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| 13:50.02 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 13:50.02 | raifbot | blasts romanovic with a huge firehose then strangles romanovic with it. |
| 13:50.06 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 13:50.06 | ibot | declares peno a moron |
| 13:50.15 | hhatfield | ~harsh |
| 13:51.02 | peno | ibot never was a good judge of character. |
| 13:51.47 | hhatfield | someone needs to explain to her that you can lart without being mean |
| 13:57.37 | herlo | it's also possible that ibot is correct, peno |
| 13:58.02 | herlo | :P |
| 13:58.56 | peno | quiet you |
| 13:59.10 | hhatfield | ~hush |
| 13:59.10 | ibot | well, hush is http://www.apt.needs.to.hush.up.org |
| 14:02.19 | herlo | lol |
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| 15:04.56 | mahelious | !!! |
| 15:05.05 | mahelious | xkcd: best april fools ever! |
| 15:08.12 | ninnypants | I've been hoping someone will compile a giant image of all of them |
| 15:10.53 | herlo | mahelious: did you see the one from bitbucket? |
| 15:11.39 | mahelious | no, i was too busy getting the dragon warrior knight to go into different monuments. :( |
| 15:12.00 | mahelious | what did bitbucket do? |
| 15:12.05 | herlo | look up, bitbucket spooning |
| 15:12.11 | herlo | that should be good enough to get you there :) |
| 15:13.23 | herlo | mahelious: what was the xkcd one? I don't see it there anymore :( |
| 15:14.42 | mahelious | it loads a different comic depending on user-agent string and location |
| 15:14.58 | mahelious | check it out in firefox, chrome and ie. |
| 15:15.07 | ninnypants | http://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd//comments/rnst4/april_fools_xkcd_changing_comic/ |
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| 15:38.59 | ninnypants | http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3348475/munich-mayor-says-switch-linux-is-much-cheaper-reduced-complaints/ |
| 15:39.22 | ninnypants | wonder if anywhere in the US will start doing this ^^ |
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| 15:40.22 | captbrogers | Doubtful, sadly. I feel like we used to be the leader in innovation, but we have been so stagnant lately. Then again, I'm pessimistic |
| 15:48.23 | ninnypants | yeah I doubt it too but it would make complete sense |
| 15:51.21 | mahelious | ninnypants: you might be surprised at how far open-source has made it in the US |
| 15:51.56 | mahelious | a number of municipalities and state governments have embraced a similar approach (New York City w/ solid office and Largo, FL come to mind) |
| 15:51.57 | ninnypants | mahelious: oh? |
| 15:52.14 | ninnypants | ahh I've never heard of those |
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| 15:52.29 | mahelious | not to mention most of silicon valley. i used to work with a guy who was responsible for most of the transition for the city of san mateo, CA |
| 15:52.49 | mahelious | not to mention military deployments. the DoD and the navy love linux |
| 15:54.28 | ninnypants | yeah not surprised that the DoD and navy love it though I'm really surprised that smaller towns and communities haven't picked up on it since they could benefit most |
| 15:55.16 | captbrogers | I do recall the Air Force snapping up a bunch of PS3's to put linux on them and use them as a cluster just before Sony released an update that took away that feature |
| 15:56.00 | mahelious | im surprised the jobs angle isnt exploited more often. replacing microsoft with open-source usually has a minimal cost savings effect, but the money goes to hiring and developing talent locally. so the money stays within the community, instead of being funneled to microsoft. |
| 15:56.16 | mahelious | "redmonds taking er jerbs!" |
| 15:57.25 | ninnypants | mahelious: yeah that's one of the angles I was thinking of too |
| 15:58.05 | mahelious | captbrogers: the condor cluster. im not in the know, but i believe its still online. |
| 15:59.09 | ninnypants | yeah it is but they can't make another without being sued by sony or something like that |
| 15:59.21 | ninnypants | I'm not 100% sure what the reason is |
| 16:01.09 | carmony | anyone here ever use s3ql? |
| 16:06.37 | captbrogers | mahelious: I just remember seeing an article that the Air Force was ticked off about it |
