfield | it's up to the devs to take advantage of that |
| 20:21.55 | hhatfield | but I get the 64 bit versions when I can |
| 20:22.03 | herlo | mindjuju: http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2012/04/why-not-use-port-knocking.html?spref=fb |
| 20:22.03 | hhatfield | even with WoW |
| 20:22.30 | herlo | mindjuju: that's in reference to our conversation at least 6 months ago as to why portknocking is not used these days |
| 20:23.14 | herlo | utahcon: nobody! |
| 20:23.23 | herlo | it's just too cool! |
| 20:23.32 | hhatfield | my microwave is |
| 20:23.38 | hhatfield | ~lie |
| 20:23.42 | hhatfield | ~lie hhatfield |
| 20:23.42 | ibot | hhatfield I deem you to be a liar, I am above reproach and my word is law. So it has been writen, so it shall be. |
| 20:23.44 | carmony | alright, time for the ultimate question.... |
| 20:23.56 | utahcon | boxers |
| 20:23.57 | carmony | Glass or Matte screen for a MBP? |
| 20:23.58 | utahcon | oh... |
| 20:24.03 | carmony | close utahcon! |
| 20:24.17 | hhatfield | ~close utahcon |
| 20:24.17 | ibot | ACTION stands too close to utahcon ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 20:24.28 | josePHPagoda | i usually have my meaty bacony potatos without glass carmony |
| 20:24.37 | josePHPagoda | but i don't know why you'd want it with a matte |
| 20:24.47 | carmony | lol |
| 20:24.58 | hhatfield | loL |
| 20:25.00 | herlo | utahcon: really? I thouhgt you were a garmy kind of guy! :) |
| 20:25.25 | carmony | I've always gone with Matte screens |
| 20:25.30 | carmony | worried I'll be picky ;) |
| 20:25.34 | fungus | carmony, depends on your usage patterns |
| 20:25.43 | carmony | I'll be honest, I'm rarely outside with it |
| 20:26.38 | herlo | carmony: get an IPS screen |
| 20:26.47 | herlo | lol |
| 20:26.52 | carmony | IPS? |
| 20:26.52 | hhatfield | ~search garmy |
| 20:26.54 | herlo | utahcon: shorthand for garments |
| 20:27.01 | utahcon | herlo ... really? |
| 20:27.04 | utahcon | dude... |
| 20:27.10 | herlo | carmony: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel |
| 20:27.10 | mgeary | carmony: matte |
| 20:27.13 | mgeary | definitely matte |
| 20:27.14 | herlo | utahcon: thus the mocking :) |
| 20:27.16 | mgeary | *definitely* |
| 20:27.27 | herlo | but yes, a matte display is the right way to go |
| 20:27.35 | herlo | don't get 'gorilla' glass! |
| 20:27.52 | utahcon | what the heck is wrong with gorilla glass? |
| 20:28.04 | utahcon | it's so stuff... and love bananas! |
| 20:28.05 | hhatfield | I forgot to specify, and I got the glossy. It's not too bad, but I prefer matte |
| 20:28.14 | hhatfield | Free Bananas! |
| 20:28.35 | herlo | carmony: I have an IPS screen on my x220 and I love it. Won't go back to those crappy TFT screens of yesteryear |
| 20:29.05 | hhatfield | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0a03ebddbb/ron-paul-a-bad-lip-reading-soundbite |
| 20:30.30 | carmony | I wish the 15 inch came in a 1920x1200 |
| 20:31.57 | mgeary | got me some new monitors |
| 20:32.15 | mgeary | embarrassingly big |
| 20:32.44 | carmony | haha, awesome |
| 20:34.45 | herlo | carmony: you don't need more pixels, you need more eyes! |
| 20:34.45 | hhatfield | mgeary: what do you do with that many pixels? no one will ever need more than 640 x 480! |
| 20:34.55 | herlo | hhatfield: DIAF! |
| 20:35.11 | herlo | that's a horrible reference :) |
| 20:35.12 | hhatfield | ~save hhatfield |
| 20:35.12 | ibot | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves hhatfield from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 20:35.17 | herlo | lol |
| 20:42.30 | josephscott | carmony: if you get a new one now, you know new models will be released 5 weeks later ;-) |
| 20:42.57 | carmony | josephscott: I wouldn't be carmony if that didn't happen |
| 20:42.57 | carmony | :P |
| 20:44.02 | fungus | carmony, pay attention to mac rumors before buying new machines. |
| 20:44.25 | fungus | current rumor is that the MBPs are going to be getting a new rev "very soon now" |
| 20:45.14 | fungus | http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/11/updated-macbook-pro-to-see-significant-performance-boost-with-ivy-bridge/ |
| 20:48.10 | carmony | well, I'm not paying for this laptop, it'll be my work laptop |
