| 00:03.40 | supernovia | I know right, @TuxToaster ? |
| 00:03.56 | supernovia | derp, I suppose I don't need the @ here. |
| 00:04.17 | herlo | supernovia: that's okay, mindjuju did that for months |
| 00:04.38 | supernovia | mindjuju is rad. |
| 00:06.07 | TuxToaster | supernovia: lol |
| 00:07.04 | TuxToaster | btw, awesome video earlier |
| 00:07.30 | herlo | supernovia: so that must mean you are trying to be rad :) |
| 00:07.57 | supernovia | there is no try |
| 00:08.07 | supernovia | thanks TuxToaster :) |
| 00:09.30 | mindjuju | geek lunch in the SLC sounds like good times |
| 00:10.46 | supernovia | I think so too. :) |
| 00:10.58 | supernovia | next Friday maybe? |
| 00:11.19 | herlo | mindjuju: I'd be up for a Friday Geek Lunch soon |
| 00:11.37 | supernovia | $8ball should we have a geek lunch? |
| 00:11.37 | raifbot | supernovia - Better not tell you now. |
| 00:11.58 | herlo | $8ball should we have a geek lunch? |
| 00:11.59 | raifbot | herlo - Most likely. |
| 00:12.03 | herlo | YAY! |
| 00:12.15 | mindjuju | sorry, people are getting angry about recursion |
| 00:13.48 | mindjuju | darn it, missed q on recursion |
| 00:14.02 | mindjuju | velda, let me know where / when you want |
| 00:14.02 | herlo | way2go |
| 00:14.18 | supernovia | sorry mindjuju :) |
| 00:14.26 | TuxToaster | while (1==1) { mindjuju(); } |
| 00:14.26 | mindjuju | i can do provo, we actually had about 20 people show up at 5guys |
| 00:14.33 | supernovia | oh yeah? |
| 00:14.43 | mindjuju | yeah, mgeary even bought me a burger |
| 00:14.58 | herlo | nice |
| 00:14.59 | mindjuju | though i think this time, we'd do hot pots |
| 00:15.05 | supernovia | I was trying to think of a place midway that is good food, allows for casual drop-ins, and isn't too loud |
| 00:15.10 | mgeary | looks, even |
| 00:15.12 | mindjuju | dood, mgeary rocks the casbah1 |
| 00:15.15 | TuxToaster | wait, that wasn't recursive. :/ |
| 00:15.24 | supernovia | lol TuxToaster |
| 00:15.28 | herlo | mindjuju: where are hot pots in Provo? There are some good ones around |
| 00:15.47 | herlo | in slc, park city, that is |
| 00:15.56 | mgeary | you're looking for good places to eat in Provo? |
| 00:15.57 | mindjuju | ints on university avenue, WAY good eats |
| 00:16.15 | TuxToaster | function mindjuju($rad) { |
| 00:16.16 | TuxToaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.16 | TuxToaster | } |
| 00:16.16 | mindjuju | ops, its not ints |
| 00:16.17 | JacobEdmondKerr | LOL function mindmeyou(){ for($i=0; $i<10; $i++;){ mindmeyou(); } } |
| 00:16.19 | TuxToaster | there we go |
| 00:16.35 | JacobEdmondKerr | that is infinite. |
| 00:16.54 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 00:17.16 | herlo | mindjuju: what is it called? |
| 00:17.30 | mgeary | Tucanos, Kneaders, Los Hermanos, La Dolce Vita, are some of my favorite restaurants in Provo, fwiw |
| 00:18.43 | mindjuju | herlo http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=hot+pot+provo,+utah&hl=en&cid=10154092384131438436 |
| 00:18.56 | mindjuju | that guy that runs it, he's from beijing and we spoke mandarin |
| 00:19.03 | mindjuju | it's AUTHENTIC |
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| 00:23.21 | herlo | mindjuju: seems pretty good. |
| 00:23.27 | herlo | mindjuju: are you an eater of dim sum? |
| 00:23.51 | mindjuju | course |
| 00:24.00 | mindjuju | lots of Korean resturants in China |
| 00:24.04 | mindjuju | :) yum |
| 00:25.40 | herlo | mindjuju: dim sum is korean? |
| 00:29.53 | mindjuju | you're right, it's chinese, but i thought it was Korean |
| 00:30.02 | herlo | ahh, okay |
| 00:30.12 | mindjuju | learn something new every day :) |
| 00:30.17 | herlo | whew. We went to a dim sum place in Chinatown while in San Francisco |
| 00:30.21 | herlo | pretty awesome |
| 00:32.49 | herlo | mindjuju: http://g.co/maps/hkm6r |
| 00:33.03 | herlo | there is one downtown SLC which is pretty nice |
| 00:35.36 | herlo | we could do for lunch, dim sum ends at 3pm iirc |
| 00:35.43 | herlo | http://www.hongkongteahouse.com/ |
| 00:36.16 | mindjuju | that could be yum |
| 00:36.35 | romanovic | how does hong kong tea house rate? |
| 00:43.31 | herlo | romanovic: decent, it was way better in San Fran, but that's because it's San Fran :) |
| 01:23.40 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 01:23.40 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can touch MC Hammer. |
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| 04:11.22 | carmony | $lart mindjuju |
| 04:11.22 | raifbot | blames mindjuju for all the evil in the world. |
| 04:11.31 | carmony | lol. :P |
| 04:15.46 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 04:15.47 | raifbot | In ancient China there is a legend that one day a child will be born from a dragon, grow to be a man, and vanquish evil from the land. That man is not Chuck Norris, because Chuck Norris killed that man |
| 04:16.30 | ninnypants | I wonder if his career as Walker Texas Ranger started after that |
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| 13:35.38 | raifbot | blasts uxp to oblivion with a kamehameha wave. |
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| 15:39.55 | wps_ | welcome to the Himalayas! |
| 15:43.18 | jsmith | wps: Are you sure this isn't the Alps? |
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| 15:46.01 | wps_ | no, not sure either |
| 15:46.23 | wps_ | except that it's spring! |
| 15:46.26 | wps_ | I'm planing my starts tonight |
| 15:46.44 | wps_ | s/planing/planting/ |
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| 15:57.34 | mahelious | "i don't always sell vps service, but when i do, i'm just reselling AWS"... |
| 15:58.24 | mahelious | have we figured out where to have the thursday night meeting? |
| 15:59.05 | herlo | mahelious: your house |
