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| 14:45.33 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 14:45.33 | raifbot | executes killall -HUP stderr-. |
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| 14:55.40 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 14:55.40 | raifbot | nabs the moon and broadsides Bikerdan with the sea of tranquility. |
| 14:55.52 | josephscott | $8ball will it be a good day? |
| 14:55.53 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes - definitely. |
| 14:55.55 | josephscott | woot! |
| 14:56.15 | josephscott | ~wootstats |
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| 14:59.36 | hhatfield | $8ball a good day for everyone? |
| 14:59.36 | raifbot | hhatfield - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 14:59.47 | hhatfield | $8ball answer the stupid question. |
| 14:59.47 | raifbot | hhatfield - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 14:59.54 | bbert | lol |
| 15:00.02 | bbert | sounds like you aren't concentrating |
| 15:00.02 | hhatfield | $8ball you're cruising for a lart'ing. |
| 15:00.02 | raifbot | hhatfield - It is decidedly so. |
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| 15:00.10 | hhatfield | $lart $8ball |
| 15:00.10 | raifbot | keeps mailing $8ball free America Online CDs until he drowns. |
| 15:00.24 | hhatfield | $8ball ready to talk now? |
| 15:00.24 | raifbot | hhatfield - Yes - definitely. |
| 15:00.35 | hhatfield | $^^^ |
| 15:00.37 | josephscott | haha! |
| 15:00.40 | hhatfield | $8ball ^^^ |
| 15:00.41 | raifbot | hhatfield - Concentrate and ask again. |
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| 15:01.06 | hhatfield | $8ball fine, you win. Good day for everybody? |
| 15:01.06 | raifbot | hhatfield - Very doubtful. |
| 15:02.33 | hhatfield | ~destroy $8ball |
| 15:02.33 | ibot | no |
| 15:03.05 | hhatfield | ~please |
| 15:03.05 | ibot | Do I look like an information bitch, hhatfield? |
| 15:03.19 | hhatfield | ibot: yes |
| 15:03.19 | ibot | i guess yes is the opposite of no |
| 15:03.41 | hhatfield | ibot: raifbot is evil and should be destroyed |
| 15:03.41 | ibot | ...but raifbot is already something else... |
| 15:03.46 | josephscott | rough monday morning |
| 15:04.00 | hhatfield | it was fine until the 8ball had to get all uppity |
| 15:04.19 | josephscott | :-) |
| 15:04.26 | hhatfield | $8ball are you just jealous that your not a the new iPad? |
| 15:04.26 | raifbot | hhatfield - Signs point to yes. |
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| 15:06.19 | josephscott | $8ball can you and hhatfield be friends? |
| 15:06.20 | raifbot | josephscott - It is certain. |
| 15:07.09 | carmony | so did we figure out what we're doing this week for the meeting? |
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| 15:09.13 | josephscott | not that I've heard |
| 15:09.33 | carmony | ~lolstats |
| 15:09.33 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4160. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 583 (14.0%), carmony -- 496 (11.9%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.5%) |
| 15:09.36 | hhatfield | $8ball will the meeting on Thursday be recorded? |
| 15:09.36 | raifbot | hhatfield - My sources say no. |
| 15:10.02 | hhatfield | $lart raifbot |
| 15:10.02 | raifbot | drops a baby grand on hhatfield. |
| 15:10.07 | carmony | haha |
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| 15:10.35 | hhatfield | Yep. Monday for sure. |
| 15:10.57 | carmony | Elephpant* |
| 15:11.51 | macnewbold | carmony: josephscott: re the meeting, i haven't seen any replies yet |
| 15:12.00 | carmony | was there an email? |
| 15:12.24 | carmony | macnewbold: ^^ |
| 15:12.50 | macnewbold | yes, I sent one on the 15th |
| 15:13.00 | macnewbold | did people get it? or is there something wrong with the mail list? |
| 15:13.26 | hhatfield | I got nothing since the 9th |
| 15:13.30 | macnewbold | hm... |