| 20:48.14 | fungus | utahcon, Linux on Mac hardware |
| 20:48.46 | utahcon | fungus: yeah but then I have bought into the mac empire, might as well use their BSD frankenstein |
| 20:48.56 | fungus | I've never been as impressed with PC laptop hardware compared to MBPs |
| 20:49.14 | utahcon | ... fungus their hardware is our hardware now |
| 20:49.43 | TuxToaster | Monnok: "I don't have a tab-spacing preference. But when I do, I use four spaces." |
| 20:49.49 | josePHPagoda | i like system76 |
| 20:50.31 | Monnok | i do have a preference |
| 20:50.38 | fungus | None of the, now passe, ultrabooks even come close to the MBAs |
| 20:50.51 | carmony | I think the MBPs are the best laptops on the market |
| 20:50.54 | carmony | hardware wise |
| 20:50.55 | TuxToaster | Monnok: lol I know. Just reminded me of something the Most Interesting Man would say |
| 20:51.03 | carmony | under the hood they are similar to others |
| 20:51.04 | Monnok | i conform just fine to dumb people tho |
| 20:51.09 | carmony | but the MBP is assembled so well |
| 20:51.17 | herlo | fungus: what's the point of linux on mac hardware. You pay twice the price for the same hardware on a Mac. Get a thinkpad and love Linux on it :) |
| 20:51.27 | Monnok | 2 space-tab annoy the F out of me |
| 20:51.51 | TuxToaster | carmony / fungus - there definitely should be a revision coming up on MBPs... though the question is if they'll keep the same form-factor as they have now and just bump specs, or if they'll redesign the thing |
| 20:52.04 | herlo | utahcon: I hate 2 space tabs as well |
| 20:52.06 | utahcon | shut up we are talking hardware ... tabs are for Pythong freaks! |
| 20:52.09 | Monnok | ~roulette utahcon |
| 20:52.10 | ibot | ACTION watches utahcon pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:52.11 | TuxToaster | some rumors that they will remove the optical drives |
| 20:52.15 | herlo | utahcon: pythong? :) |
| 20:52.16 | fungus | herlo, i don't believe that, an MBP is not twice the price of a comparable pc laptop |
| 20:52.24 | utahcon | it is the new Python |
| 20:52.29 | herlo | fungus: exaggeration, but it is about 30% more |
| 20:52.44 | TuxToaster | utahcon: this one is more of a discussion on tabs & tab widths vs using spaces and how many. |
| 20:52.45 | herlo | you pay that for the OSX tax, tbh |
| 20:52.59 | TuxToaster | Otherwise you end up with people changing spaces in their commits |
| 20:53.05 | fungus | 30% i can handle. |
| 20:53.09 | Monnok | i know SOMEone there uses actual spaces |
| 20:53.11 | herlo | TuxToaster: I use 4 space tabs and always expand them to spaces anyway |
| 20:53.20 | herlo | fungus: I can't not if I'm not going to be using the OS |
| 20:53.29 | fungus | The hardware differences are worth the 30% |
| 20:53.34 | herlo | they aren't |
| 20:53.36 | TuxToaster | yeah that seems to be the concensus so far, 4 spaces |
| 20:53.36 | utahcon | lies |
| 20:54.31 | herlo | fungus: chiclet keyboard is the only upsell I can see. Compare the same specs between MBP and an equivalent Lenovo Thinkpad. The prices is about 30% more for the MBP. |
| 20:54.41 | herlo | and I don't like the chiclet keyboard, tbh |
| 20:54.52 | fungus | not just specs, but quality of life differences too |
| 20:54.56 | herlo | like? |
| 20:54.59 | fungus | like the magnet connector for power |
| 20:55.10 | herlo | being cool among friends because you are a hipster with a Mac? |
| 20:55.18 | fungus | lol |
| 20:55.24 | josephscott | this from the guy looking at a $90k car? |
| 20:55.28 | herlo | fungus: true, the magnet connector is revolutionary |
| 20:55.42 | jsmith | herlo: And expensive to replace when it wears out |
| 20:55.42 | herlo | josephscott: yes, I don't plan to buy that, I'm leasing it |
| 20:55.54 | herlo | lol |
| 20:56.30 | herlo | fungus: I know that there is choice in the world, that's why it's great to have these debates. |
| 20:56.54 | fungus | I personally have tripped over power cables at least 4 times in the past few years. each one likely devastating if it wasn't a magnet. |
| 20:57.27 | utahcon | uh... |
| 20:57.42 | josePHPagoda | the magnet thing is nice. |
| 20:57.56 | utahcon | why are we still pluggin in laptops anyways... |
| 20:57.59 | utahcon | magnets or not |
| 20:58.00 | josePHPagoda | i just like having something more powerful than they sell |
