| 00:16.52 | influx | ~ie-- |
| 00:18.05 | mgeary | oh great |
| 00:18.08 | mindjuju | hmm, i wonder if that throws off the karma |
| 00:18.08 | mgeary | ~karma ie |
| 00:18.08 | ibot | ie has karma of -667 |
| 00:18.11 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 00:18.14 | mgeary | influx: just broke it |
| 00:18.20 | mgeary | ~beat influx |
| 00:18.20 | ibot | ACTION beats influx with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 00:18.22 | mindjuju | ~ie++ |
| 00:18.28 | mindjuju | ~karma ie |
| 00:18.28 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 00:18.40 | mindjuju | harmony has been restored to the universe |
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| 00:25.44 | captbrogers | Wow |
| 00:25.59 | captbrogers | I was left forever alone there for a minute |
| 00:26.44 | mindjuju | must have been lonely on the dark side of the IRC server |
| 00:26.53 | captbrogers | It was |
| 00:26.57 | captbrogers | I began to cry a little |
| 00:27.24 | mindjuju | we've got to work on getting your karma score up |
| 00:27.32 | mindjuju | maybe you should help nuns cross the street or something |
| 00:27.33 | influx | $lart mgeary |
| 00:27.34 | raifbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of mgeary. |
| 00:27.34 | captbrogers | I know, it is low |
| 00:27.41 | captbrogers | ~karma skinner |
| 00:27.41 | ibot | skinner has karma of 1 |
| 00:27.47 | captbrogers | ~karma captbrogers |
| 00:27.47 | ibot | captbrogers has karma of 3 |
| 00:27.56 | mindjuju | oh hey! i know, you could post an abstract to UTOSC call for papers! |
| 00:28.00 | influx | ~karma influx |
| 00:28.00 | ibot | influx has karma of 13 |
| 00:28.05 | captbrogers | ... |
| 00:28.06 | mindjuju | that alone could change your karma by... |
| 00:28.07 | influx | My lucky #. |
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| 00:28.14 | mindjuju | HUGE amounts! |
| 00:28.35 | captbrogers | I'm still thinking about that, but I'm just not sure I have enough "content" to present on, it seems like it could really be done in 10-15 minutes |
| 00:28.53 | mindjuju | what topic? |
| 00:30.25 | captbrogers | The importance of not just documenting what you do, but understanding that your documentation is part of the UX |
| 00:31.08 | mindjuju | why did i know that |
| 00:31.14 | mindjuju | have you mentioned it in here before? |
| 00:31.25 | captbrogers | No, you read my mind. |
| 00:31.29 | mindjuju | btw, i think you'd have MORE than an hour's stuff easily |
| 00:31.30 | captbrogers | Erm, yes, I did. |
| 00:32.11 | captbrogers | I have my wife's support to do it, so I may but I just worry I'm going to get up there, get stage fright, a bunch of crickets will chirp and it will be the longest and most awkward 30 minutes of everyone's life. |
| 00:32.41 | captbrogers | Basically 30 minutes of socially awkward penguin standing in front of everyone |
| 00:33.05 | mindjuju | there are slots for 30 min, 1 hr and 3 hr workshops |
| 00:33.31 | captbrogers | No way I could do more than 30 minutes |
| 00:33.32 | mindjuju | and never underestimate the value of a good Q&A |
| 00:33.49 | mindjuju | or a best practices round where others chime in on what they are doing |
| 00:33.56 | mindjuju | software packages they are using, etc |
| 00:35.15 | mindjuju | don't let me break your arm forcing you to present |
| 00:35.24 | mindjuju | i promise to stop just prior to the snapping point ;) |
| 00:35.46 | captbrogers | Uncle? |
| 00:36.06 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:36.26 | captbrogers | My god, he had yellow eyes! |
| 00:37.01 | mindjuju | Who is Scott Farcus? |
| 00:37.27 | captbrogers | Winner winner bacon. |
| 00:38.07 | mgeary | oh no he's not |
| 00:38.13 | mgeary | his name is Scut, not Scott |
| 00:38.20 | mindjuju | was it really? |
| 00:38.24 | mgeary | it really was |
| 00:38.32 | mgeary | Scut Farkus |
| 00:38.50 | mindjuju | i know the movie was based on a book called "In God we trust... all others pay full price" |
| 00:38.53 | mindjuju | or something like that |
| 00:39.40 | mgeary | In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash |
| 00:39.40 | mindjuju | oh, all others pay cash |
| 00:39.47 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 00:40.10 | mgeary | or at least a little admiration |
| 00:40.12 | mindjuju | ~give mgeary a BLT where B = "applewood bacon"; |
| 00:40.12 | ibot | ACTION gives a BLT where B = "applewood bacon"; to mgeary |
| 00:40.41 | clintberry | mindjuju: You are one of the guys in charge of UtahOS conf? |
