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| 01:03.01 | influx | Oi. Has anyone here applied to Zara Media? |
| 01:03.29 | influx | Perhaps does anyone know someone who is applying at Zara? |
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| 04:15.52 | mgeary | hi folks. anyone around? |
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| 04:26.41 | ninnypants | hey mgeary |
| 04:26.49 | mgeary | heya |
| 04:26.56 | ninnypants | you need something? |
| 04:27.08 | mgeary | i'm beating my head against my network connection |
| 04:27.48 | mgeary | i do speed tests (speediest.xmission.com) and it tells me i'm getting ~10mb/sec down and ~6mb/sec up, but when i try to actually upload something, i'm getting really, REALLY crappy speeds |
| 04:28.25 | mgeary | i realize that it's dependent on to what server i'm uploading, but i'm actually even seeing crappy transfer speeds over my local wifi network |
| 04:28.44 | mgeary | trying to figure out what might be going on |
| 04:29.17 | ninnypants | ahh well I'm no good with networks.. |
| 04:29.28 | mgeary | yeah, me neither |
| 04:29.56 | ninnypants | though have you noticed veracity/broadweave being slower than usual? |
| 04:30.13 | mgeary | seems like it |
| 04:30.57 | ninnypants | yeah I've dropped from a constant 15/5+ to 10/3 or so |
| 04:31.33 | mgeary | i'm usually slower than that |
| 04:31.40 | mgeary | more like 5 |
| 04:31.53 | mgeary | but even my wifi makes no sense. I'm connecting over wireless G to another machine in my house, transferring a file via rsync |
| 04:32.04 | mgeary | and i'm currently getting 326.07kB/s |
| 04:32.30 | mgeary | i mean, i realize that the 54mbps of wifi-g is theoretical, but this is ridiculous |
| 04:32.49 | mgeary | and neither machine is really doing anything else right now |
| 04:33.33 | ninnypants | weird |
| 04:33.39 | ninnypants | no other traffic? |
| 04:34.41 | mgeary | nope, not to speak of |
| 04:34.49 | mgeary | it's *always* been like this |
| 04:35.21 | mgeary | i've never gotten 3+mbps on my internal network |
| 04:35.39 | mgeary | well, maybe when i'm plugged into the ethernet |
| 04:35.43 | herlo | do you have more than one network near you on the same channel? |
| 04:35.58 | herlo | because you could be getting radio interference |
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| 04:37.27 | mgeary | my house is pretty isolated |
| 04:37.50 | mgeary | nearest neighbor is 200+ feet away |
| 04:38.24 | herlo | mgeary: can you see any other networks ?? |
| 04:38.49 | mgeary | occasionally |
| 04:38.55 | mgeary | i am seeing one right now |
| 04:39.13 | herlo | hmm, that's all I could think of. Maybe change the channel your radio is on? |
| 04:39.38 | mgeary | sure |
| 04:39.47 | mgeary | do YOU guys get fast speeds over wifi locally? |
| 04:40.13 | herlo | um, more than 1Mb usually |
| 04:40.22 | herlo | er MB |
| 04:40.23 | mgeary | how much more? |
| 04:40.29 | herlo | 1.4-1.8 iirc |
| 04:40.44 | mgeary | jeeze. yeah, i'm down to 200kB/sec |
| 04:40.49 | herlo | I may get faster, haven't checked in a while |
| 04:40.58 | mgeary | okay, so 1.8, but that's still a huge distance from 54 |
| 04:41.01 | herlo | and I'm not home to check now |
| 04:41.19 | herlo | 54mbps is 54/8 MB/s |
| 04:41.41 | herlo | around 6.75MB/s |
| 04:41.59 | herlo | at max, but you always have some radio interference, and overhead for TCP, UDP and IP |
| 04:42.14 | herlo | so I would reasonably expect around 4-5MB/s |
| 04:42.53 | herlo | so I could be getting faster speeds. Actually haven't tested it since I moved |
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| 04:46.39 | mgeary | bah |
| 04:46.45 | mgeary | so much for changing channels |
| 04:47.01 | herlo | well, it didn't make it worse, did it? |
| 04:47.08 | mgeary | yeah, i couldn't join |
| 04:47.12 | mgeary | had to go plug in |
| 04:47.31 | mgeary | fyi, transferring from machine to machine over the local network is giving me 11.21MB/sec |
| 04:47.34 | herlo | that's because your radio on your lappy needs to reset |
| 04:47.57 | herlo | right, that's around 1GB connection? |
| 04:48.06 | mgeary | yeah |
| 04:48.18 | herlo | so about 850-900MB/s, not bad |
| 04:48.34 | mgeary | huh? you mean 80-90MB/sec |
| 04:48.42 | mgeary | bits versus bytes, no? |
| 04:48.46 | herlo | oh, right |
| 04:48.50 | mgeary | however, doesn't rsync report in bits? |
| 04:48.55 | herlo | I guess it could be negotiated at 100mb |
| 04:49.00 | mgeary | that could be |
| 04:49.03 | herlo | do you have ethtool installed? |
| 04:49.09 | herlo | you could run |
| 04:49.11 | mgeary | no |
| 04:49.18 | herlo | ethtool <networkdevice> to see :) |
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| 04:49.42 | mgeary_ | sorry. back on wifi now |
| 04:49.44 | mgeary_ | what could i run? |
| 04:49.52 | herlo | for what? |
| 04:49.58 | herlo | ethtool <networkdevice> to see :) |
| 04:49.59 | herlo | ?? |
| 04:50.13 | herlo | but you don't have it, you said |
| 04:50.24 | mgeary_ | not yet, i don't |
| 04:50.39 | mgeary_ | but i should be able to get that info w/out ethtool |
| 04:51.04 | herlo | probably, but I don't know the utilities on a mac |
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| 15:07.47 | mgeary | morning, folks |
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| 15:15.20 | captbrogers | mornin' mgeary |
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| 15:37.23 | carmony | morning |
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| 15:38.00 | herlo | with whom? |
| 15:38.12 | carmony | Deseret Digital Media |
| 15:38.47 | Monnok | nice... but doesnt that mean a commute? |
| 15:39.00 | carmony | yeah, though I'd likely move more south |
| 15:39.07 | carmony | or close to a trax stop |
| 15:39.17 | mahelious | carmony: good luck, i interviewed there back in september. |
| 15:39.55 | mahelious | nice place, seems like a good environment. |
| 15:40.39 | macnewbold | ~moving south++ |
| 15:41.09 | Monnok | carmony: or you could just hop on frontrunner like me |
| 15:41.14 | ninnypants | carmony: no more DDNA? |
| 15:41.45 | carmony | Monnok: yup |
| 15:41.54 | carmony | ninnypants: I'm exploring an opportunity |
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| 15:42.15 | Monnok | i get a lot of time to watch tv shows/movies on my commute |
| 15:43.04 | Monnok | providing i dont need to work otw, which sucks cause their wireless connection is bad |
| 15:43.12 | herlo | carmony: any ideas on where you wanna move? |
| 15:44.04 | Monnok | you saw utahcon's tweet too? |
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| 15:45.28 | herlo | Monnok: I live there |
| 15:45.30 | herlo | :P |
| 15:45.44 | herlo | I have been to utahcon's new place, very nice indeed :P |
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| 15:47.06 | Monnok | you do? didnt know that |
| 15:47.30 | macnewbold | i thought herlo was still in murray for some reason |
| 15:47.58 | beandog | herlo exists in all time and space |
| 15:48.07 | beandog | herlo is secretly The Doctor |
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| 15:50.04 | herlo | I moved in February |
| 15:50.15 | herlo | kind of quiet and I still own the place in Murray |
| 15:50.32 | herlo | if you know anyone who wants to buy my house for about 30% above the current market value, let me know :) |
| 15:50.50 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:51.16 | beandog | I want a house so I can be as loud as I want |
| 15:51.26 | beandog | Which can be pretty loud. |
| 15:51.28 | herlo | beandog: it's a townhome |
| 15:51.39 | herlo | but I don't think the neighbors will mind much :) |
| 15:51.45 | herlo | let's talk :) |
| 15:51.48 | beandog | That's what they all say. |
| 15:51.50 | beandog | then it's too late. |
| 15:52.00 | herlo | LOL |
| 15:52.09 | herlo | we literally never heard our neighbors for years |
| 15:52.18 | beandog | maybe they're dead |
