| 00:18.05 | SunSparc | tierra: I have a random username generator you could use, but you may never remember your username. :) |
| 00:39.36 | SunSparc | ~nickometer tierra |
| 00:40.16 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 00:40.16 | ibot | steals supernovia's mojo |
| 00:40.18 | SunSparc | $rlart |
| 00:40.19 | raifbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks jsmith-away over. |
| 00:41.49 | SunSparc | Jalapeno flavor, I hope. ;) |
| 00:42.29 | supernovia | You know, I actually realized I needed to use my BB cauliflower up, so I made soup tonight instead |
| 00:42.47 | supernovia | cheddar cauliflower soup with rosemary, and biscuits |
| 00:43.23 | supernovia | I'm just cleaning out the blender now so we can make frosting for the cupcakes. :) |
| 00:43.46 | SunSparc | Good call. Though you could always put jalapeno in the soup. |
| 00:44.53 | supernovia | Not if Mary will have anything to do with it. But we can put jalapeno on the side with the nachos, tomorrow perhaps :) |
| 00:45.09 | herlo | w00t! jalepeno nachos! |
| 00:45.26 | herlo | s/le/la/ |
| 00:45.36 | SunSparc | Maybe ease her into the spicy goodness by sneaking one small slice in here and there. |
| 00:45.53 | supernovia | Yup, we put a little in the nacho sauce so she doesn't know it's there. With her the trick is hiding it |
| 00:46.05 | supernovia | and gradually kicking the heat up |
| 00:46.12 | herlo | lol |
| 00:46.31 | herlo | I think I know where to find some, actually |
| 00:46.38 | supernovia | in seatlle herlo? try … that .. italian place |
| 00:46.49 | supernovia | dang I can't remember the name. De Nunzios? De nuzios? |
| 00:46.59 | supernovia | tis good |
| 00:47.03 | supernovia | alright, I'm out |
| 00:47.11 | herlo | SunSparc: I'm downtown, is there one there? |
| 00:47.31 | herlo | s/SunSparc/supernovia/ |
| 00:47.39 | supernovia | it's by pioneer square |
| 00:48.02 | supernovia | very authentic, according to the girl in our designer group who was raised by italians |
| 00:48.19 | supernovia | alrights, I'm out now for reals. have a fun night all! |
| 00:48.24 | herlo | kk |
| 00:48.26 | herlo | thx |
| 00:48.38 | herlo | hmm, says it's closed |
| 00:49.41 | SunSparc | Bummer |
| 00:49.55 | SunSparc | ibot, give herlo some super nachos |
| 00:49.56 | ibot | ACTION gives some super nachos to herlo |
| 00:51.08 | SunSparc | ibot nachos actually use cheese flavored hydrolic robot fluid that has congealed. Looks about the same. Taste is a bit off though. |
| 00:51.08 | ibot | that's too long, SunSparc |
| 00:51.49 | SunSparc | ibot: Oh, I know. |
| 00:51.49 | ibot | You know.? |
| 00:51.56 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:52.03 | SunSparc | But you do not. |
| 00:52.51 | herlo | ooh, yummy |
| 00:52.54 | supernothere | sunsparc have you made nacho cheese in the blender? |
| 00:52.58 | supernothere | cause you can, and it's good :) |
| 00:53.18 | herlo | ooh, yummy |
| 00:53.20 | SunSparc | Whoa! supernothere's computer is talking to me. |
| 00:53.34 | supernothere | I knows, right? I came back to print out the frosting recipe again |
| 00:53.37 | SunSparc | supernothere: no, I have not. Just cheese and milk? |
| 00:54.42 | supernothere | I use chunks of cheese, sour cream, water, salt, red pepper flakes, jalapeno, and a smidgen of corn starch to keep it smooth |
| 00:54.55 | supernothere | blend til it's hot :) |
| 00:55.03 | herlo | how much is a smidgen? |
| 00:55.05 | SunSparc | MMmm.... |
| 00:55.34 | SunSparc | herlo: just a bit more than a tad |
| 00:55.36 | herlo | is that less than a dash and more than a pinch? |
| 00:55.46 | herlo | SunSparc: haha |
| 00:55.48 | supernothere | I have bad luck if I cook with measuring spoons |
| 00:56.00 | SunSparc | lol |
| 00:56.27 | SunSparc | Let me guess, they melt when you put them in the oven. |
| 00:56.34 | supernothere | lol |
| 00:56.44 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:56.58 | supernothere | I just do better if I eyeball the measurements. It's how I learned to cook :) |
| 00:57.12 | supernothere | When I try to get all perfect and measure everything, I screw up _Every Time_ |
