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| 03:22.01 | wps_ | anyone know of a way to get the current timestamp without the hours? |
| 03:32.42 | josephscott | date() ? |
| 03:35.59 | wps_ | it doesn't seem to be working |
| 03:36.05 | wps_ | it's not dividing out evenly |
| 03:36.16 | josephscott | what is an example of the value you are trying to get? |
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| 03:39.02 | wps_ | strtotime('+6 days', 0) / strtotime('3 days', 0) = 2 // divides evenly |
| 03:39.09 | wps_ | strtotime('+6 days') / strtotime('3 days', 0) = 5140.3839158951 // uses time() as "now" and doesn't divide evenly |
| 03:39.45 | wps_ | now = 2012-03-15 21:39 |
| 03:39.52 | wps_ | I need now to be just the date, not including the hours |
| 03:40.01 | wps_ | just 2012-03-15 |
| 03:41.32 | wps_ | so, I tried this: |
| 03:41.33 | wps_ | strtotime('+6 days', strtotime(date('Y-m-d'))) / strtotime('3 days', 0) |
| 03:41.39 | wps_ | …but it produces the same results |
| 03:42.45 | josephscott | I'm not sure I understand, this: date( 'Y-m-d', strtotime( '+6 days' ) ) |
| 03:42.53 | josephscott | produces: 2012-03-21 |
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| 04:06.49 | skinner | wps_ you get your answer? |
| 04:07.01 | wps_ | no, but I'm pasting an example right now |
| 04:07.37 | wps_ | so, consider this code: |
| 04:07.38 | wps_ | http://d.pr/WcXA |
| 04:07.44 | wps_ | it produces this: |
| 04:07.45 | wps_ | http://www.anavidesign.com/temp.php |
| 04:07.52 | wps_ | see how it works for seconds and minutes but them fails after that? |
| 04:08.10 | wps_ | why does it not work for hours, days, moths, years? |
| 04:08.15 | wps_ | I need it to divide evenly |
| 04:08.40 | wps_ | to tell me when each fourth x is |
| 04:13.49 | skinner | What's the while loop for? |
| 04:14.04 | skinner | is that just for example? |
| 04:14.31 | wps_ | yes, just for example |
| 04:14.36 | wps_ | all of that code is just for example |
| 04:14.43 | wps_ | research |
| 04:14.48 | wps_ | trying to figure out how to get the result I need |
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| 04:15.44 | josephscott | I'm still not exactly sure what you are looking for |
| 04:19.17 | wps_ | I am going to have a script that runs every minute. Every four minutes, something should happen. I believe I can accomplish this by checking to see if the timestamp divides evenly. |
| 04:19.47 | wps_ | as you can see, it works for seconds and minutes, but nothing beyond that |
| 04:19.55 | skinner | Well one problem |
| 04:19.59 | wps_ | (I don't actually needs seconds, that's just in my test) |
| 04:20.16 | skinner | using just H as the time format wont work by itself |
| 04:20.51 | skinner | date('H', time()); // returns a value 00 - 23 |
| 04:20.59 | skinner | and if that's wrapped in strtotime() |
| 04:21.06 | wps_ | so how could I force it to H:00 ? |
| 04:21.07 | josephscott | why not just divide the minute of the hour by 4 then? |
| 04:21.08 | skinner | strtotime on 00 - 23 wont work |
| 04:21.17 | skinner | 'hours' => 'H:00' |
| 04:21.38 | wps_ | sheesh |
| 04:21.39 | wps_ | that works |
| 04:21.47 | wps_ | I didn't realize I could do that |
| 04:22.03 | wps_ | I forgot you could mix english text in with the symbols |
| 04:22.23 | wps_ | hours is working now |
| 04:22.33 | skinner | time() % 4? |
| 04:22.44 | wps_ | any ideas about getting days, months, years to work? |
| 04:23.42 | wps_ | if I used time() % 4, how would I specify the unit (seconds, minutes, hours, days, etc)? |
| 04:23.58 | skinner | well |
| 04:24.00 | skinner | maybe: |
| 04:24.27 | josephscott | http://pastebin.com/9EPCJPE4 ? |
| 04:25.02 | josephscott | guess I'm still lost, you had asked about every 4th minute |
| 04:25.15 | skinner | the only thing i can think of is something like this: |
| 04:25.20 | wps_ | I had… sorry |
| 04:25.28 | wps_ | was trying to keep the example simple |
| 04:25.37 | wps_ | I need the script to accept any frequency |
| 04:25.40 | wps_ | 4 days |
| 04:25.42 | wps_ | 12 hours |
| 04:25.46 | wps_ | 2 months |
| 04:26.02 | skinner | time() % 1 // Second |
| 04:26.03 | skinner | time() % 60 // Minute |
| 04:26.03 | skinner | time() % 3600 // Hour |
| 04:26.04 | skinner | something like that |
| 04:26.22 | wps_ | hmm… I think you might be onto something there |
| 04:26.23 | skinner | convert the time to seconds |
| 04:26.47 | josephscott | are you re-writing cron? |
| 04:26.57 | wps_ | basically, yes, josephscott |
| 04:26.58 | wps_ | :) |
| 04:27.00 | skinner | 4 days = 345600 |
| 04:27.20 | wps_ | it's for a content management system |
| 04:27.26 | wps_ | I need to be able to set up cron jobs without editing cron |
| 04:27.36 | josephscott | $google php cron schedule |
| 04:27.37 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=php+cron+schedule -- http://www.phpjobscheduler.co.uk/ -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448132/how-can-i-easily-and-simply-schedule-a-cron-job-in-php -- http://drupal.org/node/31506 |
| 04:27.40 | wps_ | that's not scalable or easily deployable |
| 04:28.15 | wps_ | or version controllable |
| 04:28.27 | wps_ | if I have cron calling a single script every minute and then handle the rest with PHP, then that's much easier |
| 04:28.55 | skinner | i did something like that for a project once |
| 04:28.56 | wps_ | sound crazy? |
| 04:29.05 | skinner | a time management system |
| 04:29.19 | skinner | cron had the script run every hour |
| 04:29.25 | wps_ | I'm so close :( |
| 04:29.35 | skinner | then the script had conditions on if it executed |
| 04:29.57 | skinner | like the last saturday of a pay period, the database would lock entries at midnight so time was uneditable |
| 04:30.13 | skinner | emails sent out every sunday |
| 04:30.29 | josephscott | I've done the same thing with a bash script |
| 04:30.35 | josephscott | it runs every minute |
| 04:31.04 | wps_ | so, this works for hours: H:00:00 |
| 04:31.14 | skinner | good |
| 04:31.16 | wps_ | but this doesn't for days: Y-m-d 00:00:00 |
| 04:33.21 | josephscott | what libs have you already tried? |
| 04:33.35 | skinner | looking at your test data, your division by 4 is dividing the day into 4 parts |
| 04:33.42 | skinner | 6 hour blocks |
| 04:34.08 | wps_ | none, josephscott |
| 04:34.35 | josephscott | I wouldn't be surprised if someone else has done this already, worth a bit of time looking around |
