| 00:04.51 | TuxToaster | gah, so array_merge_reecursive is annoying. |
| 00:05.15 | TuxToaster | you'd think they would have an option of whether or not to overwrite or append values |
| 00:06.41 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 00:06.41 | raifbot | beats eggyknap severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken. |
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| 05:26.20 | mgeary_ | any postgres users around? |
| 05:26.56 | herlo | hey mgeary_ |
| 05:27.00 | mgeary_ | heya |
| 05:27.06 | mgeary_ | why isn't this working: |
| 05:27.10 | mgeary_ | SELECT milvar_t.id FROM milvar_t milvar_t WHERE (milvar_t.mil = 'y') |
| 05:27.14 | mgeary_ | oops, hang on |
| 05:27.18 | mgeary_ | SELECT milvar_t.id FROM milvar_t WHERE (milvar_t.mil = 'y') |
| 05:27.32 | herlo | k |
| 05:27.34 | mgeary_ | it's telling me "column milvar_t.id does not exist" |
| 05:27.39 | mgeary_ | but it does |
| 05:27.55 | mgeary_ | oh |
| 05:27.57 | mgeary_ | heh |
| 05:27.59 | herlo | select id from milvar_t where mil = 'y'; |
| 05:28.08 | mgeary_ | maybe it doesn't. i hate inheriting schemas |
| 05:28.12 | herlo | lol |
| 05:28.23 | herlo | glad I could help by doing nothing :P |
| 05:28.28 | mgeary_ | who makes tables without primary keys?! |
| 05:28.35 | mgeary_ | sigh |
| 05:28.36 | herlo | people |
| 05:28.39 | herlo | who |
| 05:28.40 | herlo | should |
| 05:28.41 | herlo | be |
| 05:28.43 | herlo | shot! |
| 05:28.53 | herlo | :-D |
| 05:29.05 | mgeary_ | sheesh |
| 05:30.04 | mgeary_ | bah, okay, well is there a simple way to add a primary key column after the fact? |
| 05:33.36 | herlo | alter table? |
| 05:33.47 | mgeary_ | http://pointbeing.net/weblog/2008/03/mysql-versus-postgresql-adding-an-auto-increment-column-to-a-table.html |
| 05:34.23 | mgeary_ | that seems to have done it |
| 05:34.29 | mgeary_ | gonna file that one away |
| 05:35.02 | mgeary_ | so, when we going skiing again? |
| 05:35.13 | herlo | mgeary_: was thinking about that |
| 05:35.23 | herlo | probably 3/10 |
| 05:35.30 | herlo | or 3/9 if you can swing it |
| 05:36.03 | mgeary_ | okay, i'll aim for that |
| 05:36.08 | mgeary_ | though 3/10 is more likely |
| 05:36.32 | herlo | gotta figure out what to do about boots, poles, gloves, hat and goggles. Still haven't recovered those :( |
| 05:36.45 | mgeary_ | woah |
| 05:36.49 | herlo | I'll probably just buy some demos from somewhere. |
| 05:36.55 | mgeary_ | ALL that stuff was left up at Snowbasin? |
| 05:36.58 | herlo | yeah |
| 05:37.02 | mgeary_ | i thought it was just your poles |
| 05:37.03 | mgeary_ | jeeze |
| 05:37.25 | herlo | no, I got so distracted worrying about Shaun, I left them on the sidwalk |
| 05:37.31 | herlo | s/sidw/sidew/ |
| 05:37.31 | mgeary_ | understandable |
| 05:37.42 | mgeary_ | he's doing fine now, i take it? |
| 05:37.45 | herlo | they are rentals. |
| 05:38.03 | herlo | yeah, he's just fine. Was here in San Fran with me and the family the whole weekend. Had a great time |
| 05:38.09 | mgeary_ | cool |
| 05:38.32 | herlo | yep. Will probably spend a bit of money next week to get that all sorted out. |
| 05:38.42 | herlo | at least my family remains intact :) |
| 05:38.47 | mgeary_ | main thing |
| 05:38.55 | mgeary_ | can't buy a new 11yo |
| 05:39.09 | mgeary_ | well, you can, but they're generally malnourished, and have crappy attitudes |
| 05:39.10 | herlo | right |
| 05:39.22 | herlo | lol, the latter is normal for 11yos anyway :) |
| 05:39.25 | mgeary_ | hahaha |
| 05:39.34 | herlo | rolfmao |
| 05:40.17 | herlo | s/lf/fl/ |
| 05:41.57 | herlo | mgeary_: anyway. Will let you know if I get everything replaced this next week. |
| 05:42.07 | mgeary_ | sounds good |
| 05:42.15 | mgeary_ | we went night skiing at Sundance on Saturday |
| 05:42.33 | mgeary_ | was the worst conditions i've ever skiied. Super icy |
| 05:42.52 | mgeary_ | we still had a good time, but it'll be nice to go somewhere with actual snow |
| 05:44.14 | herlo | indeed |
| 05:46.52 | Utah_Dave1 | herlo: did Shaun have an accident? |
| 05:48.48 | herlo | Utah_Dave1: yeah, he had a concussion on the first run at snowbasin a couple weekends ago |
| 05:49.12 | Utah_Dave1 | oh, dang. Glad to hear he's doing well now. |
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| 16:35.54 | mahelious | trying to do irc over the phone is a nightmare. |