| 00:57.17 | SunSparc | Go with what you know. |
| 00:58.01 | supernothere | if I had to guess, though, 4oz cheese (in 4 chunks), + 4oz water, plus a spoonful of sour cream, and about half a tablespoon of corn starch? Plus enough salt, pepper, and other seasonings to make it the way you like it |
| 00:58.33 | SunSparc | corn starch to keep it all together, nice |
| 00:59.12 | supernothere | there are a ton of recipes online, but that's how we roll |
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| 14:15.08 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 14:15.08 | raifbot | beats utahcon senseless with a 50lb Unix manual. |
| 14:15.10 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 14:15.10 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down jnbek's throat until jnbek puts on 150lbs |
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| 14:40.58 | hhatfield | ~cricket |
| 14:40.59 | ibot | System for monitoring trends in time-series data. URL: http://www.munitions.com/~jra/cricket/ |
| 14:41.14 | hhatfield | ~crickets |
| 14:41.14 | ibot | ACTION chirps uninterestedly |
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| 15:14.49 | carmony | good morning |
| 15:15.40 | Monnok | mornin |
| 15:16.01 | hhatfield | ~hail the new day |
| 15:16.01 | ibot | ACTION bows down to the new day and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:25.42 | mgeary | well |
| 15:26.07 | mgeary | my boy won 1st prize in the Comp. Sci./Engineering category at the Central Utah Science & Engineering Fair last night. Woot! |
| 15:26.28 | mgeary | he was nominated to apply for the national fair in DC |
| 15:26.42 | hhatfield | gratz! |
| 15:26.47 | hhatfield | ~praise son of mgeary |
| 15:26.47 | ibot | All hail son of mgeary! |
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| 15:28.19 | herlo | mgeary: DC is great to visit! |
| 15:28.34 | herlo | mgeary: I assume this was Jackson? |
| 15:28.39 | mgeary | he'd get an expense-paid trip if he is accepted. Yes, it was Jackson |
| 15:28.50 | herlo | congrats to Jackson! |
| 15:33.44 | hhatfield | ~praise Jackson |
| 15:33.44 | ibot | All hail Jackson! |
| 15:37.52 | mgeary | we were rather surprised, frankly |
| 15:38.00 | mgeary | there were some pretty high-end projects there |
| 15:38.11 | mgeary | i tell myself he must have closed the deal in the judges interviews |
| 15:39.58 | carmony | what was his project/ |
| 15:42.06 | mgeary | it was an attempt to determine if computer-generated random numbers are as random as real-world-generated random numbers |
| 15:43.26 | mgeary | but, as you might imagine, the empirical results were basically, "while we've learned that if you can discover the seed, you can predict the entire sequence of random numbers, in practice, computer-generated random numbers appear to be random enough for most purposes" |
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| 15:51.52 | clintberry | ping mindjuju |
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| 16:13.21 | mindjuju | ~apb clintberry |
| 16:13.21 | ibot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to find clintberry |
| 16:13.25 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 16:13.25 | ibot | ACTION summons Beth to spray mace at herlo |
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| 16:14.02 | cedwards | mornin' |
| 16:14.18 | herlo | mindjuju: hello sir |
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| 16:28.37 | carmony | selling your house stinks |
| 16:28.37 | carmony | :P |
| 16:29.11 | herlo | carmony: eh, it's just as bad buying |
| 16:29.16 | carmony | naw |
| 16:29.21 | carmony | buying I feel more in control |
| 16:29.29 | carmony | I hate getting the house ready for people to come through |
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| 16:29.43 | herlo | yeah, I was wondering if that is what you were going to say :) |
| 16:30.00 | herlo | beyond that, if someone makes an offer, you can decline it or counter. You have more control there... |
| 16:30.06 | herlo | there is the waiting I guess. |