| 00:41.20 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:41.58 | clintberry | Cool. I'll submit an abstract. I always enjoy running my mouth about my passions. |
| 00:42.11 | mindjuju | awesome! what were you thinking of speaking on? |
| 00:42.32 | clintberry | I love open source telephony stuff. I think I mentioned it here before. I would want to talk about Plivo.org |
| 00:43.15 | clintberry | But if you and the committee think that stuff is old news, I won't be offended. I just love it |
| 00:43.36 | mindjuju | hey hang on, phone |
| 00:44.17 | skinner | Anyone have any ideas or recommendations to have an ajax call continually poll a server every 5 seconds that returns a message and a code. The javascript updates the browser with the message and as long as the code is 0, the javascript keeps polling... |
| 00:44.20 | skinner | ? |
| 00:45.18 | clintberry | skinner: That sounds pretty straight forward, are you asking if there are libraries to make that easier? Are you using PHP on the server? |
| 00:45.39 | skinner | yes, and yes. |
| 00:46.23 | clintberry | so you simply add a setinterval for 5000 millis that calls your ajax function. Are you using jquery? |
| 00:46.47 | skinner | ya, i guess more specifically, the problem I'm dealing with is PHP related....where to store the message and code |
| 00:47.06 | skinner | I have a script that could run for like 3 - 4 minutes |
| 00:47.07 | captbrogers | clintberry: skinner and I work together, this is a continuation from a problem we were having earlier |
| 00:47.15 | clintberry | The session issue |
| 00:47.20 | captbrogers | Correct |
| 00:47.29 | skinner | ya |
| 00:47.38 | skinner | and we can't use a database |
| 00:48.09 | skinner | a file on the server, in my mind would cause too much I/O issues on the disk |
| 00:48.09 | clintberry | I didn't follow the thread all the way to the end before, so this didn't get resolved, I guess. No database, and the session is giving you grief? |
| 00:48.12 | skinner | but maybe not |
| 00:48.13 | captbrogers | The session is being locked, and the first file that is running (the one actually doing the work) updates fast enough that we are not sure how to get messages out in a way that won't eat up I/O, use a database, etc |
| 00:48.30 | clintberry | I see. |
| 00:48.46 | captbrogers | We looked at using HTML5 web sockets, but IE is completely unsupported at this time so that's out |
| 00:48.53 | clintberry | socket.io |
| 00:49.02 | clintberry | but let me check if there is a PHP implementation |
| 00:49.07 | skinner | almost seems like it'd be nice to have an open connection the PHP script could just push messages to... |
| 00:49.24 | skinner | until completion or error, then the connection is closed |
| 00:50.08 | clintberry | shoot, no PHP implementation for socket.io, just node and python. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6398887/using-php-with-socket-io |
| 00:50.56 | captbrogers | that's what I thought too |
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| 00:52.39 | clintberry | node.js is so perfect for push/commet type stuff. But that is probably out of the question for you guys if the tech has already been decided |
| 00:53.24 | skinner | it has |
| 00:53.32 | clintberry | mindjuju: I think so too. It allows you to create your own Twilio, so you don't have to be locked in to their stack |
| 00:53.36 | captbrogers | It has, and it is for a client so it would be difficult to convince them to do it for just this |
| 00:53.48 | skinner | especially since they want it working as soon as yesterday |
| 00:53.57 | mindjuju | you should totally present on this |
| 00:53.59 | skinner | and they requested this feature friday |
| 00:54.05 | clintberry | skinner: ha ha, I know that situation well |
| 00:54.15 | skinner | and they want first release in a week |
| 00:54.18 | skinner | :) |
| 00:54.43 | clintberry | mindjuju: I'll submit my abstract. Will probably only be 30 minutes. I can stretch it out with examples and such. Do you need more 30 minute presentations or hour longs? |
| 00:54.44 | captbrogers | I'm dealing with the front-end stuff |
| 00:55.36 | captbrogers | So any of the AJAX/jQuery things I'm pretty sure I've got covered |
| 00:55.42 | clintberry | skinner: Okay, give me the scenario again. javascript hits ajax1.php and then... sorry for the re-explain, I just want to wrap my head around where the second file comes in |
| 00:55.51 | captbrogers | I got the explains |