| 16:36.03 | captbrogers | bah ha ha |
| 16:36.23 | captbrogers | Yeah |
| 16:37.52 | clintberry | Can anyone get to http://www.mysql.com/ ? |
| 16:43.05 | mahelious | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mysql.com |
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| 16:44.50 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:44.51 | raifbot | beats clintberry severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken. |
| 16:48.12 | clintberry | mahelious: Thanks, I bookmarked that link so I don't have to ask anymore :-) |
| 16:48.43 | mahelious | never hurts to ask, just in case |
| 16:49.58 | TuxToaster | mahelious: well, in his case, it did hurt to ask. He got beat with a rubber chicken. :P |
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| 17:13.17 | carmony | for everyone's morning enjoyment: |
| 17:13.18 | carmony | http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/ |
| 17:14.02 | hhatfield | $8ball is British really a language? |
| 17:14.03 | raifbot | hhatfield - Cannot predict now. |
| 17:14.51 | hhatfield | $8ball do Americans speak better English than the British? |
| 17:14.51 | raifbot | hhatfield - Yes - definitely. |
| 17:15.16 | nickdc | :) I posted that yesterday |
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| 17:19.55 | mahelious | carmony: cheerio! ;) |
| 17:34.35 | macnewbold | the british php article is _awesome_ |
| 17:34.47 | macnewbold | even my wife found it funny, and she doesn't even program. |
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| 17:38.09 | mahelious | it's like being in grade school again. does anyone have a question? yes, please let me restate everything i said over the last ten minutes. |
| 17:38.54 | skinner | Sorry I'm late professor, I just got here. Could you go over that material again? |
| 17:45.27 | mgeary | is this going to be on the test? |
| 17:53.26 | carmony | lol |
| 17:53.35 | carmony | I had a professor who was very, very, very good |
| 17:53.44 | carmony | at explaining things, answering questions |
| 17:54.04 | carmony | but if you asked a dumb question like (is this going to be on the test), oh, he made you feel like you asked a dumb question |
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| 17:55.23 | carmony | the worst thing you could do was ask "I don't get it." |
| 17:57.31 | jsmith | There are no stupid people, just stupid questions? |
| 18:09.29 | TuxToaster | carmony: I don't get it |
| 18:09.31 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 18:09.45 | hhatfield | $lart TuxToaster |
| 18:09.46 | raifbot | resizes TuxToaster 's terminal to 40x24. |
| 18:10.26 | xtrementl | technically.. that's a statement not a question |
| 18:11.05 | hhatfield | I don't get it? |
| 18:11.33 | xtrementl | lol |
| 18:11.50 | xtrementl | so you're not sure if you get it or not? |
| 18:12.46 | hhatfield | I don't know. |
| 18:12.59 | hhatfield | ~roulette |
| 18:13.00 | ibot | ACTION watches hhatfield pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 18:13.15 | hhatfield | $save hhatfield |
| 18:13.16 | raifbot | asks the President to please pardon hhatfield |
| 18:13.52 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 18:13.52 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: Click! |
| 18:14.09 | carmony | TuxToaster: lol |
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| 18:16.58 | TuxToaster | seems like if you're dead.... |
| 18:17.03 | TuxToaster | just sayin. |
| 18:17.06 | hhatfield | $8ball can one really $save themselves? |
| 18:17.06 | raifbot | hhatfield - Yes. |
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| 18:18.31 | hhatfield | TuxToaster: I think you have your answer |
| 18:18.34 | hhatfield | $lart TuxToaster |
| 18:18.35 | raifbot | sends a legion of lawyers after TuxToaster 's head. |
| 18:18.49 | hhatfield | TuxToaster: now save yourself |
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| 18:22.25 | mahelious | ~roulette |
| 18:22.25 | ibot | ACTION watches mahelious pull the trigger: Click! |
| 18:22.37 | mahelious | ~roulette-topten |
| 18:22.55 | mahelious | hmm? |
| 18:23.09 | TuxToaster | ~roulettestats |
| 18:23.10 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 18:27.37 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 18:27.37 | raifbot | Chuck Norris was ordered to go to court once but the judge never showed up. |