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| 16:07.57 | itimber | not good to tick off the Air Force |
| 16:08.03 | ninnypants | captbrogers: I'm sure they are the condor cluster has something like a teraflop of processing power |
| 16:08.08 | mahelious | it was a wake up call for a number of groups as i recall. |
| 16:09.04 | mahelious | sony was happy to indulge the garage developer as a niche audience, but when they started looking at numbers that said up to 20% of the hardware consumers were never going to play a game, it got them nervous. |
| 16:10.32 | mahelious | the ps3 was $200/unit loss for the company i think? sony expects game sales to make up the difference, so unfortunately it was a lose-lose situation. |
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| 16:21.09 | captbrogers | Yeah, I understood their reasoning. I just remember thinking it would make a great computer, even a slick looking one, at a price tag that would support their production costs. I also remember thinking it was a smart move for the Air Force, getting very powerful, yet compact, machines and running them as a cluster. |
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| 16:38.25 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 16:38.25 | raifbot | follow's tomammon with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION. |
| 16:38.43 | josephscott | $8ball good day? |
| 16:38.44 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 16:38.51 | josephscott | $8ball are you sure? |
| 16:38.52 | raifbot | josephscott - It is certain. |
| 16:38.55 | josephscott | hmm |
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| 16:39.49 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:39.50 | raifbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at ninnypants. |
| 16:39.57 | TuxToaster | $8ball does that make your day better? |
| 16:39.57 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Ask again later. |
| 16:40.08 | TuxToaster | emobot |
| 16:45.06 | tomammon | he he... |
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| 17:01.02 | josephscott | $8ball will it snow again this month? |
| 17:01.02 | raifbot | josephscott - As I see it, yes. |
| 17:01.56 | utahcon | josephscott: Do you have slides/video/audio from your IRC bot preso? |
| 17:02.22 | josephscott | that was awhile ago, I don't recall if I do or not |
| 17:02.31 | josephscott | I think I mostly just walked through the code |
| 17:02.53 | utahcon | would you be willing to pastebin the code ? |
| 17:03.23 | josephscott | was there a particular part you were interested in? |
| 17:03.35 | josephscott | it is mostly just a adding on to the pear IRC package |
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| 17:04.21 | utahcon | iirc you had a restart function in your bot, is that right? |
| 17:04.54 | herlo | only takes a minute or two |
| 17:05.15 | josephscott | yep, it re-loads the function definitions when sent a kill -HUP |
| 17:05.34 | josephscott | the pre-github clean up takes the most effort :-) |
| 17:08.40 | utahcon | josephscott: I am also interested in how raifbot runs, daemonized etc. |
| 17:09.05 | josephscott | the daemon portion is still only half done |
| 17:09.32 | josephscott | once it got to a semi-working state I didn't give it much attention :-( |
| 17:09.39 | utahcon | lol |
| 17:09.46 | josephscott | $8ball does the raifbot deserve more love? |
| 17:09.46 | raifbot | josephscott - Without a doubt. |
| 17:13.26 | ninnypants | josephscott: what have you done to get it running so far? |
| 17:13.47 | josephscott | I just run it in the background, in screen |
| 17:13.52 | ninnypants | I was thinking about using something like what carmony did for his workers |
| 17:14.00 | ninnypants | for my campfire bot |
| 17:14.01 | carmony | hmm? |
| 17:14.21 | josephscott | daemon for PHP isn't a huge problem, I was just too lazy to bother :-) |
| 17:14.39 | josephscott | I think there is even a pear module for daemons |
| 17:14.48 | utahcon | it is ok |
| 17:15.28 | carmony | we should have a botwars channel for UPHPU where we all make bots and have them fight to the death, or whatever the IRC equivelant of that is... |
| 17:16.27 | josephscott | $8ball would you crush all challengers? |
| 17:16.27 | raifbot | josephscott - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 17:16.36 | skinner | carmony: that would be awesome |