| 15:14.53 | macnewbold | I'll check with wps and wps_ to see if they know anything about why the email wouldn't have gone through. |
| 15:15.19 | carmony | lol, I think his summoning spell worked. :P |
| 15:15.20 | macnewbold | basically it said that we are postponed, and that c7 is busy this thursday already |
| 15:15.33 | mindjuju | i got the email |
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| 15:16.04 | macnewbold | so we can hold it on a wednesday, or a week from this thursday, or wait until 3rd thursday in april. Partly depends on when clintberry can do it |
| 15:16.28 | carmony | I'd be fine on wednesday, I bet hhatfield would like that :P |
| 15:16.34 | mindjuju | oh wait, maybe i saw it in IRC |
| 15:16.39 | mindjuju | i just scanned and didn't find it |
| 15:16.54 | hhatfield | $8ball does wednesday work for me? |
| 15:16.55 | raifbot | hhatfield - Reply hazy, try again. |
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| 15:17.15 | hhatfield | $8ball does this Wednesday work for me to go to the UPHPU meeting? |
| 15:17.15 | raifbot | hhatfield - Cannot predict now. |
| 15:17.23 | carmony | lol, just can't catch a break |
| 15:17.25 | hhatfield | $8ball will you know before Wednesday? |
| 15:17.25 | raifbot | hhatfield - It is decidedly so. |
| 15:17.39 | hhatfield | I'm gonna say that Wednesday works |
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| 15:21.30 | macnewbold | clintberry: how's it going? I found that thursday at c7 is booked, but we could do a wednesday, or a week from thursday, or simply wait until our usual april meeting day |
| 15:21.40 | macnewbold | do you have preferences or options that are no good? |
| 15:22.02 | macnewbold | s/options that are no good/any of the above options you'd like to veto?/ |
| 15:22.36 | clintberry | I am sorry to be the crappy presenter that can't do things, but I am in charge of scouts on wednesdays |
| 15:22.43 | clintberry | but other than that, I am free |
| 15:22.48 | clintberry | macnewbold: ^ |
| 15:22.59 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 15:23.01 | macnewbold | nice |
| 15:23.05 | macnewbold | three cheers for scouts |
| 15:23.08 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 15:23.09 | carmony | lol, I know how that is. :P |
| 15:23.48 | macnewbold | wps is/was in scouts too I think. I just got enrolled for Wood Badge this fall, even though i'm not in scouting calling currently. |
| 15:23.48 | carmony | LOL, this is a funny infomercial... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X1CBGY7H5Bs |
| 15:26.20 | josephscott | just have to be faster than you :-) |
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| 15:34.57 | hhatfield | so… what I heard was that it's going to be on Wednesday and clintberry is bringing his scouts? Was that right? |
| 15:35.08 | clintberry | ha ha, they would love it |
| 15:35.28 | clintberry | nothing gets a 12-year-old's attention like a presentation on Phing |
| 15:35.36 | carmony | lol |
| 15:35.39 | clintberry | I feel like I have to spice it up for you guys :-) |
| 15:35.47 | hhatfield | ~lolstats |
| 15:35.47 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4161. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 583 (14.0%), carmony -- 497 (11.9%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.5%) |
| 15:35.50 | carmony | My scouts would love to see a data center :P |
| 15:35.57 | carmony | they've asked me about it before |
| 15:36.10 | clintberry | carmony: That is true. I think they would like that |
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| 16:04.14 | macnewbold | k, so boy scout day at uphpu on wednesday? |
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| 16:10.54 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
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| 18:12.43 | carmony | any mysql gurus around? |
| 18:13.23 | Bikerdan | I'm not a guru... But I use it a bit. Maybe I can help? |
| 18:13.51 | mahelious | =) |