| 20:58.02 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 20:58.09 | josePHPagoda | crank powered FTW! |
| 20:58.14 | fungus | utahcon, i agree, wireless power is the future. |
| 20:58.20 | fungus | someday soon I hope |
| 20:58.29 | utahcon | josePHPagoda: I don't crank, that sounds like work |
| 20:58.29 | josePHPagoda | you can cook the turkey and charge your laptop concurrently |
| 20:58.36 | josePHPagoda | just place turkey between laptop and wall |
| 20:59.41 | josephscott | better battery life and wireless charging |
| 20:59.50 | herlo | fungus: I guess I'm a fan of having long lasting batteries, but the magnet power thing is nice |
| 20:59.57 | josephscott | with the first being a bigger deal at this point than the second |
| 21:00.49 | josephscott | I'd gladly ditch an optical drive to make room for more battery |
| 21:00.57 | utahcon | agreed |
| 21:01.05 | utahcon | I don't need opticals |
| 21:01.10 | utahcon | that is what cloud storage is for |
| 21:01.23 | utahcon | and USB |
| 21:05.39 | herlo | josephscott: agreed, no optical drive |
| 21:05.56 | herlo | and battery is better |
| 21:06.04 | fungus | me too, hence my next laptop will be an MBA |
| 21:06.38 | herlo | but you still have to charge it at some point. I find that when I usually work away from my desk, it's several hours at a time. I love having a battery that lasts 6-8 hours now. |
| 21:06.51 | herlo | but when I'm at my desk, it's plugged in and my cord just stays there. |
| 21:06.57 | herlo | fungus: what's an MBA? |
| 21:07.04 | herlo | oh Air |
| 21:07.06 | fungus | MacBook Air |
| 21:07.21 | herlo | Those do seem nice, all sleek and thin. |
| 21:07.41 | utahcon | POWER! |
| 21:07.43 | jsmith | herlo: Have you seen the Thinkpad X1? |
| 21:07.44 | herlo | utahcon: you also need big! |
| 21:07.51 | herlo | jsmith: yes, almost bought that over the x220 |
| 21:08.06 | herlo | jsmith: but it has gorilla glass and glare |
| 21:08.15 | jsmith | herlo: Yeah, I saw that :-( |
| 21:08.17 | herlo | jsmith: I have and love my x220 |
| 21:08.29 | herlo | with one exception |
| 21:08.44 | jsmith | herlo: Which is? |
| 21:08.47 | herlo | what is up with Lenovo putting touchpads on thinkpads nowadays |
| 21:08.57 | herlo | the trackpoint is all you need |
| 21:09.51 | fungus | eww, those erasers suck |
| 21:09.58 | herlo | it's one of those things I hate about all laptops |
| 21:10.05 | herlo | fungus: clearly you haven't used it very long |
| 21:10.12 | fungus | Give me a huge smooth touchpad any day |
| 21:10.16 | utahcon | wireless mouse :D |
| 21:10.39 | romanovic | anyone know an easy way to format a date from a UTC/GMT timestamp? |
| 21:10.42 | herlo | fungus: seriously, you never have to have your hands leave the keyboard, so much more efficiency |
| 21:10.48 | fungus | herlo, a few hours probably. |
| 21:11.00 | herlo | fungus: need a few days methinks |
| 21:11.04 | fungus | I get that, but I can't get the accuracy |
| 21:11.05 | clintberry | herlo: That makes sense. I have been unplugging my mouse when I use Vim to try and train myself |
| 21:11.13 | utahcon | romanovic: date() ? |
| 21:11.15 | romanovic | i.e., using php's date() automatically adjusts to your default timezone |
| 21:11.33 | herlo | clintberry: I love that part |
| 21:11.47 | herlo | fungus: it really just takes a bit of time |
| 21:12.10 | romanovic | utahcon: I want to format with date(), but in GMT, and without changing the default timezone |
| 21:12.30 | utahcon | romanovic: the DateTime class? |
| 21:13.07 | fridgesm | gmdate() |
| 21:14.45 | herlo | The two main things are "touchpads don't belong" and "why are you limiting what hardware can be on my system with your 'whitelist' feature in the BIOS" |
| 21:15.51 | utahcon | what? whitelist for hardware? |
| 21:15.52 | fungus | bios whitelist. sounds interesting. |
| 21:16.05 | fungus | What does it control? everything, including USB devices? |
| 21:16.10 | herlo | it's lame |
| 21:16.25 | herlo | any addons iirc |
| 21:16.35 | romanovic | fridgesm: that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks |
| 21:16.44 | jsmith | I thought it was only for mPCI devices |
| 21:16.50 | fungus | sounds very appealing to the enterprise IT part of me. |
| 21:17.15 | fungus | But awful to the power user in me |
