| 00:05.43 | TuxToaster | mgeary: interesting, didn't know DtD had a mp. |
| 00:05.46 | TuxToaster | mop, even. |
| 00:09.23 | skinner | what are general thoughts for using goto in PHP? |
| 00:12.44 | herlo | DO EEET! |
| 00:12.52 | eggyknap | If you're already resigned to using PHP, what can it matter to use goto and make it even worse? :) |
| 00:13.06 | herlo | lol |
| 00:24.20 | skinner | There was some discusison about it here at work and I just wondered what the general thoughts were in the community. :) |
| 00:29.11 | tierra | first off, I can't believe it was added in 5.3 (and also, it's only available in 5.3, so unless you're dropping all support for older PHP versions, obviously you can't touch it anyway) |
| 00:29.16 | tierra | and second, don't use it |
| 00:29.21 | tierra | period |
| 00:29.50 | tierra | I like how the PHP manual even included an XKCD strip about goto |
| 00:30.21 | skinner | Ya I thought that was awesome! |
| 00:30.42 | skinner | I'm against it, just a small few here think it's "Handy" to use. |
| 00:30.45 | tierra | like... "oh, hey, we know this is absolutely retarded, but why the hell not? It's not like we haven't screwed the language up in every other aspect anyway..." |
| 00:31.13 | herlo | lol |
| 00:32.06 | herlo | tierra: glad to see you chiming in on this, I sure had fun thinking 'wow, they really put goto in PHP?' I haven't looked at PHP in a while, so I wasn't even aware of this goofy addition. |
| 00:34.50 | skinner | Coming this summer in PHP 5.4.423: Line numbers! Now you can use the famous goto statement to point to line numbers! i.e.: |
| 00:34.50 | skinner | 10 echo "Hello World!"; |
| 00:34.50 | skinner | 20 if ($variable != $something) goto 40; |
| 00:34.50 | skinner | 30 echo "Something useful!"; |
| 00:34.50 | skinner | 35 exit; // Aww crap, forgot this line, better insert it out of the regular +10 pattern |
| 00:34.51 | skinner | 40 echo "Something else useful!"; |
| 00:34.51 | skinner | 50 exit; |
| 00:35.22 | tierra | hah |
| 00:35.26 | skinner | * Squeee! * Just imagine the possibilities! |
| 00:38.49 | skinner | </trolling PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor: Hypertext Preprocessor: Hypertext Preprocessor> |
| 00:40.09 | tierra | you can put up a fairly reasonable argument that goto can be used sensibly, and responsibly, and all that jazz, but when it comes down to it, in practice, it is *only* ever abused to take shortcuts, obfuscates code logic, and worse - it's teaching apprentice programmers horrible coding habits |
| 01:17.35 | ninnypants | can someone double check this? The code should remove an item from from one of the items in a multidimensional array right http://pastebin.com/PnrqVqDG |
| 01:18.29 | ninnypants | or will a reference not let you do that? |
| 01:29.04 | skinner | Yes you should be able to do that |
| 01:30.17 | ninnypants | yeah I thought so but it wasn't working so I just changed it |
| 01:32.05 | skinner | I just did a quick test based loosely on the code you pasted and it works |
| 01:32.57 | ninnypants | weird |
| 01:33.01 | skinner | http://pastebin.com/4Vr64Rj5 |
| 01:33.07 | ninnypants | oh well I don't care enough to fix it |
| 01:33.22 | ninnypants | ~skinner skinner |
| 01:33.22 | ibot | ACTION buries skinner in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 01:33.36 | skinner | Aww shucks :) |
| 01:34.33 | ninnypants | thanks though glad I'm not as unknoledgable as I thought |
| 01:35.37 | ninnypants | this is what worked for me http://pastebin.com/s3PW3rim |
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| 01:36.08 | ninnypants | no real change at all |
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| 16:20.28 | Heartsbane | To use or not to use goto |
| 16:20.54 | herlo | lol |
| 16:21.09 | hhatfield | $8ball use goto? |
| 16:21.10 | raifbot | hhatfield - My reply is no. |
| 16:21.11 | mahelious | https://xkcd.com/292/ |
| 16:21.21 | hhatfield | $8ball not use goto? |
| 16:21.21 | raifbot | hhatfield - You may rely on it. |
| 16:21.27 | hhatfield | seems pretty clear |
| 16:21.36 | mahelious | glad to see im not the only one vulnerable to chat-log brain worms |
| 16:22.33 | dezertol | http://www.slottoforkids.com/ |
| 16:23.26 | hhatfield | do they have slotto for not kids? |
| 16:23.55 | dezertol | lol I think adults can play with it to |
| 16:24.05 | dezertol | you just have to do it in secret |
| 16:25.03 | Monnok | lol |
| 16:25.20 | Monnok | just like reading the Twilight series |
| 16:25.27 | Monnok | NO ONE CAN KNOW |
| 16:27.12 | hhatfield | the problem with reading Twilight, even in secret, is that you can never unread it |
| 16:27.53 | dezertol | I never read it.. but I did watch the Youtub vid they made to "sum up" all the shows into one |
| 16:28.01 | dezertol | which was actually kinda funny |
| 16:29.04 | Monnok | well, when you dont have to endure the angst and 10th-grade writing skills, I suppose it might not be bad in that case |
| 16:30.27 | dezertol | well.. admittedly.. it was a parody |
| 16:31.00 | dezertol | I would consider watching the movies.. if Blade Jumped in and just started slashing them all up |
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| 16:34.18 | dezertol | I got no love for china today |
| 16:34.36 | dezertol | what a fiascoes |
| 16:34.50 | hhatfield | ? |
| 16:34.59 | dezertol | so I've got 11 servers over in one of there co-lo (cuz virtulization is illegal over there) |
| 16:35.33 | herlo | mgeary: ping |
| 16:35.34 | dezertol | and we need our contact to go in and configure the new switch so we can get access to it.. |
| 16:35.42 | dezertol | the who building is on lock down till the 18th |
| 16:35.44 | dezertol | nothing in or out |
| 16:35.54 | dezertol | what the hell kind of co-lo does htat |
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| 16:36.23 | Monnok | chinese ones? |
| 16:37.18 | dezertol | aparently... the -> Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference and the -> National Congress of the Communist Party of China |
| 16:37.35 | dezertol | are both holding conferences this week and next.. |
| 16:38.02 | dezertol | what country gov.. holds the presiding government conferences in a Co-lo |
| 16:38.21 | dezertol | unbelievable |
| 16:39.55 | mgeary | herlo: oy |
| 16:42.16 | carmony | dezertol: wth... |
| 16:42.18 | carmony | that is nuts |