| 15:52.24 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 15:52.28 | herlo | until they baby next to us turned 2 |
| 15:52.30 | beandog | Did you check for drips from t he ceiling? |
| 15:53.00 | herlo | then it was bouncing everywhere! up and down the stairs, screaming to sleep at night. I felt / feel bad for them |
| 15:53.16 | herlo | not that my kids aren't rowdy, they are. |
| 15:53.41 | TuxToaster | that's the beauty of having a house that's not connected to someone else's |
| 15:54.30 | TuxToaster | aside from screaming or a booming home theater, the neighbors won't know if you've got kids running around the house |
| 15:54.54 | macnewbold | i don't know, I have a house that isn't connected to someone else's, but i almost always still hear my kids when they're being rowdy... |
| 15:55.04 | beandog | TuxToaster: yah, thats me ... booming theater |
| 15:55.21 | beandog | macnewbold: :D |
| 15:55.27 | beandog | it is not neighbor-friendly |
| 15:55.28 | TuxToaster | yeah, when I finish our basement we'll have one too |
| 15:55.31 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 15:55.40 | macnewbold | that's what plates of cookies are for, right? |
| 15:55.46 | beandog | macnewbold: exactly!! |
| 15:55.48 | herlo | macnewbold: I assume that you aren't *in* your house when you hear them being rowdy? |
| 15:55.57 | macnewbold | "here are some cookies, i'm having some people over tonight..." |
| 15:56.00 | beandog | macnewbold: that should be compenstation enough for a lifetime of hearing loss |
| 15:56.03 | beandog | lol |
| 15:56.04 | TuxToaster | that's the slight downside to this house, I was hoping to have a basement with a room that either was completely underground or at least not along the outside of the house |
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| 15:56.08 | beandog | pre-emptive sugar strike |
| 15:56.18 | macnewbold | or slip a mickey into the cookies... |
| 15:56.28 | TuxToaster | but I ended up with a walk out basement in back |
| 15:56.33 | herlo | I don't think mickey would like that much |
| 15:56.42 | TuxToaster | and the only room big enough to be a theater is the one with the door |
| 15:57.33 | beandog | TuxToaster: how well would a basement shield sound from neighbors |
| 15:57.36 | beandog | that's my big question |
| 15:58.21 | TuxToaster | well, depends on the sounds I guess. It'd work a little bit... but big bass sounds are going to cause quite a bit of vibration either way |
| 15:58.56 | TuxToaster | just seems like the cement and ground would absorb that a bit better than plywood and insulation |
| 15:59.48 | beandog | TuxToaster: yah that's what Im thinking |
| 16:00.18 | beandog | My last apartment was a basement one |
| 16:00.22 | beandog | And it was pure concrete all around me |
| 16:00.32 | beandog | So I could play movies really loud at like 2 a.m. and nobody would hear me. |
| 16:00.54 | beandog | Well, I don't think they could. Upstairs neighbors usually didn't last more than 6 months. |
| 16:01.00 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:01.01 | mahelious | about once a month i have 10-15 guys in my basement for a party. it gets pretty rowdy, really loud. from a few informal tests the fiberglass and cement insulate nearly all of it |
| 16:01.28 | beandog | mahelious: yah I think cement is the critical part here |
| 16:01.55 | TuxToaster | yeah the room I want to use for a theater has half-high cement walls |
| 16:02.03 | TuxToaster | but two windows and a door |
| 16:02.21 | beandog | TuxToaster: can you hear much outside the windows |
| 16:02.31 | TuxToaster | haven't tested it yet |
| 16:02.33 | beandog | where's PoeticIntensity when you need him |
| 16:02.37 | beandog | I know he gets loud |
| 16:02.41 | TuxToaster | right now the room is empty since it's still unfinished |
| 16:03.03 | TuxToaster | it's too bad they don't usually excavate under the garage |
| 16:03.08 | TuxToaster | seems like a perfect place for a theater |
| 16:03.13 | beandog | yah |
| 16:03.17 | beandog | until a car falls on your head. |
| 16:03.19 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:04.13 | beandog | I would buy a house if I could guarantee that I wouldn't bug the neighbors. |
| 16:04.16 | beandog | I like my loudness. |
| 16:04.20 | TuxToaster | unfortunately though the closest room I have that would be fully closed in is a narrow storage room under the porch |
| 16:04.36 | TuxToaster | and it's hardly big enough for the TV, let alone a couch. lol |
| 16:04.41 | beandog | Isn't there like some cloth or big padding stuff you can t hrow up too that would absorb a lot of the sound? |
| 16:05.06 | TuxToaster | thought about redoing the framing so that I could make a room out of the other smaller ones, but I'm too lazy for that. |
| 16:05.25 | TuxToaster | yeah you can put up some eggshell padding |
| 16:05.36 | beandog | TuxToaster: that stuff is *awesome* |
| 16:05.41 | beandog | It doesn't look like it'd do much, but it works |
| 16:05.55 | TuxToaster | http://www.acousticalsurfaces.com/soundbreak/soundbreak.htm?d=14&gclid=CLTf36-Lnq8CFSzptgodRFsPbA |
| 16:06.03 | TuxToaster | there's also that stuff that supposedly works |
| 16:06.08 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Studiofoam-Designer-Charcoal-Gray/dp/B0002F78UI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333641954&sr=8-1 |
| 16:06.10 | beandog | wow, good reviews |
| 16:06.25 | beandog | man |
| 16:06.26 | beandog | I might do that. |
| 16:07.37 | beandog | " foam can turn even the most cavernous warehouse or gymnasium into a suitable acoustic environment." |
| 16:07.40 | mahelious | or just build one of these: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04/worlds-quietest-room-the-anechoic-chamber-minnesota-minneapolis_n_1403476.html |
| 16:07.43 | beandog | ~praise foam |
| 16:07.44 | ibot | All hail foam! |
| 16:08.32 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 16:08.45 | TuxToaster | I might do that for panels to cover the door and windows |
| 16:09.11 | TuxToaster | was already thinking of building a couple of panels that I could put into the window casing to close it off when we wanted it shut |
| 16:09.13 | beandog | -9 decibels? |
| 16:09.14 | beandog | whut |
| 16:11.09 | beandog | sound hears you! |
| 16:12.58 | TuxToaster | some of the patterns people are putting those up in just look plain silly |
| 16:13.39 | beandog | TuxToaster: where? |
| 16:13.46 | TuxToaster | http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0002F78UI/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_3?ie=UTF8&index=3 |
| 16:15.07 | beandog | lol I love the one under the posters |
| 16:15.16 | superalmostsleep | TuxToaster: looks just like the soundtesting room at blendtec |
| 16:15.44 | beandog | So do they absorb sound? |
| 16:15.46 | beandog | is that what they do? |
| 16:16.08 | supernoviaawake | they eat it alive |
| 16:16.25 | beandog | I wonder if that would solve my neighbor problems |
| 16:16.28 | TuxToaster | yeah it's just weird to see them in random tossed placements |
| 16:16.40 | supernovia | seriously, next time you're in the UC, go to take a field trip with poeticintensity |
| 16:16.40 | TuxToaster | I've usually seen them put up in gridgs |
| 16:16.50 | TuxToaster | grids, even |
| 16:16.56 | beandog | I don't undertsand the point of the random placement |
| 16:17.29 | TuxToaster | yeah, one of the pics on there I'm pretty sure he was going for putting them in spots where the sound would be coming from the speakers |
| 16:17.44 | TuxToaster | which makes sense... it's just the random wall placement on the other walls that has me |
| 16:17.46 | supernovia | at BT it was everwhere. :-/ |
| 16:18.03 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 16:18.03 | raifbot | pours gasoline all over macnewbold, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze. |
| 16:18.11 | TuxToaster | supernovia: well, if they wanted to make the blenders a bit bigger |
| 16:18.12 | macnewbold | :( |
| 16:18.18 | hhatfield | yum! breakfast! |