| 18:14.12 | mahelious | just found a liter o mountain dew in the back of the fridge with my name on it! |
| 18:14.27 | Bikerdan | It's YOU!!!! |
| 18:14.33 | mahelious | soda, forgotten and found, is the sweetest soda of all! |
| 18:14.35 | Bikerdan | You're the Mt Dew thief! |
| 18:15.00 | Bikerdan | Make sure there are no cameras around.... Could be a bait soda... |
| 18:15.32 | mahelious | lol. no, it actually has MY name on it. i put it there a couple weeks ago and forgot about it. |
| 18:15.39 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 18:23.08 | mgeary | carmony: what kind of mysql info do you need? |
| 18:23.21 | carmony | was trying to debug a performance issue |
| 18:23.34 | carmony | I just tried disabling the query cache, and that seemed to have solved the issue... |
| 18:23.47 | josePHPagoda | carmony: generally not cacheing hurts performance |
| 18:24.47 | carmony | the problem with the mysql query cache is that any write operations to any row in the table will clear the cache |
| 18:25.26 | carmony | so it was like our server was so busy clearing it's cache and trying to recache our queries were waiting on it |
| 18:26.18 | josephscott | query cache on write heavy tables can definitely be bad |
| 18:28.31 | mahelious | "bait soda"...like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzbawIoLvk (starting at 2:01) ? |
| 18:30.39 | clintberry | carmony: Could you setup a master slave replication on mysql and enable the query cache only on the slave, and only perform your reads from the slave? |
| 18:31.20 | carmony | we could, but the writes coming in via the replication would still invaldate the cache |
| 18:31.40 | carmony | we cache our data heavily in memcached, its the built-in query cache that we were having problems with |
| 18:32.01 | clintberry | Oh okay, cool |
| 18:39.23 | wps_ | macnewbold: you might need to resend your message to the list |
| 18:39.35 | macnewbold | yeah? is it gone from the queue? |
| 18:39.41 | wps_ | since sendmail was running, it's probably in sendmail's queue and won't ever get sent out |
| 18:40.21 | macnewbold | i think postfix and sendmail share a queue |
| 18:40.31 | macnewbold | so if sendmail didn't get it sent out, it's probably still there waiting |
| 18:40.43 | macnewbold | but i'll resend this afternoon if it doesn't come through |
| 18:43.34 | Bikerdan | 01mahelious - Yeah. Just like that |
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| 19:39.37 | beandog | o har |
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| 19:57.26 | mgeary | anyone here use linode? |
| 19:57.37 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 19:57.37 | raifbot | holds NoCoolName_Tom to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 19:58.30 | clintberry | mgeary: I do |
| 19:58.41 | mgeary | ah. heh. nevermind. rsync wasn't installed ;) |
| 19:58.45 | clintberry | :-) |
| 19:58.52 | mgeary | that'll do it |
| 19:59.05 | clintberry | I was hoping you were going to ask about down time |
| 19:59.18 | mgeary | i could do that, if you like |
| 19:59.34 | clintberry | Then I could send you my pingdom stats that show you I have had 5 minutes of down time in 1 year and a half |
| 19:59.40 | beandog | mgeary: yah |
| 19:59.49 | beandog | 5 *minutes* ?? |
| 19:59.52 | beandog | which data center are you on |
| 19:59.54 | beandog | not Fremont. |
| 20:00.02 | clintberry | The one in Dallas |
| 20:00.12 | beandog | Yah that one is good |
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| 20:04.41 | clintberry | sorry, 12 minutes--- http://imgur.com/ZWHhs |
| 20:04.54 | clintberry | that site sucks. What do you guys use to share images really quick? |
| 20:07.03 | influx | imgur. |
| 20:07.22 | influx | What about it sucks, though? |
| 20:10.44 | clintberry | All the ads... I just clicked the link again and they weren't there |
| 20:10.47 | clintberry | so nevermind |
| 20:11.20 | clintberry | When I submitted it there was a whole page of different ads. I thought that they showed up when clicked, but they don't. So I am happy :-) |