| 21:18.10 | herlo | jsmith: it could be, I'm not sure |
| 21:18.36 | herlo | fungus: right, which is probably why lenovo is doing it. I think they are trying to combine their personal and business lines |
| 21:20.10 | jsmith | herlo: Yuck! |
| 21:20.58 | herlo | jsmith: yes, I'm not happy about this, I love my thinkpads, but if Lenovo keeps going down that line, I will likely buy a MBP/MBA and add a track point :) |
| 21:21.10 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:21.27 | jsmith | herlo: Good luck w/ that |
| 21:21.37 | herlo | lol, yes, thanks |
| 21:24.07 | eggyknap | I'd avoid using a soldering *torch* on a laptop |
| 21:24.15 | herlo | lol |
| 21:24.28 | herlo | eggyknap: I wondered if anyone would catch that. |
| 21:24.29 | eggyknap | Perhaps for adding a bathroom, but not installing a trackpad. :) |
| 21:24.30 | utahcon | and that is why eggyknap will never have a track point on an MBA |
| 21:24.56 | herlo | ~utahcon++ |
| 21:25.22 | eggyknap | :) |
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| 22:17.26 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:17.27 | raifbot | pries bradym's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to bradym. |
| 22:18.26 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 22:18.27 | raifbot | does a little 'dpkg -P PoeticIntensity' action. |
| 22:24.37 | josePHPagoda | anyone here familiar with symfony? |
| 22:26.33 | clintberry | josePHPagoda: Symfony2? |
| 22:26.40 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 22:26.54 | clintberry | I have been using it for a few months, but not an expert yet |
| 22:27.01 | josePHPagoda | or, Symfony6 - Symfony4 |
| 22:27.03 | josePHPagoda | :P |
| 22:27.16 | clintberry | :-) |
| 22:27.20 | josePHPagoda | i'm writing a guide for using it on pagoda box, seeking some help |
| 22:27.35 | clintberry | Okay. Any specifics? I might be able to help a bit there |
| 22:27.48 | josePHPagoda | just best practices, all that jazz |
| 22:28.23 | PoeticIntensity | ninnypants, that wasn't very nice. |
| 22:28.37 | carmony | is fungus still around? |
| 22:29.02 | clintberry | I am trying to think of what would be helpful for pagoda. Do you have any other guides I can see as a reference? |
| 22:29.25 | josePHPagoda | http://help.pagodabox.com/customer/portal/articles/175475-understanding-the-boxfile |
| 22:29.27 | fungus | carmony, not sure, let me check |
| 22:29.29 | josePHPagoda | that's the generic Boxfile guide |
| 22:29.31 | carmony | lol |
| 22:30.10 | carmony | fungus: alright, if I wanted to buy a single physical server for an office for file sharing and running MSSQL, how would you go about that? |
| 22:30.16 | josePHPagoda | http://help.pagodabox.com/customer/portal/articles/175128-symfony2 we have that |
| 22:30.18 | clintberry | josePHPagoda: But do you have another guide for a different framework or anything? |
| 22:30.34 | josePHPagoda | but what we're wanting to do is show how a lot of work can be automated via PB |
| 22:30.50 | fungus | get a Dell |
| 22:30.59 | josePHPagoda | http://forums.laravel.com/viewtopic.php?pid=6246 |
| 22:31.02 | josePHPagoda | similar to that |
| 22:31.07 | josePHPagoda | but for symfony |
| 22:31.17 | fungus | I got lots of em and they work well for us |
| 22:32.12 | josePHPagoda | clintberry: does that make sense? |
| 22:32.29 | clintberry | every time I read about pagota I want to use it :-) Yes that makes perfect sense. So some things I could say off the top of my head are: |
| 22:33.21 | carmony | fungus: I'm looking at their site |
| 22:33.24 | carmony | and it confuses me |
| 22:33.25 | carmony | :P |
| 22:33.27 | mgeary | carmony: MSSQL…? |
| 22:33.29 | clintberry | In a symfony install, usually the vendors folder is ignored in your git repo |
| 22:33.31 | mgeary | </shudder> |
| 22:33.35 | carmony | mgeary: not by my choice |
| 22:33.39 | carmony | their tax software runs it |
| 22:33.40 | clintberry | so after deploying, you would want to update your vendors |
| 22:33.49 | josePHPagoda | can we PM a bit? |
| 22:33.52 | clintberry | yeah |
| 22:34.03 | josePHPagoda | dunno if everyone else in here wants to hear |
| 22:34.06 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 22:34.50 | carmony | fungus: like I don't understand which RAID controller to pick |