| 16:18.19 | TuxToaster | they could probably line the base with this stuff |
| 16:18.43 | supernovia | when my ex and i did our theater room, we built boxes to hold foam stuff then put fabric over the boxes |
| 16:18.45 | TuxToaster | *pushes the power button* |
| 16:18.47 | TuxToaster | "is this on? |
| 16:18.52 | TuxToaster | I don't hear anything |
| 16:18.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:18.55 | supernovia | the idea was to put movie posters over that, too, but it never happened |
| 16:19.38 | supernovia | seriously that room is scary :-p the sound is so muffled it feels like you're in a coffin or something. But they use it to sound test the blenders and make sure they're getting the volume down. |
| 16:19.39 | TuxToaster | yeah I'm thinking I'll probably build something to put foam over the windows at least |
| 16:19.46 | beandog | man |
| 16:19.48 | beandog | I want some foam now |
| 16:19.56 | beandog | Just so I can say foam. |
| 16:19.57 | TuxToaster | ~give beandog some foam |
| 16:19.57 | ibot | ACTION gives some foam to beandog |
| 16:19.58 | beandog | foam foam foam |
| 16:20.04 | supernovia | you know what else kinda works if you can cover it up beandog? |
| 16:20.23 | supernovia | egg cartons. |
| 16:20.50 | beandog | yah? |
| 16:20.59 | TuxToaster | supposedly those eggshell pads for beds work as well |
| 16:21.05 | supernovia | when my brother was a young hooligan (at least as my parents saw it) he'd line the walls of his apartment with egg cartons. Looked crappy, but kept the neighbors from complaining. |
| 16:21.08 | beandog | TuxToaster: yah they do |
| 16:21.15 | TuxToaster | since they're a bit thicker and similar in design to some of the accoustic panelling |
| 16:21.22 | supernovia | I kinda think poeticintensity has those |
| 16:21.28 | beandog | supernovia: did they use them to muffle their dying neighbor's screams? |
| 16:21.33 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:21.47 | supernovia | in his trailer park? Maybe :) |
| 16:22.15 | beandog | I wonder if anyone would look at me weird if I went to the store and bought 500 egg cartons. |
| 16:22.17 | supernovia | he drummed and played guitar a lot |
| 16:22.31 | TuxToaster | I need to finish building our library first though. My wife's books need somewhere to go so I can get the boxes out of the basement. :-) |
| 16:22.32 | beandog | Well, looked at me weird *more* than normal. |
| 16:22.47 | supernovia | Try wearing a sticker on your forehad, beandog |
| 16:22.53 | beandog | lol |
| 16:22.58 | herlo | forehad! |
| 16:23.01 | beandog | ha ha |
| 16:23.04 | herlo | I'm using that! |
| 16:23.08 | supernovia | s/forehad/forehead |
| 16:23.11 | herlo | lol |
| 16:23.15 | supernovia | derp. Oh well. |
| 16:23.28 | herlo | it's all good, supernovia. I like saying 'forehad' |
| 16:23.29 | beandog | supernovia needs sleep |
| 16:23.35 | supernovia | Oh, sleep. |
| 16:23.46 | herlo | actually, that'd be 'slep' |
| 16:23.51 | herlo | :D |
| 16:23.54 | TuxToaster | supernovia: ever painted contact paper? |
| 16:23.57 | supernovia | right. I got 3 hours of slep |
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| 16:24.37 | supernovia | I haven't, TuxToaster. I did paint a pretty rad star ceiling once though ): |
| 16:24.38 | supernovia | :) |
| 16:24.44 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 16:25.10 | beandog | it's full of stars! |
| 16:25.16 | TuxToaster | the shelves I'm building need the backs painted |
| 16:25.36 | supernovia | Huh. I wonder what sort of primer they'd need. |
| 16:25.42 | TuxToaster | most of them were fine because the backing was that thin board stuff, but the top row of them the backs are glossy. :/ |
| 16:25.53 | beandog | Now I'm obsessed with the idea of buying foam. |
| 16:26.04 | TuxToaster | so I got some "creative" contact paper that's plain white, hoping I can just paint directly on it |
| 16:26.16 | TuxToaster | beandog: lol |
| 16:26.36 | beandog | I seriously wonder how well that would work |
| 16:26.45 | beandog | I would *love* being able to be blast-a-licious in my apartment |
| 16:26.54 | beandog | Does that stuff work on bass, too? |
| 16:27.12 | supernovia | Um, I was gonna say, it's good to have different textures for different frequencies, iirc |
| 16:27.20 | TuxToaster | supernovia: don't think you were here when I was showing the updated pics the other day actually. http://cl.ly/0L3D2g3M2g233X2Q0F3Q the top row is what I'm working on |
| 16:27.33 | supernovia | I can't remember what all of them were, but egg carton shapes and …like, random fibery stuff was what we went for when we built our boxes |
| 16:27.34 | beandog | TuxToaster: holy cats |
| 16:27.45 | TuxToaster | beandog: meow? |
| 16:27.46 | supernovia | maybe you could fill the egg cartons with easter grass :-D |
| 16:27.51 | beandog | TuxToaster: what is that |
| 16:28.02 | TuxToaster | "built-in" bookshelves that I built |
| 16:28.06 | beandog | your carpet is dirty |
| 16:28.07 | TuxToaster | using IKEA shelves as a base |
| 16:28.32 | supernovia | ~lart beandog |
| 16:28.32 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto beandog whilst whistling innocently |
| 16:28.36 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:28.45 | beandog | how appropriate |
| 16:28.49 | TuxToaster | yeah need to vacuum when it's all done |
| 16:28.50 | supernovia | lol |
| 16:29.25 | beandog | I wonder if NASA invented this stuff |
| 16:29.29 | TuxToaster | but yeah, we painted the room and put up the shelves, and then I got a bunch of plywood, MDF and trim and went a bit crazy |
| 16:29.29 | beandog | TuxToaster: is that your basement? |
| 16:29.33 | supernovia | nasa invents all the cool stuffs |
| 16:29.42 | TuxToaster | nope, that's the "great room" that is going to be a library |
| 16:29.44 | supernovia | nice :) |
| 16:30.07 | TuxToaster | it'll have some crown moulding on the top when I finish fixing the shelves |
| 16:30.10 | supernovia | right |
| 16:30.11 | PoeticIntensity | Yo. |
| 16:30.18 | supernovia | O hai PoeticIntensity :) |
| 16:30.27 | beandog | Yay! |
| 16:30.28 | PoeticIntensity | hey supernovia! What's up? |
| 16:30.29 | TuxToaster | plus, cost about $500 instead of $10k+ |
| 16:30.31 | beandog | Now the insults can fly |
| 16:30.35 | supernovia | the sun! |
| 16:30.36 | beandog | ~praise PoeticIntensity |
| 16:30.36 | ibot | All hail PoeticIntensity! |
| 16:30.42 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:30.55 | PoeticIntensity | lemme read the back log |
| 16:30.57 | beandog | LOL |
| 16:31.02 | beandog | I *love* the picture on here ... http://www.soundprooffoam.com/soundproofing.html |
| 16:31.09 | beandog | THIS KID IS A DEMON CHILD WHO WON'T SHUT THE CRAP UP! |
| 16:31.12 | supernovia | so TuxToaster you gonna paint the backs of these white or black or? |
| 16:31.24 | beandog | Soundproof your house, and you'll never have to hear your children again! |
| 16:31.28 | TuxToaster | supernovia: well the wall and backs of the bottom are actually a dark green |
| 16:31.35 | TuxToaster | so the tops will be green as well |
| 16:31.40 | supernovia | lol, love stock photos, beandog |
| 16:31.54 | supernovia | Oh ok |
| 16:31.56 | beandog | She's probably reading Dante's Inferno |
| 16:32.08 | supernovia | bwhaha |
| 16:32.52 | supernovia | PoeticIntensity: it's just all about soundproofing so beandog can haz a loud |
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| 16:33.07 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: exactly. |
| 16:33.31 | TuxToaster | supernovia: http://cl.ly/2b1Y3e2p1e1u3G3P0C1w shows the color better |
| 16:33.45 | beandog | TuxToaster: thats kinda cool |
| 16:33.45 | supernovia | Oh, that's nice |
| 16:33.49 | TuxToaster | well, kind of. Still looks brighter on my phone |
| 16:34.32 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 16:34.33 | PoeticIntensity | <beandog> I want a house so I can be as loud as I want |
