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| 00:01.11 | herlo | they should just work! :P |
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| 01:57.56 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: having fun with rackspace again? |
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| 15:25.22 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
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| 15:45.26 | mindjuju | we used to have a rackspace server when i was with BGM, a streaming server, but i had to dump them because they kept killing the server :( |
| 15:46.00 | mindjuju | we later moved to influxis to stream videos, great service and i could always get a good engy on the phone on the case that i needed one |
| 15:49.53 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: we've been done for like 20 hours now |
| 15:50.53 | mindjuju | done with rackspace? |
| 15:51.16 | DexterTheDragon | s/done/down/ |
| 15:51.18 | DexterTheDragon | sorry |
| 15:51.26 | mindjuju | OUCH! |
| 15:53.09 | DexterTheDragon | ceaser and chris have been working nonstop since about 4pm yesterday to migrate everything to amazon |
| 15:54.49 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 15:54.51 | mindjuju | that sucks |
| 15:55.07 | mindjuju | so all of rackspace died? |
| 15:55.14 | mindjuju | multple accounts down? |
| 15:55.20 | DexterTheDragon | dude |
| 15:55.36 | DexterTheDragon | their STL datacenter router died |
| 15:55.45 | DexterTheDragon | which is where all our stuff was |
| 15:56.01 | DexterTheDragon | and their router is still dead as of now |
| 15:56.11 | mindjuju | wow |
| 15:56.42 | DexterTheDragon | and then between like 3-9pm yesterday they had planned "critical maintanence" in their DFW and ORD datacenters |
| 15:56.42 | mindjuju | you know, that's a good wake up call for having your stuff somewhere else in case that happens |
| 15:56.57 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to write an email to upper mangement to see what we can do to diversify |
| 15:56.59 | DexterTheDragon | so those datacenters were down |
| 15:57.29 | josephscott | watching entire DCs go offline is painful |
| 15:57.31 | DexterTheDragon | so I think all of rackspaces U.S. datacenters were down for a while yesterday |
| 15:57.46 | mindjuju | ouch ouch ouch |
| 15:57.51 | mindjuju | i'm so sorry |
| 15:58.00 | mindjuju | i'm REALLY going to send that email right now |
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| 16:00.18 | macnewbold | yeah, when it comes to eggs, there are benefits to multiple baskets |
| 16:01.05 | josephscott | managing and paying for the extra baskets isn't free though, which is why many people don't worry about them |
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| 16:03.50 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 16:03.50 | raifbot | In 1991, Chuck Norris shot a 14 on an 18 hole golf course, falling short of his personal best by 2 strokes. |
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| 16:08.05 | macnewbold | yeah, if I had to set it up, I'd probably find a pay-as-you-go place, where I could have something set up but idle/dark until I needed to spin it up, and have minimal cost for the "insurance policy" |
| 16:08.25 | macnewbold | the biggest hurdle to that is if you want current db data over there, and need to have db replication running to it or something. |
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| 16:17.34 | clintberry | If anyone is interested in a good build/deploy app built in PHP I found this built on top of Phing: https://github.com/CodeMeme/Phingistrano |
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| 16:59.55 | josephscott | carmony: new hire for ddna? |
| 17:00.21 | carmony | yup, we're hiring a part-time support person |
| 17:00.27 | carmony | since our boss currently does all the support |
| 17:01.13 | mindjuju | any luck with rackspace carmony? |
| 17:01.36 | carmony | mindjuju: oh, yeah, it wasn't an issue with their stuff |
| 17:01.47 | mindjuju | oh? |
| 17:01.50 | carmony | well, the tweet yesterday |
| 17:02.07 | carmony | I still haven't heard back about the fiasco that happened a few weekends ago |
| 17:07.35 | josephscott | carmony: you should have your boss do all the sysadmin stuff, motivation to hire a part time sysadmin ;-) |
| 17:07.41 | carmony | haha |
| 17:07.53 | carmony | well, its not too bad, here is why |
| 17:08.14 | carmony | freeing up more bandwidth on his end will lead him to having more time to work on the projects |
| 17:08.34 | carmony | which we're already tapped out on my webdev/ops end, so the next hire will likely be someone to help me out |