| 17:17.01 | herlo | josephscott: that's how most bots run, tbh |
| 17:17.21 | herlo | at least in my experience, that is. In screen without a daemon :P |
| 17:17.42 | mahelious | $lart ibot |
| 17:17.42 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 17:17.51 | mahelious | ~lart raifbot |
| 17:17.51 | ibot | strangles raifbot with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 17:18.05 | mahelious | like that, forever. |
| 17:18.55 | josephscott | $8ball would you crush all challengers? |
| 17:18.55 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 17:19.06 | josephscott | ~give raifbot more confidence |
| 17:19.06 | ibot | ACTION gives more confidence to raifbot |
| 17:21.02 | mahelious | $say It's super-effective! |
| 17:22.52 | mahelious | $rmindtrick |
| 17:22.53 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) jtsnow move along. |
| 17:29.58 | ninnypants | anyone have recommendations for hosting? Places like Media Temple but not media temlpe |
| 17:30.35 | ninnypants | we've been having a lot of issues with MT lately so we're looking for other places to recommend |
| 17:31.19 | macnewbold | carmony: have you tried #botpark? |
| 17:31.25 | carmony | nope |
| 17:31.28 | carmony | didn't know about it :p |
| 17:31.33 | macnewbold | that's the botwars channel i think |
| 17:31.40 | macnewbold | might be #bot-park |
| 17:40.07 | mahelious | ninnypants: im a big fan of linode, but i couldnt tell you if they provide 1:1 the services that media temple does. |
| 17:43.00 | ninnypants | mahelious: yeah we're looking for stuff the client can sign up for so they can switch at any time |
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| 17:43.19 | ninnypants | the stuff I'm looking at now are things like Stackable and network solutions |
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| 18:52.48 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:52.50 | raifbot | teaches bradym that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 18:54.08 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 18:54.08 | raifbot | One day a kid in school was asked a math question. He simply said "Chuck Norris" and the teacher said he was wrong. The teacher was never seen again. |
| 18:58.05 | clintberry | I am late to the party, but I want in on the epic bot battle. I customized GitHub's Hubot for #utahjs and it works great so far (we called him hoggle). |
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| 19:01.20 | TuxToaster | clintberry: lol |
| 19:01.45 | TuxToaster | I like the idea of having a bot perform tasks easily |
| 19:02.43 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: same I'm writing a campfire bot to do things like install WP or other random things for us |
| 19:02.58 | TuxToaster | yup I remember seeing that |
| 19:03.38 | ninnypants | yeah it reports on site speed and stuff like that right now |
| 19:03.45 | ninnypants | still needs a lot of code |
| 19:04.12 | TuxToaster | yeah the bots I run right now are to keep bloggers updated in a newsroom |
| 19:04.26 | TuxToaster | but the backend they have to deal with doesn't take kindly to allowing scripts to make changes |
| 19:04.58 | TuxToaster | most of the info they pull on posts and stats is done by an intermediary script that logs in and scrapes details, then caches them locally for the bots to ping |
| 19:06.14 | TuxToaster | still, they're handy for things like pinging the channel when a post is put into the queue or goes live on the site, or alerting if someone forgot to tag the post properly or is missing images, etc. |
| 19:08.51 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: that's cool |
| 19:13.49 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: yup yup. Still trying to figure out ways to justify adding features like chuck facts though. |
| 19:13.50 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:14.05 | TuxToaster | I did slip in an 8ball if you directly ask the bot a question |
| 19:14.30 | ninnypants | nice |
| 19:15.29 | josephscott | jsmith: have you posted to the jobs list yet? |
| 19:15.47 | jsmith | josephscott: First day on the job -- still working on that :-) |
| 19:15.56 | josephscott | :-) |
| 19:16.00 | jsmith | josephscott: As soon as I have a company email address, that's next on my list :-) |