| 16:34.33 | PoeticIntensity | <beandog> Which can be pretty loud. |
| 16:34.40 | PoeticIntensity | ain't got nothin' on me, bro... |
| 16:34.50 | beandog | true |
| 16:34.53 | PoeticIntensity | drum room right next to the theater room... :) |
| 16:35.08 | supernovia | yeaah! |
| 16:35.09 | beandog | The solution is obvious. Move into PoeticIntensity's basement! |
| 16:35.10 | PoeticIntensity | So.... I don't have time to read it all... |
| 16:35.19 | PoeticIntensity | who's having sound issues...? beandog ? |
| 16:35.23 | herlo | lol |
| 16:35.23 | PoeticIntensity | mahelious ?\ |
| 16:35.28 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, ? |
| 16:35.29 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: I'm not having issues. My neighbors are. |
| 16:35.34 | PoeticIntensity | they don't like you? |
| 16:35.37 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:35.38 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: not me |
| 16:35.40 | supernovia | yar, crankypants neighbors |
| 16:35.47 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: oh they love me. Just not my taste in sound levels. |
| 16:35.49 | mahelious | nope, no sounce issues. |
| 16:35.52 | PoeticIntensity | I see... |
| 16:35.53 | beandog | big difference |
| 16:35.56 | TuxToaster | PoeticIntensity: they don't appreciate a good theater system |
| 16:36.00 | mahelious | or sound issues either... |
| 16:36.01 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: Just wanna make it less soundy to the neighbors |
| 16:36.05 | herlo | beandog: just don't do it after about 9pm, no legal issues ever |
| 16:36.08 | PoeticIntensity | well... first, there's a huge difference between sound-proofing and using auralex to treat the sound. |
| 16:36.09 | herlo | :P |
| 16:36.16 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: yah |
| 16:36.24 | beandog | I'm looking at soundproofing now |
| 16:36.28 | TuxToaster | I'll need to do the same thing in a couple of months though |
| 16:36.30 | beandog | I didn't realize there was a difference |
| 16:36.45 | PoeticIntensity | cement won't let anything through.... (a thick wall).... except direct hits (hitting the wall with a hammer) |
| 16:37.03 | beandog | challenge accepted. |
| 16:37.06 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 16:37.11 | PoeticIntensity | density and thickness are two primary factors... |
| 16:37.26 | PoeticIntensity | the thicker and denser the material, the less sound will get through. |
| 16:37.34 | PoeticIntensity | (cement is very, very dense) |
| 16:37.45 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... TuxToaster - the cement will laugh. |
| 16:38.11 | PoeticIntensity | ideally, you just put yourself in a cement box and you're good. |
| 16:38.17 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: that was my question ... does soundproofing cover bass as well? |
| 16:38.17 | PoeticIntensity | but... that's probably not possible. |
| 16:38.18 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:38.25 | TuxToaster | nor comfortable |
| 16:38.26 | PoeticIntensity | oh yes... |
| 16:38.30 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: that is, will my neighbors be able to hear the bass, or the rattle or whatever it is. |
| 16:38.34 | PoeticIntensity | it's gotta be thick, and gotta be dense... |
| 16:38.38 | supernovia | TuxToaster: http://www.craftingahome.com/2011/02/how-to-paint-an-ikea-billy-bookcase/ - porch paint? who knew? |
| 16:38.39 | PoeticIntensity | "egg cartons" were mentioned... |
| 16:38.43 | beandog | sweet. I'm both thick *and* dense! |
| 16:38.45 | PoeticIntensity | those won't do jack-squat for bass. |
| 16:39.01 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: okay |
| 16:39.14 | PoeticIntensity | in fact, those refract more than they absorb... |
| 16:39.21 | PoeticIntensity | they're great for treating high-frequencies... |
| 16:39.34 | PoeticIntensity | but do virtually nothing as far as "sound proofing" |
| 16:39.41 | TuxToaster | supernovia: nice. I know if I took the time to sand the finish off I could paint them easier |
| 16:39.52 | TuxToaster | but figuring contact paper might be a bit quicker. :-) |
| 16:40.01 | beandog | supernovia: I better cancel that order to the chicken farm |
| 16:40.17 | PoeticIntensity | What I'd do, is go buy a load of rock-wool insulation (I'll have a link in a sec), and put it up on all your walls and ceilings. |
| 16:40.19 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:40.33 | supernovia | TuxToaster: you know… there has to be a primer that'd do it |
| 16:40.47 | PoeticIntensity | it's non-fiberglass, so it doesn't itch... |
| 16:41.13 | PoeticIntensity | and you can wrap it with almost any type of fiber (some people put em' in wooden frames and hang em' up... they look nicer that way) |
| 16:41.28 | PoeticIntensity | heh... fiber? Did I say fiber? I meant fabric... |
| 16:41.38 | beandog | I need something that I don't have to drill holes into my walls or anything |
| 16:41.47 | supernovia | cancel that raisin bran order too, beandog |
| 16:43.30 | supernovia | so what if you think about .. sound dampening for the moment, beandog? LIke if you got some heavy curtains or something, and stuck that rock wool stuff behind your media shelves, and … I don't know what you'd do with the upper walls... |
| 16:44.43 | TuxToaster | supernovia: yeah, I think if I took the time to sand them that the primer I've got would work |
| 16:44.52 | PoeticIntensity | Roxul Safe 'n' Sound is the exact name of the insulation I use. |
| 16:44.55 | PoeticIntensity | (in my studio) |
| 16:44.56 | TuxToaster | it's just with the glossy coating most anything won't stick very well |
| 16:45.24 | PoeticIntensity | if you line your walls and ceiling with that stuff, it will seriously deaden the sound going through your walls.... down to 125HZ. |
| 16:45.27 | PoeticIntensity | more or less. |
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| 16:45.48 | TuxToaster | see in my basement, I've got half cement, so I'm thinking I'd make the top half of the walls thicker and put extra insulation or foam in them: http://cl.ly/1Q1e3M2O3F140E1S2w0O |
| 16:46.00 | TuxToaster | then make panels to go over the door and windows |
| 16:46.11 | supernovia | TuxToaster: can you still get the backs of the extenders off? they'd be easier to hit with a belt sander |
| 16:46.28 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 16:46.55 | supernovia | there are strippers too but . I don't think they'd work on the laminate surface |
| 16:47.17 | supernovia | in fact I'd imagine that would be horrible. |
| 16:47.22 | TuxToaster | yeah |
| 16:47.31 | TuxToaster | that's why I figured the contact paper might be easiest |
| 16:47.49 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:47.52 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.roxul.com/residential/create+a+quiet+home+with+safe%E2%80%99n%E2%80%99sound |
| 16:47.54 | TuxToaster | $lart macnewbold |
| 16:47.54 | raifbot | slaps macnewbold upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
| 16:48.16 | supernovia | :) |
| 16:48.21 | TuxToaster | PoeticIntensity: so... Roxul is the name of the sleeping baby? :P |
| 16:48.46 | PoeticIntensity | Yes... |
| 16:48.55 | PoeticIntensity | Yes it is. |
| 16:49.13 | PoeticIntensity | it's made to go *in* the walls, but it works just the same *on* the walls. |
| 16:49.19 | supernovia | TuxToaster: looks like there is primer especially for laminate. hth! |
| 16:49.34 | TuxToaster | ooh |
| 16:49.41 | PoeticIntensity | if ya wanna get all crazy 'n' crap, you'll want to create a decoupled wall. |
| 16:49.45 | TuxToaster | that could be interesting too |
| 16:50.17 | PoeticIntensity | which basically is creating two walls out of one.... One which vibrates, and one which does not. |
| 16:50.48 | PoeticIntensity | Pro studio use that method, and it stop the sound completely. |