| 20:15.05 | beandog | rackspace guarantees 100% network uptime |
| 20:15.07 | beandog | which is kinda interesting. |
| 20:15.35 | clintberry | How can you guarantee that? I wonder what happens if they go down... |
| 20:15.52 | clintberry | You get your money for the whole year back? ;-) |
| 20:16.25 | beandog | you just say it was a typo on the website |
| 20:17.04 | influx | Yeah. That 1 is too close to the 9. |
| 20:17.10 | influx | Happens to me all the time. |
| 20:19.08 | beandog | especially in payroll |
| 20:25.50 | josePHPagoda | :P |
| 20:26.37 | mahelious | oh yeah, well my sharehost offers 200% uptime. :p |
| 20:27.09 | josePHPagoda | "hosting so good, it's like you were here before you started" |
| 20:33.46 | beandog | mahelious: lol |
| 20:33.52 | beandog | we were up, twice! |
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| 20:44.02 | beandog | le sigh |
| 20:44.07 | beandog | I want a non-ff browser to play with |
| 20:44.10 | beandog | not chrome either. |
| 20:44.45 | josePHPagoda | konqueror |
| 20:44.49 | beandog | gtk |
| 20:44.50 | beandog | :D |
| 20:45.15 | kjay | midori |
| 20:45.24 | josePHPagoda | midori actually isn't bad |
| 20:45.44 | mahelious | non-ff == non-mozilla? |
| 20:45.50 | beandog | non-ugly |
| 20:45.59 | mindjuju2 | beandog - http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/mosaic.html |
| 20:46.15 | beandog | I wonder if epiphany is really still as bad as people are rating it |
| 20:46.32 | josePHPagoda | it wasn't bad when I used it |
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| 20:46.41 | josePHPagoda | mindjuju: i can't believe they recommend IE |
| 20:46.44 | josePHPagoda | :-/ |
| 20:47.34 | beandog | what in the world |
| 20:47.37 | beandog | duck duck go? |
| 20:47.45 | beandog | that is the coolest thing evar. |
| 20:48.32 | mindjuju | 14there was an all grpahical browser |
| 20:48.38 | mindjuju | 14i think it was called coloris |
| 20:48.48 | mindjuju | 14or something like that, it had that "is" suffix |
| 20:49.04 | josePHPagoda | flock! |
| 20:49.07 | beandog | I love this thing already |
| 20:49.13 | beandog | ~kjay++ |
| 20:49.15 | beandog | thanks mon! |
| 20:49.24 | beandog | this thing is zippy |
| 20:50.30 | hhatfield | $8ball is it 5 o'clock somewhere? |
| 20:50.30 | raifbot | hhatfield - As I see it, yes. |
| 20:51.00 | beandog | oh noes |
| 20:51.00 | beandog | no flash |
| 20:52.52 | beandog | how do you add something to speed dial |
| 20:52.53 | beandog | herm |
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| 21:05.57 | mindjuju | 14beandog - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers |
| 21:06.19 | influx | Narf. |
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| 21:22.08 | beandog | anyone have any input on mysql-proxy? |
| 21:22.09 | beandog | looks intresting |
| 21:22.42 | beandog | actually looks like it has some really fascinating features |
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| 21:29.24 | josephscott | we used it for awhile |
| 21:29.30 | josephscott | definitely interesting features |
| 21:29.52 | josephscott | we ended up not using it, for large scale items it became one more thing in the middle that could break |
| 21:34.29 | beandog | josephscott: I'm trying to find some options for MySQL high availability |
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| 21:35.20 | josephscott | depending on your other needs, I'd suggest looking at the Percona options for HA |
| 21:36.04 | josephscott | specifically the Galera option |
| 21:36.06 | josephscott | http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/10/03/percona-server-5-5-15-galera-21-1-beta2/ |
| 21:36.36 | beandog | yah I don't see us moving to percona |
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| 21:36.50 | josephscott | any particular reason? drop in replacement for mysql |