| 15:59.23 | eggyknap | mahelious: make sure to start thawing the steaks tonight. |
| 15:59.38 | eggyknap | ...so they're ready on time. And that coleslaw won't make itself. |
| 16:00.06 | mahelious | ok. my wife and her friends will be having a toenail painting party, but im sure you don't mind your steak only slightly tainted with acetone. |
| 16:00.13 | eggyknap | lol |
| 16:04.36 | carmony | good morning :) |
| 16:15.51 | macnewbold | right now, the feedback on the mail list is that thursday 3/29 works for people |
| 16:16.18 | macnewbold | mahelious can still bring steaks if he wants |
| 16:22.11 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 16:22.11 | raifbot | Chuck Norris did it his way and Sinatra sang about it. |
| 16:26.22 | mindjuju | ~lart chuck norris |
| 16:26.22 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down chuck norris's throat until chuck norris puts on 150lbs |
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| 16:28.45 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 16:28.45 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door. |
| 16:29.06 | josephscott | $8ball can chuck norris survive the donut attack? |
| 16:29.06 | raifbot | josephscott - Ask again later. |
| 16:29.11 | mindjuju | $lart chuck |
| 16:29.11 | raifbot | steals chuck's mojo. |
| 16:29.14 | josephscott | $8ball can chuck norris survive the donut attack? |
| 16:29.15 | raifbot | josephscott - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 16:29.19 | josephscott | $8ball can chuck norris survive the donut attack? |
| 16:29.19 | raifbot | josephscott - Very doubtful. |
| 16:29.24 | josephscott | :-( |
| 16:30.10 | mindjuju | i'm still mad at chuck for being stupid |
| 16:30.46 | josephscott | $8ball will mindjuju ever forgive chuck? |
| 16:30.46 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook not so good. |
| 16:31.00 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 16:31.48 | josephscott | $8ball do you have any clue about what we ask you? |
| 16:31.48 | raifbot | josephscott - Don't count on it. |
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| 17:10.45 | carmony | did you guys see that the PHP-SRC is now on github? :P |
| 17:13.35 | josephscott | yep |
| 17:13.47 | josephscott | curious to see how that goes |
| 17:14.06 | carmony | I hope to see a flood of pull-requests :P |
| 17:14.35 | josephscott | yeah, we'll see |
| 17:14.50 | josephscott | I'd like a pull request that adds support for named function args :-) |
| 17:14.52 | carmony | I dusted off my copy of Embedding & Extending PHP |
| 17:14.55 | carmony | lol |
| 17:15.10 | carmony | you could easily do a pecl extension ;) |
| 17:15.29 | carmony | but being a wordpress guy, that doesn't do you a whole lot of good. |
| 17:16.14 | josephscott | we've talked about doing a WordPress PHP extension |
| 17:16.27 | josephscott | the idea being to speed up the most intensive parts of the WP |
| 17:16.39 | josephscott | not enough interest to make it happen though |
| 17:19.21 | clintberry | josephscott: You were the one that taught be about named parameters, and now I am forever tainted. ;-) My co-worker next to me was showing me how it is done in c#. I am baffled the PHP devs don't want that in there |
| 17:19.31 | josephscott | besides, the last time I wrote C code was ages ago |
| 17:19.58 | josephscott | clintberry: I haven't seen how c# does it, but I love the way Python does it |
| 17:20.21 | clintberry | I would take it in any form now |
| 17:20.29 | josephscott | I think the issue was that it is a non-trivial amount of work to get them functional in PHP |
| 17:20.41 | carmony | yeah |
| 17:20.49 | josephscott | high impact changes are tricky, but the upside is huge for this feature |
| 17:24.49 | carmony | I've hacked something similar together for some JSON APIs using Reflection |
| 17:26.07 | josephscott | traits sort of resolve the MI issue, so I'd be willing to let that slide |
| 17:26.18 | josephscott | named parameters, python style, would be a huge win for PHP |
| 17:26.38 | mahelious | proper documentation and tooltips make named parameters redundant at best. |
| 17:26.38 | clintberry | C# uses a colon for named parameters e.g. name:value |
| 17:26.46 | clintberry | how does it work in Python? |
| 17:27.01 | carmony | the problem is you can't change defaults down the road |
| 17:27.13 | mahelious | id much rather see abbreviated syntax for property mutators. |
| 17:27.26 | josephscott | mahelious: not even close |
| 17:28.04 | josephscott | clintberry: python does key:value syntax as well, but it also understands positional args |
| 17:28.38 | josephscott | mahelious: the PHP compiler can't syntax check again proper docs and tooltips |
| 17:28.41 | clintberry | cool, that is how c# does it too, I guess. Positional if you don't put the names |
| 17:28.54 | josephscott | yep |
| 17:29.03 | carmony | in PHP it'd likely be user_func('var' => 'val', 'foo' => 'bar'); |
| 17:29.06 | josephscott | I really like that approach |
| 17:29.29 | josephscott | the python approach, not the example carmony just posted :-) |
| 17:29.29 | clintberry | carmony: Yeah, you are probably right. Keep the array syntax |
| 17:29.48 | clintberry | josephscott: I knew what you meant :-() |
| 17:30.03 | clintberry | is that an open mouth? funny typo |
| 17:30.06 | josephscott | perhaps, they've broken with that style for other things, but if that was what they went with, it would be better than what we have now |
| 17:30.33 | josephscott | but at this point I think the gold standard is named parameters that also grok position |
| 17:31.17 | josephscott | and PHP would be so late to that game that to do something less would still be a bit of a let down |