| 16:50.56 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 16:51.07 | macnewbold | to truly sound-decouple them, don't you need something non-sound-conducting in between? like a vacuum? |
| 16:51.12 | PoeticIntensity | heh... you can see the drummer, but ya can't hear it..... in the next room, 10 feet away. |
| 16:51.27 | PoeticIntensity | depends on your definition of "truly". |
| 16:51.36 | PoeticIntensity | if you're talking 100%, then yes. |
| 16:51.53 | PoeticIntensity | but going from 95% (ish) to 100% is virtually impossible. |
| 16:52.25 | PoeticIntensity | at 95% sound proofing, normal room noise will filter out any leaks. |
| 16:53.35 | PoeticIntensity | heh... yeah... creating a vacuum between the walls would do it nicely.... |
| 16:55.49 | beandog | hmm |
| 16:55.53 | PoeticIntensity | I'm devising evil genius plans for my next studio...... |
| 16:56.01 | beandog | are you gonna move? |
| 16:56.13 | PoeticIntensity | having complete (or close thereto) sound proofing between the live rooms and the control room. |
| 16:56.19 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... we're lookin'.... |
| 16:56.33 | supernovia | cheers, PoeticIntensity! |
| 16:56.55 | beandog | that's really cool man |
| 16:56.55 | PoeticIntensity | I really want to build a house with a floating garage, and build the studio underneath the garage. |
| 16:56.57 | beandog | :) |
| 16:57.02 | beandog | what's a floating garage? |
| 16:57.15 | PoeticIntensity | nothing says "sound proofing" than 10 feet of concrete above your head. |
| 16:57.18 | TuxToaster | PoeticIntensity: lol I was just talking about building under a garage earlier |
| 16:57.20 | beandog | yah |
| 16:57.29 | TuxToaster | though beandog was willing a car to drop on my head... :( |
| 16:57.40 | PoeticIntensity | sounds like beandog.... hrmph... |
| 16:57.41 | supernovia | meandog! |
| 16:57.43 | PoeticIntensity | meanie. |
| 16:57.46 | beandog | :B |
| 16:57.51 | supernovia | lol |
| 16:58.11 | supernovia | the emoticon here is a nerdy looking smiley |
| 16:58.18 | TuxToaster | seems like the perfect place to build a theater |
| 16:58.22 | PoeticIntensity | yup! |
| 16:59.49 | PoeticIntensity | anyway... That's what I've gotta say about sound proofing. |
| 17:00.09 | mindjuju | dances with wolves is good sleep music |
| 17:00.34 | TuxToaster | beandog: so, basically, your best bet is to move into a concrete box |
| 17:00.38 | TuxToaster | ;-) |
| 17:00.38 | beandog | yahp |
| 17:00.41 | mindjuju | or the movie Great Escape, i LOVE the movie but if i'm mega tired, i can never seem to get passed the start of the digging of the tunnels |
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| 17:33.33 | hhatfield | ~roulette |
| 17:33.33 | ibot | ACTION watches hhatfield pull the trigger: Click! |
| 17:34.22 | hhatfield | ~beandog |
| 17:34.22 | ibot | well, beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway, or a non-girl, or has a large intestine filled with mealworms, or a belieber, or a meandog |
| 17:37.50 | josePHPagoda | ~josephpagoda |
| 17:38.02 | josePHPagoda | apparently, i am unknown to ibot |
| 17:48.43 | macnewbold | ~josePHPagoda |
| 17:48.43 | ibot | well, josephpagoda is apparently unknown to ibot |
| 17:49.33 | beandog | nooes |
| 17:49.52 | beandog | ibot: josePHPagoda is also the great unknown |
| 17:49.52 | ibot | beandog: okay |
| 17:50.01 | beandog | ~josephpagoda |
| 17:50.01 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, josephpagoda is apparently unknown to ibot, or the great unknown |
| 17:54.14 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 17:56.57 | macnewbold | ibot: josePHPagoda is also probably unknowable |
| 17:56.57 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 18:09.55 | josePHPagoda | ~josePHPagoda |
| 18:09.55 | ibot | well, josephpagoda is apparently unknown to ibot, or the great unknown, or probably unknowable |
| 18:11.40 | hhatfield | ~ibot |
| 18:11.40 | ibot | rumour has it, ibot is not a help system |
| 18:18.01 | hhatfield | ~quote AAPL |
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| 20:01.35 | josephscott | project glass with ads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mRF0rBXIeg |
| 20:03.14 | influx | There's a company a friend of mine recently left. He had worked there for several years, and apparently the owner had been very shady in reporting my friend's pay to the IRS; that is, the owner reported less than my friend actually received. |
| 20:03.55 | TuxToaster | oof |
| 20:03.58 | influx | My friend and the IRS had settled on a previous instance of the problem; this most recent instance was the last straw for him. |
| 20:04.16 | TuxToaster | did they have him working as a 1099 at any point? |
| 20:04.27 | influx | Negative. Full time. |
| 20:05.09 | influx | I guess both the owner and his wife were trying to persuade my friend to also lie. |
| 20:05.20 | TuxToaster | odd that the employer would go out of their way to misreport the wages. Mostly probably trying to save a few pennies on the taxes that they had to pay out, but really shady |
| 20:05.48 | influx | Yeah. IIRC the owner was reporting just over half of actual. |
| 20:06.28 | influx | Possibly 2/3. But, anyway, before I found out about the job move, I saw a listing on the UPHPU mailing list. |
| 20:06.55 | influx | Just wanted to throw this out here for anyone who has thought or is currently applying at Zara Media. |
| 20:07.01 | influx | thought of* |
| 20:09.00 | clintberry | Not that it is okay, but wouldn't reporting lower pay to the employee also benefit the employee? |
| 20:09.41 | Monnok | until you get audited |
| 20:09.55 | clintberry | Then the company gets in trouble, right? |
| 20:11.10 | TuxToaster | clintberry: yes, the company would be at fault |
| 20:11.22 | TuxToaster | but the IRS would likely still expect the employee to make up the taxes |
| 20:11.23 | clintberry | Either way, I am not defending the practice :-) |
| 20:11.32 | unum | employers have to pay a 7.5% tax on everything they pay to employees |
| 20:11.33 | TuxToaster | because they were actually paid more than reported |
| 20:12.00 | clintberry | That makes sense. The employee would end up paying more in the event of an audit, which would suck |
| 20:12.49 | clintberry | unum, which is why if you are 1099 it can suck, since you have to pay the 7.5% yourself. |
| 20:13.00 | unum | so if you have a programmer making 85K the employer would have to pay 6375 |
| 20:13.09 | unum | clintberry: ya, I've done that |
| 20:13.31 | unum | but that's also part of why you should be charging double what you would expect from a full time job |
| 20:13.34 | unum | also health care |
| 20:13.43 | unum | which I think should be decoupled from employers anyways |
| 20:13.44 | clintberry | that is a good way to think of it |
| 20:13.53 | clintberry | I need to up my rates :-) |
| 20:14.50 | unum | I think employers should expect to pay atleast double on the hourly rate to contractors than they do to full time employees |
| 20:16.13 | unum | I ask for double my hourly wage if anyone wants me to do any contract work |
| 20:17.00 | TuxToaster | clintberry: for you, probably !k/hr |
| 20:17.08 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 20:17.16 | TuxToaster | and that's just for easy stuff. |
| 20:19.54 | clintberry | ping wps |
| 20:21.38 | Monnok | i get paid on forecasts and promises |
| 20:22.23 | Monnok | good thing i like kool-aid |
| 20:31.23 | josephscott | mindjuju: is there a way for people to register for UTOSC? |
| 20:31.42 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 20:31.42 | ibot | drops a baby grand on josePHPagoda |
| 20:32.28 | jsmith | josephscott: As of last night, they were still getting all the registration stuff set up |
| 20:32.45 | josephscott | ok |
| 20:33.10 | josephscott | $8ball did josePHPagoda survive? |
| 20:33.10 | raifbot | josephscott - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 20:33.17 | josephscott | $8ball did josePHPagoda survive? |
| 20:33.17 | raifbot | josephscott - Most likely. |