| 00:56.46 | captbrogers | Button is clicked starting importer.php that takes up to 5 minutes complete. During it's processing, it is updating a session variable. |
| 00:57.15 | captbrogers | checkStatus.php is hit from my javascript that checks that session variable being set by importer.php |
| 00:57.53 | captbrogers | it hangs on the ajax call to checkStatus.php because importer.php is locking the session until it is finished executing. |
| 00:58.09 | captbrogers | At which point it is useless to use checkStatus.php because the front-end updates saying it's done |
| 00:58.34 | clintberry | I completely see now. Let me think on this one |
| 00:59.35 | clintberry | Okay, so can you close a session and re-open in the same script I wonder |
| 01:03.07 | clintberry | captbrogers: http://konrness.com/php5/how-to-prevent-blocking-php-requests/ |
| 01:03.40 | skinner | We can close a session |
| 01:04.12 | skinner | but sometimes the script that is writing the messages to the session could write 5 messages within a second |
| 01:04.50 | skinner | mindjuju: when is it again? |
| 01:05.00 | mindjuju | this will prolly be the 3rd night since Monday i'll have had >4 hrs sleep, but now that this is auth i've got to start pushing sponsorships |
| 01:05.06 | mindjuju | skinner may 3 - 5 |
| 01:05.17 | mindjuju | conference.utos.org |
| 01:05.34 | clintberry | FYI: 80% off adobe products http://slickdeals.net/f/3977588-80-Off-Adobe-Student-And-Teacher-Edition-Software-Acrobat-X-Pro-24-Photoshop-CS5-Extended-40-Creative-Suite-5-5-Master-Collection-180-amp-More |
| 01:05.48 | mindjuju | d00d, we got TONS of space at UVU for the conference |
| 01:05.56 | mindjuju | rooms galore |
| 01:06.43 | skinner | how does one sign up to attend? |
| 01:06.56 | mindjuju | that part is rolling out shortly |
| 01:06.56 | skinner | and whats the damage to the pocketbook? |
| 01:06.56 | skinner | :) |
| 01:07.23 | mindjuju | as a member of the UPHPU community the LUG discount brings it to $35 |
| 01:07.24 | mindjuju | BUT |
| 01:07.31 | mindjuju | i'm finalizing a team price |
| 01:07.43 | mindjuju | so if you want to bring your coworkers, there WILL be a discount |
| 01:07.52 | mindjuju | signficiant discount |
| 01:07.57 | mindjuju | without the misspelling of course |
| 01:10.49 | mindjuju | skinner, do you work with a team of people? |
| 01:11.54 | skinner | "team" is such an intersting way to put it |
| 01:12.03 | skinner | there are like 5 full time contractors |
| 01:12.09 | skinner | and 20 part-time students |
| 01:13.16 | skinner | If you are familiar with Blackboard, our company has a contract with BYU building an in-house replacement for Blackboard. |
| 01:13.53 | skinner | but maybe it could be a "team" from my company |
| 01:14.19 | skinner | guess that would work |
| 01:19.10 | mindjuju | srry, another phone call |
| 01:19.44 | mindjuju | i wouldn't have a prob with the 5 coming in on the team price, the 20 extra, maybe i should put in provisions for larger teams going up that high? |
| 01:20.05 | mindjuju | i'll mull it and get back with you, i know they may not come or you may not need it, but it's good to think about it |
| 01:23.04 | mindjuju | ok gents, i got to pull out and head in for a CS midterm, wish me luck |
| 01:23.14 | captbrogers | have fun |
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| 07:26.10 | skinner | if anyone happens to be in here at this hour, and you know about protected functions in an object with PHP, feel free to speak up. :) |
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| 15:50.18 | clintberry | captbrogers: Did you solve your session problem? I had an idea |
| 15:56.11 | captbrogers | No we didn't, what's the idea? |
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| 16:03.34 | clintberry | captbrogers: The problem is that your php file that checks the session variable hangs because the session is still being written to by the original PHP script, correct? |
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| 16:08.14 | captbrogers | Correct |
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| 16:08.48 | captbrogers | We would have the same problem with writing to a file, and HTML5 sockets won't work because IE doesn't have support. We can't use Java or Flash either |
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| 16:10.21 | clintberry | captbrogers: I think the difference with using a file is you can open and close it several times during script execution, but sessions don't give you that kind of control. |