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| 16:36.06 | mindjuju | ~apb josePHPagoda |
| 16:36.06 | ibot | ACTION summons baby Lyssa to spray mace at josePHPagoda |
| 16:37.11 | josePHPagoda | hi mindjuju |
| 16:37.15 | josePHPagoda | the mace was a bit excessive |
| 16:37.18 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 16:37.32 | mindjuju | :) , hey can we test out mumble at lunchtime? |
| 16:37.42 | josePHPagoda | uhm... probably |
| 16:37.54 | josePHPagoda | i don't forsee any problems with that |
| 16:38.00 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 16:38.21 | herlo | josePHPagoda: mace is never excessive, just ask the 99% :) |
| 16:38.44 | josePHPagoda | :P |
| 16:49.39 | carmony | whats mumble? :P |
| 16:54.18 | herlo | carmony: kind of like voip, but more flexible |
| 16:54.37 | carmony | nice |
| 16:54.41 | herlo | http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:55.15 | herlo | I can't remember the one that WoW nerds use. |
| 16:55.20 | herlo | but it's similar to that |
| 16:56.32 | cedwards | carmony: i'm selling my house as well. i hate when i have showings too. |
| 16:58.06 | fungus | most WoW people use Ventrillo |
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| 17:01.08 | fungus | carmony, it's a group voice chat program. More xbox live than skype |
| 17:03.59 | fungus | Mumble sounds a lot better than Ventrillo or Teamspeak |
| 17:04.37 | mgeary | hey, how would you do this using zip instead of gzip: cat foo | gzip > out.gz ? |
| 17:05.11 | fungus | zip out.zip foo |
| 17:05.29 | mgeary | well, but what if foo isn't a file? |
| 17:05.36 | mgeary | can i not pipe stuff into zip? |
| 17:05.43 | fungus | nope |
| 17:05.46 | mgeary | really?! |
| 17:05.56 | mgeary | the -h says this: |
| 17:05.58 | mgeary | If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout |
| 17:06.07 | mgeary | but i can't get it to work |
| 17:06.45 | mahelious | "If the file list is specified as -@, [Not on MacOS] zip takes the list of input files from standard input." |
| 17:07.29 | mgeary | well, what i really want to do is have this: mysqldump foo | gzip > out.gz produce an encrypted end file |
| 17:07.46 | mgeary | so my thinking was to replace gzip with zip -e |
| 17:07.58 | mgeary | i guess i can do it in two steps if i have to :S |
| 17:08.22 | fungus | mgeary, zip wasn't written with unix conventions in mind. It was written to be like pkzip from DOS days. |
| 17:08.44 | fungus | It can be used for stdin, but that makes decompression complicated. |
| 17:08.51 | mgeary | acknowledged. can you suggest an alternative? gzip can't use encryption, afaik |
| 17:08.57 | fungus | php |
| 17:09.00 | fungus | pgp |
| 17:09.45 | fungus | in fact gpg is usually installed by default most of the time. |
| 17:09.56 | mahelious | you could crypt the gzip, but i dont know how you would decrypt outside of *nix |
| 17:10.33 | mgeary | this is on nix |
| 17:10.54 | fungus | mgeary, once you get gpg setup it's as simple as: echo Hi | gzip | gpg -e > out.gz.gpg |
| 17:11.19 | mgeary | aha, ok |
| 17:11.32 | mgeary | and how do you specify the key/password? |
| 17:12.13 | fungus | That's part of the setup. You create your own Public key pair. |
| 17:12.44 | fungus | If it's intended for someone else to decrypt you need their public key |
| 17:12.59 | mgeary | nope. it's just to make more secure database backups |
| 17:13.13 | fungus | then using your own key is easy. |
| 17:14.12 | fungus | http://www.madboa.com/geek/gpg-quickstart/ |
| 17:14.29 | fungus | That's a pretty basic GPG primer. |
| 17:15.49 | herlo | ahh, gpg, you are awesome! |
| 17:16.16 | josephscott | $lart twitter's pull to refresh patent |
| 17:16.17 | raifbot | gives twitter's pull to refresh patent an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending twitter's pull to refresh patent to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple. |
| 17:19.18 | mgeary | $lart all dang software patents |
| 17:19.19 | raifbot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at all dang software patents. |