| 19:18.25 | ninnypants | did you leave redhat, jsmith? |
| 19:19.48 | jsmith | ninnypants: I did. I loved working for them, but I got an opportunity I couldn't turn down from Bluehost |
| 19:20.24 | ninnypants | must've been pretty good |
| 19:21.32 | skinner | jsmith: You work at bluehost now? |
| 19:21.34 | captbrogers | I must inquire, what offer. |
| 19:22.05 | captbrogers | Skinner and I used to work there |
| 19:32.16 | jsmith | skinner: As of today, yes :-) |
| 19:41.12 | mgeary | jsmith: doing what? |
| 19:41.46 | TuxToaster | so I think I might have asked this before, but I don't believe anyone responded at the time... but anyone here have experience with any local companies installing a vinyl fence? |
| 19:44.51 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: I installed one last summer at my house |
| 19:46.23 | jsmith | mgeary: Hacking on WordPress, at least for now |
| 19:46.33 | TuxToaster | john_anderson: did you install it yourself? Or did you hire a company to do it? |
| 19:46.53 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: hired it out |
| 19:47.10 | john_anderson | I was laid up and there were some gates and things I wanted done right |
| 19:47.28 | TuxToaster | who'd you go with, if I might ask? And how was the pricing? |
| 19:48.01 | john_anderson | oh - I'd have to ask my wife... I don't remember |
| 19:48.06 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:48.23 | john_anderson | She was online at the time you first asked, but no more :) |
| 19:48.30 | TuxToaster | if you do happen to get a chance to find out, I'd love to know |
| 19:48.37 | john_anderson | yeah will do |
| 19:49.09 | TuxToaster | so far it's looking like it's going to run me about $7k, so I definitely want to make sure my t's are crossed. |
| 19:49.22 | mgeary | TuxToaster: how big is your lot? |
| 19:50.03 | TuxToaster | about .21 acres I think? The fence going around the back yard is about 270ft |
| 19:50.06 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: yeah it's kinda expensive no matter how you roll it |
| 19:50.24 | TuxToaster | and then a simple two-rail ranch style fence in the front is another 87ft |
| 19:50.28 | mgeary | wow. i had no idea it was that expensive. |
| 19:50.47 | mgeary | i guess i've got to give up on my hopes of a wrought iron fence for my half-acre |
| 19:51.10 | TuxToaster | it seems to run about $20/ft installed |
| 19:51.37 | TuxToaster | mgeary: not sure on this, but I want to say the costs I saw on a wrought iron fence were a bit higher than vinyl even |
| 19:52.36 | mgeary | i'd assume so |
| 19:52.53 | TuxToaster | yeah, looks like a quick google says they are upwards of $30/ft |
| 19:54.05 | john_anderson | yeah vinyl is kinda the sweet spot between durable and affordable |
| 19:54.08 | john_anderson | imho |
| 19:54.33 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:54.53 | TuxToaster | I wouldn't mind wrought iron for some things |
| 19:55.27 | TuxToaster | love the look of it and it's stronger than most anything else.... but I'm admittedly lazy and wouldn't want to deal with rust or painting it, etc. |
| 19:55.30 | TuxToaster | same with a wood fence |
| 19:55.54 | TuxToaster | tempted to build a vinyl/composite deck as well |
| 19:56.04 | TuxToaster | but their bid on that came in at like $11k |
| 19:56.10 | fungus | There's always chain link, if you don't mind it looking like ass |
| 19:56.25 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:56.25 | TuxToaster | yeah, no |
| 19:56.30 | TuxToaster | I hate chain link for a number of reasons |
| 19:56.36 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 19:56.51 | TuxToaster | probably my biggest gripe there though is I have a weird.... allergy? |
| 19:57.14 | fungus | allergic to your own ass? |
| 19:57.17 | TuxToaster | seriously, if I touch metal like a fence, sometimes (not always) my hand swells up |
| 19:57.27 | TuxToaster | no idea what causes it, and it's sporatic |
| 19:58.23 | fungus | that is strange. |
| 19:58.29 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:59.03 | TuxToaster | never have figured out the cause, but I'm sure I'd be more annoyed with it if I had a chain link fence. |
| 19:59.37 | TuxToaster | oh and john_anderson, that's what happens when people sit on a waffle iron. |