| 04:35.57 | josephscott | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4587425/php-function-that-receive-a-cron-string-and-return-the-next-run-timestamp ? |
| 04:38.04 | skinner | Can you follow the cron format? |
| 04:38.17 | skinner | (minute, hour, day of month, month, day of week) |
| 04:38.21 | skinner | then get time() |
| 04:38.26 | skinner | and figure out if it matches? |
| 04:41.43 | wps_ | this is looking promising: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/321494/calculate-when-a-cron-job-will-be-executed-then-next-time/3453872#3453872 |
| 04:43.35 | wps_ | yes, I should be able to do that, skinner |
| 04:43.50 | skinner | ya i just read that link you sent, looks promising |
| 04:44.02 | skinner | here's another for ideas maybe |
| 04:44.03 | skinner | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5097109/php-crontab-dateinterval-convert-human-readable-interval-to-crontab-format |
| 04:44.10 | skinner | but to that reversly |
| 04:44.12 | skinner | lol |
| 04:44.24 | wps_ | I'd love to use "6 hours" instead of crontab format though |
| 04:44.32 | skinner | right |
| 04:45.25 | skinner | maybe a converter from human readable to cron? |
| 04:45.53 | skinner | 6 hours would be like (*, */6, *, *, *) |
| 04:46.28 | skinner | assuming I remember cron right |
| 04:46.29 | skinner | lol |
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| 04:48.18 | skinner | will you ever have more than one condition to meet? |
| 04:48.29 | skinner | ie "every 6 hours" |
| 04:48.48 | herlo | skinner: no, that's every hour that's divisible by 6 |
| 04:48.51 | herlo | slightly different |
| 04:49.02 | wps_ | yes, only one condition |
| 04:49.05 | herlo | 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 or 0 |
| 04:49.08 | herlo | :) |
| 04:49.18 | skinner | herlo: thanks for the correction, been awhile :D |
| 04:49.21 | herlo | skinner: every six hours could be |
| 04:49.29 | herlo | 1, 7, 13 ... |
| 04:49.39 | herlo | but that won't work with */6 :) |
| 04:50.21 | skinner | wps_ so in this example, your script gets run every minute, and if the current time is on the mark of one of the "6 hour" intervals, it runs |
| 04:51.10 | wps_ | this example is currently set to every 4 |
| 04:51.11 | wps_ | http://www.anavidesign.com/temp.php |
| 04:51.15 | wps_ | but yes |
| 04:52.00 | skinner | are you running every 6 hours in the day like (12am, 6am, 12pm, 6pm)? Or every 6 hours starting from the point the configuration is saved? ie right now it's 10:52pm so 6 hours from now... |
| 04:52.16 | skinner | 4:52 am |
| 04:52.49 | wps_ | don't really care, but I was assuming that if I said "6 hours" then the minutes and seconds would be zero |
| 04:53.25 | wps_ | and likewise, if I said "2 days," then it would run every other day at midnight |
| 04:53.51 | wps_ | with strtotime() though, I was hoping I could do stuff like "2 days 2 hours" and get it to run every other day at two in the morning |
| 04:54.19 | skinner | wouldn't that be every other day at 12, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc |
| 04:54.20 | skinner | ? |
| 04:54.45 | skinner | unless you want only at 2am |
| 04:55.41 | wps_ | here's an example from php.net/strtotime: |
| 04:55.42 | wps_ | strtotime("+1 week 2 days 4 hours 2 seconds") |
| 04:55.57 | wps_ | wouldn't that be 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, and 2 seconds from now? |
| 04:56.05 | skinner | yes |
| 04:56.21 | skinner | that's a set time in the future |
| 04:56.40 | skinner | but how about intervals |
| 04:57.07 | wps_ | so I was hoping I could set a frequency in my script of "+2 days 2 hours" and then do the division and if it divided evenly (which I was hoping it would every 26 hours), then it would run |
| 04:58.06 | skinner | so running it today would add 2 days and 2 hours to time right now, then if it's divisible it would run? |
| 04:58.30 | wps_ | yes |
| 04:58.53 | skinner | but then in two days and 2 hours, the script will still be adding 2 days and two hours and checking if it's divisible...right? |
| 04:59.08 | wps_ | right |
| 05:00.25 | skinner | so, why do the strtotime to add 2 days and 2 hours? |
| 05:00.50 | skinner | and not just check if the current day is divisible by 2 days and 2 hours? |
| 05:01.12 | skinner | I'm just trying to understand the purpose of the + 2 days 2 horus |
| 05:01.15 | skinner | *hours |
| 05:01.21 | skinner | (not the egyptian god) |
| 05:01.26 | wps_ | :) |
| 05:01.31 | wps_ | I wasn't planning on adding it |
| 05:01.35 | skinner | oh |
| 05:01.44 | wps_ | I was just getting the timestamp of it and then dividing by that |
| 05:01.45 | skinner | that was just example as well ? :) |
| 05:01.49 | skinner | ah |
| 05:01.51 | skinner | ok |
| 05:02.56 | skinner | so maybe |
| 05:02.58 | wps_ | I'm playing with your time() % <seconds> idea |
| 05:03.02 | skinner | ya |
| 05:03.05 | skinner | i'm back to that |
| 05:03.06 | skinner | lol |
| 05:03.22 | skinner | in the example of 2 days and 2 hours being every other day at 2.... |
| 05:03.43 | skinner | 2 days = 172800 seconds |
| 05:03.54 | skinner | + 2 hours 7200 |
| 05:04.01 | skinner | makes it 2:00 am |
| 05:11.40 | skinner | wps_ would you ever want to do something like every 3 days, and on that day every 4th hour? as opposed to a certain time every 3 days? |
| 05:12.21 | wps_ | I can't see me ever needing to do every two hours on every third day |
| 05:12.27 | skinner | ok |
| 05:12.28 | wps_ | just every third day on the fourth hour |
| 05:13.19 | wps_ | getting warmer: http://www.anavidesign.com/temp.php |
| 05:13.33 | wps_ | kind of |
| 05:38.19 | skinner | wps_ you still awake? |
| 05:38.24 | wps_ | yeah |
| 05:38.32 | wps_ | been reading about modulo on wikipedia |
| 05:39.39 | wps_ | I have pretty good results: http://www.anavidesign.com/temp.php |
| 05:39.53 | wps_ | I just need to know what to check against |
| 05:39.59 | wps_ | seconds is easy, it's zero |
| 05:40.34 | wps_ | it seems like there should be a way to determine how much I need to subtract out of the modulo to test if it's zero |
| 05:40.40 | wps_ | (for the others) |
| 05:41.23 | skinner | I made a few changes, like adding mod and tweaking the tests array: |
| 05:41.25 | skinner | https://gist.github.com/2048698 |
| 05:41.28 | skinner | wps_ ^ |
| 05:41.52 | wps_ | aweseome!!! |