| 20:34.38 | hhatfield | $8ball Since he didn't concentrate, as instructed, can he trust your answer as accurate? |
| 20:34.38 | raifbot | hhatfield - Outlook good. |
| 20:35.10 | josephscott | ~concentrate hhatfield |
| 20:39.30 | wps | clintberry: what's up? |
| 20:44.18 | fridgesm | does anybody know about how many people attended the last UTOSC? |
| 20:45.25 | herlo | fridgesm: just under 400 |
| 20:45.36 | herlo | or just over, can never remember |
| 20:45.43 | herlo | our high was in 2009 with 442 |
| 20:45.45 | herlo | if that helps |
| 20:45.53 | fridgesm | okay, thanks |
| 20:52.56 | clintberry | wps: Are you still looking for a senior front-end dev? |
| 20:53.06 | macnewbold | clintberry: yes |
| 20:53.08 | macnewbold | he is |
| 20:53.39 | clintberry | I have a friend working for a firm in NY, but he owns a house here and is thinking about coming back. He is an awesome front-end dev. I will send him your way |
| 20:54.11 | macnewbold | awesome, thanks clintberry! |
| 20:54.31 | clintberry | I forgot I could have asked you about it too, mac |
| 20:54.35 | clintberry | :-) |
| 20:55.32 | clintberry | He can show you his work, but here is one I know he designed and programmed: http://eaglestrategies.com |
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| 20:57.39 | wps | have him contact me at 'whearer' . '@' . 'vivint.com' |
| 20:58.30 | clintberry | whearer or wshearer |
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| 21:09.04 | clintberry | any vim users out there? My keyboard has the escape key too far away and it is getting annoying. Any suggestions for a better key mapping? |
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| 21:15.53 | fungus | A common key remapping that is a lot more efficient than default, is to map Caps Lock to Control. |
| 21:16.04 | fungus | But that doesn't help that particular problem |
| 21:16.14 | fungus | It helps "emacs pinky" |
| 21:16.21 | fungus | and other ailments though |
| 21:16.33 | herlo | fungus: it's the emacs 'hand cramp' |
| 21:16.41 | herlo | that needs help |
| 21:16.50 | herlo | hitting that ctrl in the corner all thetime |
| 21:17.11 | fungus | Yup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs#Emacs_pinky |
| 21:17.20 | herlo | :) |
| 21:17.43 | herlo | fungus: you use the pinky for that key? |
| 21:17.53 | fungus | for control, yes |
| 21:17.55 | herlo | I tend to find myself using the thumb |
| 21:17.59 | clintberry | that is a great suggestion. thank you. I never hit the caps lock anyway. might as well bring ctrl as close as possible |
| 21:18.07 | herlo | or my ring finger |
| 21:18.15 | fungus | that's odd |
| 21:18.19 | herlo | depending on what I'm doing, but I'm not an emacs user |
| 21:18.29 | fungus | I'm not anymore |
| 21:18.40 | herlo | usually, I use ctrl+alt together a lot |
| 21:18.48 | herlo | so it's the ring finger on ctrl and the pointer on alt |
| 21:19.06 | fungus | yeah, I do that too for that combination |
| 21:19.26 | fungus | but more common stuff, Ctrl-{C,X,Z,V} I use the pinky |
| 21:19.29 | herlo | I guess I do use pinky on the control for cut and paste operations, but I don't usually do it that way |
| 21:19.43 | clintberry | I have been looking around the internet, and I see some people map hitting the 'j' key twice to the escape key. I am going to try that out. Keep my fingers on home row. |
| 21:20.00 | herlo | it's usually middle click after highlighting because gnome is awesome like that |
| 21:20.09 | clintberry | herlo: where is ctrl on your keyboard? I don't think I could get to it with another finger besides pinky |
| 21:20.11 | fungus | clintberry, you could map Caps Lock to escape? |
| 21:20.13 | herlo | well, technically it's the WM but hey... |
| 21:20.29 | herlo | clintberry: it's a thinkpad x220, pretty close to the same place as most |
| 21:20.41 | fungus | herlo, that's not a Gnome thing, It's an X11 thing |
| 21:20.53 | fungus | and it's wonderful |
| 21:20.55 | herlo | fungus: yes, window manager |
| 21:21.04 | herlo | which is why I corrected myself above |
| 21:21.10 | herlo | WM = window manager :) |
| 21:21.40 | fungus | middle click paste and auto copy of highlights makes me sooo happy |
| 21:21.48 | herlo | me too! |
| 21:21.54 | herlo | happy happy joy joy |
| 21:21.56 | clintberry | fungus: Yeah, I could do that. Caps lock is so much closer on my keyboard |
| 21:22.22 | herlo | then I would definitely use the pinky for that |
| 21:22.39 | fungus | Caps lock is so conveniently placed, but so rarely used, such a shame |
| 21:22.48 | herlo | map the capslock to control and don't change the control to anything else. You don't use caps that much anyway |
| 21:23.05 | herlo | the google chrome book doesn't have capslock aiui |
| 21:23.52 | herlo | http://www.google.com/chromebook/#chromebooks-samsung <-- click the second pic |
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| 21:24.12 | clintberry | ha, they replace it with a search key? |
| 21:24.35 | fungus | That's a little better than caps, but still could be better |
| 21:25.25 | fungus | I like the removal of the windows keys |
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| 21:27.16 | herlo | me three |
| 21:27.28 | herlo | well, it's google. What else would they put there :) |
| 21:27.35 | herlo | search makes sense to them |
| 21:27.39 | clintberry | I want this keyboard: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/popularis/ |
| 21:27.58 | herlo | haha, no you don't |
| 21:28.13 | herlo | that'd be a horrible keyboard imo |
| 21:28.23 | herlo | but then again, I hate chiclet keyboards |
| 21:28.57 | fungus | It would be really fun, but the Optimus Maximus would be better to type on |
| 21:29.27 | clintberry | but the fact that I could make the keys whatever I want is exciting to me. I could even try different layouts |
| 21:29.44 | fungus | but $2k for a keyboard... no thanks |
| 21:29.57 | herlo | haha, yeah |
| 21:29.59 | fungus | clintberry, that's what all the Optimus keyboards do |
| 21:30.16 | clintberry | ouch... $2k |
| 21:30.38 | clintberry | there goes that idea. Imagine telling my wife.... yeah, but it is a really COOL keyboard... |
| 21:30.51 | fungus | http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/maximus/ |
| 21:31.27 | herlo | clintberry: don't tell her and just buy it, see how that goes :) |
| 21:31.33 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 21:31.40 | herlo | wimp! |
| 21:31.48 | clintberry | it's hard to miss that expense on mint.com |
| 21:31.54 | herlo | c'mon, I want to hear about the results... |
| 21:32.13 | herlo | lol |
| 21:32.21 | clintberry | I can see it now, the email comes in... "You have exceeded your budget for electronics by $1800 this month" |
| 21:32.44 | herlo | clintberry: you get $200 for electronics each month, wow! Nice! |
| 21:32.57 | clintberry | ha ha. I have to get my fix :-) |
| 21:32.59 | herlo | </sarcasm> |
| 21:33.23 | herlo | it's one of my main costs, but I don't even think I spend that much every month |
| 21:33.35 | herlo | probably around $25-50 is all |
| 21:33.56 | clintberry | For me it has been home automation lately. I keep buying more light switches and door locks |
| 21:33.56 | herlo | but I do buy a new laptop once a year, so that adds up. |
| 21:34.04 | herlo | how do those count? |
| 21:34.06 | clintberry | once a year! Awesome! |
| 21:34.09 | herlo | that seems like home improvement |
| 21:34.21 | herlo | yeah, well the business pays for it, great write-off |
| 21:34.21 | clintberry | ha ha! I am going to change the budget. I am spinning this all wrong |
| 21:34.33 | herlo | yes, yes you are! |
| 21:35.02 | clintberry | I am a newb. I need to consult you experts about marriage relations ;-) |
| 21:35.21 | herlo | clintberry: I'm an expert for sure, been married three times! |
| 21:35.41 | clintberry | Third time's a charm, I hope ;-) |
| 21:35.43 | herlo | :-D |
| 21:35.53 | herlo | It seems to be sticking the best so far |