| 16:10.35 | clintberry | once you write_close a session, you can't open it for writing again |
| 16:11.47 | captbrogers | We were even running into a problem that it wasn't seeing an update at all, so the boss is telling us we might have to just abandon the idea and put out a message that if the zip file that is used in the import is over a certain file size, just call us |
| 16:12.07 | mahelious | we need a new tag for html5, kindof a complement to <noscript>... |
| 16:12.40 | mahelious | <notarealbrowser>We're sorry, we noticed you were using Internet Explorer. Please get a real browser and then come on back.</notarealbrowser> |
| 16:13.23 | captbrogers | <hml4> ? |
| 16:14.05 | mahelious | it would also apply to lynx, just to screw with stallman |
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| 16:14.41 | clintberry | mahelious: HTML5 boilerplate does that for you with the IE specific tags |
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| 16:15.05 | clintberry | but they only do it if someone is using IE6. You could adjust it to 8 and lower if you wanted though |
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| 16:20.14 | clintberry | mahelious: This is the code: <!--[if lt IE 7]><p class=chromeframe>Your browser is <em>ancient!</em>... <![endif]--> |
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| 16:52.32 | tierra | captbrogers: so you can't offer DB-backed sessions as an alternative to file-backed sessions? |
| 16:55.36 | hhatfield | captbrogers: sorry I had to run off yesterday. still dealing w/ the session issue? |
| 16:56.57 | captbrogers | We looked at using files, but bosses ultimately decided too much of our resources had be used trying to fix this and we need to get moving on other things so they are abondoning the idea |
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| 17:26.32 | mindjuju | let this be a lesson to you all, don't use cat5 cables that have the locking mechanism broken off!! - http://news.yahoo.com/faulty-wire-error-blamed-faster-light-particles-233455932.html |
| 17:26.35 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 17:26.53 | mindjuju | it doesn't say it was a cat5 cable, i'm just joking about that |
| 17:26.59 | captbrogers | Except that was fiberoptic cables |
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| 17:35.58 | mindjuju | you know, if hitches are good enough for CERN, then they are good enough for me! |
| 17:36.16 | mindjuju | hey, why'd the server go down? (me), must be the hitches! |
| 17:36.34 | captbrogers | That many nerds in one place and still a cable gets tripped over, just goes to show it's still a valid reason things went wrong |
| 17:37.08 | mindjuju | exactly! |
| 17:39.16 | captbrogers | I think it was when I was at UVU I was told that there wasn't room in the budget to get a server so that the design classes could have a place to upload work to so a student that worked for the university suggested getting an old Xbox and converting it into a web server |
| 17:40.37 | captbrogers | They did it, it worked, and then after a year the student left and his replacement wasn't told that the Xbox in the server room is a server and not to touch it, after a few months the design classes complained that the server was down. They finally tracked down where the Xbox was supposed to be and found it missing. They asked the new student where it was and he said he took it to another room so he could play but it was busted and wouldn't load any games |
| 17:41.18 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 17:41.19 | captbrogers | Someone should have put a sticky note on it saying not to unplug it |
| 17:41.43 | captbrogers | So whenever I hear the "someone tripped over the power cable" I always think of that story |
| 17:52.59 | fungus | That is why design students shouldn't be building "servers". |
| 17:53.38 | captbrogers | It worked in a pinch, but they seriously should have done something to get a budget for a small server |
| 17:53.43 | captbrogers | It really isn't that much money |
| 17:54.04 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 17:54.04 | raifbot | If you have five dollars and Chuck Norris has five dollars, Chuck Norris has more money than you. |
| 17:55.07 | captbrogers | Speaking of.. |
| 17:58.18 | captbrogers | $chuck-fact |
| 17:58.18 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can strangle you with a cordless phone. |
| 18:10.07 | beandog | lol |
| 18:10.44 | beandog | captbrogers: wow thats an awesome story |