| 05:42.06 | wps_ | the output of that looks like exactly what I need! |
| 05:42.19 | skinner | cool |
| 05:43.06 | wps_ | I was was close, but you get the prize |
| 05:43.07 | wps_ | thanks man |
| 05:45.00 | skinner | np |
| 05:47.44 | wps_ | wait |
| 05:47.52 | wps_ | running your same code on my server doesn't produce the same output |
| 05:48.06 | wps_ | I don't get a zero mod for every fourth for days, months, years |
| 05:48.10 | wps_ | http://www.anavidesign.com/temp.php |
| 05:48.59 | skinner | lol i just ran it again on my machine and it's not working again |
| 05:49.00 | skinner | ? |
| 05:49.01 | skinner | lol |
| 05:57.44 | skinner | my days and years are working |
| 05:57.47 | skinner | not months tho |
| 05:58.55 | wps_ | that sucks that you had it and now it's gone… I've been trying all sorts of things and can't figure out how you got that output |
| 05:59.01 | wps_ | :) |
| 06:00.03 | skinner | looking closer at what I pasted |
| 06:00.06 | skinner | months didn't work |
| 06:00.09 | skinner | guess i didn't catch it |
| 06:00.45 | wps_ | ah, yes, there are a few zeros, but not every fourth |
| 06:03.20 | skinner | I think I figured it out |
| 06:03.26 | skinner | the problem is in the mod |
| 06:03.30 | skinner | 10368000 |
| 06:03.57 | skinner | if you divide that by 4 you get 2592000 |
| 06:04.11 | skinner | which divided by 84600 (seconds in a day) |
| 06:04.13 | skinner | you get 30 |
| 06:04.14 | skinner | even |
| 06:04.23 | skinner | so it is literally every 30 days |
| 06:04.32 | skinner | not every "4 months" |
| 06:04.49 | skinner | cause 1 month of seconds apparently equates to 30 days...? |
| 06:05.23 | wps_ | well, I'll take that one quirk if the rest is working |
| 06:05.39 | wps_ | did you say you were able to get days and years working again? |
| 06:06.32 | skinner | ya |
| 06:07.11 | skinner | https://gist.github.com/2048738 |
| 06:07.14 | skinner | that's what I have so far |
| 06:07.57 | wps_ | weird |
| 06:08.17 | wps_ | that doesn't give me mod = 0 anywhere in the day, month, year sections |
| 06:10.04 | skinner | i'm making a quick change |
| 06:24.45 | wps_ | well, I'm off |
| 06:24.47 | wps_ | it is way too late |
| 06:24.56 | wps_ | thanks for your help |
| 06:39.28 | skinner | np |
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| 15:28.17 | wps | skinner: I got days and years working |
| 15:28.21 | wps | I had to set the timezone |
| 15:28.26 | skinner | cool |
| 15:28.30 | wps | the mod was off by six hours |
| 15:28.33 | skinner | ah |
| 15:28.35 | skinner | i wondered |
| 15:28.40 | wps | it finally clicked that it was because I as mountain time |
| 15:28.48 | wps | so, now I just have months left |
| 15:28.51 | hhatfield | $rlart |
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| 15:29.01 | wps | I think that that one is having issues because months don't have the same number of days |
| 15:29.01 | josephscott | $rlart |
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| 15:56.49 | wps | skinner: so after all that I think I'm going to go with crontab syntax and use that cron expression parser we found last night |
| 15:56.59 | skinner | nice |
| 15:57.40 | skinner | ya in my tests, months just are weird |
| 15:57.52 | skinner | there are a lot of complaints online about it |
| 15:58.05 | skinner | but I woudln't even know what they'd do to fix it |
| 15:58.22 | skinner | cause what if it's the 31 of a month and you try to calculate 4 months ahead... |
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| 15:58.27 | UtahDave | wps, are you working with a library dealing with dates and times? |
| 15:58.37 | wps | no |
| 16:00.03 | TuxToaster | skinner: depends on your logic, but you can take the date, find out the month, add four months to that, then get the last day of that month |
| 16:00.13 | skinner | ya |
| 16:00.20 | UtahDave | Oh, ok. |
| 16:00.27 | skinner | using strtotime(+ 1 month) wont work |
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| 16:00.59 | UtahDave | skinner, why not? I believe strtotime defaults to the last day of the month if the new month has fewer days than the original month |
| 16:01.10 | TuxToaster | oh really? what does it do? I thought I'd used that before for something similar |
| 16:01.38 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:01.38 | raifbot | slaps gshipley upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
| 16:01.40 | skinner | interesting, my tests last night seemed to try and advance the date 30 days into the future |
| 16:01.45 | skinner | but then again |
| 16:01.47 | skinner | it was really late |
| 16:01.54 | wps | way too late |
| 16:02.03 | skinner | ya, i should go to bed sometime |
| 16:02.06 | skinner | lol |
| 16:02.15 | wps | you still haven't gone to bed? |
| 16:02.24 | skinner | sadly no |
| 16:02.26 | wps | dang |
| 16:02.32 | skinner | as much as I'm craving it |
| 16:02.33 | skinner | lol |
| 16:02.40 | wps | I used to be able to do that |
| 16:02.43 | wps | for days at a time |
| 16:02.48 | wps | but then I got married and had kids |
| 16:02.54 | skinner | I kinda have been |
| 16:02.59 | skinner | and I'm married w/kids |
| 16:03.00 | skinner | :( |
| 16:03.07 | TuxToaster | skinner: nope, you're right, just tested |
| 16:03.17 | TuxToaster | 1/31/2011 +1 month gave me 2011-03-03 |
| 16:03.36 | UtahDave | Hmm. Looks like they're recommending using DateTime and ->add for math operations with dates |
| 16:03.39 | hhatfield | echo (date('Y-m-d H:i:s', strtotime('last day of next month'))); |
| 16:03.44 | hhatfield | that works for me |
| 16:03.55 | hhatfield | 2012-04-30 10:03:26 |
| 16:04.12 | TuxToaster | hhatfield: yeah, I think the issue is you'd have to write a case for the last day of the month though |
| 16:04.24 | TuxToaster | you couldn't simply say +1 month and expect it to work on all dates |
| 16:04.24 | mahelious | working late nights and marriage are incompatible, but usually self-correcting. |
| 16:05.06 | wps | :) |
| 16:05.09 | skinner | echo (date('Y-m-d', strtotime('sometime in the future'))); // Echo's 2012-12-22 since that's when the world ends |
| 16:05.10 | mahelious | either you're marriage will quickly require you to come home at a reasonable hour, or you wont be married anymore. :) |
| 16:05.24 | hhatfield | lol |
| 16:05.27 | skinner | ya, for me it'll be the first one |