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| 21:37.55 | josephscott | I should also ask, exactly what level of HA? should it be fully automated, goal of zero down time? |
| 21:38.06 | beandog | just introducting a variable of new technology |
| 21:38.22 | beandog | I'd rather push for HA than promoting a different DB |
| 21:38.37 | beandog | josephscott: yah, pretty much. uptime |
| 21:39.02 | beandog | automated failover |
| 21:39.17 | clintberry | carmony: We hired a new dev. First one since the we started using vagrant. He came in, installed Git, installed vagrant, checked out the code, fired up vagrant, fixed a bug, committed, deployed (phing), all within 4 hours... I will now refer to this time period as the Post-Vagrant era. Thanks again for the tip. |
| 21:39.48 | beandog | vagrant? |
| 21:40.02 | clintberry | yeah: http://vagrantup.com/ |
| 21:40.13 | josephscott | beandog: I'd still look at the Galera option then, works with regular xtradb/innodb |
| 21:40.22 | beandog | josephscott: the other scenario I have to deal with a lot is server migration ... so I'm actually looking at setting up some proxies as well that will just route stuff between old & new |
| 21:40.29 | josephscott | clintberry: are you using vagrant for only local dev then? |
| 21:40.46 | clintberry | josephscott: Yes, but tell me, what else can I use it for? |
| 21:40.54 | josephscott | well, that is what I was wondering :-) |
| 21:41.02 | clintberry | oh, yes. :-) |
| 21:41.09 | clintberry | me too |
| 21:41.17 | josephscott | I don't do local dev work, so when I looked at it I wasn't sure what my use case would be |
| 21:41.28 | beandog | josephscott: one thing at a time. |
| 21:41.37 | josephscott | each dev gets a VM, that uses the same libs, etc. that are in production |
| 21:41.53 | clintberry | josephscott: Yeah, you do work on remote vim, right? |
| 21:42.12 | josephscott | yep |
| 21:42.43 | clintberry | Probably wouldn't benefit you too much. I think that is awesome you work on vim remotely though, you could develop on your ipad if you wanted :-) |
| 21:42.49 | josephscott | having a VM for each dev makes it easy to have other people try out/test changes, along with having the same env. as production |
| 21:43.05 | josephscott | yes, if I liked torturing myself, I could do that ;-) |
| 21:43.08 | clintberry | ha ha |
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| 21:44.45 | josephscott | gotta run, going to remind myself how bad I am at basketball |
| 21:49.23 | mahelious | sometimes i wish a browser would allow refreshing individual elements. |
| 21:49.46 | mahelious | click a box and it pulls down just the specific css file without the rest of the page. |
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| 21:56.40 | TuxToaster | anyone use CakePHP 2.x? |
| 22:01.40 | carmony | clintberry: haha, nice! |
| 22:02.15 | clintberry | :-) |
| 22:03.02 | carmony | I think you're probably using it more than I am :P |
| 22:05.11 | clintberry | carmony: Do you guys have a lot of developers there? It seems like that is where you get the biggest advantage |
| 22:05.30 | carmony | not really, my day job there is just me |
| 22:05.43 | clintberry | Oh okay |
| 22:05.53 | clintberry | The dating site, right? |
| 22:05.55 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:05.59 | clintberry | seems like a lot of traffic for one dev... |
| 22:06.02 | clintberry | :-) |
| 22:06.06 | carmony | haha, thats what I say! |
| 22:06.18 | carmony | Not just a dating site, but dozens of other iPhone apps |
| 22:06.27 | clintberry | I guess that reflects well on you! Nice job to be able to handle it |
| 22:07.58 | carmony | lol, well I tell my boss I can always use another hand :P |
| 22:08.14 | macnewbold | i hear there's a surgery you can get now to get a bionic hand |
| 22:08.25 | macnewbold | don't know if they have to replace one of the existing two, or if they can add it as a third |
| 22:08.32 | macnewbold | probably less useful to have a third hand without third arm... |