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| 16:43.12 | DexterTheDragon | they don't hold the conf in a co-lo. the keep all the computers in the government building |
| 16:43.25 | DexterTheDragon | makes them easier to firewall |
| 16:43.36 | dezertol | lol |
| 16:43.41 | dezertol | I guess.. |
| 16:43.49 | dezertol | the building is fairly new.. 2005 |
| 16:45.42 | dezertol | maybe it's the only place that has AC.. course.. it's winter.. |
| 16:45.50 | dezertol | maybe they are using the heat from the servers |
| 16:46.38 | carmony | dezertol: I can ask my buddy in China :P |
| 16:47.11 | carmony | but he has come to the conclusion that, while living there the last year, that so many things are that way "because it's china." |
| 16:47.30 | dezertol | ya.. I'm getting that impression |
| 16:47.35 | dezertol | when we asked for SSL certs.. |
| 16:47.43 | dezertol | they actually told us that they don't use them over there |
| 16:47.51 | carmony | wow, sheesh |
| 16:47.59 | carmony | why do you have servers in China? |
| 16:48.08 | dezertol | touchstone.koolearn.com |
| 16:48.19 | dezertol | hosting Cambridge's remote lms |
| 16:48.38 | carmony | ah |
| 16:48.41 | carmony | nice |
| 16:49.14 | dezertol | all 11 systems are all on one big shared network |
| 16:49.43 | dezertol | running tcpdump had so much noise that we couldn't really even analyze it |
| 16:49.59 | carmony | lol |
| 16:50.03 | dezertol | so we did what we could to firewall/host.deny as best we could |
| 16:50.12 | dezertol | still have a 3 second lag for database replication |
| 16:50.21 | dezertol | which is why we needed the dedicated switch |
| 16:50.21 | carmony | wow |
| 16:50.32 | dezertol | which.. we can't use till the 18th |
| 16:50.34 | dezertol | lol |
| 16:50.37 | carmony | haha |
| 16:50.42 | carmony | that is just crazy |
| 16:50.47 | dezertol | because the building is on "lock down" |
| 16:50.48 | dezertol | lol |
| 16:50.50 | carmony | lol |
| 16:51.08 | carmony | I'll tell you what, playing XBox Live in China is a lot different too |
| 16:51.19 | carmony | cause I'll play with my buddy sometimes |
| 16:51.50 | carmony | No, and I mean no one, talks. Which is the exact opposite here in the US |
| 16:53.11 | dezertol | lol |
| 16:53.56 | dezertol | I play EVE online and use Vent .. but mostly... it's for large fleet battles.. and unless your the fleet comander.. you more or less just don't talk at all |
| 16:54.10 | carmony | I tried EVE once... |
| 16:54.13 | carmony | didn't really get into it |
| 16:54.18 | dezertol | but that's beacuse when 40 -80 pilots .. it could get noisy |
| 16:54.30 | dezertol | well it's changed quite a bit over the years.. |
| 16:54.43 | dezertol | for one.. they have a player elected counsole |
| 16:54.51 | dezertol | that meets with the developers |
| 16:55.02 | dezertol | so they get real feedback from real players |
| 16:55.25 | dezertol | when I first started in EVE years and years ago I couldnt' get into either cuz I got shot up like every 10 seconds |
| 16:55.45 | dezertol | but they changed the way the security systems worked |
| 16:56.05 | dezertol | so there are "high security" ,"low security" , and no security sections |
| 16:56.35 | dezertol | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f1kYQelp71A/Tw2bZG6HsZI/AAAAAAAAAdM/WT_GPhq94nQ/s1600/csm7-0.jpg |
| 16:56.40 | dezertol | that's the sum of it.. |
| 16:57.34 | dezertol | it's not like any other MMORPG I've ever played because in EVE you.. can do more or less do whateer you want.. you just have to find a way to do it |
| 16:58.07 | fungus | I prefer the more guided MMOs like WoW and SWTOR |
| 16:58.10 | dezertol | the market is crazy.. people play that game.. just to play the market.. buy low sell high |
| 16:58.15 | dezertol | ya |
| 16:58.25 | dezertol | I can't play them.. anymore.. |
| 16:58.32 | dezertol | to many of the "go kill 10 bears" |
| 16:58.37 | dezertol | over and over.. |
| 16:58.54 | dezertol | there are missions in eve if you want.. to run them |
| 16:58.58 | dezertol | but.. meh.. |
| 16:58.59 | fungus | they are a lot better than before. Better stories and such. Especially SWTOR |
| 16:59.27 | dezertol | I've not plaied the new swtor yet |
| 16:59.40 | dezertol | plaied wow and eq2 lord or the rings online |
| 16:59.49 | dezertol | and they're all the same.. after a while |
| 16:59.50 | fungus | it's pretty cool for leveling, but haven't seen end-game yet. |
| 17:00.05 | dezertol | ya eve starts out at end game |
| 17:00.06 | dezertol | lol |
| 17:00.22 | fungus | I started out as an EQ addict back in the day. Tried EQ2 and left to WoW at that time |
| 17:00.27 | dezertol | even a 1 day older player can to mix it up in pvp |
| 17:00.33 | dezertol | they won't live |
| 17:00.36 | dezertol | but they can go try |
| 17:00.53 | dezertol | I never plaied the first EQ |
| 17:01.02 | dezertol | eq2 was my first mmorpg |
| 17:01.03 | fungus | I get that, but half of my enjoyment comes from leveling |
| 17:01.20 | dezertol | ya.. I understand that.. |
| 17:01.26 | dezertol | I'm more of a creator |
| 17:01.27 | fungus | EQ was way fun. EQ2 segregated and bastardized it |
| 17:01.31 | dezertol | I like the crafting aspects |
| 17:01.41 | dezertol | which is why I liked eq2 so much in the beginining |
| 17:01.54 | dezertol | the crafting system in eq2 was very complex when it first released |
| 17:02.04 | fungus | True |
| 17:02.16 | dezertol | after they dumbed it down to rivle wow's crafting system.. I lost interest in crafting |
| 17:02.27 | fungus | Crafting has always been annoying for me generally. |
| 17:02.31 | dezertol | the crafting system in EVE is the best I've seen so far |
| 17:02.44 | dezertol | you can "invent" better versions of ships |
| 17:03.06 | dezertol | it's still a "get all the stuff and click combine" |
| 17:03.14 | fungus | I'm into the PvE mostly. Questing to max level, and high end raids and dungeons. |
| 17:03.30 | dezertol | but in eve each station has different things at different prices for buy and sell |
| 17:03.51 | dezertol | no magical insta transport of goods to whatever market broker you happen to be standing by |
| 17:03.52 | fungus | That's what I hear. EVE is all about markets, and there are many |
| 17:04.12 | fungus | It sounded like it would be really hard for a newbie to start |
| 17:04.23 | dezertol | you can become one of the most wealthy players in eve and ever leave the station |