| 17:32.37 | clintberry | Yeah, they should one-up it with double named parameters... ;-) |
| 17:32.42 | carmony | josephscott: similar to what happened with closure's & the way scoping works with them |
| 17:33.17 | josephscott | $8ball with PHP ever have python style named + position parameter support? |
| 17:33.17 | raifbot | josephscott - Without a doubt. |
| 17:33.20 | josephscott | woot! |
| 17:34.52 | Monnok | thats a pretty open timeline though |
| 17:35.25 | Monnok | $8ball Will this support be within the next 3 years? |
| 17:35.25 | raifbot | Monnok - Ask again later. |
| 17:35.40 | Monnok | $8ball Will this support be within the next 3 years? |
| 17:35.40 | raifbot | Monnok - Yes. |
| 17:35.44 | Monnok | hmm, cool |
| 17:36.34 | clintberry | Somebody will add it and do a github pull request. It will be an awesome day. |
| 17:36.49 | josephscott | haha |
| 17:42.20 | fungus | clintberry, a pull request is just that... a request. It'll get denied. |
| 17:42.24 | fungus | again |
| 17:43.07 | josephscott | and there will be a great disturbance in the force, like a million PHP devs crying with agony, and then suddenly silenced |
| 17:43.19 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 17:44.16 | carmony | lol, I've thought someone should make a fork for PHP like Percona is for MySQL |
| 17:45.12 | clintberry | fungus: Why would they deny it if it worked well? |
| 17:45.53 | captbrogers | Hey, speaking of forks and MySQL. Does anyone use something other than the original MySQL from upstream on their server? I'm finding it's taking up a lot of resources and I am considering switching |
| 17:46.02 | fungus | Let me dig around. There was an official PHP dev response for the denial of the feature. |
| 17:46.15 | captbrogers | Started with MongoDB but I'd still like something that uses MySQL but on a smaller scale |
| 17:46.31 | josephscott | clintberry: fungus is right, it has been denied previously |
| 17:47.04 | fungus | http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html#named-parameters. |
| 17:47.22 | fungus | oops. remove the trailing period |
| 17:47.28 | clintberry | captbrogers: Carmony uses percona server. And he got me using it too. I like it. |
| 17:47.59 | carmony | Percona is awesome |
| 17:48.05 | carmony | helped me debug a problem the other day |
| 17:48.27 | clintberry | fungus: that sucks... and that was a crappy reason... |
| 17:48.55 | fungus | yeah, there was a more detailed explanation somewhere, can't find it right now though. |
| 17:48.56 | captbrogers | clintberry: thanks |
| 17:49.10 | clintberry | captbrogers: thank carmony, he has a good blog post on it |
| 17:49.45 | clintberry | http://www.justincarmony.com/blog/2011/10/24/setting-up-percona-server-5-5-on-ubuntu-10-04/ |
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| 17:54.21 | captbrogers | clintberry,carmony: thanks |
| 17:54.34 | clintberry | :-) |
| 17:54.42 | carmony | you're welcome :) |
| 17:55.28 | josephscott | if you were spinning up a new mysql server today I think Percona is a great option |
| 17:56.54 | josePHPagoda | so i'm about to git my scalability presentation to a php user group out in NC |
| 17:56.58 | josePHPagoda | anyone have any feedback? |
| 17:56.58 | captbrogers | I am just looking for a lightweight alternative |
| 18:07.12 | captbrogers | Troll them? |
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| 18:58.45 | carmony | Oh dear... my wife showed me this: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/dating-fails-dating-fails-harry-potter-was-something-of-a-voyeur.gif |
| 19:00.49 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 19:01.26 | clintberry | Is that during the credits? |
| 19:02.19 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:02.37 | carmony | and this is just cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4b2SV3ASUxY#! |
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| 19:08.38 | supernovia | carmony, that's super cool (the vortex cannon) |
| 19:09.04 | carmony | and, finally... I want to make one of these floppy drive musical things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q#! |
| 19:09.57 | supernovia | http://georgewhiteside.net/projects/diskette-organ/ <- how to |
| 19:12.10 | carmony | that would be the coolest project to do |
| 19:13.28 | clintberry | ha, good stuff |
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| 19:24.46 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 19:24.46 | raifbot | resizes influx's terminal to 40x24. |
| 19:26.59 | supernovia | So who is game for a geek lunch next Friday? |
| 19:30.10 | hhatfield | I could probably be in |
| 19:30.14 | hhatfield | if it's in slc |
| 19:33.44 | carmony | man, I need a helicopter to fly me around :P |
| 19:34.34 | fungus | Nope, just a matter-energy transporter. |
| 19:34.36 | supernovia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr_CJL1YQRc like this one |
| 19:35.03 | carmony | LOL |
| 19:35.33 | supernovia | A teleportation device would be nicer, of course. |
| 19:37.32 | herlo | ahh, teleportation, such a grand technology in its day... |
| 19:38.27 | herlo | ew, kelly services? |
| 19:38.55 | supernovia | I know, right. |
| 19:40.18 | beandog | whats that |
| 19:41.16 | mindjuju | beandog! |
| 19:41.19 | mindjuju | happy bday! |
| 19:41.27 | beandog | mindjuju: thanks mon :D |
| 19:41.38 | beandog | I'm boring years old today |
| 19:44.06 | supernovia | may this boringth year be your best yet |
| 19:44.19 | beandog | yay |
| 19:44.32 | mindjuju | actually beandog, FB has it posted how old you are ;) |
| 19:45.21 | supernovia | his twitter handle kinda gives it away too |
| 19:46.22 | beandog | yah |
| 19:46.37 | beandog | I'm 76 |
| 19:47.05 | herlo | beandog: nice! you is *boring* |
| 19:47.07 | herlo | and old |