| 16:05.46 | herlo | mahelious: depends on to whom you are married |
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| 16:08.34 | mgeary | ~friday |
| 16:08.44 | mgeary | ibot: ? |
| 16:09.02 | macnewbold | ~seen ibot |
| 16:09.13 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gsoc (1h 6m 29s) #bzflag (1h 6m 29s) #gooseproject (1h 6m 29s) ##bspress (1h 6m 29s) #brlcad (1h 6m 29s) #handhelds (1h 6m 29s) #utah (1h 6m 29s) #oe (1h 6m 29s) #zaurus (1h 6m 29s) #gllug (1h 6m 29s) #pillbox (1h 6m 29s) #arm-netbook (1h 6m 29s) #handhelds-gpe (1h 6m 29s) #uphpu (1h 6m 29s) #openzaurus (1h 6m 29s) #silvercat (1h 6m ... |
| 16:09.20 | herlo | macnewbold: lol |
| 16:09.34 | macnewbold | !friday |
| 16:09.37 | herlo | ask ibot where he is, you might get a response! |
| 16:09.37 | macnewbold | ~friday |
| 16:09.42 | herlo | $friday |
| 16:09.47 | mgeary | ~friya-day |
| 16:09.47 | ibot | it has been said that friya-day is Friya-day, Friya-day, gettin' down on Friya-daaay |
| 16:09.58 | macnewbold | ~rebeccaroll herlo |
| 16:10.04 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:10.10 | macnewbold | ~lolstats |
| 16:10.10 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4157. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 583 (14.0%), carmony -- 496 (11.9%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.5%) |
| 16:10.15 | herlo | ~kick macnewbold |
| 16:10.15 | ibot | ACTION kicks macnewbold |
| 16:10.25 | macnewbold | TuxToaster the lolking, widening his lead |
| 16:10.31 | TuxToaster | doh |
| 16:10.49 | TuxToaster | ~macnewbold say lol |
| 16:10.49 | ibot | ACTION wallops say lol with a flip-flop |
| 16:10.55 | TuxToaster | err crap |
| 16:10.55 | herlo | ~thump macnewbold |
| 16:10.56 | ibot | ACTION thumps macnewbold in the ear with a brick! |
| 16:11.01 | carmony | heh |
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| 16:11.28 | herlo | carmony: sounds like you need to step up your game |
| 16:11.29 | TuxToaster | $lart carmony |
| 16:11.29 | raifbot | duct-tapes carmony to the floor and drools on him. |
| 16:11.51 | herlo | ~lolstats herlo |
| 16:11.51 | ibot | herlo has said lol 379 times (9.1 %), ranked 6/105 (percentile: 5.7 %) |
| 16:12.07 | TuxToaster | not terribly far behind there, herlo |
| 16:12.13 | carmony | ~lolstats DexterTheDragon |
| 16:12.13 | ibot | DexterTheDragon has said lol 10 times (0.2 %), ranked 27/105 (percentile: 25.7 %) |
| 16:12.13 | herlo | if only macnewbold hadn't cheated, I'd be in 5th |
| 16:12.24 | carmony | heh |
| 16:12.26 | TuxToaster | ~lolstats ibot |
| 16:12.26 | ibot | ibot has said lol 0 times (0.0 %) |
| 16:12.30 | TuxToaster | liar! |
| 16:12.35 | TuxToaster | ~say lol |
| 16:12.36 | ibot | lol |
| 16:12.45 | carmony | I wonder who is currently in 5th place |
| 16:12.48 | herlo | ~lolstats ibot |
| 16:12.48 | ibot | ibot has said lol 0 times (0.0 %) |
| 16:13.47 | skinner | ~ibot say lol |
| 16:13.47 | ibot | lol |
| 16:13.53 | skinner | ~lolstat ibot |
| 16:14.01 | skinner | ~lolstats ibot |
| 16:14.01 | ibot | ibot has said lol 0 times (0.0 %) |
| 16:14.06 | mgeary | hah |
| 16:14.07 | skinner | cheater |
| 16:14.09 | mahelious | !say lol |
| 16:14.46 | mahelious | no say for raifbot? |
| 16:15.27 | mgeary | $say lol |
| 16:16.33 | josephscott | nope |
| 16:16.35 | josephscott | ~say lol |
| 16:16.35 | ibot | lol |
| 16:16.42 | josephscott | ~lolstats ibot |
| 16:16.42 | ibot | ibot has said lol 0 times (0.0 %) |
| 16:17.00 | josephscott | ~lolstats |
| 16:17.00 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 4157. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 583 (14.0%), carmony -- 496 (11.9%), macnewbold -- 478 (11.5%) |
| 16:17.21 | mgeary | ibot: who's gonna ride your wild horses? |
| 16:17.29 | carmony | I'm starting to think josephscott needs to make that list... |
| 16:17.36 | carmony | ~lolstats josephscott |
| 16:17.36 | ibot | josephscott has said lol 12 times (0.3 %), ranked 20/105 (percentile: 19.0 %) |
| 16:17.40 | josephscott | haha, never :-) |
| 16:17.54 | carmony | Thats what macnewbold said ;D |
| 16:17.57 | josephscott | $8ball will I ever make the top 3 on the lolstats list? |
| 16:17.58 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes. |
| 16:18.02 | josephscott | no!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:18.43 | ninnypants | anyone know of a decent free or cheap proxy? I need to test some pages |
| 16:19.04 | mgeary | so, all, for what it's worth, the GOP caucus for my precinct last night was very civil, and surprisingly not dominated by wackos, as best i could tell |
| 16:19.18 | mgeary | ninnypants: to do what? |
| 16:19.38 | unum | mgeary: I think that's due to the church pushing so hard for people to attend |
| 16:19.48 | mgeary | unum: i think that was a big part of it |
| 16:19.49 | josephscott | ninnypants: tor |
| 16:20.13 | mgeary | though i was still disappointed that the median age of the ~200 people there was about 65 |
| 16:20.41 | unum | it'll be interesting to see if any of the state reps end up being replaced with moderates |
| 16:20.57 | unum | though I don't know if any moderates filed to replace the crazies |
| 16:20.59 | ninnypants | mgeary: we're having a weird issue where shopping carts seem to be disappearing but we can't replicate so we're wondering if the place they're at is running it's traffic through a proxy or caching pages |
| 16:21.13 | unum | though dougall's not running, that makes me very happy |
| 16:22.47 | ninnypants | josephscott: does tor cache pages? |
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| 16:23.14 | josephscott | no, you asked for a free/cheap proxy, tor is free |
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| 16:58.01 | macnewbold | I need to get SunSparc to lol a few more times |
| 17:00.49 | josephscott | ~lol macnewbold |
| 17:00.49 | ibot | ACTION Laughs out Loud at macnewbold |
| 17:01.04 | macnewbold | :-( |
| 17:03.50 | macnewbold | if only those counted... |
| 17:04.06 | macnewbold | better watch out - if you get on carmony's bad side, he'll lol you to death when you're not looking |
| 17:04.11 | SunSparc | lol lol lol lol lol lol ;) |
| 17:04.27 | macnewbold | he literally wasted hours and hours getting me up to 478 |
| 17:04.45 | macnewbold | closer, but not quite |
| 17:04.49 | mindjuju | oh man Sunsparc, and I was all for the NSA coming here for the jobs it would bring, now i have to consider the evils they do |