| 21:36.02 | herlo | but I still have a couple more years to go before I can really tell |
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| 21:42.49 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 21:42.49 | raifbot | pours hot grits down the front of opapo's pants. |
| 21:43.45 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 21:43.46 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto josePHPagoda whilst whistling innocently |
| 21:44.46 | mahelious | ~lart IT department |
| 21:44.46 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up IT department |
| 21:45.37 | TuxToaster | ~rootkit hhatfield |
| 21:45.44 | TuxToaster | meh |
| 21:45.49 | hhatfield | ~mehstats |
| 21:46.07 | hhatfield | hhatfield |
| 21:46.11 | hhatfield | ~hhatfield |
| 21:46.11 | ibot | All hail the lolKing! |
| 21:46.17 | TuxToaster | ~tuxtoaster hhatfield |
| 21:46.17 | ibot | ACTION pours gas all over hhatfield, stands back and tosses a match |
| 21:46.20 | hhatfield | $rock on |
| 21:46.25 | hhatfield | $save me |
| 21:46.25 | raifbot | calls Chuck Norris to bust me out of a maximum security prison |
| 21:46.44 | hhatfield | $save not you, but me, |
| 21:46.44 | raifbot | calls Chuck Norris to bust not you, but me, out of a maximum security prison |
| 21:46.57 | josephscott | haha |
| 21:47.47 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 21:48.06 | hhatfield | $stupid raifbot |
| 21:48.15 | TuxToaster | $save his knee while breaking |
| 21:48.16 | raifbot | calls Chuck Norris to bust his knee while breaking out of a maximum security prison |
| 21:48.21 | hhatfield | ~stupid raifbot |
| 21:48.35 | hhatfield | ~say $stupid raifbot |
| 21:48.35 | ibot | $stupid raifbot |
| 21:48.45 | hhatfield | ~stupid ibot |
| 21:48.50 | TuxToaster | ~say I'm dumb. |
| 21:48.50 | ibot | I'm dumb. |
| 21:48.54 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 21:48.57 | hhatfield | I thought one of them replied "stupid human" |
| 21:49.15 | hhatfield | ~say $stupid bot |
| 21:49.15 | ibot | $stupid bot |
| 21:49.16 | TuxToaster | stupid bot |
| 21:49.22 | TuxToaster | apparently not |
| 21:49.25 | hhatfield | ~stupid bot |
| 21:49.25 | ibot | Stupid human. |
| 21:49.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:50.00 | TuxToaster | $lart josephscott |
| 21:50.01 | raifbot | resizes josephscott's terminal to 40x24. |
| 21:50.12 | TuxToaster | there you go. Much easier to read your screen now. |
| 21:50.53 | josephscott | ~lolstats |
| 21:50.53 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4245. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 611 (14.4%), carmony -- 507 (11.9%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.3%) |
| 21:51.01 | josephscott | extending your lead :-) |
| 21:51.35 | TuxToaster | gah |
| 21:51.43 | TuxToaster | $lart lol |
| 21:51.43 | raifbot | hits lol with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha. |
| 21:51.51 | beandog | ~mehstats |
| 21:51.53 | TuxToaster | ironic lart is ironic |
| 21:52.26 | hhatfield | ~lart rain on your wedding day |
| 21:52.26 | ibot | plops rain on your wedding day into a giant vat of herring |
| 21:52.36 | TuxToaster | urm |
| 21:52.40 | beandog | lol |
| 21:52.41 | TuxToaster | that's a bit... strange |
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| 21:52.45 | beandog | seems fitting |
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| 21:58.40 | TuxToaster | $lart Ice, Ice, Baby |
| 21:58.40 | raifbot | drops a truckload of VAXen on Ice, Ice, Baby. |
| 21:58.46 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 21:59.12 | hhatfield | $lart a free ride when you've already paid |
| 21:59.12 | raifbot | hauls a free ride when you've already paid up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles. |
| 21:59.15 | TuxToaster | also fitting |
| 22:00.04 | TuxToaster | $lart a no smoking sign on your cigarette break |
| 22:00.04 | raifbot | installs PocketPC on a no smoking sign on your cigarette break's PDA. |
| 22:04.14 | TuxToaster | $8ball ? |
| 22:04.14 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Cannot predict now. |
| 22:04.17 | TuxToaster | meh. |
| 22:04.26 | TuxToaster | $8ball ! |
| 22:04.26 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Ask again later. |
| 22:04.33 | TuxToaster | wow, picky bot. |
| 22:04.48 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you picky? |
| 22:04.48 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook good. |
| 22:04.57 | fungus | sudo reboot |
| 22:05.01 | fungus | doh |
| 22:05.04 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:05.24 | beandog | lulz |
| 22:05.27 | TuxToaster | fungus: the best thing that could happen there is if a netsplit occurred at the same time |
| 22:05.37 | TuxToaster | sudo reboot .... bunch of people drop out |
| 22:05.39 | beandog | Does anyone else ever accidentally reboot the wrong server |
| 22:05.47 | fungus | beandog, of course |
| 22:06.28 | fungus | that's why having a good prompt, terminal title, etc. are good practice. |
| 22:07.03 | TuxToaster | terminal title is hard to enforce sometimes, I've seen times where my term shows a title from a previous session |
| 22:07.22 | fungus | then you should fix it |
| 22:07.30 | fungus | :) |
| 22:08.33 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 22:09.12 | TuxToaster | I think the worst accidental reboot I did was I had ssh'ed into a server from an ssh session, instead of a fresh terminal |
| 22:09.51 | TuxToaster | and then later didn't realize it was a nested ssh session and made a couple of changes and rebooted |
| 22:10.22 | beandog | TuxToaster: derp |
| 22:10.24 | beandog | sshception |
| 22:10.47 | TuxToaster | at that job it was always hard to know what box you were on, because he had set them all up by cloning an existing box |
| 22:10.56 | TuxToaster | and all of them were named identically. |
| 22:11.33 | TuxToaster | he would refer to them by IPs, like he called them app14, app15, app16, etc. |
| 22:11.50 | beandog | wow, srsly? |
| 22:11.52 | TuxToaster | but the hostname and prompt all just said app |
| 22:11.56 | beandog | lol |
| 22:11.58 | beandog | that's horrible |
| 22:12.12 | TuxToaster | yup, and I wasn't allowed to change it, because that's how he wanted it done |
| 22:12.39 | TuxToaster | plus he'd randomly make new boxes and move things around |
| 22:12.48 | beandog | TuxToaster: just write a nice shell script ... if $USER=="steve"; then HOSTNAME=app; fi |
| 22:13.16 | TuxToaster | like when I first started, we had app14-19, the ecommerce box was .21, etc. |
| 22:13.43 | TuxToaster | I'd like to say that I doubt there were ever actually 20 app boxes to begin with, and that he just randomly assigned them to make it seem like he had more boxes |
| 22:14.10 | TuxToaster | but one morning we suddenly had 1-10, and 14-19 to deal with because he decided we needed more. |
| 22:16.28 | TuxToaster | and I know it sounds silly to say the reasoning was just to make it sound like we had more boxes (I mean, who cares how many boxes we have, right?) but one of the job postings put out a couple of years ago listed managing 100+ boxes as a job requirement. |
| 22:17.51 | TuxToaster | (we only had one, not even full colo cabinet at the time, and most of the stuff wasn't virtualized until about a year ago) |
| 22:18.17 | TuxToaster | so, no way there were ever that many hosts, but apparently it's important to sound like we had that many. |
| 22:18.45 | TuxToaster | $lart misrepresentation |
| 22:18.45 | raifbot | turns misrepresentation into a lifesized tux doll. |
| 22:19.06 | TuxToaster | what is it with the fitting larts today? |
| 22:23.47 | beandog | let's find out |
| 22:23.55 | beandog | $8ball is everything in the cosmos aligned today |
| 22:23.56 | raifbot | beandog - You may rely on it. |
| 22:23.58 | beandog | see? |
| 22:24.11 | beandog | the cosmos speak for their own stability |
| 22:30.46 | TuxToaster | or instability |