| 19:47.10 | supernovia | lol |
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| 19:52.28 | beandog | okay |
| 19:52.33 | beandog | this floppy drive music thing is getting out of hand |
| 19:52.38 | beandog | plus it doesn't even sound good |
| 19:53.15 | beandog | I can't believe I watched another one |
| 19:53.55 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDab6JjXJg&feature=related |
| 19:53.55 | beandog | lol |
| 19:54.15 | beandog | cant ... stop ... watching |
| 19:54.40 | mindjuju | this is what happens if you let your kids join the House of Slytherin - http://news.yahoo.com/photos/entertainment-1316121777-slideshow/actor-jamie-waylett-arrives-westminster-magistrates-court-london-photo-162323038.html |
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| 20:03.06 | beandog | they look unhappy/ |
| 20:03.08 | beandog | ? |
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| 20:13.37 | josephscott | $lart spammers |
| 20:13.37 | raifbot | installs PocketPC on spammers's PDA. |
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| 20:39.30 | beandog | upstart is ... different |
| 20:49.08 | josephscott | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbgiOCTQts&feature=youtu.be&hd=1 |
| 20:50.28 | josephscott | $lart ie |
| 20:50.29 | raifbot | farts in ie's general direction. |
| 20:55.47 | Monnok | unbelievable |
| 20:57.01 | Monnok | no way he got over that, ie9's decent-ness cannot compensate for decades of incompetence of its predecessors |
| 20:57.51 | macnewbold | ~karma msie |
| 20:57.51 | ibot | msie has karma of -1 |
| 20:57.54 | macnewbold | ~karma ie |
| 20:57.54 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 20:57.56 | macnewbold | better |
| 20:58.10 | Monnok | ~karma ie9 |
| 20:58.10 | ibot | ie9 has neutral karma |
| 20:58.14 | Monnok | hmm |
| 20:58.14 | captbrogers | Well, that didn't feel like I should wear complete gray and fall in line while I tell myself that I'm unique and MS loves me. |
| 20:58.47 | macnewbold | ms doesn't love you, they just love your money |
| 20:58.55 | macnewbold | and since the love of money is the root of all evil, |
| 20:59.02 | macnewbold | ms is the root of all evil. qed |
| 20:59.20 | Monnok | idk, i think apple loves your money more |
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| 20:59.50 | captbrogers | I agree with Monnok |
| 21:00.10 | captbrogers | Comparitively, I think Apple likes you for your money far more than Microsoft |
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| 21:08.16 | macnewbold | i agree - apple loves our money too - not sure if I could say one of them loves it more, but one of them is definitely better at getting my money :) |
| 21:09.41 | josephscott | this is going to sound nuts, but in general I like giving Apple my money more that Microsoft |
| 21:10.09 | josephscott | I've lost too much sleep over trying to figure out just the right license option for Microsoft product to ever feel good about the final purchase |
| 21:11.14 | beandog | the right license option is the one where your company pays for it. |
| 21:11.42 | josephscott | even then, still a giant pain |
| 21:12.05 | josephscott | and working for a university just made it worse, because then there were an additional 3 dozen educational options |
| 21:13.13 | captbrogers | I haven't ever purchased an Apple product, I don't like the idea that once I buy something all of the recommended software to get for it comes at a price. I know it comes with it's own suite of tools, but additional text editors and what-not all come at a premium. And I really disagree with that business model |
| 21:13.29 | beandog | I think their UIs are a pain |
| 21:13.56 | captbrogers | I never really did get used to the left aligned window buttons and putting the menu in the top bar |
| 21:14.33 | captbrogers | And their hot-key scheme didn't make sense to me for a while |
| 21:14.47 | Monnok | same here captbrogers, i placed my window buttons on the left when i came back to ubuntu |
| 21:15.02 | captbrogers | Monnok, do you mean the right side? |
| 21:15.16 | josephscott | when I switched to a mac laptop as my primary machine years ago, I was worried about switching between Windows/Mac/Un*x all day, turned to much less of an issue than I had though |
| 21:15.17 | josephscott | thought |
| 21:15.41 | Monnok | the x_[] is on the top left for me |
| 21:15.58 | Monnok | that what you were referring to, right? |
| 21:16.03 | josephscott | but hey, I used WindowMaker on FreeBSD as my primary laptop machine, so go figure :-) |
| 21:16.15 | macnewbold | josephscott: that's how i felt |
| 21:16.20 | captbrogers | Monnok, yeah, bu I said I didn't like them on the left, I prefer it on the right. Force of habit I guess |
| 21:16.28 | macnewbold | but i feel quite at home on osx now |
| 21:16.36 | Monnok | ah... "never" |
| 21:16.43 | captbrogers | s/bu/but |
| 21:16.44 | macnewbold | i always have terminal windows open all over, so it feels like home |
| 21:16.46 | beandog | never say never again |
| 21:16.50 | josephscott | I spend so much of my time in a terminal window I don't think it matters too much |
| 21:17.18 | josephscott | yep, my standard setup is 9 terminal windows |
| 21:17.22 | beandog | 9?? |
| 21:17.25 | beandog | whut the whut |
| 21:17.47 | Monnok | i use 1 window, multiple tabs |
| 21:18.00 | beandog | o.O |
| 21:18.06 | beandog | Monnok: oh, yah, me too. |
| 21:18.08 | beandog | screen ftw |
| 21:18.15 | Monnok | that works too |
| 21:18.16 | beandog | multi-tab-shells |
| 21:18.17 | beandog | yay |
| 21:18.20 | josephscott | I never got into terminal tabs much |
| 21:18.44 | Monnok | its like browser tabs, easy transition |
| 21:18.45 | josephscott | 3 terminal windows for local stuff, 6 for remote stuff across various remote servers |