| 17:04.51 | ninnypants | I actually think he slept while it happened |
| 17:05.13 | macnewbold | ninnypants: maybe |
| 17:05.15 | mindjuju | and i ahve issue with the NSA on several points, but haddn't had time to consider them |
| 17:05.22 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 17:05.22 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol |
| 17:05.38 | SunSparc | macnewbold: yeah, he had a bot do it. Just like I did for IE. |
| 17:05.58 | macnewbold | i think we ought to make carmony lolking |
| 17:06.09 | ninnypants | macnewbold: couldn't stay in the channel that night |
| 17:06.12 | macnewbold | not that TuxToaster's reign bothers me |
| 17:07.42 | fungus | I haven't read that article yet, but blocking the datacenter here won't detract from the goals or operations of the NSA |
| 17:07.51 | fungus | They'd just build it elsewhere |
| 17:09.14 | mindjuju | actually if i understood right, there are only a couple places they could build it, something about how that region is a nexus of national powerlines or something |
| 17:10.12 | ninnypants | they'll probably just get a dedicated line of IPP down south |
| 17:10.19 | ninnypants | *off |
| 17:10.38 | fungus | Perhaps, but it doesn't solve the problem of the NSA. It's just lip service, hacking at branches, whatnot |
| 17:10.47 | mindjuju | course on the other hand fungus, i've always argued that we need to correct government via legislation |
| 17:10.48 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:10.58 | mindjuju | agreed fungus |
| 17:11.53 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 17:11.53 | raifbot | explains, ever so gently, that if romanovic doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help. |
| 17:12.04 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 17:12.05 | ibot | executes killall -KILL Monnok |
| 17:12.05 | SunSparc | And if government cannot be corrected via legislation, there is always sticks and stones. |
| 17:12.11 | fungus | And the jobs it will create, at least short term, will be awesome. It even directly affects me. My company will be making big bucks off of it. |
| 17:12.21 | hhatfield | $8ball ibot lart's better, no? |
| 17:12.21 | raifbot | hhatfield - Very doubtful. |
| 17:12.31 | TuxToaster | hah |
| 17:12.54 | hhatfield | $8ball biased much? |
| 17:12.54 | raifbot | hhatfield - It is decidedly so. |
| 17:13.02 | mindjuju | wouldn't NSA have their own HR hiring process? |
| 17:13.18 | mahelious | seems to make sense to let the nsa roost in our back yard. keep your friends close... |
| 17:13.21 | ninnypants | not for construction I wouldn't think |
| 17:13.43 | mindjuju | nor the grunty sys admin work |
| 17:14.08 | ninnypants | mindjuju: are you sure that's not what they've already done ;) |
| 17:14.14 | ninnypants | could be why things are such a mess |
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| 17:14.51 | mindjuju | I don't know, the NSA are a bunch of clever folks |
| 17:15.10 | mindjuju | i may hate the things they do, but they are smart |
| 17:16.57 | ninnypants | Yeah they've got some really smart folks |
| 17:27.03 | mahelious | ugh. i hate requirements written like the ten commandments |
| 17:27.40 | mahelious | "thou shalt scan an email box and read the emails therein. thou art forebidden from modifying the mails read status." |
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| 17:36.14 | macnewbold | party today on turntable for anyone interested: http://turntable.fm/4f10ac2b590ca243cd002102 - pretty diverse, (almost) anything goes |
| 17:37.06 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 17:37.07 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Mostly Cloudy 59f / 15c Humidity: 25% Wind: W at 8 mph |
| 18:05.53 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 18:05.53 | raifbot | follow's DexterTheDragon with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION. |
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| 18:12.52 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 18:12.52 | raifbot | In "ring around the rosie", Chuck Norris does not fall down. |
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| 18:20.06 | fungus | mindjuju, the construction contractor for the NSA project is hiring my company for temps. |
| 18:20.21 | fungus | not the NSA directly |
| 18:20.41 | hhatfield | $praise the new iPad! |
| 18:20.46 | hhatfield | $really? |
| 18:20.52 | hhatfield | ~praise |
| 18:20.57 | hhatfield | ~hail |
| 18:20.57 | ibot | i heard hail is chimp |
| 18:21.21 | Monnok | ~chimp |
| 18:21.21 | ibot | Hail to the chimp, baby! |
| 18:21.30 | hhatfield | haha |
| 18:21.56 | Monnok | did i miss some new slang? |
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| 18:22.35 | hhatfield | sounds like a mockery of whatever current president is being identified as a chimp |
| 18:22.48 | hhatfield | we've had bush and now obama |
| 18:23.04 | hhatfield | of course, w/ obama, it was a race thing. |
| 18:27.25 | Monnok | and any problems we have are bush's fault |
| 18:28.14 | Monnok | oh snap! i just got trolled into discussing politics a bit |
| 18:28.47 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 18:28.47 | raifbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at mgeary. |
| 18:29.06 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 18:29.07 | ibot | judo chops fridgesm |
| 18:29.52 | mgeary | eek |
| 18:30.24 | josephscott | $save mgeary |
| 18:30.24 | raifbot | runs into a burning building and saves mgeary from certain death. Is that enough? |
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| 19:15.24 | thebigdog | mindjuju: you have a minute for a few questions? |
| 19:16.30 | thebigdog | eggyknap: good job on your transaction presentation |
| 19:16.55 | thebigdog | i only put down that you need a bigger laptop is all |
| 19:17.48 | eggyknap | thebigdog: Oh, you were there? |
| 19:18.27 | eggyknap | I like my laptop, FWIW :) |
| 19:18.36 | jsmith | Well, if it isn't thebigdog |
| 19:19.27 | wps | ~poke thebigdog |
| 19:19.27 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind thebigdog, pokes thebigdog repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:19.31 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 19:19.36 | mindjuju | PM away |
| 19:19.55 | wps | skinner: this cron expression library is awesome |