| 20:00.00 | john_anderson | ew |
| 20:00.22 | TuxToaster | hey, you started that viusal. :P |
| 20:02.16 | TuxToaster | but yeah, currently trying to decide between going with Vinyl Industries in Lehi, which distributes aind installs the fence, looks like they might have better, thicker materials for the buck... vs. going with a smaller construction company up here in SLC that came in at almost the same price but with shorter runs of fencing for durability (6 ft sections instead of 8) |
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| 20:15.25 | ninnypants | jsmith: what kind of things are you guys doing on WordPress? |
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| 20:31.17 | ninnypants | josePHPagoda: should your pricing tool be working like this http://awesomescreenshot.com/0662nqva7 |
| 20:31.36 | jsmith | ninnypants: All kinds of things :-) |
| 20:31.51 | ninnypants | I was playing with it and have 9 dbs for only $24 |
| 20:32.02 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 20:32.05 | josePHPagoda | that's not right |
| 20:32.08 | josePHPagoda | i'll report the bug |
| 20:32.20 | ninnypants | didn't figure |
| 20:32.40 | josePHPagoda | though, that'd be awesome if we could |
| 20:32.45 | josePHPagoda | have you had a chance to mess w/ us yet? |
| 20:33.34 | ninnypants | not yet but I'm putting you on our recommended hosting list that we give clients |
| 20:34.00 | josePHPagoda | cool |
| 20:34.22 | josePHPagoda | i'm sure everyone has seen this already, but drawception.com is crazy |
| 20:36.23 | mahelious | ninnypants: pft, thats nothing. i just setup 180 x 10MB databases for Free |
| 20:36.40 | ninnypants | josePHPagoda: I've been meaning to play with pagodabox for a while now but haven't had a personal project that I've even needed hosting for in a while |
| 20:36.58 | josePHPagoda | mahelious: that's actually accurate |
| 20:37.16 | josePHPagoda | ninnypants: understood |
| 20:44.25 | TuxToaster | $lart pagodabox |
| 20:44.26 | raifbot | crushes pagodabox with a full height scsi disk. |
| 20:44.28 | TuxToaster | just for fun |
| 20:44.46 | josePHPagoda | :'( |
| 20:45.08 | TuxToaster | $save pagodabox |
| 20:45.08 | raifbot | asks the President to please pardon pagodabox |
| 20:45.20 | carmony | hmmm... s3ql hates me... |
| 20:45.36 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 20:45.44 | josePHPagoda | how're you doing TuxToaster? |
| 20:46.01 | TuxToaster | better this week... last 3 weeks were a bit crazy |
| 20:46.05 | mahelious | s3ql hates everyone. like you're special enough to earn its ire. |
| 20:46.57 | carmony | its a mounting tool |
| 20:47.02 | TuxToaster | though given the name, I would have thought it was a database |
| 20:47.06 | TuxToaster | yeah, just looked it up |
| 20:47.22 | TuxToaster | really dumb name :P |
| 20:47.49 | TuxToaster | s3fs would have made much more sense, IMO |
| 20:48.01 | TuxToaster | but cool concept |
| 20:48.10 | josePHPagoda | better name would be |
| 20:48.18 | TuxToaster | here it comes... |
| 20:48.20 | josePHPagoda | s3wtf? |
| 20:48.23 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:48.41 | carmony | there is a s3fs |
| 20:49.37 | TuxToaster | well, given that it works with other sites and not just s3, they could have also gone for all kinds of different names. s3ql to me just looks like a l33t spin on sql |
| 20:49.40 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 20:49.52 | josePHPagoda | it's like |
| 20:49.56 | josePHPagoda | 53QL |
| 20:50.03 | josePHPagoda | for the leet pholf |
| 20:50.07 | josePHPagoda | err |
| 20:50.09 | josePHPagoda | pholk |
| 20:59.25 | carmony | I've gotten s3ql to work now on Google's Storage and S3, but not Rackspace Cloud :/ I get an error |
| 21:00.12 | ninnypants | josePHPagoda: does the third party ssl include the certificate? |
| 21:02.13 | josePHPagoda | it does not |
| 21:04.42 | beandog | s3fs sucks. s3cmd rawks. |
| 21:29.28 | josephscott | ug |
| 21:29.32 | josephscott | http://kottke.org/12/04/kinect-star-wars-dance-party |
| 21:29.41 | josephscott | star wars is nearly dead to me now :-( |
| 21:30.33 | beandog | "I just felt the death of Star Wars. It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced." |
| 21:30.34 | beandog | lol |
| 21:40.03 | mahelious | its not Han Solo dancing that terrifies me...its his boy band backup dancers. wtf!? |