| 21:18.45 | macnewbold | i have usually 3-4 terminal windows, each with 1-4 tabs usually |
| 21:19.06 | macnewbold | i don't always like to take up the extra desktop space with another window, when really all i need is another tab |
| 21:19.15 | josephscott | combined with virtual desktops, I find it easier to group them with separate windows instead of tabs |
| 21:19.22 | macnewbold | similar to how i use my editor and my browser |
| 21:19.30 | macnewbold | yeah, thats how my tabs are grouped |
| 21:19.45 | josephscott | and not uncommon to have other stuff running in each session via screen instances on remote servers as well |
| 21:20.11 | macnewbold | one screen has editor+term, two have browser+term (one for work project and one for other), one has mail/cal+term, etc. |
| 21:20.14 | josephscott | the nice thing is having the flexibility for people to set it up in what ever way works best for them |
| 21:20.24 | macnewbold | ah, yes, with screen i can see why you wouldn't use tabs much |
| 21:20.26 | macnewbold | i don't use screen |
| 21:20.36 | macnewbold | but it's nice to have scrollback on each tab |
| 21:20.38 | josephscott | ~screen++ |
| 21:21.04 | macnewbold | tabs for me have lower overhead on restart, plus it's just the old habits thing |
| 21:21.28 | macnewbold | i do miss having my terminals stay open indefinitely though - back when my main box was a desktop machine, that was nice |
| 21:21.54 | macnewbold | but having my laptop be my main box is a bigger win now in almost every way |
| 21:21.57 | josephscott | laptop ftw |
| 21:23.22 | beandog | netbook > laptop |
| 21:23.23 | macnewbold | the only thing i miss is not having a "normal-sized" screen always. i tried the 17" mbp for ~9 months, and it was kinda nice, but i'm not sure it was worth the weight and bulk |
| 21:23.46 | josephscott | 15" has been the sweet spot for me, but I'm considering a 13" |
| 21:23.50 | macnewbold | the 15" is a nice balance for me - the screen works in a pinch when i'm really being mobile, and when i am really doing serious work, i plug in a 1080p monitor |
| 21:23.58 | macnewbold | yeah, i've thought about it too |
| 21:24.14 | captbrogers | I like the 17" ones, bulk and weight really don't matter to me much. It's much small and lighter than a desktop so I don't care |
| 21:24.26 | macnewbold | i'm to the point where i'm getting tired of carrying around a big laptop bag |
| 21:24.33 | josephscott | 17" on an airplane is not fun |
| 21:24.38 | captbrogers | I have a backpack |
| 21:24.41 | josephscott | 15" is barely acceptable on a plane |
| 21:24.44 | macnewbold | even 15" on a plane is awkward |
| 21:25.16 | macnewbold | it's cool that the word awkward looks and sounds like its definition |
| 21:25.36 | josephscott | :-) |
| 21:25.38 | beandog | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html |
| 21:25.42 | beandog | those are some cool special variables |
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| 21:34.59 | hhatfield | $lart licensing options |
| 21:34.59 | raifbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at licensing options. |
| 21:35.16 | hhatfield | ~lart network issues |
| 21:35.16 | ibot | executes killall -HUP network issues |
| 21:35.57 | Monnok | $lart Tuesday |
| 21:35.57 | raifbot | moos at Tuesday. |
| 21:38.52 | josephscott | ok, this is just strange - http://nodejsatmbic.eventbrite.com/ |
| 21:39.02 | josephscott | microsoft is running a Node.JS event? |
| 21:39.18 | mindjuju | anybody here play mass effect 3? |
| 21:40.21 | beandog | nope |
| 21:40.29 | beandog | I lost a cousin to that game. |
| 21:40.52 | mindjuju | looks like people have filed an FTC complaint against Mass Effect 3, apparently ending sucked - http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/outrage-over-mass-effect-3-ending-reaches-ftc-173411384.html |
| 21:41.01 | mindjuju | there might could be spoilers in that article, btw |
| 21:41.11 | beandog | an FTC complaint? |
| 21:41.11 | mindjuju | don't know, haven't played the ifrst one yet |
| 21:41.19 | mindjuju | you and me both beandog |
| 21:41.41 | mindjuju | i was like, what? really? is that like people calling 911 at burger king cause they didn't get catchup in the bag? |
| 21:41.56 | mindjuju | err, ketchup |
| 21:42.10 | mindjuju | hey, i've had a LONG day |
| 21:42.22 | mindjuju | but that was funny, catchup |
| 21:42.29 | beandog | that justifies leniency? |
| 21:42.32 | beandog | :) |
| 21:42.36 | beandog | ~hound mindjuju |
| 21:42.41 | mindjuju | you're birthday requires it! |
| 21:42.53 | beandog | \o/ |
| 21:42.58 | beandog | I bought 4 shirts on threadless and a ps3 game |
| 21:43.02 | beandog | I better stop. |
| 21:43.44 | mindjuju | beandog, you're going to hate me for doing this |
| 21:43.48 | mindjuju | but did you see this? |
| 21:43.48 | beandog | probably |
| 21:43.49 | mindjuju | http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Complete-Animated-Series/dp/B002DH20Q0/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1332279811&sr=1-1 |
| 21:43.55 | mindjuju | $7 |
| 21:44.10 | beandog | True. But that's the re-release under another company, which is known for sub-par quality. |
| 21:44.18 | mindjuju | i'm going to buy it myself, i loved the TV series |
| 21:44.22 | mindjuju | oh really? |
| 21:44.27 | mindjuju | :*( |
| 21:44.28 | beandog | Besides, I think I paid ... what, $20 for mine? |
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| 21:44.54 | beandog | mindjuju: if you want to come over to my house, I'll let you hold the box. |
| 21:45.03 | sjansen | Can anyone explain to me what the heck a use-at-will framework is? |
| 21:45.04 | mindjuju | that'd be cool |