| 17:22.40 | mgeary | anyone know if the Mac GPGTools installs gpg on the command line for Macs? |
| 17:22.51 | mgeary | i want to test it locally before getting it going on the nix machine |
| 17:23.05 | mgeary | but don't want to hand-compile all the dependencies gpg appears to have |
| 17:24.17 | fungus | mgeary, doesn't your mac already have gpg installed by default. |
| 17:24.26 | mgeary | nope. your does? |
| 17:24.39 | fungus | it used to |
| 17:25.03 | fungus | i haven't looked in a few OS versions though |
| 17:26.11 | fungus | I would guess it does install the command line tools too. |
| 17:26.21 | mgeary | i'll know in 3 minutes |
| 17:35.31 | mgeary | confirmed |
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| 17:58.59 | cedwards | the UofU is going to have a couple part time (~8hrs/week @ night) teaching positions opening soon, one for PHP and another for MySQL. Who could I send details to to get it out to the group for potential interest? |
| 18:00.03 | herlo | there is a uphpu jobs list |
| 18:00.05 | josephscott | cedwards: uphpu jobs? http://uphpu.org/mailing-lists-and-irc/ |
| 18:11.41 | mgeary | hey fungus, i'm generating a key set in gpg, and it appears to be hanging at the prompt for the passphrase. I'm waiting for the "Enter passphrase:" prompt, but it never comes. Any thoughts? |
| 18:12.22 | mgeary | i then get: gpg: problem with the agent: Timeout |
| 18:15.49 | herlo | mgeary: either you need to start the gpg-agent or not use it |
| 18:16.02 | mgeary | ah, how do i not use it? |
| 18:16.05 | mgeary | why would i want to? |
| 18:16.10 | herlo | sometimes the gpg-agent is not started proprerly |
| 18:16.20 | herlo | the gpg-agent does caching of the keys similar to what ssh-agent does |
| 18:16.31 | herlo | er key passphrases |
| 18:17.08 | herlo | there is a flag in the gpg command, but I found it difficult to use. |
| 18:17.19 | herlo | What user are you trying to run the gpg --gen-key as? |
| 18:18.30 | mgeary | unix user? mgeary |
| 18:19.10 | mgeary | aha |
| 18:19.14 | mgeary | i see what's going on |
| 18:19.31 | herlo | did you su or sudo to that user? |
| 18:19.34 | mgeary | the Mac GPG package has a GUI "Pinentry" tool that it uses to collect the passphrase |
| 18:19.45 | mgeary | but i'm trying this on remotely, so i'm not seeing that popup |
| 18:19.50 | herlo | yes, that can cause it |
| 18:19.53 | herlo | ssh -X is your friend |
| 18:20.48 | mgeary | nah, still on a Mac here |
| 18:20.52 | mgeary | no X11 |
| 18:21.00 | mgeary | so can i just disable the agent? |
| 18:21.00 | herlo | can't forward in any way? |
| 18:21.08 | mgeary | could VNC |
| 18:21.12 | herlo | there are ncurses agents |
| 18:21.26 | herlo | but I can never quite get it right when I try to disable the agent |
| 18:21.47 | herlo | maybe someone else knows it better, I tend to just try a hundred times until I get it right |
| 18:22.18 | herlo | I think gpg-agents are voodoo magic |
| 18:24.33 | mgeary | is it a bad idea to create keysets for the same "user" on different machines? should there be a universal key for "mgeary" across multiple machines? |
| 18:25.52 | herlo | not necessarily. It's really more about keeping the private key secure. |
| 18:26.43 | herlo | a lot of times what I do is create one key, and add my emails to it that I know I will be using in a small set of my machines. Usually by role, like I have one for personal, business, goose project, fedora, etc. |
| 18:27.00 | herlo | but with business I have 4 or 5 different emails that I put with one key |
| 18:27.38 | herlo | it's really a preference thing there. I only really concern myself with the private key as it's the piece that invalidates your identity wrt gpg |
| 18:27.39 | mgeary | well, what i'm really only currently looking to do is encrypt database dumps and be able to decrypt them from other machines in the future |
| 18:27.48 | herlo | yeah |
| 18:27.55 | herlo | so what I would do in that case is this |
| 18:28.01 | herlo | I'd setup a gpg key for each of my dbs |
| 18:28.18 | herlo | then encrypt the message appropriate for db A with its public key |
| 18:28.22 | herlo | send it to db a |