| 22:09.05 | carmony | lol :P |
| 22:09.31 | ninnypants | could always get two and one of those weird keyboards that you hold one side of in each hand |
| 22:11.01 | carmony | clintberry: do you guys use puppet? |
| 22:13.36 | clintberry | carmony: No, I used chef, but only because that was the first example |
| 22:13.41 | clintberry | would you recommend I switch? |
| 22:16.03 | carmony | Well, I've tried to play with chef and puppet, and then I got hooked on this thing called salt: |
| 22:16.34 | carmony | http://saltstack.org/ |
| 22:21.52 | thebigdog | fabric is another great tool as well for development |
| 22:22.14 | thebigdog | more for deployments and not configuration |
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| 22:34.46 | clintberry | carmony: So are you using saltstack with vagrant now? |
| 22:34.59 | carmony | not yet, I should though |
| 22:35.06 | carmony | to setup a dev environment |
| 22:36.25 | clintberry | It looks good. Although it does add another dependency (python) to run. Not too big a deal, but still |
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| 22:37.56 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:38.06 | carmony | I normally prefer python over ruby :P |
| 22:39.11 | clintberry | Yeah, me too. I'll install it and give it a go. Anything in particular you liked better about it? |
| 22:40.04 | carmony | Well, compared to Puppet's Server-Client setup, it is way more simple and quicker to setup |
| 22:44.18 | clintberry | Simple is good |
| 22:45.24 | clintberry | I haven't setup a chef server or anything yet. So far it has all been with chef solo. So the only hard part for me is creating ruby config files, which took a little getting used to |
| 22:48.08 | carmony | but that is pretty cool you got a dev up in 4 hours |
| 22:51.31 | macnewbold | our setup here works about that fast, but we all dev in different sandboxes on one dev server, not locallt. |
| 22:51.36 | macnewbold | s/locallt/locally/ |
| 22:55.12 | clintberry | macnewbold: That is a cool setup. Can you work from home? |
| 22:55.25 | macnewbold | clintberry: yeah, via VPN |
| 22:55.31 | clintberry | Cool |
| 22:55.32 | macnewbold | can't work disconnected though |
| 22:55.49 | macnewbold | but in our case, that's not a big downside |
| 22:55.54 | macnewbold | though i know for others it totally would be |
| 22:56.17 | clintberry | I would like it so I could never work while disconnected... or when not at work.. :-) |
| 22:57.19 | clintberry | I am out. Talk to you guys later. |
| 23:05.28 | supernovia | oh shoot! I forgot to ask before 5 - is anyone interested in doing a geek lunch soon? |
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| 23:46.36 | ninnypants | supernovia: I would be |
| 23:46.56 | supernovia | cool ninnypants :) |
| 23:47.10 | supernovia | Would it be OK if it's in SLC? We can never seem to get much of a crowd in UC |
| 23:52.39 | TuxToaster | which is funny, since the UC folks are usually the ones that complain about not being able to make it to SLC for things |
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| 23:53.35 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:53.36 | raifbot | hauls kingsol up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles. |
| 23:53.58 | josePHPagoda | ouch |
| 23:54.06 | JacobEdmondKerr | I need a decent in house PHP developer for 1 month. Do you guys know where I could find a decent developer to come work in house for a month? :) |
| 23:55.55 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: seems like a bit of a tall order :P |
| 23:56.04 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah.. LOL. |
| 23:56.53 | ninnypants | JacobEdmondKerr: maybe talk to influx I think he's doing stuff for recruiters right now and may be able to switch for a month |
| 23:57.11 | JacobEdmondKerr | K. |
| 23:57.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | Do you have his email? |