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| 22:37.53 | beandog | ~welcome PoeticIntensity |
| 22:37.54 | ibot | Howdy, PoeticIntensity! |
| 22:38.06 | PoeticIntensity | yooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:38.30 | TuxToaster | ~put beandog in a cement box |
| 22:38.47 | TuxToaster | of all the actions, it doesn't do ~put? |
| 22:38.50 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 22:38.56 | beandog | ~whut |
| 22:38.56 | ibot | whut is probably the matrix You a redneck, son? |
| 22:39.01 | beandog | lol |
| 22:39.08 | TuxToaster | beandog: WAT. |
| 22:39.51 | beandog | ~redneck |
| 22:39.52 | ibot | redneck is, like, amir |
| 22:39.56 | beandog | ~amir |
| 22:39.56 | ibot | amir is probably beandog's best friend and now needs help with C++. help him beandog |
| 22:40.01 | beandog | huh? |
| 22:40.10 | beandog | ~what |
| 22:40.10 | ibot | idk |
| 22:40.13 | beandog | ~why |
| 22:40.13 | ibot | Because! |
| 22:40.16 | beandog | ~ok |
| 22:40.16 | ibot | fine |
| 22:40.20 | TuxToaster | l.o.l. |
| 22:41.06 | beandog | heh |
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| 22:41.39 | beandog | ~welcome ninnypants |
| 22:41.39 | ibot | Hey, ninnypants! Glad you could join us. |
| 22:42.12 | TuxToaster | ~welcome ibot |
| 22:42.13 | ibot | Welcome to the party, ibot! |
| 22:42.44 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 22:42.51 | TuxToaster | ~welcome sit back and watch paint dry |
| 22:42.52 | ibot | Welcome to the party, sit back and watch paint dry! |
| 22:42.57 | TuxToaster | haha |
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| 23:39.42 | beandog | So |
| 23:39.46 | beandog | who wants to go to lagoon this year |
| 23:41.47 | herlo | beandog: I do, I do! |
| 23:41.53 | beandog | :D |
| 23:41.54 | herlo | but not on pioneer day |
| 23:41.59 | beandog | :C |
| 23:42.00 | beandog | why not |
| 23:42.03 | herlo | it's too late for me this year |
| 23:42.08 | beandog | too late? |
| 23:42.11 | herlo | my son goes home right before the 4th of july |
| 23:42.17 | beandog | We can start having semi-annual lagoon day too |
| 23:42.29 | herlo | he won't be back until september |
| 23:42.57 | beandog | Hmm |
| 23:42.58 | herlo | beandog: let's do one in Late June. |
| 23:43.01 | beandog | When do they even close |
| 23:43.04 | beandog | herlo: okay |
| 23:43.07 | herlo | :) |
| 23:43.16 | herlo | beandog: you could go anytime, couldn't you? |
| 23:43.24 | beandog | I haven't bought season passes this year |
| 23:43.29 | beandog | I dont think I'm going to |
| 23:44.59 | herlo | well, I wasn't saying you should :) |
| 23:45.08 | herlo | just that you would go anytime |
| 23:45.12 | herlo | pretty much |
| 23:45.18 | beandog | Oh |
| 23:45.19 | beandog | yah |
| 23:45.25 | beandog | totally |
| 23:45.27 | herlo | lol |
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| 23:49.29 | beandog | ~welcome carmony |
| 23:49.29 | ibot | Hey, carmony! Glad you could join us. |
| 23:49.37 | beandog | carmony: are you interviewing or being interviewed |
| 23:49.38 | carmony | hey |
| 23:49.42 | carmony | being interviewed |
| 23:49.49 | beandog | how come |
| 23:49.52 | beandog | you don't like where you're at? |
| 23:49.59 | carmony | thinking about changing jobs :) |
| 23:50.25 | beandog | carmony: well good luck with that |
| 23:50.46 | carmony | yeah |
| 23:50.53 | herlo | :P |
| 23:50.58 | carmony | they were super, super tough interviews |
| 23:51.07 | herlo | really? |
| 23:51.09 | beandog | hows that |
| 23:51.11 | carmony | but I think I aced 5 of 6 of them, and did acceptable in the one |
| 23:51.22 | herlo | for someone as skilled as you, I would think it'd be a breeze |
| 23:51.29 | beandog | did they ask those stupid rhetorical questions |
| 23:51.35 | carmony | well, they pushed my knowledge to the limits |
| 23:51.40 | carmony | each person had a subject |
| 23:51.45 | herlo | carmony: that sounds like fun, tbh |
| 23:51.49 | beandog | yah |
| 23:51.58 | herlo | at least you know that they are smart people you might be working with |
| 23:52.01 | beandog | herlo: I kind of like to know that *they* know what they are talking about, too |
| 23:52.39 | herlo | beandog: the interview is not just about the potential employee, but both sides. I'm a business owner now and have to think about how we can benefit our staff. |
| 23:52.42 | carmony | Front End (CSS), PHP & Backend, MySQL, Sys Admin & Ops, Management, and one overall |
| 23:52.57 | beandog | herlo: I feel the same way ... I like to ask them a lot of questions to see if I wanna work there. |
| 23:53.10 | herlo | and why they might want to work for us, what the fun things we do, how we work and our culture. All of that stuff is way important |
| 23:53.20 | herlo | and working with smart people is up there for sure |
| 23:53.21 | beandog | herlo: no kidding |
| 23:53.26 | herlo | carmony: coolness! |
| 23:53.37 | beandog | herlo: I had a boss say once that the #1 reason someone will accept a job is money, but the #1 reason they will leave is because of culture |
| 23:53.42 | herlo | carmony: which area do you think you did 'just okay' in? |
| 23:53.46 | carmony | MySQL |
| 23:53.48 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.52 | carmony | the guy used very, very techincal terms |
| 23:53.57 | carmony | which I'm not the best with |
| 23:54.01 | carmony | so I knew what he was talking about |
| 23:54.04 | beandog | like what |
| 23:54.10 | herlo | carmony: yeah, but that's wholly not important as long as he got your meaning |
| 23:54.14 | carmony | just when he would ask "What is Index Coverage?" |
| 23:54.19 | beandog | whut. |
| 23:54.22 | beandog | what is that? |
| 23:54.39 | herlo | that's kind of a vague question |
| 23:54.59 | beandog | "it covers indexes. Duh." |
| 23:55.19 | carmony | He said it was indexes that you could query and the relevant data is only in the index |
| 23:55.23 | herlo | I don't care how much you know about MySQL, he needs to give a better chance to answer it because not everyone reads every word of the MySQL manual front to back |
| 23:55.29 | carmony | so you hit the index instead of the data (disk) |
| 23:55.48 | herlo | seems useful |
| 23:55.52 | carmony | yeah |
| 23:56.00 | carmony | it was just we weren't on the same page with terminology |
| 23:56.03 | herlo | but isn't that just querying an index? |
| 23:56.05 | carmony | but I'm sure I did well |
| 23:56.06 | beandog | terminology is rough |
| 23:56.11 | herlo | cna be |
| 23:56.17 | herlo | sometimes it's important |
| 23:56.53 | carmony | yeah |
| 23:56.59 | beandog | yah, so you know you're on the same page |
| 23:57.07 | carmony | we talked about Backup solutions and I had some brain farts |
| 23:57.30 | beandog | backup solutions ... just that term scares me |
| 23:57.44 | herlo | heh, sounds like they want a well-rounded person |
| 23:57.46 | carmony | like using a slave to do backups, I said how we would handle it |
| 23:58.00 | carmony | and he was like "Well, how else could you accomplish that?" |
| 23:58.06 | beandog | o.O |
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| 23:58.08 | beandog | courier |
| 23:58.10 | carmony | like they really pushed your brain |
| 23:58.19 | carmony | it was really good, the guy really knew his stuff |
| 23:58.30 | herlo | fun |
| 23:58.45 | beandog | Was he specialized in that? |
| 23:58.49 | herlo | carmony: what will you be doing there, assuming they offer you the job? |
| 23:58.52 | beandog | like was he a full time DBA or what |
| 23:59.02 | carmony | Kinda |
| 23:59.07 | carmony | Director of Web Development |
| 23:59.14 | beandog | huh |
| 23:59.18 | beandog | intresting. |
| 23:59.23 | beandog | Okay I'm going home. |
| 23:59.24 | herlo | well, that explains why they asked all of those sorts of questions |
| 23:59.25 | beandog | Seeya guys |
| 23:59.32 | herlo | they don't want a dummy managing the department |
| 23:59.44 | herlo | man, he leaves fast! |
| 23:59.56 | carmony | yeah |