| 18:28.33 | herlo | and then have db A decrypt it with the private key held only on the db |
| 18:28.53 | herlo | it's possibly to do that for all of them with one key, you just have to copy the .gnupg directory over to the right place |
| 18:29.16 | herlo | of course, db A would have to be able to decrypt the message, and will need to provide a passphrase to do so |
| 18:41.31 | mgeary | well, we don't need automatic decryption |
| 18:41.44 | mgeary | it's just so that the backups are safe, even if stolen |
| 18:41.59 | mgeary | we do nightly mysqldumps |
| 18:42.08 | mgeary | just need them safer |
| 18:43.47 | mgeary | okay, so tell me this, herlo |
| 18:44.08 | herlo | mgeary: ahh |
| 18:45.04 | mgeary | i've now got gpg set up on a server with my public & private keys (copied the .gnupg directory from local machine to the server. However, the database dumps are created by root. How do i best give root access to my public key so it can encrypt the files such that i can decrypt them? |
| 18:45.33 | herlo | put it in /root/.gnupg ?? |
| 18:45.45 | herlo | oh, your public key? |
| 18:45.52 | mgeary | that's all it would need, no? |
| 18:45.56 | herlo | there are a few ways to do that |
| 18:46.03 | mgeary | it encrypts with the public key, and i decrypt with my private key |
| 18:46.08 | herlo | well, it depends on what you are trying to do... |
| 18:46.13 | herlo | mgeary: indeed, that is correct |
| 18:46.20 | mgeary | just tryin' to get these backups encrypted ;) |
| 18:46.20 | herlo | if that's the way you want it to work, that is easy |
| 18:46.49 | herlo | you can export the public key to each of the servers |
| 18:47.04 | herlo | well, you only export once, and then each server can import that exported key |
| 18:47.11 | herlo | something like this |
| 18:47.17 | mgeary | is that like installing a ssh authorized key? |
| 18:47.47 | herlo | gpg --armor --export KEYID |
| 18:48.01 | herlo | do that on your local box to get the key exported |
| 18:48.04 | herlo | you may also want to do |
| 18:48.12 | mgeary | where KEYID is what? |
| 18:48.14 | herlo | gpg --armor --export KEYID > GPG-KEY-mgeary |
| 18:48.17 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:48.21 | mgeary | that's a literal |
| 18:48.26 | herlo | you get key id from gpg --list-keys |
| 18:48.36 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:48.39 | herlo | let me show you mine |
| 18:49.08 | mgeary | looks like i can use my email |
| 18:49.10 | herlo | http://fpaste.org/hK6s/ |
| 18:49.15 | herlo | mgeary: or your name |
| 18:49.25 | mgeary | right |
| 18:49.28 | herlo | but to be unique, you want to use the actual KEyID |
| 18:49.45 | herlo | mine is this '62A2258E ' |
| 18:49.50 | mgeary | ok, so now i need to put that file/data where on the server? |
| 18:49.53 | herlo | it's on line 2 of my paste |
| 18:50.09 | herlo | once exported, you can thenm put the file anywhere on the server |
| 18:50.22 | herlo | then you import it as the user you would like to use the key with |
| 18:50.29 | herlo | gpg --import KEYID (iirc) |
| 18:50.53 | herlo | oops, I mean filename |
| 18:50.59 | mgeary | but that needs to be imported as root? |
| 18:51.03 | herlo | gpg --import /path/to/key.asc or whatever |
| 18:51.09 | mgeary | or do i just give that key to the gpg command when encrypting the data? |
| 18:51.15 | herlo | whoever will be doing the encrypting, yes |
| 18:51.36 | herlo | you could do it that way as well, but it requires more on the command line. |
| 18:52.08 | mgeary | ok, so i've imported that as root |
| 18:52.12 | mgeary | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 18:52.16 | mgeary | gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1) |
| 18:52.58 | mgeary | so now i just use -r michael.geary@treelinegroup.com in my gpg command, and it will use that public key, yes? |
| 18:53.21 | herlo | sort of |
| 18:53.34 | herlo | I would make sure to redirect the output |
| 18:53.41 | mgeary | well, yeah |
| 18:54.02 | mgeary | hmm |
| 18:54.07 | mgeary | okay, so that works, but i get this warning: |