| 18:10.48 | beandog | I wonder if I can requisition an xbox |
| 18:22.13 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 18:22.14 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Cloudy 32f / 0c Humidity: 44% Wind: NW at 9 mph |
| 18:27.17 | hhatfield | $weather 30518 |
| 18:27.17 | raifbot | 3hhatfield - 0,2current weather for 30518 - Clear 69f / 21c Humidity: 65% Wind: SW at 14 mph |
| 18:27.40 | hhatfield | curse that Georgia and its nice weather |
| 18:28.12 | hhatfield | $lart Georgia |
| 18:28.13 | raifbot | decapitates Georgia conan the destroyer style. |
| 18:41.05 | influx | Conan the Barbarian remake was pretty good. :) |
| 18:43.38 | josephscott | a surprise http://www.nospoiler.com/y/RB2GboGOuTI |
| 19:27.59 | hhatfield | what are some of the 'must-attend' conferences out there |
| 19:28.01 | hhatfield | ? |
| 19:35.57 | josephscott | depends on what you are looking for a I suppose |
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| 19:42.11 | hhatfield | I went to php|tek last year in Chicago |
| 19:42.42 | captbrogers | I know it's front-end but I benefitted greatly from jQuery Conf |
| 19:42.54 | hhatfield | we have budget to send several devs to conferences each year. I'm sitting this one out, but am looking for recommendations for the other guys |
| 19:43.15 | josephscott | http://omniti.com/surge/2012 is interesting, I went to the first one they had |
| 19:43.46 | captbrogers | I hear SXSW and An Event Apart are also pretty good |
| 20:09.02 | romanovic | captbrogers: so, to follow up a previous conversation, are you going to try out thrust vps? |
| 20:09.16 | captbrogers | I believe I am, just have to wait for the next payday to do it |
| 20:09.50 | captbrogers | I think I'm going to just go with a 1GB OpenVZ server, cut my VPS cost in half |
| 20:13.57 | unum | so I need help understanding how I should be using transactions |
| 20:14.17 | unum | I'm using mdb2, hopefully that doesn't matter too much |
| 20:14.28 | unum | I need to select and lock a row from a table |
| 20:15.03 | unum | I expect a dozen or so people to be trying to select a row at the same time |
| 20:18.51 | fungus | with most db engines. just wrap your transaction queries in BEGIN and COMMIT. Then the engine will handle all the locking, etc. |
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| 20:21.24 | josephscott | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422200_2892289260316_1052807469_32867766_895686221_n.jpg |
| 20:21.30 | josephscott | thinking of carmony :-) |
| 20:21.56 | captbrogers | Heh, I thought you found my profile picture |
| 20:25.13 | carmony | LOL |
| 20:25.59 | captbrogers | http://ditoforge.com/profile.jpg |
| 20:26.06 | xtrementl | lol awesome |
| 20:26.10 | carmony | mindjuju: hey, hows the CfP doing? |
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| 20:31.07 | captbrogers | Speaking of mindjuju, just submitted my idea for a presentation |
| 20:55.39 | unum | I think the frog is still there despite the otters |
| 21:00.02 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 21:00.02 | raifbot | eats ninnypants's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. |
| 21:03.04 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 21:03.04 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can strangle you with a cordless phone. |
| 21:06.56 | hhatfield | $lart Chuck Norris |
| 21:06.56 | raifbot | hhatfield are you insane? I'm not risking a round house kick from Chuck just to satisfy your lart'ing needs. |
| 21:07.14 | hhatfield | haha |
| 21:07.18 | hhatfield | $lart Charles Norris |
| 21:07.19 | raifbot | pours gasoline all over Charles Norris, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze. |
| 21:07.32 | ninnypants | ~roulette |
| 21:07.33 | ibot | ACTION watches ninnypants pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:07.50 | hhatfield | dang it… it's Carlos Norris. Shoulda known |
| 21:10.30 | hhatfield | ~roulette |
| 21:10.30 | ibot | ACTION watches hhatfield pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:12.38 | captbrogers | ninnypants: what? |
| 21:13.07 | ninnypants | just looking at your resume |
| 21:13.17 | captbrogers | Really? |
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| 21:13.28 | captbrogers | I need to update that |
| 21:13.31 | ninnypants | there's an error in the php btw |
| 21:13.44 | ninnypants | line 31 is missing "; |
| 21:13.54 | captbrogers | I figured, I wrote that a while ago and would just update a little bit as I changed jobs |