| 21:45.19 | beandog | mindjuju: http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Complete-Animated-Series/dp/B001RUM3HU/ref=sr_1_10?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1332279879&sr=1-10 |
| 21:45.24 | beandog | only 1 left in stock |
| 21:45.26 | beandog | order today. |
| 21:45.31 | mindjuju | zoinks! |
| 21:45.35 | sjansen | Is that just Zend's marketing speak for micro framework, or does it really have unique characteristics? |
| 21:45.41 | beandog | complete with a Best Buy sticker |
| 21:46.03 | beandog | mindjuju: I'm just repeating what I've heard about the quality. Could be okay. I dunno. $6 though. Can't go wrong with that. :) |
| 21:46.09 | beandog | I paid $7 for my TV |
| 21:46.25 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:46.30 | clintberry | sjansen: It means you only use the pieces you want... |
| 21:46.35 | macnewbold | sjansen: imho, what "use-at-will" means in terms of zend framework is that you can use it where you want, but can still work outside of the framework, go around it, where it doesn't make sense |
| 21:47.04 | macnewbold | sjansen: a side-effect of that is that stuff is sometimes too loosely coupled |
| 21:47.35 | macnewbold | most uses of zend framework i've seen tend to not use it as a framework, but as something akin to pear/pecl, where they just grab a library or two |
| 21:47.55 | macnewbold | i've yet to see a good use of it as a framework in the same sense as one would use cakephp or symphony as a framework |
| 21:48.01 | mindjuju | as soon as this db restore finishes , i'm going home, have a ton of UTOS stuff to get done before tomorow apt with UVU and this time, i'm going to ask to run promo on their color billboard by the freeway |
| 21:48.14 | beandog | mindjuju: are you going back to school? |
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| 21:48.32 | mindjuju | o |
| 21:48.39 | mindjuju | i'm in school this semester |
| 21:48.45 | mindjuju | physics and c++ |
| 21:48.49 | beandog | wow |
| 21:48.58 | mindjuju | and i'm getting the h3ll beat out of me by phyics |
| 21:49.34 | mindjuju | i think i'd like it better if the TA wasn't such a punk |
| 21:49.56 | beandog | ~blame TA |
| 21:49.56 | ibot | ACTION blames TA (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 21:50.04 | captbrogers | Teachers make all the difference in the world. I didn't have a good time at UVU but SUU was so great for me |
| 21:50.07 | mindjuju | literally he spends the first 5 - 10 minutes of the lab reminding us of his opinion of how every other degree is a waste of time |
| 21:50.16 | mindjuju | except for physics |
| 21:50.42 | mindjuju | and that most degrees exist so that people that graduate with it can have a job scooping fries at BK |
| 21:50.51 | ninnypants | that makes sense what other degree could get you a job? |
| 21:51.04 | ninnypants | heh |
| 21:51.04 | beandog | home ec |
| 21:51.39 | captbrogers | The TA thinks this or the professor does? |
| 21:51.53 | mindjuju | the TA teaches the Physic lab |
| 21:52.00 | beandog | I wonder if schools still have home ec |
| 21:52.02 | mindjuju | the actual professor is pretty cool, if a bit old and senile |
| 21:53.03 | captbrogers | Wow. Reminds me of those kids I went to high school with that thought they were so much better and smarter than the rest of us. Their Liberal Arts degrees are working so well for them while they work at Wingers |
| 21:53.34 | beandog | hey now, don't knock liberal arts |
| 21:53.46 | beandog | If it werent for them, you wouldn't have any TV to watch |
| 21:54.04 | beandog | symbiotic relationships and all |
| 21:55.18 | captbrogers | Not saying it's bad, just using that there is one guy I had in mind who studied that with a focus is English Lit, used to constantly rant of Facebook about how stupid all of us conservaties were, that we needed to be educated, then he would complain that he didn't get much in tips the night before. All I could think is, "how's that degree and attitude working out for you?" |
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| 21:56.52 | beandog | English lit is awesome. I'd major in that if I had the time / money |
| 21:57.36 | mindjuju | that's funny, captbrogers, though i'm actually of a mind that one should go to school to learn how to learn and let hardwork take care of the rest. Having a skill / trade is a greatway to live in the interim :) |
| 21:57.52 | beandog | "the interim" |
| 21:57.55 | beandog | that's a nice way of putting it. |
| 21:58.40 | beandog | do you ever have one of those moments where you forget you're listening to music? |
| 21:59.04 | mindjuju | hmm, i don't think i have, i'm always listening to music |
| 21:59.05 | Monnok | i get the moments where i forget to turn it back on |
| 21:59.35 | captbrogers | I just bring it up because I've known some people like that, so high-minded and opinionated that they can't see a single flaw in themselves. Not saying the TA is that way, just that's the impression I get |
| 22:00.08 | beandog | there's people like that on all sides, though |
| 22:00.19 | mindjuju | nah captbrogers |
| 22:00.20 | beandog | high faluting poop tarts that need to be pushed off their horses into some snake pits |
| 22:00.28 | mindjuju | you've assessed him right |
| 22:00.31 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 22:00.33 | captbrogers | Thanks |
| 22:00.35 | beandog | oy |
| 22:00.37 | beandog | you guys are mean |
| 22:00.43 | captbrogers | beandog: I know there are many people from all walks of life like that |
| 22:00.55 | mindjuju | he's a smart man, he'll do the lecture presentation on the fly on the board, just writing up equations from memory |
| 22:01.05 | mindjuju | and he'll go about 15 minutes before he realizes, he's done it wrong |
| 22:01.06 | beandog | I got that BS growing up, so I'm an angry panda on that point. |