| 21:40.29 | Bikerdan | I think I just threw up in my mouth a little... |
| 21:40.52 | Bikerdan | What crowd where they going for exactly?... |
| 21:41.35 | DexterTheDragon | the crowd that play kinect |
| 21:41.54 | Bikerdan | Whatever developers participated in this project should be ashamed of themselves. |
| 21:43.18 | DexterTheDragon | the only people who play kinect play Dance Central, Dance Evolution, and Just Dance |
| 21:44.00 | Bikerdan | And they're raging starwars fans.... |
| 22:31.33 | beandog | http://www.kelvinwong.ca/2011/03/30/multiple-ssh-private-keys-identityfile/ |
| 22:31.35 | beandog | Okay that is awesome. |
| 22:31.41 | beandog | variable local and remote hostname. |
| 22:31.49 | beandog | er, remote user and host |
| 22:31.50 | beandog | freep |
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| 23:11.57 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: ping |
| 23:12.50 | TuxToaster | yo? |
| 23:12.53 | SunSparc | beandog: yep, that is good stuff. I use that for accessing different AWS accounts. |
| 23:13.01 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: Standard Fence was who we used |
| 23:13.09 | TuxToaster | ooh, haven't heard of them |
| 23:13.10 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: can't remember the price though |
| 23:13.20 | john_anderson | TuxToaster: but they were really good at getting back and answering questions |
| 23:13.28 | john_anderson | and they special ordered what we wanted and did a good job |
| 23:13.29 | TuxToaster | guessing it must not have been horrible or you probably would have remembered.. :P |
| 23:13.34 | john_anderson | oh for sure |
| 23:13.47 | TuxToaster | awesome, thanks for checking on it. I'll have to call them up |
| 23:13.53 | john_anderson | good luck |
| 23:16.12 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Muppets-Beaker-Face-Peruvian-Knit/dp/B005HWUPAQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_t_15 |
| 23:16.30 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:19.40 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 23:20.16 | herlo | beandog: a shame it's not eligible for prime shipping |
| 23:20.22 | herlo | I'd probably have bought it if it was |
| 23:20.23 | john_anderson | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/us/justices-approve-strip-searches-for-any-offense.html?_r=2&hp |
| 23:21.28 | herlo | oh, that'll get thrown out soon |
| 23:21.33 | beandog | http://www.thepuppetstore.com/Peg_Leg_Pirate_p/sp3902.htm |
| 23:21.40 | herlo | oh, maybe not :( |
| 23:21.56 | john_anderson | I'm moving to another country. |
| 23:22.09 | beandog | in soviet russia, other country moves to you! |
| 23:22.34 | herlo | john_anderson: not sure why, do you plan to be arrested soon? |
| 23:22.51 | beandog | he should be arrested for being unpatriotic |
| 23:22.51 | john_anderson | Yes. |
| 23:22.58 | herlo | heh |
| 23:23.04 | herlo | john_anderson: for what, per se? |
| 23:23.14 | herlo | something wrong you did, perhaps? or will do? |
| 23:23.14 | john_anderson | Protesting stupidity like this. |
| 23:23.18 | herlo | lol |
| 23:23.33 | john_anderson | This is insanity. |
| 23:23.43 | herlo | john_anderson: I don't suspect you'll be strip searched when arrested for protesting. Possibly, though. |
| 23:23.47 | john_anderson | “people detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals.” |
| 23:24.02 | herlo | albeit, you are outraged about something that looks to me to have been a very hard decision |
| 23:24.27 | herlo | others would be outraged in the opposite direction |
| 23:24.47 | john_anderson | I don't understand how this is a hard decision. |
| 23:24.50 | john_anderson | I honestly don't. |
| 23:26.55 | beandog | that's why you're going to jail |
| 23:26.59 | beandog | rebel scum |
| 23:27.36 | herlo | john_anderson: I am saying that it was a 5-4 decision. I can see it being a difficult decision because it both protects the correctional officers and seems anti-human rights at the same time. |
| 23:28.07 | john_anderson | this isn't just for prisons |
| 23:28.11 | herlo | The procedures endorsed by the majority are forbidden by statute in at least 10 states and are at odds with the policies of federal authorities. <-- I did like this line though.. |
| 23:28.11 | john_anderson | this is for arrests of any sort |