| 21:13.55 | ninnypants | I thought about doing a resume like that once |
| 21:17.28 | captbrogers | Fixed that, and I seriously need to update that |
| 21:17.34 | captbrogers | Out of date by a few months |
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| 21:24.47 | ninnypants | captbrogers: you should write an output function into it |
| 21:30.47 | fungus | I have a confession. Installing and setting up Win 2k8 + SQL Server is less unpleasant than SLES + Oracle. |
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| 21:32.05 | fungus | Yes, it's embarrassing but true. |
| 21:32.22 | fungus | Though Ubuntu + MySQL is actually pleasant. |
| 21:32.35 | captbrogers | I've been thinking of writing an actual script that shows a nice page then save it as .phps and output that to the browser when they go to the resume folder |
| 21:32.54 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 21:32.54 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in only three moves. |
| 21:33.00 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:33.06 | TuxToaster | ~roulette |
| 21:33.06 | ibot | ACTION watches tuxtoaster pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:33.33 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: did you get your session thing figured out yesterday? |
| 21:33.51 | captbrogers | No, we went postal and started killing sessions left and right. It was a massacre |
| 21:34.04 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 21:35.45 | influx | I always thought Chuck could win a game of Connect Four in one move. |
| 21:36.09 | influx | A roundhouse to the face. |
| 21:41.41 | josephscott | fungus: has setting up Oracle ever been pleasant? |
| 21:42.02 | josephscott | I haven't had to do it for several years, so hopefully it has gotten a little bit better since then |
| 21:42.12 | fungus | Not that I'm aware of. I was mostly surprised how bad SLES still is. |
| 21:42.53 | josephscott | Ubuntu FTW ;-) |
| 21:44.19 | captbrogers | I hated that some professors at UVU wrote a book about SLES 9 and refused to stop teaching as if it were the latest version available after SuSE 11 came out |
| 21:49.17 | mindjuju | hmm, deus ex : HR = $10 and HR augmented is $13 |
| 21:49.21 | mindjuju | maybe i'll buy it now |
| 21:50.02 | fungus | mindjuju, yes, buy them now. They are fun. |
| 21:50.29 | fungus | captbrogers, that sucks. SLES9 is awful. |
| 21:52.07 | captbrogers | Yeah, and I did everything through command line and it confused my teacher |
| 21:52.20 | fungus | yast makes me vomit |
| 21:53.34 | captbrogers | The image he was using for virtual box was broken and networking wasn't working. I had to figure it out in class and fix it for him, I just facepalmed |
| 21:55.35 | captbrogers | I said in class, "So it's...*puts on sunglasses*...net-not-working?" |
| 21:56.23 | mindjuju | wait wait a minute |
| 21:56.26 | influx | $lart captbrogers |
| 21:56.26 | raifbot | hits captbrogers with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha. |
| 21:56.30 | mindjuju | captbrogers - you go to uvu? |
| 21:56.41 | captbrogers | Did, a few years back |
| 21:56.57 | mindjuju | this class you're talking about, when did you take it |
| 21:57.02 | mindjuju | i had a similar situation |
| 21:57.12 | captbrogers | ...2009 I think? |
| 21:57.24 | mindjuju | oh no, this would have been a couple semesters back |
| 21:58.16 | captbrogers | Yeah, 2010 I was at SUU and 2009 I was at UVU |
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| 22:31.47 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 22:31.48 | raifbot | If Superman and The Flash were to race to the edge of space you know who would win? Chuck Norris. |
| 22:32.04 | mindjuju | ~lart chuck |
| 22:32.04 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on chuck |
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| 22:38.00 | mindjuju | ~greet beandog |
| 22:38.00 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on beandog |
| 22:39.00 | beandog | yo |
| 22:51.14 | Monnok | ~rlart |
| 22:51.14 | ibot | wallops jsmith with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 22:51.41 | jsmith | Yowsers... |
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| 22:59.22 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:59.22 | raifbot | judo chops macnewbold. |
| 22:59.34 | macnewbold | ~retaliate TuxToaster |
| 22:59.45 | TuxToaster | yay |
| 23:01.06 | TuxToaster | ~sharkattack macnewbold |
| 23:01.18 | macnewbold | ~bdhit TuxToaster |