| 18:28.06 | TuxToaster | So... it has come to this. |
| 18:28.19 | TuxToaster | (http://xkcd.com/1022/) |
| 18:28.22 | Monnok | lol |
| 18:28.56 | clintberry | lol that is awesome |
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| 18:55.48 | mgeary | mindjuju: http://pressthink.org/2012/02/npr-tries-to-get-its-pressthink-right/ |
| 18:55.59 | mgeary | apropos our NPR-bias discussion a bit ago |
| 18:56.11 | mgeary | they're doing it right, imo |
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| 19:43.39 | carmony | the macbook air only comes with 4GB of ram that is soddered into the motherboard? sheesh :P |
| 19:44.20 | josephscott | but it is very light and portable |
| 19:44.31 | josephscott | I know several folks who love their 13" Airs |
| 19:45.10 | josephscott | I'm hoping for an awesome macbook pro air 15" |
| 19:45.21 | josephscott | please apple, grant my wish ;-) |
| 19:46.12 | captbrogers | ~captbrogers |
| 19:46.12 | ibot | somebody said captbrogers was the anti-Mac |
| 19:46.20 | captbrogers | And so it was. |
| 19:51.35 | TuxToaster | josephscott: rumor is they will be refreshing the pro line to be more like the Air's by the end of the year |
| 19:51.40 | TuxToaster | take it with a bowl of salt. |
| 19:51.49 | josephscott | yep |
| 19:52.02 | josephscott | I'm hoping for well before the end of the year though |
| 19:52.21 | josephscott | basically I'd love an air with 8GB of RAM and a real video card |
| 19:52.32 | josephscott | no optical drive, more battery |
| 19:53.17 | josephscott | in about a month my current laptop will be 5 years old, time to strongly consider an update |
| 19:55.01 | clintberry | mgeary: I totally missed the NPR-bial discussion. Bummer |
| 19:58.36 | TuxToaster | josephscott: yeah, I'd venture that there will be more evidence on it by early summer if it's true. They typically refresh laptops at least twice a year (Jan-Feb and Sept-Oct) as well as sometimes in June-July a minor bump, and usually the Air's see updates around July also. |
| 19:59.18 | TuxToaster | this year though, I don't believe they have made any changes at all yet, so it lends to the idea a bit that they are holding off for some changes. |
| 20:03.31 | clintberry | I live by this thing: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Air |
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| 20:14.00 | stderr- | http://vimbits.com/ |
| 20:17.12 | mgeary | clintberry: it wasn't much of a discussion. IIRC, i asked mindjuju to come up with examples of NPR's bias. Not that i felt there weren't any, but that i had maybe become so used to it I didn't see it. |
| 20:18.11 | clintberry | mgeary: My dad and I have this debate all the time. :-) It's a good time. Did you hear when NPR commissioned a study to see if they had bias? |
| 20:18.29 | mgeary | no. link> |
| 20:18.30 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:18.49 | mgeary | or results? |
| 20:18.59 | captbrogers | mgeary: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/02/16/how-biased-is-your-media/ |
| 20:19.10 | captbrogers | Lists NPR among their results of biased media |
| 20:19.20 | mgeary | my assumption is that the extent to which they have a bias, it's expressed in their selection of news to report on, rather than HOW that reporting is done |
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| 20:20.26 | clintberry | mgeary: They based it on guests, and a bunch of other stuff. I'll find it. it was awesome. Very interesting stuff. |
| 20:20.53 | captbrogers | I think you are right about how bias is classified |
| 20:21.47 | stderr- | captbrogers: You mean a list compiled by fairly extreme conservatives classifies NPR as biased. |
| 20:22.00 | stderr- | Groseclose / Milyo |
| 20:24.03 | captbrogers | I'm not saying they aren't either, but I'd like to see someone find a truly non-biased media. I'm of the opinion that everyone is biased in some way, including myself |
| 20:24.22 | captbrogers | Just my two bits |
| 20:25.01 | mgeary | clearly, but selection bias is much harder to detect than reporting bias (or whatever the proper term is) |
| 20:25.29 | stderr- | Of course you're not going to find a truly non-biased media, because media == people. But people who think NPR is biased in the same way FOX or MSNBC is are high. |