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| 17:50.16 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:50.16 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after ninnypants's head |
| 17:55.38 | wps | whip-it! |
| 17:55.38 | wps | whip-it good! |
| 17:55.52 | jsmith-away | split! splat! |
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| 17:56.37 | wps | freenode is skattin |
| 17:56.44 | captbrogers | Wow, lots of people all came on at the exact same moment |
| 17:56.56 | wps | net split |
| 17:57.05 | captbrogers | Yeah, I know, haven't seen one in years though |
| 17:57.13 | clintberry | crazy. |
| 17:57.33 | captbrogers | In fact, I haven't seen one since I was a little kid |
| 17:58.25 | clintberry | I am the only sucker using the freenode web based client, probably, so I stayed in... :-) |
| 17:59.13 | mahelious | looks like im connected through bulgaria for some reason. hitchcock... |
| 18:00.10 | mahelious | I think I saw freenode staff upgrading the irc daemon. probably has something to do with it. |
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| 18:03.54 | clintberry | the web-based client is kinda crappy. Has anyone used bip? http://bip.milkypond.org/ |
| 18:03.54 | captbrogers | I just use Pidgin |
| 18:03.54 | captbrogers | Seems like Macs have all the slick looking clients |
| 18:04.05 | clintberry | work firewall prevents direct access |
| 18:04.14 | captbrogers | Hate that |
| 18:04.23 | captbrogers | Overstock.com had the worst firewall, everything but 80 was blocked |
| 18:04.48 | clintberry | ouch. They are pretty open here, but irc ports seem to be specifically blocked |
| 18:05.25 | captbrogers | FTP, SSH, IMAP, and SMTP were all blocked |
| 18:05.34 | clintberry | wow. |
| 18:05.51 | captbrogers | I got in trouble for having my personal server listen for SSH on 8080 to get outside the network |
| 18:06.15 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 18:06.39 | clintberry | interesting that they noticed |
| 18:07.22 | captbrogers | Well, it was more of I told an old friend that also worked there at the time and he said that someone else got caught doing that so I quit before they came down on me but I could tell that people were watching what I was doing after I pulled that stunt |
| 18:08.04 | clintberry | oh man. That is a pretty strict place |
| 18:08.10 | captbrogers | And, being the anti-Mac, it was hard to be forced to have a MacBook and not have all the programs I wanted. |
| 18:08.34 | mgeary | awwww |
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| 18:08.59 | itimber | :) |
| 18:09.00 | captbrogers | Yeah, they were terrible with their policy, and I have no idea why. It's not like they had trade secrets, and a decent network plan could help prevent most problems |
| 18:09.37 | itimber | captbrogers: on the mac part only |
| 18:09.43 | itimber | I should clarify |
| 18:09.46 | captbrogers | I know, I know. First world complaint there, but I seriously don't like Macs on a personal basis. They aren't bad computers, but it's like I get an itch I can't scratch when I have to use one |
| 18:09.59 | captbrogers | itimber, I figured that's what it was for |
| 18:10.04 | itimber | ya |
| 18:10.29 | captbrogers | Oh, and I forgot to add clintberry, they also blocked IRC and any other chat ports |
| 18:10.41 | clintberry | So no UPHPU for you |
| 18:10.46 | captbrogers | Nope |
| 18:10.58 | captbrogers | I used the web based one for a week then it was added to the filter |
| 18:11.52 | clintberry | ha ha, they were definitely watching you |
| 18:12.03 | clintberry | Good thing they remove the filter here for the developers |
| 18:12.26 | captbrogers | I'm sure they were, I liked Linux, didn't think Macs were all that great, I am LDS, and I don't think that Ruby/Rails is going to take over the world |
| 18:13.21 | captbrogers | So I rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and I wasn't afraid to tell my bosses that I can deliver something on time if the spec doesn't change every day after I leave. If a project is going to take a week, I can't do it in a day when they decide to change everything the night before it's due |
| 18:15.00 | captbrogers | I'm sure I was going to be let go if I didn't quit when I did. When I started they were great, had great managers and had strict policies about deciding what to do then sticking with it. They made life hell for those managers so they left and things crumbled. An entire team of 8 front-end devs were cycled out in less than a year, yet they didn't seem to think that was an issue |