| 17:04.34 | dezertol | they've worked on that a lot to |
| 17:04.46 | dezertol | there is some tutorials that guid you threw the first little bit |
| 17:05.00 | dezertol | there is only one sever |
| 17:05.08 | dezertol | so everyone is on the same server |
| 17:05.27 | dezertol | I initially got into mining |
| 17:05.33 | fungus | That is pretty cool. But i'm sure some busy spots get crazy |
| 17:05.34 | dezertol | I run several large mining ships |
| 17:05.50 | dezertol | the worst is in the main trading hub |
| 17:06.08 | dezertol | and they have this thing called "time dilation" |
| 17:06.22 | dezertol | which makes it actually work if it get's two crouded |
| 17:06.34 | dezertol | but.. they can hold a lot of ships before that starts to take place |
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| 17:06.49 | dezertol | most of the "high security" areas are pve safe |
| 17:06.58 | dezertol | very very little risk of pvp engagements.. |
| 17:07.23 | dezertol | because Concord the security force auto spawns at the point of agressive acts.. and wips out the peoeple doing it |
| 17:07.32 | dezertol | but it's only in the higher security area's |
| 17:07.48 | fungus | that's pretty cool |
| 17:08.04 | dezertol | but they actually encurage scams |
| 17:08.12 | dezertol | and people trrying to lie cheat and steal |
| 17:08.19 | dezertol | as long as your not using a "Game exploit" |
| 17:08.22 | dezertol | it's anything goes |
| 17:08.56 | fungus | so more like the real world, then. |
| 17:08.58 | dezertol | they're are ticks that people use to try to get you to attack them |
| 17:09.00 | dezertol | ya |
| 17:09.20 | dezertol | but if you have half a brain.. you can avoid all if not most of it |
| 17:09.49 | dezertol | but I really like building stuff creating blue prints for rare Tier 2 items |
| 17:09.52 | dezertol | and selling them |
| 17:10.05 | dezertol | they have an entire profession for "exploring" |
| 17:10.15 | dezertol | just go into a system and start scanning |
| 17:10.34 | dezertol | use probes to scan down old abandonded phycilities and loot them for artifacts |
| 17:10.50 | fungus | Sounds interesting, but between WoW and SWTOR right now. I have very little time left. |
| 17:10.56 | dezertol | ya |
| 17:10.57 | dezertol | I hear that |
| 17:11.03 | fungus | And the occasional Skyrim still. |
| 17:11.23 | dezertol | if you decide to play the trial or what not.. I"m in an active alliance |
| 17:11.35 | fungus | I'll remeber that. |
| 17:11.44 | influx | (Ahoy. I'm looking for recommendations on command-line software that can control browsers. What I need to do, specifically, is--from the command line--tell any number of browsers to refresh.) |
| 17:12.01 | dezertol | we where on a 40 ship defince of a player owned base orbiting a moon last ngiht |
| 17:12.48 | dezertol | influx: you testing load? |
| 17:13.34 | fungus | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments |
| 17:13.56 | fungus | Nothing specific to refresh, but you could use those to load URLs maybe you could get it to work. |
| 17:14.08 | dezertol | nice.. I was goign to recomend just using jmeter -> http://jmeter.apache.org/ |
| 17:14.15 | john_anderson | WebDriver might be able to do what you want. It has drivers for FF Opera and IE, I think. |
| 17:14.50 | fungus | Yeah, if you are load testing there are already better tools for that. |
| 17:15.08 | influx | dezertol: Nah. Trying to minimize the amount of time that I spend switching between browsers. |
| 17:15.14 | john_anderson | fungus: you play swtor? |
| 17:15.24 | influx | err, I mean, the time I spend refreshing. |
| 17:15.26 | fungus | Yeah started a few weeks ago |
| 17:15.29 | john_anderson | me too |
| 17:15.39 | john_anderson | I like it so far, and I don't really like MMOs usually :) |
| 17:15.52 | influx | fungus: ty |
| 17:15.59 | dezertol | you can use one of them click macro's to auto refresh for you every xx seconds |
| 17:16.06 | dezertol | or for that matter.. greese monkey would do that |
| 17:16.14 | dezertol | with a simple javascript refresh |
| 17:16.19 | dezertol | on a timer |
| 17:16.38 | john_anderson | influx: if you do mobile work, this is kinda cool, too --> http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-technology-sneaks-2012/adobe-shadow |
| 17:16.43 | fungus | SWTOR has the Bioware magic of great characters and story. But I don't see much in terms of end-game yet. |
| 17:16.54 | dezertol | I'd just load greasemoney https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/ |
| 17:17.02 | john_anderson | fungus: I'm in it for the story anyways |
| 17:17.07 | dezertol | and a simple js to refresh the pages you want every xx seconds |
| 17:17.07 | influx | dezertol: I like that idea, actually. Seems easiest. |
| 17:17.12 | fungus | Then yeah, it's way fun. |
| 17:17.32 | john_anderson | fungus: what class did you pick? |
| 17:17.34 | fungus | Bioware has other games that are even better though, single player: Mass Effect |
| 17:17.38 | influx | Writing some js to auto-refresh, or--i wonder if it's valid these days--meta refresh |
| 17:17.39 | fungus | DragonAge |
| 17:17.53 | john_anderson | yeah |
| 17:18.12 | fungus | I've played em all to lvl 10, but my main is a Sith Inquisitor caster |
| 17:18.15 | dezertol | influx: maybe.. but with a js you can do it whenver you want.. day's hours.. whatever |
| 17:18.39 | dezertol | influx: for that matter you make it do an ajax call to a central loc to schedule the next one |
| 17:18.49 | john_anderson | fungus: I have a Jedi Shadow that's supposed to be similar, I think |
| 17:19.30 | influx | aye |
| 17:20.09 | fungus | I picked the caster advanced class. not sure the name |
| 17:20.24 | fungus | Sith version of the Jedi Consular |
| 17:20.56 | john_anderson | yep |
| 17:21.01 | fungus | I wanted to be able to be a healer. I've always liked that. |
| 17:21.04 | john_anderson | shadow is a specialized consular |
| 17:21.29 | fungus | oh, I meant it's the Jedi Sage, these class names get confusing |
| 17:21.45 | john_anderson | yeah you can do sage or shadow, I guess I should say |
| 17:32.49 | mahelious | some guy is reciting the vomit scene from goonies |
| 17:32.58 | herlo | lol |
| 17:33.00 | herlo | love that show |