| 22:01.06 | captbrogers | And just as many that are kind and understanding |
| 22:01.19 | beandog | captbrogers: aye, aye |
| 22:01.21 | beandog | agreed |
| 22:01.25 | mindjuju | and hten, spend 5 minutes correcting the board while we all scramble to correct our notes |
| 22:01.29 | mindjuju | it's awful |
| 22:02.13 | eggyknap | My high school biology teacher told stories of an ambidextrous anatomy professor. He's draw a full-color diagram of the heart with one hand, and a legend, simultaneously, with the other. |
| 22:02.38 | mindjuju | that's pretty cool! |
| 22:02.53 | eggyknap | Or he'd write from the middle of the board out, in both directions, using both hands. Eventually the class split in two, each half taking notes on half the board, and then they'd swap at the end of class, because no one could write as fast as the professor. |
| 22:03.01 | mindjuju | i can coordinate using both hands at the same time, but not nearly the same as that |
| 22:03.12 | captbrogers | I can count to potato |
| 22:03.20 | beandog | captbrogers: lol |
| 22:03.30 | beandog | ~captbrogers++ |
| 22:04.25 | captbrogers | I get jealous whenever I hear about people that have a rare talent like that. Then when my in-laws see what I do and are impressed, I just think to myself, "If you only knew how relatively little I actually know, you wouldn't be so impressed." |
| 22:04.41 | captbrogers | But I still say, "Yeah, I know, it's cool. Just like me" |
| 22:05.06 | beandog | impressiveness by obscurity |
| 22:05.46 | captbrogers | Same with security. But for now, I have to jet. Hoping I can walk my wife into labor and get this kid out of her. |
| 22:06.10 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:06.16 | mindjuju | good luck! |
| 22:07.31 | beandog | o.O |
| 22:07.44 | beandog | that's not a quit status you see very often. |
| 22:07.51 | beandog | brb, gonna have a kid. |
| 22:08.55 | clintberry | beandog, every time I see you type that I sound it out in my head and think.. o.O it's magic, you know, never believe it's not so, o.O... |
| 22:09.09 | clintberry | I am lame, I know |
| 22:09.10 | beandog | whut |
| 22:09.30 | clintberry | it's a song. when I see you type o.O I literally read it as oh oh |
| 22:09.31 | beandog | what's that from? |
| 22:09.33 | beandog | OH |
| 22:09.35 | beandog | gotcha. |
| 22:09.46 | clintberry | Again... I am lame |
| 22:10.04 | mahelious | ive never heard the song itself, but i know exactly how it goes from its endless reuse in crappy commercials |
| 22:10.08 | beandog | You have extra-perceptory visual processing. |
| 22:10.26 | beandog | that's not lame |
| 22:10.29 | beandog | you're superman! |
| 22:11.01 | mahelious | beandog: http://xkcd.com/387/ |
| 22:11.04 | beandog | clintberry: really though, from a psychological view, that's kinda cool. |
| 22:11.49 | clintberry | ha ha, I wish I had whatever that is |
| 22:12.01 | clintberry | delayed audio input processing? I will google |
| 22:12.15 | beandog | it means it takes me a few microseconds to process what people just said |
| 22:12.19 | beandog | er |
| 22:12.20 | beandog | not process |
| 22:12.23 | beandog | register. |
| 22:12.30 | beandog | basically, brain latency |
| 22:12.45 | clintberry | But it is only with audio? |
| 22:12.51 | beandog | Yah |
| 22:12.53 | mahelious | must be like those tests where you raise your hand when you hear the ringing. i was always paranoid about my results, and they never made them available in elem. school |
| 22:13.16 | beandog | mahelious: exactly. Its the trippiest thing because I would *hear* it, and recognize it, but my hand wouldn't flip up until a few microseconds later. SO flippy. |
| 22:15.39 | mindjuju | i wonder if they are still going to force everybody on FB to do that timeline thing |
| 22:19.23 | beandog | mindjuju: hmm. I forgot how nice the non-timeline thing was. |
| 22:20.47 | *** part/#uphpu sjansen (~sjansen@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) |
| 22:22.37 | *** part/#uphpu josePHPagoda (~josephnex@24-116-177-212.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 22:26.03 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.04 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can sit in the corner of a circular room |
| 22:26.21 | beandog | lol |
| 22:26.23 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.23 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can sit in the corner of a circular room |
| 22:26.26 | beandog | derp |
| 22:26.27 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.27 | raifbot | Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship. |
| 22:26.30 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.30 | raifbot | Darth Vader dresses up as Chuck Norris for Halloween. |
| 22:26.35 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.35 | raifbot | Chuck Norris suggests you skip IPv6 and go directly to IPvChuck |
| 22:26.38 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.39 | raifbot | Chuck Norris was ordered to go to court once but the judge never showed up. |
| 22:26.41 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 22:26.42 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can fit a square peg in a round hole |
| 22:27.44 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 22:27.44 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Clear 41f / 5c Humidity: 42% Wind: N at 0 mph |
| 22:31.08 | josephscott | mmmm, I smell dinner cooking, yum |
| 22:33.17 | eggyknap | $weather 84637 |
| 22:33.17 | raifbot | 3eggyknap - 0,2current weather for 84637 - Cloudy 44f / 7c Humidity: 46% Wind: N at 0 mph |
| 22:33.24 | eggyknap | I bet it's really warmer than that. |
| 22:34.03 | beandog | we better take the day off and do some scientific study to find out. |