| 19:20.03 | wps | I wish I would have gone down that route more last night |
| 19:20.14 | skinner | Sweeet |
| 19:20.16 | wps | I have this all done and it's running awesome |
| 19:20.26 | skinner | I'm glad |
| 19:20.29 | thebigdog | cron ftw |
| 19:20.55 | thebigdog | eggyknap: i know…you did not even recognize me talking with you…alas is the life of thebigdog |
| 19:21.36 | eggyknap | matching IRC nicks and faces is something I've never been terribly good at. |
| 19:21.54 | wps | in case anyone knows anyone, I'm still desperately looking for a senior mobile web application front-end developer |
| 19:22.34 | thebigdog | was i will do the mobile but not the front-end stuff |
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| 19:23.48 | thebigdog | eggyknap: i know the feeling…i just recognized your name and put two and two together is all |
| 19:26.13 | eggyknap | I can completely sympathize with the "I won't do front-end stuff" feeling, btw. |
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| 19:44.37 | tierra | I think there's a big lack of web designers (not programmers) with mobile experience... web traffic just turned so quickly to mobile, and I don't think that designers are keeping up |
| 19:45.13 | tierra | any typical web application developer doesn't really need to ajust all that much to build mobile-friendly web sites, but designers definitely do |
| 19:46.56 | jtsnow | I think mobile also takes more UX work |
| 19:52.06 | mindjuju | ~apb utah_dave |
| 19:52.06 | ibot | ACTION calls Tim to find utah_dave |
| 19:53.22 | thebigdog | jtsnow: for the native it does take some of that as well, esp if you like the eye candy |
| 19:53.36 | thebigdog | the problem is that you can eat the battery on it |
| 20:04.17 | tierra | I'm fairly certain that wps is specifically talking about mobile web, not really app devs (hence "front-end" developers)... UX is a little different there, but it's also much more simplified in a lot of ways too |
| 20:04.52 | wps | correct, tierra |
| 20:04.54 | wps | not native |
| 20:05.02 | wps | I need an advanced javascript engineer |
| 20:05.06 | wps | ajax, node, backbone, handlebars kind of stuff |
| 20:05.10 | wps | MVC OOP javascript |
| 20:05.25 | tierra | I don't think it's terribly hard to find Android SDK / iOS developers as much as it is web designers with mobile experience |
| 20:05.35 | wps | bingo |
| 20:06.06 | wps | dev-ing for mobile is different than the destop |
| 20:06.13 | wps | it's almost like back in the dialup days |
| 20:06.20 | tierra | heh, yeah |
| 20:06.28 | wps | memory, processor, and bandwidth constraints |
| 20:07.42 | mindjuju | ~apb macnewbold |
| 20:07.42 | ibot | ACTION summons baby Lyssa to spray mace at macnewbold |
| 20:15.04 | SunSparc | do you know how cheap memory is? |
| 20:15.23 | SunSparc | ~do you know how cheap memory isstats |
| 20:15.23 | ibot | yes, I know how cheap memory isstats. |
| 20:15.30 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:15.58 | SunSparc | macnewbold: ibot knows how cheap memory is. |
| 20:21.33 | tierra | you know, with the enhanced licensing terms and restrictions these days on the app stores, and dealing with cross-platform mobile issues, I really think we're going to see even more of the same trend that we did with desktop here where your mobile website is priority number one (SaaS-style) still, and maybe a native app or two for convenience with a stripped down, specific selection of features supported |
| 20:22.30 | jsmith | tierra: Which is stupid, because mobile browsers suck eggs... |
| 20:22.37 | tierra | as with HTML5 location API, I think we'll see the same with other mobile sensors eventually too |
| 20:24.10 | mindjuju | ~apb wps |
| 20:24.11 | ibot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to rough up wps |
| 20:25.14 | mindjuju | ~apb xtrementl |
| 20:25.14 | ibot | ACTION calls Tim to rough up xtrementl |
| 20:25.33 | mindjuju | ~apb tierra |
| 20:25.33 | ibot | ACTION summons Leland to stake out tierra |
| 20:25.59 | tierra | I'm not sure how many people are aware of this, but the Apple App Store no longer accepts any open source apps released under even GPLv2 now, and the WP7 Marketplace explicitly doesn't allow GPLv3 (and in loose enough terms to argue pretty much any copyleft license including MPL, and other GPL too) |
| 20:26.17 | hhatfield | ~lart mindjuju jovially |
| 20:26.17 | ibot | smacks mindjuju jovially up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 20:26.58 | tierra | mostly to do with the fact that the restrictions Apple and MS have decided on are not compatible with open source licenses |
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| 20:30.52 | mahelious | sounds like a line being drawn in the sand. our grandchildren will be surprised to learn about the IP Wars of the '20s |
| 20:31.43 | josephscott | tierra: Apple has not asked for the WordPress app to be removed |
| 20:31.45 | clintberry | hopefully we can fix it. these videos are awesome talking about the problems. In particular the last one: http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/ |
| 20:32.13 | josephscott | and it was one of the very first open source apps in the App Store |
| 20:32.52 | tierra | they accepted GPLv2 intially, but they aren't taking new ones anymore |
| 20:33.01 | mindjuju | ~stderr- |
| 20:33.05 | mindjuju | ~apb stderr- |
| 20:33.05 | ibot | ACTION hires Beth to spray mace at stderr- |
| 20:34.11 | josephscott | did you have one get rejected because of that? |
| 20:40.15 | macnewbold | mindjuju: sup with the apb? |
| 20:40.33 | mindjuju | sent you an email about UPHPU track at UTOSC 2012 |
| 20:40.37 | mindjuju | wanted to be sure you saw it |
| 20:41.21 | mindjuju | and then looking over the presentations submissions for you, them are some MIGHTY fine topic submissions |
| 20:41.27 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 20:41.42 | macnewbold | nice |
| 20:42.55 | macnewbold | mindjuju: beam me up, scotty. where do i sign in? |
| 20:46.16 | tierra | josephscott: http://blogs.computerworld.com/17279/gplv2_blocks_vlc_from_apples_app_store |
| 20:50.04 | josephscott | still leaves things in the air |
| 20:50.31 | tierra | technically speaking, if the WordPress iOS app is GPLv2 code, and it's in the App Store, it's in violation of Apple's App Store license agreement |