| 17:33.10 | herlo | today's inspriational thought: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/64339_10100642241983879_16832165_52138564_782119587_n.jpg |
| 17:33.10 | mahelious | takes everything ive got not to chime in: "Hit puree!" |
| 17:33.28 | herlo | and today's ear worm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td3KlonxeOE&feature=related |
| 17:33.41 | herlo | mahelious: lol |
| 17:33.42 | mahelious | would be better as a venn diagram with no intersection. |
| 17:34.03 | herlo | maybe |
| 17:34.12 | herlo | but enjoy your disco morning! |
| 17:34.15 | herlo | :P |
| 17:34.17 | mgeary | herlo: ping back |
| 17:34.42 | herlo | mgeary: oh hai |
| 17:35.00 | herlo | mgeary: so first thing, I think Shaun and I are going night skiing tonight at Brighton. Feel free to join us! :) |
| 17:35.26 | mahelious | ahh, disco star wars. thats fantastic |
| 17:35.31 | herlo | mgeary: secondly, we're on for Saturday at Alta? |
| 17:35.38 | herlo | mahelious: hehe, still listening to it too. |
| 17:36.00 | herlo | mgeary: thirdly, what night next week (sans Wednesday) would work best for you to do night skiing. |
| 17:36.21 | herlo | mgeary: fourthly, we're planning on going to brighton during the day as well next week, just not sure which day yet. Probably Friday. |
| 17:37.05 | dezertol | so.. so the galactic funk youtub vid you posted.. the first comment is AWESOME |
| 17:37.16 | dezertol | My neighbors listen to this every day.....................because they have no choice. |
| 17:37.17 | herlo | mahelious: although the cover art is a bit risque! :) |
| 17:37.26 | herlo | lol |
| 17:37.29 | herlo | just read that |
| 17:38.05 | herlo | apparently at 9:12, you can 'do the solo' :) |
| 17:38.30 | dezertol | I can see some crazy guy dressed in a polyster space outfit sitting on some 8 foot JBL towers in his front yard pointing at the neibors house |
| 17:38.42 | herlo | polyester is the bomb! |
| 17:38.55 | herlo | those poor neighbors! :P |
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| 17:39.14 | herlo | but it is pretty awesome music. I think even mindjuju might like this |
| 17:44.36 | mgeary | herlo: we are on for Saturday. Tonight might be hard, because Jackson has a bunch of homework to get through. |
| 17:45.36 | herlo | nw, just asking |
| 17:46.08 | herlo | what time do you want to meet up on Saturday? We could meet at the resort or drive up together like last time. |
| 17:46.11 | herlo | mgeary: |
| 17:46.21 | mgeary | as for next week, i've bounced a few ideas off my wife, but haven't managed to lock something down yet |
| 17:46.24 | mgeary | i'll try to do that today |
| 17:46.34 | herlo | cool |
| 17:46.50 | mgeary | for Saturday, i may have additional people coming, so we should probably meet at the resort |
| 17:46.58 | herlo | k, sounds good |
| 17:47.07 | herlo | I'll text you when we arrive. |
| 17:47.08 | mgeary | we'd try to get off as early as possible, hopefully by 8am, getting there shortly after 9 |
| 17:47.21 | herlo | k, we'll probably be there around 9:30-10, my guess |
| 17:51.33 | TuxToaster | herlo: at a glance, I thought you told him "I'll text you when we're alive." |
| 17:52.21 | Monnok | TuxToaster: zombies arent real ... yet |
| 17:52.27 | Monnok | and there is no cure |
| 17:52.27 | herlo | TuxToaster: okay |
| 17:52.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:07.08 | mahelious | thought the cure for zombieism was a good beating to the head. at least in Walking Dead |
| 18:09.04 | Monnok | its not a cure, its a solution |
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| 19:24.11 | skinner | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDHET3aCI2U |
| 19:24.32 | skinner | Safe for work, 100% guarantee to rebecca or rickroll :) |
| 19:24.49 | skinner | *to = no |
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| 19:49.06 | TuxToaster | skinner: that's cool |
| 19:55.16 | mgeary | anyone here use Zend Framework? Any thoughts on learning curve? |
| 19:56.08 | john_anderson | comparable to Symfony |
| 19:56.43 | mgeary | that doesn't tell me much |
| 19:57.35 | macnewbold | it seems to me that not many people use Zend Framework, probably with good reason. So if I had to hazard a guess about the learning curve, I'd simply say "not worth it" |
| 19:58.08 | TuxToaster | it's a bit heavy, and it has a tendency to require you to use it's parts rather than picking and choosing what you want out of it |
| 19:58.17 | mgeary | well, i've got a potential project that *has* to be done in it. Wondering if it *is* worth it |
| 19:58.39 | TuxToaster | it's *supposed* to let you include just what you want, but when we tried using it with a project a couple of years ago, it broke things as simple as header redirects |
| 19:59.18 | herlo | mgeary: hey, where was it you said there were 2-for-1 passes for night skiing at Brighton? |
| 19:59.30 | mgeary | my partner told me Arctic Circle had them |
| 20:01.12 | john_anderson | mgeary: it's pretty verbose, imho. I'd agree with mac |
| 20:01.23 | john_anderson | I *really* like using pieces of ZF in other projects though |
| 20:01.35 | john_anderson | but as an MVC setup, it seemed unintuitive to me |
| 20:01.42 | john_anderson | forms. :shudder: |
| 20:02.13 | TuxToaster | yup. That's a better way of summing it up than what I said |
| 20:02.19 | mahelious | mgeary: my own experience must have differed from TuxToasters. altogether Zend is fairly heavy, but not nearly the cudgel that is Symfony. |
| 20:02.28 | clintberry | mgeary: I have a few Zend Framework projects in the wild, and of course Magento projects as well. Once I got the hang of it I really like it. I felt like it followed the 80/20 rule well |
| 20:02.49 | clintberry | meaning it did 80 percent of the work... |
| 20:02.55 | TuxToaster | I'm using a couple pieces of it in an OAuth connector for working with Google, and works great. But when we tried using it as an all-encompasing framework, seemed messy. |
| 20:02.55 | mahelious | I found it very easy to pick and choose what i wanted out of it. my only issue with ZF is I like my frameworks to be a bit more strict. |
| 20:03.11 | mgeary | herlo: i'm seeing some $20 night skiing passes for Brighton for tomorrow |
| 20:03.13 | clintberry | mahelious: True, it is very loosely coupled |
| 20:03.38 | mahelious | one process has twenty different implementations and they are all correct. does not make for a happy code monkey. |