| 22:34.17 | eggyknap | srsly |
| 22:34.23 | eggyknap | I have a garden to start digging in, anyway |
| 22:35.12 | beandog | my neighbor did the coolest thing |
| 22:35.16 | beandog | she turned a toilet into a planter. |
| 22:36.28 | eggyknap | THe house I grew up in had a discarded fiberglass rowboat acting as a planter for crocuses sitting underneath hte master bedroom window when I moved in. |
| 22:37.23 | eggyknap | I've always loved crocuses :) |
| 22:39.00 | beandog | So, how much am I going to regret life if I force create a RAID1 setup while only having one drive? |
| 22:39.04 | *** join/#uphpu john_anderson (~john_ande@64.0.193.30) |
| 22:39.15 | beandog | eggyknap: fiberglass rowboat? |
| 22:39.26 | eggyknap | beandog: yes indeed. |
| 22:39.38 | mindjuju | peace out yall |
| 22:40.02 | mindjuju | DtD - think about macguffin |
| 22:40.02 | beandog | eggyknap: what does that look like? |
| 22:40.14 | eggyknap | big, heavy, brown, and full of crocuses :) |
| 22:40.56 | macnewbold | eggyknap: it was from the phrase "Peace, out", short for "Peace man, I'm out" |
| 22:41.10 | eggyknap | Indeed... |
| 22:41.17 | macnewbold | </bs> |
| 22:41.39 | mahelious | im now very curious, what is the intention behind raid 1 on a single drive? |
| 22:41.50 | eggyknap | macnewbold: :) |
| 22:41.51 | macnewbold | mahelious: i was wondering the sameā¦. |
| 22:41.58 | beandog | Because I haven't added the 2nd drive yet |
| 22:41.59 | macnewbold | similarly if it were raid 0 |
| 22:42.01 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:42.07 | macnewbold | so you're going to add striping? |
| 22:42.10 | beandog | It's still playing "emergency backup" |
| 22:42.11 | beandog | no, mirroring |
| 22:42.16 | macnewbold | oh, that's raid0 i think |
| 22:42.20 | beandog | is it? |
| 22:42.21 | beandog | well, whatever. |
| 22:42.40 | macnewbold | you could probably convince it to create the array in degraded mode |
| 22:42.42 | mahelious | 0 striping, 1 mirroring |
| 22:42.44 | macnewbold | then when you add the 2nd drive, recover |
| 22:42.48 | macnewbold | mahelious++ |
| 22:42.49 | beandog | yah |
| 22:42.52 | beandog | I'm wondering how well that's gonna fly |
| 22:42.58 | beandog | or if I should just wait to put it in there. |
| 22:42.59 | beandog | :T |
| 22:43.05 | macnewbold | depends on your card/firmware/ or sw raid drivers |
| 22:43.15 | macnewbold | probably no harm in waiting |
| 22:43.19 | macnewbold | you'll have to open the box anyway |
| 22:43.28 | macnewbold | in most cases, it asks you when you make it if you want to replicate one of the drives |
| 22:43.38 | macnewbold | just make sure to pick the one with data on it, rather than replicating nothing onto the good drive :) |
| 22:44.26 | beandog | macnewbold: its just software raid, mdadm |
| 22:44.39 | beandog | macnewbold: lol, good idea |
| 22:44.42 | beandog | look before you mirror |
| 22:44.48 | macnewbold | then look again |
| 22:44.52 | macnewbold | and have someone else double check you :) |
| 22:45.10 | macnewbold | or, manually replicate the data onto both drives before you stick it in the raid if you're paranoid |
| 22:45.12 | macnewbold | or clumsy |
| 22:45.24 | beandog | macnewbold: yah thats not a bad idea. |
| 22:45.47 | macnewbold | sometimes its faster too, since it isn't trying to do everything on both drives and keep them in sync while it replicates |
| 22:46.28 | beandog | yah? |
| 22:46.30 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:46.33 | beandog | I like that idea. |
| 22:46.47 | beandog | So I never can be sure. |
| 22:46.55 | beandog | er, remember, although it works fine both ways .... |
| 22:46.58 | beandog | which one has the filesystem |
| 22:47.05 | beandog | do both drives have their own, or does the raid device have its own |
| 22:47.23 | beandog | that is, do you mkfs.ext3 on /dev/md0 or /dev/sd[ab]1 |
| 22:47.37 | macnewbold | usually i think with swraid both have their own devices, plus the raid device |
| 22:47.37 | beandog | I usually do it on the raid device |
| 22:48.22 | macnewbold | to copy them, i'd just basically use dd to copy the whole drive, at the block level |
| 22:48.33 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:48.35 | beandog | even better! |
| 22:48.36 | macnewbold | but you're right, if you're booted from the drive at the time, you'll get a few differences |
| 22:48.38 | beandog | ~macnewbold++ |
| 22:49.02 | macnewbold | so if you can run from a livecd for a bit, to do the copy, it will be really nice |
| 22:49.18 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:49.31 | macnewbold | then you could raid them, mount the raid, then update your files on the drives so that it is raided at boot |
| 22:51.02 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:51.50 | josephscott | $lart really slow loading sites |
| 22:51.51 | raifbot | slaps a compatible dib on really slow loading sites's head. |
| 22:52.04 | beandog | macnewbold: Im gonna have to try that, thanks |
| 22:52.11 | macnewbold | np |
| 22:52.23 | macnewbold | i've had to do stuff like that before on some of CG's colo'd servers when a drive fails |
| 22:52.49 | beandog | macnewbold: using dd sounds brilliant |
| 22:52.59 | macnewbold | (one of the boxes has been chugging away in XMission's datacenter since 2005, and I've since had to replace both drives, luckily at different times) |
| 22:53.16 | macnewbold | yeah, dd worked super nice, and is actually what the raid needs anyway |
| 22:53.23 | macnewbold | it needs everything to be in the same place for it to work right |
| 22:53.27 | beandog | because it's going to do an exact copy anyway |
| 22:53.28 | beandog | right. |
| 23:46.30 | beandog | I hate it when things don't work without reading the documentation. |