| 20:50.53 | josephscott | and it was allowed in, and then pulled, which if it was all GPLv2 items, why were other GPLv2 apps pulled? |
| 20:51.34 | tierra | only Apple could answer that, but there's no question now that there is a licensing term conflict there |
| 20:51.38 | josephscott | that's entirely possible, we don't have much of an issue trying to stick to Apple ;-) |
| 20:51.57 | josephscott | agreed |
| 20:52.06 | josephscott | not sure I'd come with "I'm not sure how many people are aware of this, but the Apple App Store no longer accepts any open source apps released under even GPLv2 now" to describe that though |
| 20:52.26 | mahelious | how about the google marketplace? any licensing issues with GPL there? |
| 20:52.45 | tierra | no, that's correct, they aren't accepting *new* GPLv2 apps anymore |
| 20:53.03 | josephscott | this is an interesting work around: https://github.com/insurgentgames/Aeropack |
| 20:53.13 | josephscott | tierra: reference? |
| 20:53.28 | tierra | but I'm sure they didn't want to freak out all the iPhone users that have already installed a GPLv2 app that was initially accepted |
| 20:54.55 | tierra | it's not like Apple is in trouble for accepting a GPLv2 app, so I gaurantee that they don't really care legally, it's whoever uploaded the app to the App Store that violated Apple's terms and conditions |
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| 21:05.01 | tierra | wtf... "As the copyright owner, I hereby give anyone permission to re-license my GPL code under a non-GPL license for the purpose of distributing it in the iOS App Store or the Android Market." ... so in other words, it's not actually GPL/open source... |
| 21:05.20 | tierra | how about I re-license it with a proprietary license? |
| 21:05.57 | tierra | how about just licensing it under MIT instead? |
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| 21:07.02 | josePHPagoda | tierra: that leaves it being open source |
| 21:07.07 | josePHPagoda | it just might have other works or people recompiling it |
| 21:07.12 | josePHPagoda | and not leaving it open |
| 21:07.47 | tierra | he's even using GPLv3, which really makes it pointless |
| 21:08.37 | tierra | the whole point of GPL (especially GPLv3) is full/strong copyleft terms and conditions... i.e. ALL derived works are forced to release under the same license |
| 21:08.52 | tierra | that's most of the point of GPL |
| 21:09.10 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 21:09.30 | tierra | in this case, with that "exception", it's not actually GPL |
| 21:09.32 | josePHPagoda | but it's possible he doesn't want that protection for the user when the user is using some App Store |
| 21:10.10 | josePHPagoda | which still leaves it GPL, unless someone else relicenses it for the purpose of distributing it in the IOS and what not stores |
| 21:11.49 | tierra | well, the other point here though is that GPL requires that source code is available to anyone that it's distributed to, but once it's up on the App Store under a non-GPL license, that's no longer required... I could copy for the purpose of distributing on the App Store, and only the App Store, and keep the code/improvements entirely private |
| 21:12.49 | tierra | he would have done better to just relicense the project using a non-copyleft open source license like MIT |
| 21:13.38 | tierra | there's plenty of other non-copyleft open source licenses that would have worked too |
| 21:14.10 | tierra | BSD license is another one |
| 21:14.13 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 21:14.22 | josePHPagoda | but it's his choice |
| 21:14.25 | josePHPagoda | i agree w/ you though |
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| 22:37.38 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 22:37.38 | ibot | whips Heartsbane with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 22:37.53 | SunSparc | That'll teach him. |
| 22:48.27 | mindjuju | him, seems like this topic keeps coming up |
| 22:48.28 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/fbi-fails-break-pimp-android-pattern-lock-serves-192617057.html |
| 22:48.49 | mindjuju | forcing people to divulge their passwords, is it breaking the 5th? |
| 22:50.44 | SunSparc | Sounds wrong to me. Even if the target is a loser. |
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| 22:51.42 | SunSparc | Exactly why SOPA and other similar stuff is wrong. |
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| 22:52.03 | SunSparc | You give the government an inch and they will take all our freedoms. |
| 22:52.53 | Heartsbane | ibot: knock it off |
| 22:52.54 | mindjuju | you've got a point there, right now we've got the law to protect the freedom, but if required by law to provide password, to what lengths would law enforcement go to compel it from soembody |
| 22:53.16 | SunSparc | mindjuju: exactly |
| 22:53.24 | SunSparc | Heartsbane: hah |
| 23:03.20 | macnewbold | fwiw, on forcing people to divulge passwords: I think you could plead the 5th if it would reveal potentially incriminating evidence |
| 23:03.44 | mindjuju | that very question is what will eventually get to the supreme court |
| 23:03.45 | macnewbold | if it isn't yourself you're protecting though, you could be charged with obstruction of justice if you don't cooperate with a subpoena etc. |
| 23:04.00 | herlo | macnewbold: or even if it didn't risk revealing potentially incriminating evidence |
| 23:04.18 | macnewbold | however, to comply with a subpoena, you wouldn't necessarily have to divulge password, just open it up for them, or potentially change the password for them |
| 23:04.38 | macnewbold | herlo: that's the question - you can't plead the 5th if it wouldn't be self-incrimination |
| 23:04.59 | macnewbold | but they'd have to have a warrant/court order/subpoena to make you divulge private information |
| 23:05.18 | macnewbold | happy weekend all! Happy St Pattys! |
| 23:05.33 | mindjuju | get a designated driver if you need one! |
| 23:05.52 | herlo | hmm |
| 23:06.09 | herlo | Just so I couldn't respond |
| 23:06.31 | herlo | MUAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!! |
| 23:07.17 | mindjuju | i think i prolly had the most fun watching people slobber all over themselves and generally acting foolish |
| 23:07.52 | herlo | lol |
| 23:08.15 | herlo | mindjuju: St Patty's is Shaun's birthday. I don't plan on ruining my son's birthday with slobber :) |