| 23:01.19 | ibot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on TuxToaster |
| 23:02.00 | TuxToaster | ..... ooookaaayyy |
| 23:02.12 | TuxToaster | ~wallop macnewbold |
| 23:02.12 | ibot | ACTION Grabs a rather large desk and bonks macnewbold about the head with it. |
| 23:03.35 | mindjuju | TuxToaster - try ~nyuk macnewbold |
| 23:03.59 | TuxToaster | ~nyuk macnewbold |
| 23:04.00 | ibot | ACTION grabs macnewbold nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 23:04.06 | TuxToaster | ouchies |
| 23:04.14 | mindjuju | 3 stooges FTW |
| 23:04.17 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:04.34 | macnewbold | ~dtdhit mindjuju |
| 23:04.34 | ibot | ACTION stikes at mindjuju with the honorable scorpion punch knocks out mindjuju and injures optikal! |
| 23:04.38 | macnewbold | ~dwhit TuxToaster |
| 23:04.38 | ibot | ACTION gives TuxToaster the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness |
| 23:04.51 | macnewbold | ~literal dwhit |
| 23:04.53 | mindjuju | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 23:04.53 | ibot | ACTION uses jumper cables to stun macnewbold! |
| 23:04.59 | macnewbold | ~literal dwhit $1 |
| 23:04.59 | ibot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on $1 |
| 23:05.14 | macnewbold | ~literal dwhit $who |
| 23:05.14 | ibot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on $who |
| 23:05.21 | macnewbold | bah |
| 23:05.27 | mindjuju | i wrote it if that's what you're asking |
| 23:05.29 | macnewbold | ~factoid dwhit |
| 23:05.30 | ibot | ACTION gives dwhit a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 23:05.44 | TuxToaster | what is ~literal? |
| 23:05.49 | macnewbold | mindjuju: i know - i'm trying to remember how to get one of the factoids/commands to show their definition |
| 23:06.05 | macnewbold | i can't remember how to do the substitution and alternation/random result stuff anymore |
| 23:06.08 | mindjuju | it's literal, but i don't remember the syntax |
| 23:06.14 | mindjuju | oh the substitution is |
| 23:06.18 | macnewbold | ~factinfo dwhit |
| 23:06.18 | ibot | there's no such factoid as dwhit, macnewbold |
| 23:06.23 | mindjuju | (option1|option2|option3) |
| 23:06.32 | macnewbold | ~factinfo dwhit $1 |
| 23:06.32 | ibot | there's no such factoid as dwhit $1, macnewbold |
| 23:06.35 | mindjuju | there is a max length that i ran into with chuckfact |
| 23:06.45 | mindjuju | but it's like 7 or 8 lines |
| 23:06.54 | macnewbold | ~keyword dwhit |
| 23:07.01 | macnewbold | ~help |
| 23:07.07 | TuxToaster | ~dtdhit raifbot |
| 23:07.07 | ibot | ACTION stikes at raifbot with the vulgar dragon technique causing a very bad flesh wound! |
| 23:07.07 | mindjuju | fungus or jsmith can tell you |
| 23:07.34 | macnewbold | ~listkeys dwhit |
| 23:07.43 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: folder permissions? |
| 23:07.46 | macnewbold | ~factinfo dwhit (.*?) |
| 23:07.46 | ibot | there's no such factoid as dwhit (.*?), macnewbold |
| 23:07.50 | fungus | ~literal cmd: dwhit (.*?) |
| 23:07.50 | ibot | "cmd: dwhit (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on $1|and $nick demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on $1's forehead|leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on $1| gives $1 the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness|launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at $1's pain)" |
| 23:08.09 | macnewbold | ~fungus++ |
| 23:08.17 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, but i didn't do anything but upgrad apache from 2.2 to 2.4 |
| 23:08.27 | TuxToaster | oi |
| 23:08.34 | TuxToaster | $lart apache |
| 23:08.34 | raifbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down apache's throat until apache puts on 150lbs. |
| 23:08.41 | mindjuju | i wonder if it is the namvirtualhost thing |
| 23:08.43 | macnewbold | ~rot13 TuxToaster |
| 23:08.43 | ibot | GhkGbnfgre |
| 23:09.05 | macnewbold | mindjuju: 403 is forbidden, no? what access control do you have? |
| 23:09.08 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: could be, if that's changed. |
| 23:09.25 | mindjuju | it's a winders box, but i have full admin |
| 23:09.35 | TuxToaster | ~leetspeak macnewbold |
| 23:09.38 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 23:09.44 | TuxToaster | ~reverse macnewbold |
| 23:09.52 | mindjuju | i don't have apache installed via the install application, it's apache installed via .zip file |
| 23:10.00 | fungus | mindjuju, does the user Apache runs as, have read access to the files in question? |