| 20:04.53 | john_anderson | Wasn't a fan of the bootstrapping/include_path stuff either. |
| 20:05.07 | john_anderson | But stuffing PDF or Lucene in another setup wasn't too bad. |
| 20:05.08 | herlo | mgeary: we could go tomorrow |
| 20:05.15 | herlo | I'd be up for two nights in a row |
| 20:05.20 | clintberry | john_anderson: They get a bit better with that in ZF2 |
| 20:05.24 | herlo | :P |
| 20:05.29 | clintberry | but it is still a bootstrapping process |
| 20:05.33 | herlo | mgeary: just don't know if the wife will be okay with it |
| 20:06.54 | john_anderson | clintberry: PSR-0 ftw |
| 20:07.18 | clintberry | for sure |
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| 20:15.56 | captbrogers | Whelp, anyone have any experience with modding an Droid X? Think I just bricked mine... |
| 20:19.27 | clintberry | ouch |
| 20:19.38 | clintberry | And I am guessing you didn't use a backup utility first |
| 20:20.26 | captbrogers | Well, it was an old one that I repaired, so it wasn't my main phone |
| 20:20.45 | captbrogers | So thankfully I'm not out of my phone |
| 20:21.53 | captbrogers | But I updated the firmware on it after I replaced the broken parts, and stupid Verizon hosed it up |
| 20:21.54 | clintberry | oh, that is good :-) |
| 20:22.29 | hhatfield | we use ZendFramework for a lot of our projects here |
| 20:23.06 | hhatfield | I think building something from scratch with their MVC has a pretty high learning curve |
| 20:23.29 | hhatfield | but using their components (most of them, at least) is pretty simple |
| 20:24.14 | clintberry | I remember struggling pretty bad with getting ZendForm to do what I wanted at first :-) |
| 20:24.21 | hhatfield | for sure |
| 20:24.36 | hhatfield | ZendForm is a little bit of a beast, especially working with decorators |
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| 20:24.44 | beandog | hermanos |
| 20:25.10 | hhatfield | it's probably taken us the better part of a year to feel like we understand it enough to take out the shims we put in place to make it work |
| 20:25.41 | clintberry | hhatfield: That sounds very familiar to me. But now that you know it better, would you say you like it? |
| 20:26.39 | hhatfield | clintberry: ZendForm is probably my least favorite component still, but we've got scaffolding in place that makes it so we don't have to worry about it much anymore |
| 20:27.05 | hhatfield | clintberry: If I were starting from scratch, I would probably use it again |
| 20:27.20 | hhatfield | clintberry: Forms and all |
| 20:28.01 | clintberry | hhatfield: What did you use for scaffolding? Did you code it manually or use a generator of some sort? |
| 20:29.02 | hhatfield | clintberry: we coded a generator that would connect to our mysql database and read from the information_schema table. From there we create our base models and forms which we then extend manually when we need to |
| 20:30.00 | clintberry | Very cool! I started a similar project and blogged about it. I still get tons of traffic for it. That is something that Zend Framework really is lacking in and people are always looking for a solution. |
| 20:41.05 | hhatfield | yeah. people definitely want and need that |
| 20:41.51 | hhatfield | I'm not sure that ZendFramework should provide that |
| 20:44.59 | stderr- | so who all is going to MWRC? |
| 20:45.08 | stderr- | err, wrong channel |
| 20:47.19 | hhatfield | $lart stderr |
| 20:47.19 | raifbot | executes killall -TERM stderr. |
| 20:47.54 | hhatfield | $8ball are you missing a 2&> in there? |
| 20:47.54 | raifbot | hhatfield - My sources say no. |
| 20:52.15 | carmony | how is everyone today? |
| 20:52.34 | hhatfield | bueno |
| 20:59.50 | beandog | que tal carmony |
| 20:59.55 | beandog | any servers go down recently? |
| 21:00.01 | carmony | nope! |
| 21:00.09 | carmony | I swear, people must think I'm a terrible sys admin ;) |
| 21:00.37 | clintberry | carmony: No, you just share it. I keep my failures secret ;-) |
| 21:01.17 | carmony | haah |
| 21:01.19 | carmony | haha* |
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| 21:07.21 | beandog | carmony: I never read it that way... it sounds to ME like you just have horrible hosting services. |
| 21:07.28 | carmony | lol |
| 21:07.40 | beandog | do you use percona? |
| 21:07.45 | carmony | yup |
| 21:07.46 | carmony | love it |
| 21:07.48 | beandog | I thought I remember someone in here using it |
| 21:07.59 | beandog | carmony: yah? I'm dreaming of migrating our servers to use it. |
| 21:08.11 | carmony | its nice |
| 21:08.13 | beandog | I've started using SendGrid a little bit. Love, love, love it. |
| 21:08.29 | carmony | I switched to it when we were migrating servers |
| 21:08.47 | beandog | carmony: how is network latency? that's what I'd be worried about. |
| 21:08.59 | carmony | with percona? |
| 21:09.10 | beandog | Yah |
| 21:09.22 | carmony | well, I just install Percona on the servers I want it on |
| 21:09.27 | carmony | so its not an issue |
| 21:09.34 | carmony | its not like I use a hosted percona service |
| 21:09.46 | beandog | wait, whut? |
| 21:10.00 | carmony | beandog: http://www.justincarmony.com/blog/2011/10/24/setting-up-percona-server-5-5-on-ubuntu-10-04/ |
| 21:10.01 | beandog | oh, derp |
| 21:10.04 | beandog | that's not what I was thinking of. |
| 21:10.07 | carmony | hahahaha |
| 21:10.26 | beandog | I was getting it confused with Xeround. |
| 21:10.39 | carmony | Hrm, not sure what Zeround is |
| 21:10.41 | carmony | Xeround* |
| 21:10.44 | beandog | cloud mysql |
| 21:11.01 | beandog | The less services I have to maintain, the happier I am. |
| 21:11.12 | carmony | hrmmmm |
| 21:11.26 | carmony | yeah, this looks kinda lika a RightScale-ish solution |
| 21:11.32 | beandog | rightscale? |
| 21:11.53 | beandog | Ugh |
| 21:11.58 | beandog | I hate any website that says "solutions" |
| 21:12.05 | beandog | I don't even know what the problem is. |
| 21:12.30 | carmony | lol |
| 21:12.41 | carmony | Well, it looks like you can tell zeround where to run |
| 21:12.43 | carmony | xeround* |
| 21:12.58 | carmony | so I would guess if you were hosted on the same cloud infrastucture |
| 21:13.01 | carmony | it wouldn't be a problem |
| 21:13.12 | beandog | Derp. This stupid form has a * next to everything required .... except *ALL* the fields are required. |
| 21:13.13 | beandog | UI fail. |