| 23:28.14 | herlo | john_anderson: I know, I read that |
| 23:28.31 | herlo | john_anderson: I'm just using my brother's point of view as a comparison to yours |
| 23:28.54 | herlo | I was in fact, not stating anything about the prison, other than my brother works in the industry |
| 23:29.10 | herlo | and it applies to all jailers, whether they be federal, state, county or city |
| 23:30.47 | john_anderson | I don't think I even care about the opposing viewpoint. Seems like we the people need more protection than the police nowadays anyway. |
| 23:31.08 | john_anderson | This slope keeps getting slipperier and slipperier. |
| 23:31.26 | herlo | john_anderson: and that seems to me to be a logical fallacy on your part |
| 23:32.16 | john_anderson | how so? |
| 23:33.00 | herlo | so, I stated previously it seemed like a hard decision, you claim that it would not be. Without considering the alternate viewpoint, you would be saying that only your viewpoint matters, which is in fact, untrue. |
| 23:34.24 | herlo | but having this discussion at all seems to me that many people think like you, though I do not. I'm on the fence about the whole thing as I would like to see my brother protected from would-be troublemakers. I'm also not saying this is the most correct process for doing so, nor do I have a better option. |
| 23:34.52 | john_anderson | Every opposing viewpoint doesn't need to be considered in order to establish validity. |
| 23:34.56 | john_anderson | If it did, nothing would be true. |
| 23:35.20 | herlo | that is not what i was suggesting. I was suggesting that you said other viewpoints don't matter. Rather, they do. |
| 23:35.34 | herlo | but if that's not what you said, I digress |
| 23:35.42 | john_anderson | I think cops should be strip-searched before being allowed to interact with me. I can document cases of police brutality and abuse. Such a measure would help keep people safe. |
| 23:36.21 | herlo | and thus, the reason I believe it was a hard decision |
| 23:36.27 | john_anderson | It's this kind of guilty until established as innocent, dangerous until proven safe broad brush that causes all this horrific policy to be born. |
| 23:36.40 | herlo | you have the alleged criminal and the possibility of abuse of power |
| 23:37.20 | herlo | there has to be some sort of balance. I think you are correct in your concern, I don't know that it needs to be to the level of protest. |
| 23:37.50 | john_anderson | I totally agree - strip searching for ANY offense has no semblance of balance. |
| 23:37.59 | herlo | Write your congressman, the supreme court, others whom you think might help repeal such a law. The court is only the first step into proving whether this law will stand. |
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| 23:39.41 | herlo | so I guess the problem I have with your statement is that in many cases, these people need to be interviewed and thus someone has to do the interviewing. I am not sure whether strip searching them is the right approach, but maybe there's evidence to support that it provides a safer environment for everyone involved. |
| 23:40.02 | john_anderson | Oh no question its safer. |
| 23:40.24 | john_anderson | It'd be even more safer if we just immediately sedated those being arrested. |
| 23:40.35 | john_anderson | That'd completely protect everyone, right? |
| 23:40.41 | herlo | but like I said, when a supposed criminal is strip searched and they decide to file a lawsuit against the federal government, then we'll find out how constitutional it really is, I guess. |
| 23:40.54 | john_anderson | herlo: that's what this is the result of |
| 23:41.01 | john_anderson | this is a SCOTUS ruling |
| 23:41.14 | herlo | SC is ? |
| 23:41.23 | john_anderson | supreme court |
| 23:41.27 | herlo | I know what OTUS is |
| 23:41.29 | herlo | ahh |
| 23:41.59 | john_anderson | ugh. |
| 23:41.59 | herlo | john_anderson: that doesn't mean that there won't be further lawsuits which challenge the level at which this may occur |
| 23:42.11 | john_anderson | I gotta go home |
| 23:42.15 | john_anderson | and take a nap or something |
| 23:42.19 | john_anderson | and apply to be an astronaut |
| 23:42.29 | john_anderson | herlo: I appreciate your thoughts |
| 23:42.35 | herlo | me too |
| 23:42.38 | herlo | time for bye-bye |