| 20:25.40 | stderr- | s/is/are |
| 20:25.56 | clintberry | Dang it, I can't find it. I'll keep looking, but one of the most fascinating things was that the ratio of "Liberal leaning" people to "Conservative Leaning" people was only 2:1 which was the most balanced of any radio or tv news |
| 20:25.58 | josephscott | according to that study linked to, Newshour with Jim Lehrer has the best middle score |
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| 20:26.42 | clintberry | Fox news was like 40:1 conservative. So funny |
| 20:26.57 | stderr- | the Groseclose / Milyo "study" is one of the most ridiculous things ever, and is a great proving point that economists are fairly retarded when it comes to dealing with complexities. |
| 20:28.09 | captbrogers | I haven't done any study on it, I just find the whole media bias claim as simply the pot calling the kettle black. Then I just lose interest and stare at a bird in the distance |
| 20:29.07 | captbrogers | I just provided the link because I thought it was the one that mindjuju was referring to but I could be wrong |
| 20:30.15 | Heartsbane | fungus: ping |
| 20:30.34 | fungus | Heartsbane, pong |
| 20:30.45 | Heartsbane | fungus: http://www.reddit.com/r/cableporn |
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| 20:31.03 | Heartsbane | I had to share with someone that could appreciate it |
| 20:31.07 | fungus | lol, a whole reddit section? |
| 20:31.11 | Heartsbane | Ya |
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| 20:38.24 | clintberry | NPR bias series. Unfortunately, you have to listen, no reading. It is good stuff though: http://www.onthemedia.org/tags/bias_series/ I'll find the one with the data they got |
| 20:40.17 | clintberry | and start at the bottom |
| 20:46.39 | clintberry | last message about NPR: This is the one with the data (although they admit it is next to impossible to track bias) : http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/mar/25/does-public-radio-have-a-liberal-bias-the-finale/ |
| 20:48.39 | stderr- | is that the one with Rosenstiel? |
| 20:49.58 | clintberry | Yeah |
| 20:53.08 | stderr- | you don't have to listen, btw. Just add /transcript to the end of any of those urls and it'll provide you a transcript |
| 20:53.26 | clintberry | Cool! Thanks :-) |
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| 21:18.10 | mgeary | noooooooooo |
| 21:18.10 | captbrogers | everyone hold on... |
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| 21:19.16 | josephscott | $lart netsplit |
| 21:19.16 | raifbot | slaps netsplit upside the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:19.55 | romanovic | its like being in a different dimension. What happened on the other side of #uphpu during those 2 minutes? |
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| 21:51.32 | Heartsbane | $rlart |
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| 22:05.05 | influx | ping |
| 22:14.53 | hhatfield | pong |
| 22:15.14 | hhatfield | $8ball is a 9 minute ping acceptable? |
| 22:15.14 | raifbot | hhatfield - Better not tell you now. |
| 22:18.32 | dezertol | a 9 minute ping? |
| 22:18.40 | dezertol | lol I woudln't have waited long enough to see that |
| 22:19.08 | dezertol | I dont' even wait that long for sql statements.. let alone a ping request |
| 22:19.09 | hhatfield | that's how long it took someone to respond to influx |
| 22:19.23 | dezertol | ah.. |
| 22:19.35 | dezertol | talking about people.. not network traffic |
| 22:19.44 | dezertol | then ya.. 9 min is fine ;-) |
| 22:19.45 | hhatfield | :) |
| 22:20.07 | dezertol | unless it's to tell them the building is on fire |
| 22:20.26 | dezertol | or a hot tip on a rocking IOP |
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| 22:40.40 | hhatfield | did you mean IHOP or IPO |
| 22:40.52 | hhatfield | I got tips on neither. Just clarifying. |
| 22:40.56 | dezertol | IPO |
| 22:41.04 | dezertol | but.. I'd go with either |
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| 22:59.32 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqQ6Z-HmAqY |
| 23:12.27 | mahelious | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyPDQpel8bI&feature=relmfu |
| 23:12.38 | mahelious | something to help you through the last mile today. |
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