| 21:13.38 | beandog | Then it says: Enter the numbers above. Case sensitive. |
| 21:15.33 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 21:15.33 | raifbot | lowers bradym's priority. |
| 21:16.13 | TuxToaster | beandog: I still love the reCAPTCHAs that require you to type in characters that aren't on your keyboard |
| 21:16.21 | TuxToaster | like the one that looked like a tie fighter |
| 21:16.24 | beandog | Ive never seen those |
| 21:16.33 | beandog | mmmm Tie Fighter. I miss that game. |
| 21:17.16 | TuxToaster | beandog: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/epic-fail-photos-lucky-me-i-have-my-star-wars-keyboard.jpg |
| 21:17.45 | beandog | lol, whut |
| 21:19.29 | TuxToaster | yup, or occasionally you get stuff like this http://cl.ly/0Q2L1t0P1W122x2J3s1o |
| 21:23.59 | beandog | lol |
| 21:24.00 | beandog | nice |
| 21:24.00 | clintberry | ha ha. That is funny. I guess you know the word it is going to check agains on that one and you can simply type "tie-fighter" for the first word |
| 21:25.09 | TuxToaster | yeah, I really don't like recapchas. Most everyone uses them now though, so it's hard to avoid |
| 21:25.47 | TuxToaster | but even when they are normal words they're a pain to read compared to others, and then you have when they throw in numbers, über åccént marks, etc. |
| 21:26.56 | clintberry | This is bad, but I type gibberish for that stuff knowing it will pass. I feel bad for the OCR program putting that stuff into text. I hope i am not ruining some classic book text or something |
| 21:27.01 | TuxToaster | in their defense, it does seem like if you have one that has accent marks like that, it will sometimes let you ignore them. So you can put "uber accent" or 314 instead of 3.14 and it still works.... but that seems to kind of defeat the point of the capcha if it lets you be wrong. lol |
| 22:09.43 | influx | Does anyone here have access to a list or table that provides information on XHTML 1.0 elements and their default display types? |
| 22:26.51 | tierra | list would be defined in the DTD, although that doesn't define the default display types... |
| 22:34.27 | ninnypants | influx: you can probably get that off of w3.org |
| 22:36.40 | hhatfield | anyone know anyone in utah who is using responsive web design? |
| 22:38.49 | jtsnow | hhatfield: we are using it for some of our clients |
| 22:39.51 | hhatfield | jtsnow: how big of a paradigm shift have you found it? |
| 22:41.12 | ninnypants | hhatfield: I've done a bit and DexterTheDragon has |
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| 22:43.11 | hhatfield | jtsnow:, ninnypants: my boss wants me to find someone to come teach the developers here a workshop on it. know anyone who'd be interested? |
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| 22:48.27 | ninnypants | I don't know anyone who would present on it sorry |
| 22:48.51 | captbrogers | Present on what? |
| 22:49.03 | hhatfield | captbrogers: responsive web design |
| 22:49.14 | captbrogers | I know a littlel about it, what's up? |
| 22:49.32 | hhatfield | captbrogers: looking for someone to present on it :) |
| 22:49.38 | captbrogers | at... |
| 22:49.54 | hhatfield | captbrogers: Deseret DIgital Media, downtown Salt Lake |
| 22:50.05 | captbrogers | When exactly? |
| 22:50.25 | hhatfield | whenever |
| 22:51.07 | ninnypants | in 15 minutes captbrogers you better hurry ;) |
| 22:51.14 | captbrogers | So they want someone to present on it, explaining what it's benefits are, any pitfalls? |
| 22:52.06 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:52.31 | hhatfield | I think we're looking for someone to help us understand better how to transition current sites to using rwd |
| 22:52.39 | jtsnow | You guys are very close to us, but I'm not sure anyone here would present |
| 22:54.00 | captbrogers | I know some good designer people, want me to see if any are interested? |
| 22:54.23 | hhatfield | that would be great |
| 22:54.38 | hhatfield | you can have them email at: hhatfield at deseretdigital dot com |
| 22:55.12 | captbrogers | Will do |
| 22:56.01 | captbrogers | Quick question, will it be a paid thing? |
| 22:56.10 | hhatfield | absolutely |
| 22:56.22 | captbrogers | Good, that will entice more |
| 22:58.52 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 22:58.52 | ibot | eats DexterTheDragon's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 22:58.57 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:59.20 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:59.20 | raifbot | whacks uxp with the cluebat. |
| 22:59.28 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:59.38 | TuxToaster | hey, at least it didn't offer me some herring again |
| 22:59.45 | SunSparc | True |
| 23:00.26 | SunSparc | Though herring over rice could be tasty with a nice sauce. |
| 23:04.57 | uxp | Two bots? awesome. |
| 23:07.37 | hhatfield | ~roulette |
| 23:07.37 | ibot | ACTION watches hhatfield pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:07.53 | Monnok | ~roulette |
| 23:07.54 | ibot | ACTION watches monnok pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:07.58 | Monnok | aw dam |
| 23:08.08 | captbrogers | ~roulette |
| 23:08.08 | ibot | ACTION watches captbrogers pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:08.12 | captbrogers | whew |
| 23:08.30 | Monnok | what was wrong with your first one? |
| 23:08.34 | hhatfield | ~lart all things evil |
| 23:08.34 | ibot | puts all things evil into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of all things evil's hair of |
| 23:09.01 | hhatfield | hmm… I think that would be evils', no? |
| 23:10.52 | Monnok | ~roulette evils |
| 23:10.52 | ibot | ACTION watches evils pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:10.52 | Monnok | so you cant force something to play roulette? |
| 23:11.03 | Monnok | lag |
| 23:11.55 | Monnok | ~roulette Chuck Norris |
| 23:11.55 | ibot | ACTION watches Chuck Norris pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:13.18 | ninnypants | ~roulette ibot |
| 23:13.18 | ibot | ACTION watches ibot pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:14.01 | hhatfield | $8ball when Chuck Norris gets shot in Russian Roulette, does it actually hurt him? |
| 23:14.01 | raifbot | hhatfield - Outlook good. |
| 23:14.03 | ninnypants | ~roulette Monnok |