| 23:08.22 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:08.27 | herlo | possibly though, I may act foolish :P |
| 23:08.28 | mindjuju | is he in town? |
| 23:08.32 | herlo | mindjuju: until Sunday |
| 23:08.37 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 23:08.52 | herlo | mindjuju: if you wanted to come down for the party, you could see the new place too. I'm sure Corban would enjoy it |
| 23:09.08 | herlo | it's at 3pm on Saturday, mgeary and little mgeary are coming :) |
| 23:09.42 | mindjuju | oh awesome! corban doesn't usually get back from gpa until 7p (he spends the night on friday) |
| 23:09.54 | mindjuju | plus tomorrow i've got some UTOS bidness :) |
| 23:10.04 | herlo | ahh |
| 23:10.06 | herlo | no worries |
| 23:10.59 | herlo | hey, maybe you guys will know the reason for this |
| 23:11.25 | herlo | I'm using apache to display my GoOSe Linux tree |
| 23:11.27 | herlo | I've got |
| 23:11.37 | herlo | Options Indexes FollowSymlinks in this directory |
| 23:11.40 | herlo | when I visit http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/README |
| 23:11.48 | herlo | I can see the contents of the README just fine |
| 23:11.53 | herlo | but when I visit http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/ |
| 23:11.58 | herlo | the README is not listed |
| 23:12.09 | herlo | anyone have any thoughts on that? |
| 23:12.22 | josePHPagoda | i don't know herlo |
| 23:12.32 | josePHPagoda | it obviously has permissions |
| 23:12.39 | josePHPagoda | and everything else is listed? |
| 23:13.14 | josePHPagoda | do you have IndexIgnore doing anything? |
| 23:14.21 | herlo | josePHPagoda: josePHPagoda IndexIgnore? |
| 23:14.43 | herlo | josePHPagoda: reload http://koji.gooselinux.org/releases/ |
| 23:14.56 | josePHPagoda | i see |
| 23:14.57 | herlo | you'll see that I can list ReadMe, _README.txt and probably others |
| 23:14.59 | josePHPagoda | ReadMe |
| 23:15.06 | herlo | yes, but README no workie |
| 23:15.10 | herlo | so strange |
| 23:15.10 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 23:15.20 | josePHPagoda | maybe there is some IndexIgnore directive set that you aren't aware of? |
| 23:15.28 | herlo | maybe, I'll grep |
| 23:15.53 | herlo | ahh! |
| 23:15.56 | herlo | httpd.conf:IndexIgnore .??* *~ *# HEADER* README* RCS CVS *,v *,t |
| 23:16.01 | herlo | thanks josePHPagoda |
| 23:16.05 | josePHPagoda | no problem |
| 23:16.09 | josePHPagoda | glad I could help |
| 23:16.15 | josePHPagoda | (been so long since i've been involved in the community) |
| 23:16.47 | josePHPagoda | feels good to be back |
| 23:16.55 | herlo | josePHPagoda: welcome backe |
| 23:17.02 | herlo | josePHPagoda: did you submit your paper for UTOSC 2012? |
| 23:17.16 | josePHPagoda | i don't believe i'll have time to do any more than volunteer this year |
| 23:17.32 | josePHPagoda | been super swamped at pagodabox for work |
| 23:18.15 | josePHPagoda | so funny story... wanna hear it? |
| 23:19.18 | josePHPagoda | guess not... |
| 23:19.21 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 23:19.24 | herlo | josePHPagoda: sure |
| 23:19.25 | herlo | but |
| 23:19.31 | josePHPagoda | :P |
| 23:19.32 | josePHPagoda | but what? |
| 23:19.35 | herlo | you should submit a paper, doing a presentation means coming down |
| 23:19.45 | herlo | hanging out, and enjoying my company :) |
| 23:19.53 | josePHPagoda | i'll come down for sure |
| 23:19.55 | herlo | josePHPagoda: if you wanted to crash at my place, you could! |
| 23:20.02 | josePHPagoda | no down about that |
| 23:20.09 | josePHPagoda | just wont' have time to properly prepare a presentation |
| 23:20.18 | josePHPagoda | but I plan on helping make sure everything is ready |
| 23:20.22 | josePHPagoda | :-D |
| 23:23.32 | josePHPagoda | anyways... i work for a hosting company (as you know) called pagoda box. And one of our clients uses magento. Magento isn't known for being super fast, so there are a lot of extensions to help speed it up. This particular client isn't using any of them, but his site is hosted properly, and it actually runs pretty well. He was contacted by a company that makes a speed extension. So he tested his site against theres. Here is the |
| 23:23.34 | josePHPagoda | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.40 | josePHPagoda | and here are his site's results |
| 23:23.45 | josePHPagoda | http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/iKKimrYab/http://www.polywood-furniture.com |
| 23:23.53 | josePHPagoda | so he responded by telling them to get a better host :-P |
| 23:24.23 | herlo | nice |
| 23:24.32 | josePHPagoda | it was kinda funny |
| 23:24.43 | josePHPagoda | both sites are decently quick, but it was funny seeing his "vanilla" install being so much quicker |
| 23:25.29 | herlo | indeed |
| 23:26.02 | herlo | josePHPagoda: there's a lot you can do with foss tools to make magento work better |
| 23:26.25 | josePHPagoda | yup |
| 23:27.10 | josePHPagoda | considering that polywood-furniture is faster than 84% of the tested sites (including magento and non-magento) it's not too bad |
| 23:28.21 | josePHPagoda | we actually disabled a lot of the "speed" stuff for magento, like combining js and css, because we could script it on deploy |
| 23:28.33 | josePHPagoda | and then magento doesnt waste time trying to do that on each request |
| 23:29.59 | herlo | indeed |
| 23:31.56 | josePHPagoda | so yeah, lots of stuff like that |
| 23:32.06 | josePHPagoda | also, since we use deployment management, we only hit the disk once |
| 23:32.11 | josePHPagoda | and then from then on it's cached in ram |
| 23:32.14 | josePHPagoda | :-D |
| 23:32.18 | josePHPagoda | since we know the disk won't ever change |
| 23:32.27 | josePHPagoda | at least it won't change between deploys |
| 23:33.40 | herlo | right, the only real risk is when products show up. that is also mitigated by cache a lot of the time |
| 23:33.56 | josePHPagoda | well, i'm referring to php |
| 23:34.00 | josePHPagoda | :-D |
| 23:34.04 | josePHPagoda | everything else is a static |
| 23:34.10 | josePHPagoda | and this is the codecache |
| 23:34.13 | josePHPagoda | :-D |
| 23:34.15 | josePHPagoda | it's pretty cool |
| 23:36.32 | herlo | indeed |
| 23:36.37 | herlo | I'd like to see that some time |
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