| 23:10.11 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: .... Windows box? |
| 23:10.41 | mindjuju | fungus, i'll double check TuxToaster - win 2k3 |
| 23:11.24 | TuxToaster | oi vey. |
| 23:11.56 | fungus | it can also be apache controlled access like macnewbold was referring to. |
| 23:21.17 | mindjuju | hmm, that's funny, everything i neede to know, i can find here , top of the list Authorizations - http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html |
| 23:21.34 | mindjuju | i'm sure i'll get a LART or a whallop from fungus for not having found this first |
| 23:23.34 | mindjuju | oh wow, maxrequestsperchild and maxclients both renamed |
| 23:23.38 | john_anderson | "htpasswd now uses MD5 hash by default on all platforms." :/ |
| 23:23.39 | macnewbold | nice |
| 23:25.09 | john_anderson | salted MD5 looks like. |
| 23:25.26 | mindjuju | i like salt |
| 23:34.06 | fungus | ~crypt $1$12345678$ Does ibot have crypt? |
| 23:34.06 | ibot | $1$12345678$ry3kREcoysIMFXZkpJAZb0 |
| 23:35.09 | mindjuju | sup john! |
| 23:35.17 | john_anderson | sup |
| 23:35.30 | fungus | ~crypt $6$abcdefgh$ Can ibot do SHA as well? |
| 23:35.30 | ibot | $6$abcdefgh$dEcqi7w07pBkQXQVEe9HuNlZJuw6RNVtthD3lXgIjKC6IAPMZA4S7qjprzKEeCo7wM4K/jaqBW2hzpYc5.OBV1 |
| 23:35.35 | mindjuju | you getting any sleep? how old is your baby? |
| 23:35.36 | john_anderson | just be glad I didn't stretch your keys. |
| 23:35.36 | fungus | fun |
| 23:36.44 | josephscott | $sha1 password |
| 23:36.45 | raifbot | josephscott - sha1( 'password' ) : 5baa61e4c9b93f3f0682250b6cf8331b7ee68fd8 |
| 23:37.29 | skinner | $sha1 5baa61e4c9b93f3f0682250b6cf8331b7ee68fd8 |
| 23:37.29 | raifbot | skinner - sha1( '5baa61e4c9b93f3f0682250b6cf8331b7ee68fd8' ) : 353e8061f2befecb6818ba0c034c632fb0bcae1b |
| 23:38.18 | fungus | interesting. Is there a hash that will hash to itself? |
| 23:39.38 | mindjuju | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/235785/is-there-an-md5-fixed-point-where-md5x-x |
| 23:40.32 | mindjuju | i think you should pose your question to PLUG mail list, i'm sure they are itching to opine |
| 23:40.38 | mindjuju | fungus^^ |
| 23:40.40 | josephscott | $md5 133tp@55w0rD |
| 23:40.41 | raifbot | josephscott - md5( '133tp@55w0rD' ) : d8a84ca16f49bfab08f3b62e87aa9ed7 |
| 23:41.57 | fungus | josephscott, but ibot's crypt output is usable in salted, and usable in unix passwd/shadow files. |
| 23:42.20 | fungus | s/usable in// |
| 23:42.31 | josephscott | $crypt secret |
| 23:42.31 | raifbot | josephscott - crypt( 'secret' ) : $6$kMXnAMY9$EYQzPuJuc4NdnFtnYU/HdopkGBMWjne98HNyyymsbNDFomVVEvxiiPMMtXDpKbYUoi1SvAJQ9O.mfXhHNV9Hw1 |
| 23:42.57 | fungus | nice, works just perfect. |
| 23:43.09 | josephscott | :-) |
| 23:43.56 | fungus | $crypt $1$12345678$ secret |
| 23:43.57 | raifbot | fungus - crypt( '$1$12345678$ secret' ) : $6$NSavvpuY$5SuJokPql//RX.1.FWW.VWR5wT3NKFlQIzmASrBgxrRew9rSNLA0.LqCx8HlIdJKH7g4Ch03pkLmBE4zn5atY. |
| 23:44.05 | fungus | doh. it's broken |
| 23:44.23 | fungus | kind of useless if you can't specify your own salt. |
| 23:44.36 | josephscott | http://us2.php.net/crypt |
| 23:44.54 | fungus | odd, the php function uses the salt as second param. |
| 23:45.00 | josephscott | easy enough to add though |
| 23:46.11 | fungus | oh, nvm, salt is supposed to be second param. |
| 23:46.36 | josephscott | :-) |
| 23:46.37 | fungus | ibot is just weird. |
| 23:47.50 | josephscott | $crypt awesomepassword supersalt |
| 23:47.50 | raifbot | josephscott - crypt( 'awesomepassword supersalt' ) : suMQQEXUVt5Fo |
| 23:47.58 | josephscott | hmmm, that isn't right |
| 23:48.56 | josephscott | $crypt blah |
| 23:48.56 | raifbot | josephscott - crypt( 'blah' ) : 778/ySU3A7bKo |
| 23:51.12 | josephscott | $crypt rasmuslerdorf $6$rounds=5000$usesomesillystringforsalt$ |
| 23:51.12 | raifbot | josephscott - crypt( 'rasmuslerdorf' ) : $6$rounds=5000$usesomesillystri$D4IrlXatmP7rx3P3InaxBeoomnAihCKRVQP22JZ6EY47Wc6BkroIuUUBOov1i.S5KPgErtP/EN5mcO.ChWQW21 |
| 23:51.21 | josephscott | fungus ^^ |
| 23:51.42 | josephscott | $crypt rasmuslerdorf |
| 23:51.43 | raifbot | josephscott - crypt( 'rasmuslerdorf' ) : $6$rounds=5000$1398279297$5IBpylkdmcwE4H/hFpU4hSwNcvuCbYK52JoHIEZoGmbrbpgn/DvOT9I3ztUim2zBOrUzPbU7nr7DN9FhePnfg/ |
| 23:52.24 | josephscott | I love being up to modify the bot command code on the fly, without having to restart the process |
| 23:52.39 | josephscott | s/being up/being up/ |
| 23:52.46 | josephscott | s/being up/being able/ |
| 23:54.15 | fungus | $cheer josephscott |