| 23:14.03 | ibot | ACTION watches Monnok pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:14.13 | hhatfield | ~roulette raifbot |
| 23:14.13 | ibot | ACTION watches raifbot pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:14.15 | ninnypants | I wonder if you roulette someone it's always bang |
| 23:14.27 | Monnok | ~roulette ninnypants |
| 23:14.27 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:14.33 | hhatfield | ~roulette noone |
| 23:14.33 | ibot | ACTION watches noone pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:14.34 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 23:14.35 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:14.50 | hhatfield | ~lart Chuck Norris |
| 23:14.50 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Chuck Norris |
| 23:14.58 | hhatfield | $lart Chuck Norris |
| 23:14.58 | captbrogers | ~roulette |
| 23:14.58 | ibot | ACTION watches captbrogers pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:14.58 | raifbot | hhatfield are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 23:14.58 | Monnok | $8ball if you roulette someone, is it always BANG? |
| 23:14.58 | raifbot | Monnok - Without a doubt. |
| 23:15.03 | captbrogers | Dang. |
| 23:15.26 | hhatfield | $roulette you |
| 23:16.05 | hhatfield | ~roulette you |
| 23:16.05 | ibot | ACTION watches you pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:25.54 | skinner | ~roulette ibot |
| 23:25.54 | ibot | ACTION watches ibot pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:28.22 | macnewbold | ninnypants: hhatfield: actually our april presentation at UPHPU will be about responsive design |
| 23:28.57 | hhatfield | macnewbold: who's doing it? |
| 23:28.58 | macnewbold | clintberry: what's the title for your presentation next week? |
| 23:28.59 | skinner | $say ~roulette raifbot |
| 23:29.01 | macnewbold | hhatfield: wps |
| 23:29.13 | macnewbold | ~say $roulette ibot |
| 23:29.13 | ibot | $roulette ibot |
| 23:29.19 | hhatfield | macnewbold: depends on the day… usually above 60 |
| 23:29.22 | skinner | ~say ~roulette ibot |
| 23:29.22 | ibot | ~roulette ibot |
| 23:29.33 | macnewbold | ~roulette skinner |
| 23:29.33 | ibot | ACTION watches skinner pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:30.25 | *** part/#uphpu pelaofeliz (~pelaofeli@216.51.68.1) |
| 23:30.59 | clintberry | macnewbold: Advanced PHP Deployment Strategies |
| 23:31.03 | clintberry | man, that sounds boring |
| 23:31.15 | macnewbold | clintberry: "with Phing" |
| 23:31.15 | clintberry | Maybe I should spice it up |
| 23:31.20 | macnewbold | ? |
| 23:31.21 | clintberry | There you go :-) |
| 23:31.25 | macnewbold | "and Spice" |
| 23:31.27 | clintberry | Yeah, with Phing |
| 23:31.29 | skinner | ~roulette himself in the mirror. He ponders his fake existance, picks up the gun, and laughs. A voice in his head...pull the trigger...pull the trigger.... |
| 23:31.29 | ibot | ACTION watches himself in the mirror. He ponders his fake existance, picks up the gun, and laughs. A voice in his head...pull the trigger...pull the trigger.... pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:31.48 | hhatfield | clintberry: Phing Spice? |
| 23:31.49 | macnewbold | ~skinner++ |
| 23:31.54 | macnewbold | Spicy Phing |
| 23:32.01 | captbrogers | Would have been better with a click |
| 23:32.08 | skinner | lol |
| 23:32.17 | macnewbold | ~hhatfield++ |
| 23:32.40 | captbrogers | ~karma |
| 23:32.40 | ibot | captbrogers has karma of 4 |
| 23:32.46 | captbrogers | ~captbrogers |
| 23:32.46 | ibot | [captbrogers] the anti-Mac |
| 23:32.52 | clintberry | LOL, any of the above works for me |
| 23:33.14 | hhatfield | and with that… it's quittin' time |
| 23:33.18 | skinner | ~skinner captbrogers |
| 23:33.18 | ibot | ACTION buries captbrogers in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 23:33.28 | hhatfield | ~skinner skinner |
| 23:33.28 | ibot | ACTION buries skinner in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 23:33.36 | captbrogers | ~skinner |
| 23:33.36 | ibot | skinner is the mod which completely ruined Haste's perfectly good and efficient OSkin. |
| 23:33.44 | macnewbold | ibot, captbrogers is also failing |
| 23:33.44 | ibot | macnewbold: okay |
| 23:33.49 | macnewbold | ~captbrogers |
| 23:33.49 | ibot | i heard captbrogers is the anti-Mac, or failing |
| 23:34.14 | macnewbold | ~why is captbrogers the anti-Mac? |
| 23:34.15 | ibot | why not? |
| 23:34.18 | macnewbold | ~lolstats |
| 23:34.18 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 3623. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 569 (15.7%), carmony -- 491 (13.6%), SunSparc -- 444 (12.3%) |
| 23:34.23 | macnewbold | ~flee |
| 23:34.23 | ibot | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 23:34.28 | carmony | $lart macnewbold |
| 23:34.28 | raifbot | slams macnewbold against a large cement Tux. |
| 23:34.28 | captbrogers | Because I am the harbringer of death to Macs |
| 23:34.30 | skinner | ibot, captbrogers is also afraid |
| 23:34.30 | ibot | skinner: okay |
| 23:34.42 | skinner | ~captbrogers |
| 23:34.42 | ibot | i guess captbrogers is the anti-Mac, or failing, or afraid |
| 23:34.46 | carmony | SunSparc: I need ya to lol more :P |
| 23:35.08 | captbrogers | macnewbold: Macs suspiciously fail and die in my possesion |
| 23:35.22 | macnewbold | oh, I thought it was talking about me :-/ |
| 23:35.32 | skinner | $8ball Does carmony wait until the middle of the night when everyone is asleep to spam 'lol'? |
| 23:35.32 | raifbot | skinner - Very doubtful. |
| 23:35.52 | skinner | $8ball what about TuxToaster? |
| 23:35.52 | raifbot | skinner - Yes. |
| 23:35.59 | skinner | ha! |
| 23:36.02 | macnewbold | $lart TuxToaster |
| 23:36.03 | raifbot | stuffs TuxToaster into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it. |
| 23:36.06 | captbrogers | I dislike his retinas |
| 23:36.12 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:36.54 | skinner | ibot, captbrogers is also sometimes he feels a dislike towards his retinas |
| 23:36.54 | ibot | okay, skinner |
| 23:36.56 | carmony | I'm going to log in during the middle of the night as macnewbold and lol until I can't lol no more :P |
| 23:37.02 | captbrogers | ~captbrogers |
| 23:37.02 | ibot | you are, like, the anti-Mac, or failing, or afraid, or sometimes he feels a dislike towards his retinas |
| 23:37.24 | SunSparc | carmony: hehe |