| 18:54.17 | mgeary | It is NOT certain that the key belongs to the person named in the user ID... |
| 18:54.28 | mgeary | why is that happening? |
| 18:54.36 | herlo | so I did this |
| 18:54.37 | herlo | gpg --encrypt -r 62A2258E < ntp.spec > ntp.spec.gpg |
| 18:54.48 | herlo | to encrypt |
| 18:54.51 | herlo | then I did |
| 18:55.01 | herlo | gpg --decrypt ntp.spec.gpg to decrypt |
| 18:55.14 | herlo | of course, if you want the resulting file, you'll need to do |
| 18:55.26 | herlo | gpg --decrypt ntp.spec.gpg > /path/to/decrypted/file |
| 18:55.37 | mgeary | well, i'm doing this as root (just to test): ls -al | gpg -e -r michael.geary@treelinegroup.com > foo.gpg |
| 18:55.48 | mgeary | and it works, but it gives me this warning before it proceeds |
| 18:55.57 | herlo | do you have to hit enter? |
| 18:56.05 | fungus | mgeary, that's the trust warning |
| 18:56.07 | mgeary | i have to hit "y<enter>" |
| 18:56.17 | mgeary | why am i getting it, and how do i not have it come up? |
| 18:56.19 | herlo | the reason for that is that you haven't signed the users'skey |
| 18:56.31 | herlo | as funcgus said, it's a trust thing |
| 18:56.38 | herlo | s/cg/g/ |
| 18:56.57 | fungus | mgeary, run: gpg --update-trustdb |
| 18:57.01 | herlo | part of it is that your root user doesn't have a gpg key at all. |
| 18:57.04 | fungus | then flag that key as trusted |
| 18:57.10 | mgeary | herlo: correct |
| 18:57.18 | mgeary | i didn't bother generating one as root |
| 18:57.19 | herlo | actually, I may be wrong about that |
| 18:57.36 | fungus | If you just flag it as trusted, you can skip the whole signing stuff |
| 18:57.41 | herlo | you may not need to generate one, gpg just needs to have a way of trusting it... |
| 18:57.57 | mgeary | fungus: run that as root? When i do it says, "gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found" |
| 18:58.11 | herlo | mgeary: that's fine |
| 18:58.12 | fungus | yes, run it as root |
| 18:58.33 | herlo | mgeary: you need to read up on trusts in gpg for sure, but it's not going to affect what you are doing atm |
| 18:58.33 | fungus | it's root's keychain you need to modify. |
| 18:58.42 | herlo | right |
| 18:59.01 | herlo | you need to tell root's keychain that you trust the other key you just imported |
| 18:59.33 | herlo | but it sounds like there is a nice way to avoid that, I've never done the --update-trustdb part |
| 18:59.51 | herlo | I like the idea of a WoT |
| 18:59.57 | herlo | Web of Trust |
| 19:00.18 | fungus | yes, signing is better. But for this one off scenario, just flagging it, is sufficient |
| 19:00.53 | herlo | indeed. no argument there |
| 19:01.20 | mgeary | aha. i got it working |
| 19:01.23 | mgeary | did this: gpg --edit-key michael.geary@treelinegroup.com |
| 19:01.32 | mgeary | selected it, and indicated "ultimate trust" |
| 19:01.38 | mgeary | now it encrypts without the prompt |
| 19:01.45 | fungus | yeah, that works too |
| 19:01.55 | mgeary | update-trustdb wasn't getting me anywhere |
| 19:02.25 | fungus | mgeary, shortcut to avoid needing the -r parameter. |
| 19:02.35 | fungus | .gnupg/gpg.conf default-key |
| 19:03.13 | fungus | or not default-key. I meant default-recipient |
| 19:06.05 | mgeary | okay, i've successfully encrypted on machine 1 and decrypted on machine 2 |
| 19:06.25 | mgeary | but i'd love to not have this GUI popup agent to collect my passphrase :S |
| 19:06.28 | fungus | See, now you have more control and better encryption than zip |
| 19:08.07 | fungus | mgeary, on your GUI machine, look in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 19:08.18 | fungus | Comment out the "use-agent" config option. |
| 19:08.44 | mgeary | "agent" doesn't appear in my gpg.conf file |
| 19:09.09 | herlo | fungus: I had that similar trouble |
| 19:09.16 | herlo | agent always kills me |
| 19:09.33 | herlo | there is a cli pinentry iirc, but I can never seem to get it to work. |
| 19:09.37 | fungus | stop the gpg agent program? remove the GPG_AGENT_INFO environment variable? |
| 19:10.00 | herlo | then it just times out waiting for a passphrase that cannot be entered |