| 22:35.25 | fungus | ah, that's an interesting choice. I'm partial to the PERCs |
| 22:36.00 | josePHPagoda | use the build in nvidia raid |
| 22:37.29 | carmony | fungus: whats the difference between the two? |
| 22:38.11 | fungus | Their S series are fake raid, and require OS drivers |
| 22:38.33 | fungus | the PERC series is a real hardware controller, and usually have battery backups |
| 22:38.45 | fungus | with decent write caches |
| 22:39.02 | clintberry | carmony, hitting the ground running at your new job? |
| 22:39.16 | carmony | clintberry: this is actually for my father-in-laws business |
| 22:39.56 | clintberry | oh okay. I thought it was a little early for architecture decisions since you don't officially work there yet. I just figured you were getting a head start |
| 22:40.17 | fungus | carmony, so i would choose a PERC 6(something) |
| 22:40.34 | ninnypants | clintberry: he figured he'd get the job so he hacked in and got started |
| 22:40.44 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 22:40.54 | carmony | haha |
| 22:40.59 | fungus | integrated is fine |
| 22:41.13 | fungus | Unless you plan to attach external storage arrays to it |
| 22:41.18 | carmony | naw |
| 22:41.23 | carmony | all they need is a fileshare |
| 22:41.30 | carmony | and mssql running on box |
| 22:41.59 | fungus | Yeah, PERC 6 line is plenty for all that. but won't be pokey |
| 22:42.09 | carmony | pokey? |
| 22:42.13 | fungus | slow |
| 22:42.17 | carmony | ah |
| 22:42.18 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:42.22 | carmony | we no like pokey! |
| 22:43.01 | carmony | apparently the sysadmin for my team is pretty elite... I'm excited I might have my own fungus at work! |
| 22:43.25 | fungus | nice. |
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| 22:44.33 | carmony | if he ever left, I'd might be forced to tell my boss "I don't care how much you have to pay the fungus, even more than I make, just get him!" |
| 22:45.07 | fungus | I could do that. ;) |
| 22:53.16 | carmony | but I'm thinking for my father-in-laws business, either SBS 2011 Essentials & SQL Express |
| 22:53.34 | carmony | or two servers, one running Linux for filesharing and one for SQL Express |
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| 22:54.22 | carmony | how hard is it to replace a HDD that has failed in a PERC Raid 5 array? fungus^^ |
| 22:54.48 | fungus | quite easy |
| 22:54.56 | fungus | depends on which server though |
| 22:55.14 | carmony | looking at a PowerEdge server |
| 22:55.17 | carmony | a Tower version |
| 22:55.17 | fungus | Which one? |
| 22:56.29 | fungus | The latest generation of servers are way easy. The previous gen may require (and is recommended) to install the free Dell management tools |
| 22:56.42 | fungus | Both are easy though |
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| 22:57.20 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 22:57.21 | raifbot | blames TuxToaster for all the evil in the world. |
| 22:57.24 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 22:57.24 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets gshipley feel it |
| 22:58.30 | carmony | they'd be the newest (12th generation) |
| 22:58.35 | carmony | fungus: ^^ |
| 22:59.05 | fungus | yeah, 12th gen have really awesome agentless managment options |
| 22:59.14 | carmony | interesting |
| 22:59.38 | carmony | hhatfield: do you know desnews Sys Admin at all? Jared had great things to say about him. |
| 23:01.40 | hhatfield | carmony: yeah, he sits pretty close to me. sharp guy |
| 23:02.10 | carmony | very cool :) |
| 23:02.40 | hhatfield | carmony: this may give you hope: http://macbookpro.macrumors.com/ |
| 23:03.00 | carmony | see... I have a feeling they'll order my laptop before that :P |
| 23:04.10 | hhatfield | I'll show that to steve when I get back into the office (been sick today). maybe he'll hold off as long as he can |
| 23:04.42 | carmony | I have my own MBP, so I could get by without it |
| 23:04.47 | carmony | until the update |
| 23:04.48 | carmony | ;) |
| 23:04.57 | hhatfield | maybe let him know |
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| 23:32.47 | carmony | hhatfield: Stephen emailed me, said we'll hold off on ordering since we have some time :) |