| 23:37.34 | captbrogers | I have the most akward pride thing right now |
| 23:37.40 | carmony | ~lolstats macnewbold |
| 23:37.40 | ibot | macnewbold has said lol 0 times (0.0 %) |
| 23:37.46 | captbrogers | lol |
| 23:37.47 | carmony | *gasp* |
| 23:37.47 | skinner | carmony: Too bad the irc servers block you from typing the same thing a few times in a row... |
| 23:37.55 | skinner | not that I've tried |
| 23:38.00 | skinner | ...in the middle of the night... |
| 23:38.03 | carmony | skinner: Oh, I'll script it :P |
| 23:38.03 | skinner | >.> |
| 23:38.08 | captbrogers | This has quickly devolved into a conversation that makes my day better |
| 23:38.09 | carmony | ~lolstats skinner |
| 23:38.09 | ibot | skinner has said lol 45 times (1.2 %), ranked 13/104 (percentile: 12.5 %) |
| 23:38.09 | skinner | lol |
| 23:38.16 | SunSparc | skinner: it has been done ;) |
| 23:38.17 | herlo | lol |
| 23:38.25 | herlo | ~lolstats herlo |
| 23:38.25 | ibot | herlo has said lol 368 times (10.1 %), ranked 5/104 (percentile: 4.8 %) |
| 23:38.28 | SunSparc | Behold... |
| 23:38.32 | SunSparc | ~karma IE |
| 23:38.32 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 23:38.33 | carmony | ~ie |
| 23:38.33 | ibot | ie is, like, the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil, or the worst browser in the entire universe and it should be eliminated by any means possible |
| 23:38.37 | carmony | haha |
| 23:38.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:39.05 | herlo | nice! |
| 23:39.15 | carmony | SunSparc, how did you do that by the way? What client did you use? |
| 23:39.55 | skinner | ibot, ie is also the spawn of evil, nay all evil spawns from ie |
| 23:39.55 | ibot | skinner: okay |
| 23:40.07 | skinner | ~ie |
| 23:40.07 | ibot | [ie] the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil, or the worst browser in the entire universe and it should be eliminated by any means possible, or the spawn of evil, nay all evil spawns from ie |
| 23:40.20 | carmony | lol |
| 23:40.22 | carmony | gah |
| 23:40.25 | carmony | Got to stop that |
| 23:40.42 | SunSparc | carmony: Hmm... it has been a while. If I remember correctly I employed a bot... |
| 23:40.45 | skinner | ibot, lolstats is a system to store lol stats |
| 23:40.45 | ibot | skinner: okay |
| 23:40.49 | skinner | ~lolstats |
| 23:40.49 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 3628. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 569 (15.7%), carmony -- 492 (13.6%), SunSparc -- 445 (12.3%) |
| 23:40.54 | skinner | oh :( |
| 23:41.20 | SunSparc | At the time I was probably using Colloquy |
| 23:42.07 | skinner | ibot, skinner_reminder is Take out the trash |
| 23:42.07 | ibot | skinner: okay |
| 23:42.11 | skinner | ~skinner_reminder |
| 23:42.11 | ibot | [skinner_reminder] Take out the trash |
| 23:42.14 | skinner | sweeeet |
| 23:42.21 | SunSparc | Man, TuxToaster you keep widening the lol distance between us. |
| 23:43.19 | skinner | Heck ya |
| 23:43.24 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:43.28 | captbrogers | You could also use it to measure the amount of time it takes for someone to get a joke |
| 23:43.34 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:43.37 | SunSparc | Good call |
| 23:43.54 | skinner | so it's a time measurement |
| 23:43.55 | skinner | ? |
| 23:44.10 | skinner | 16 lol-seconds to get the joke |
| 23:44.15 | SunSparc | time... space... it's all the same |
| 23:44.19 | captbrogers | "Two goldfish are in their tank, one turns to the other and says, 'I will get the guns, you drive.'" |
| 23:44.19 | captbrogers | "It took him 2 lol-years to get it!" |
| 23:44.25 | SunSparc | LOL!!! |
| 23:45.01 | skinner | My drive home is a boring 8-lol drive |
| 23:45.16 | skinner | takes me 16 lols to get through the first lol |
| 23:45.20 | influx | How do you factor latency and the time it took for the person to see the joke? |
| 23:45.37 | SunSparc | skinner: Need to listen to some Brian Reagan while you drive. |
| 23:45.46 | skinner | influx: using a "lolgorithm" |
| 23:45.51 | SunSparc | influx: technicalities |
| 23:45.58 | captbrogers | 2 x (pi)^2 / 1.5 x sqrt(lol) |
| 23:45.59 | SunSparc | skinner: lol |
| 23:46.08 | SunSparc | rofl |
| 23:46.23 | captbrogers | I keep running that equation but all I get is "Trolololol" from my calculator |
| 23:46.24 | SunSparc | ~roflstats |
| 23:46.49 | SunSparc | captbrogers: stop, you are making me actually lol, not just limh |
| 23:47.32 | skinner | captbrogers: that formula can be simplified into this lolgorithm: 26.3189 x sqrt(lol) |
| 23:47.32 | captbrogers | Well I did get my degree from Rofl U in Lolonomics |
| 23:49.02 | skinner | I have a Phd from there in Mechanical LOL Theory |
| 23:49.16 | captbrogers | skinner, now you made me break out the white board to double check your work |
| 23:50.31 | captbrogers | If we don't use square by a negative...carry the one...find the common denominator...reticulate the splines... |
| 23:51.04 | captbrogers | No no, skinner got it wrong. It's 26.318889 x sqrt(lol) |
| 23:52.26 | skinner | I'm using the rounding standards set forth in the 19th annual swiss lol-standards conference from last week. |
| 23:52.49 | skinner | lolscientists and lolmaticians from all over attended |
| 23:52.52 | skinner | I didn't see you there |
| 23:53.05 | captbrogers | Oh well, that would explain the difference. I was using the Italian offset of LMAO |
| 23:53.29 | skinner | Ya those standards were voted out at the conference. |
| 23:53.46 | captbrogers | When the resulting loss of mass is calculated, it's clear where the difference is |
| 23:53.48 | skinner | S'ok though. Previous lol-standards are still acceptable |
| 23:54.08 | skinner | I just like to stay up to date on my lol-standards :) |
| 23:54.38 | captbrogers | Well that's just silly, voted out. Next you'll tell me that Rofl-copters are no longer an acceptable theory |
| 23:56.03 | skinner | Oh they are, just the new modified type adds IRL stealth based on troll technology. The new modifications allow for an easier lol so as to not force it. |
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| 23:57.09 | captbrogers | Sorry, decided to play Minecraft |
| 23:57.38 | skinner | The ROFLMAO corporation paid 13 billion LOL's up front for the R&D |
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| 23:59.54 | carmony | .lol |