| 19:10.10 | herlo | at least that's my experience |
| 19:10.10 | fungus | really? hmm. |
| 19:10.22 | herlo | maybe mgeary will have better luck |
| 19:10.35 | mgeary | yeah, maybe |
| 19:10.37 | herlo | lol |
| 19:10.47 | mgeary | no "agent" in my env |
| 19:11.09 | mgeary | i do see a running agent in ps |
| 19:11.16 | mgeary | you want me to kill it? |
| 19:11.24 | herlo | sure, why not :) |
| 19:11.32 | herlo | at leat you can try that |
| 19:11.35 | mgeary | cause i don't know if i'll be able to start it again ;) |
| 19:12.22 | herlo | can you restart the computer? |
| 19:12.40 | mgeary | well, quitting it just re-launched the agent when i tried to decrypt |
| 19:12.56 | mgeary | i guess i can live with it |
| 19:14.26 | herlo | do some digging |
| 19:14.33 | herlo | you'll probably find how to make it cli all the way |
| 19:17.19 | mgeary | yes. i'm sure i will |
| 19:17.56 | mgeary | looks like gpg2 always requires the agent |
| 19:18.04 | mgeary | though i'm not (intentionally) using gpg2 |
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| 19:38.29 | mgeary | does svnadmin dump include all the historical commits and such? complete backup? |
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| 19:40.04 | mgeary | apparently so |
| 19:43.43 | captbrogers | So last week my son (first one) was born, and my wife comments that he doesn't look anything like our daughters, but rather strikingly similar to me. I pulled a 'me gusta' face and thought, "It begins..." |
| 19:53.04 | ninnypants | captbrogers: so how many programming frameworks for children have you looked into so far ;) |
| 19:53.58 | captbrogers | A few...dozen. |
| 19:54.53 | captbrogers | Looking at getting an old university PC and putting a spin of Fedora on it for my kids with some programming tools and GIMP, see how well they work with it. But that will be years before I can actually do it. Do you know how hard it is to get a three year old to program? I tried... |
| 19:57.11 | ninnypants | captbrogers: have you looked at hackety hack? |
| 19:57.16 | captbrogers | No... |
| 19:57.34 | ninnypants | your girls might like it http://hackety.com/ |
| 19:57.51 | ninnypants | very "pretty" interface |
| 19:58.07 | captbrogers | Well I'm not sure now...Ruby? Really? |
| 19:58.46 | ninnypants | better than java |
| 19:59.13 | captbrogers | Then again, I promised myself I'd love them no matter what. If they choose not to be Mormon, if they choose a lifestyle I don't always agree with. But Ruby? I'm not sure I can stomach that, at least with Java they can do Android development |
| 19:59.50 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 19:59.50 | raifbot | cats /dev/urandom into clintberry's ear. |
| 20:00.28 | ninnypants | captbrogers: with ruby they can make web apps that work on all devices :) |
| 20:01.03 | captbrogers | I'm the Anti-Mac, remember? Ruby just feels too...shiny...for me. |
| 20:01.03 | captbrogers | :) |
| 20:01.28 | captbrogers | I may download it just to have something for them when they are ready. If they do Ruby that's fine, I'd just be estatic to have my kids programming |
| 20:02.08 | ninnypants | hey now this isn't RoR so it's not that shiny ;) |
| 20:02.43 | captbrogers | True, I do have beef with some people and RoR, but Ruby specifically I'm not against. In fact, I put Ruby on my server just so I can use SASS |
| 20:02.54 | ninnypants | captbrogers: that's what I'm thinking. It looks like a good starter program and they can move on to different things if they'd like |
| 20:04.49 | captbrogers | I'm thinking with my wife and I have two Androids, a "regular" phone, a tablet, two laptops, and a desktop between us my kids are bound to know something by the time they are in highschool. Heck, if my brother would have really been involved with me when I was in middle school, I could have had 3 years of experience in C++ when I graduated |
| 20:06.13 | captbrogers | He started me on it but never really helped me keep up with it, I didn't know where to learn more or what to program so it fizzled out. So I figure that if I start my kids early but really be a mentor for them, they may know something really well and be able to get a decent job without any college. |
| 20:11.01 | ninnypants | makes a lot of sense |
| 20:11.30 | ninnypants | hackety hack is actually kind of interesting I haven't played with it before now |
| 20:15.38 | captbrogers | Who knows, maybe I'll pick up Ruby |
| 20:16.20 | ninnypants | I've been meaning to I hear it has a good community |
| 20:16.33 | ninnypants | though I'll probably pick up python first |
| 20:16.45 | ninnypants | I want to be able to write plugins for Sublime Text |
| 20:17.35 | captbrogers | I get mixed feelings on it, maybe it was just that it was still new but when I tried to learn it I didn't get much help. I felt like I was pushed into the deep end of a pool then told to stop drowning so much. With PHP, even though there wasn't much documentation on it there were enough tutorials that I felt like I could play in the kiddie pool before jumping into the deep end |
| 20:18.20 | captbrogers | Granted I tried about five years ago |
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| 20:40.22 | hhatfield_ | ~rlart |
| 20:40.23 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats djedi until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 20:40.46 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 20:40.47 | raifbot | Chuck Norris hears sign language |
| 20:42.02 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 20:42.02 | djedi | ibot: wat? |
| 20:42.03 | ibot | wat is, like, the linuxargs line? |
| 20:42.03 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Clear 59f / 15c Humidity: 25% Wind: SW at 23 mph |
| 20:44.43 | herlo | ibot: wat is also https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
| 20:44.43 | ibot | herlo: okay |
| 20:44.48 | herlo | ~wat |
| 20:44.48 | ibot | i guess wat is the linuxargs line?, or https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
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| 21:31.53 | hhatfield | ~say $lart chuck norris |
| 21:31.53 | ibot | $lart chuck norris |
| 21:31.54 | raifbot | ibot are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 21:32.08 | hhatfield | $suicide |
| 21:32.13 | hhatfield | ~suicide |
| 21:32.13 | ibot | ACTION kills herself Juliet style, after seeing hhatfield commit suicide |
| 21:32.34 | hhatfield | $8ball in a battle of the bots, would ibot win? |
| 21:32.34 | raifbot | hhatfield - It is certain. |
| 21:32.47 | hhatfield | ~praise me |
| 21:32.47 | ibot | All hail hhatfield! |
| 21:33.01 | hhatfield | no… ~praise me, myself and I. |
| 21:33.07 | hhatfield | ~dang it |
| 21:33.12 | hhatfield | ~stupid bot |
| 21:33.12 | ibot | Stupid human. |
| 21:33.29 | hhatfield | ~reboot |
| 21:33.30 | ibot | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 21:36.53 | mahelious | thank you herlo, now everyone in the office is looking at me like im crazy |
| 21:37.02 | mahelious | "watman!" |
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| 21:49.29 | herlo | mahelious: what did I do? |
| 21:49.59 | mahelious | heh |
| 21:50.08 | herlo | mahelious: admit it, that talk is *awesome*! |
| 21:51.01 | mahelious | it's fantastic. i lost it when he goes ".join('wat' - 1)" |
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| 21:54.56 | herlo | lol |
| 21:55.03 | herlo | so many tricks, so little time |
| 22:07.25 | carmony | anyone here played Mass Effect 3? |
| 22:07.51 | Monnok | yeah |
| 22:08.06 | Monnok | just on xbox though |
| 22:10.04 | Monnok | carmony: why? |
| 22:19.43 | carmony | Monnok: have you beaten it yet? |
| 22:20.20 | fungus | is that a no? |
| 22:21.42 | mahelious | huh. new version of chrome today |
| 22:24.57 | fungus | i don't ever notice new chrome versions. |
| 22:25.16 | fungus | I'm running 19.0.1077.3 dev |
| 22:26.43 | carmony | lol |
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| 23:03.14 | hhatfield | carmony: were you disappointed w/ the ME 3 ending? |
| 23:10.26 | carmony | hhatfield: yeah :P |
| 23:18.24 | ninnypants | http://us3.php.net/date_sunrise |
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