| 18:16.16 | captbrogers | Oh, and those management positions had a life span of less than three months. So every other month we had a new manager because no one could last |
| 18:16.31 | clintberry | sheesh |
| 18:16.37 | Monnok | sounds similar to my previous employer |
| 18:16.42 | mahelious | if programming languages were religious mascots... |
| 18:17.33 | captbrogers | My friend that worked there with me left them while he was their design team lead, but about a month ago the CEO emailed him asking him to come back as a design consultant. He said he'd do it for 250k/year |
| 18:17.35 | clintberry | mahelious: aren't they similar? p.s. ruby isn't going to take over the world, JavaScript is :-p |
| 18:17.46 | TuxToaster | oof, insane |
| 18:17.56 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 18:18.17 | Monnok | TuxToaster: we have pepper now, FYI. You can come back :p |
| 18:18.22 | TuxToaster | yay |
| 18:18.24 | captbrogers | mahelious: I laughed so hard one day when I asked one guy why Rails was so much better than PHP and he couldn't come up with anything other than, quite literally, "It just is." |
| 18:18.53 | mahelious | C for Catholics, then PHP for Protestants, MASM for Muslims and Lisp for Mormons... |
| 18:19.16 | clintberry | javascript for Jesuits |
| 18:19.30 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: I used to work with a guy that was that way about Perl |
| 18:19.40 | TuxToaster | I mean, sure, Perl can do some things better, no doubt |
| 18:19.43 | captbrogers | TuxToaster, it's not the language that bugs me, it's that attitue. |
| 18:19.49 | captbrogers | attitude |
| 18:19.52 | TuxToaster | but he just wanted to change everything to Perl just because. |
| 18:20.03 | captbrogers | Well, when you have a hammer... |
| 18:20.04 | clintberry | Yeah, and can't every language do something better than PHP? |
| 18:20.21 | TuxToaster | clintberry: WAT. lol |
| 18:20.30 | clintberry | WAT ha ha |
| 18:20.50 | captbrogers | Of course. PHP is just a horrible, out-dated, bloated language that should be left by the road-side to die. /sarcasm |
| 18:21.19 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: wait, I think you have a typo there, let me fix that for you |
| 18:21.19 | captbrogers | That's why we should all become enlightened and use Rails like the elites of programmers. |
| 18:21.26 | mahelious | PHP has made me into a pretty shabby programmer. I dont feel comfortable anymore in languages that dont have extremely robust array types. |
| 18:21.28 | captbrogers | TuxToaster, correct away |
| 18:21.30 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: Of course. Java is just a horrible, out-dated, bloated language that should be left by the road-side to die. /truth |
| 18:21.39 | captbrogers | lol |
| 18:21.52 | TuxToaster | I initially was tempted to say .NET, but it's not that dated (yet) |
| 18:22.01 | clintberry | mahelious: Is that because you want more control over memory management? |
| 18:22.24 | captbrogers | Every time I see 'lol' I want to do this: |
| 18:22.24 | captbrogers | \o\ To the windows... /o/ To the walls.... |
| 18:22.39 | TuxToaster | haha |
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| 18:22.56 | mahelious | no, i just like constructs like "foreach(array('a'=>'apple','b'=>'banana'...) as ..." |
| 18:22.57 | TuxToaster | every time josephscott sees lol he wants to do this |
| 18:22.59 | TuxToaster | ~lolstats |
| 18:22.59 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 3527. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 531 (15.1%), carmony -- 478 (13.6%), SunSparc -- 441 (12.5%) |
| 18:23.09 | carmony | .lol |
| 18:23.13 | captbrogers | Because I always see a person with their arms raised, not just 'lol' |
| 18:23.14 | carmony | I'm getting off that list ;D |
| 18:24.28 | clintberry | mahelious: Oh, I misunderstood. You don't want to switch away from PHP because it has made arrays so easy. |
| 18:24.33 | mahelious | right |
| 18:24.52 | SunSparc | |o| |
| 18:25.07 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: http://pastie.org/3382498 |
| 18:25.21 | mahelious | although my major complaint with PHP when I first started was how it lacked C'ish pointer tricks. for about 6 months I kept trying to use those and getting really frustrated when they didnt work. |
| 18:25.23 | SunSparc | 1o1 |
| 18:25.29 | TuxToaster | doesn't quite work with their font... but didn't want to paste here |
| 18:25.31 | captbrogers | TuxToaster, pretty much |
| 18:25.34 | mahelious | 7oL |
| 18:25.43 | Monnok | har |
| 18:25.44 | mahelious | like an egyptian |
| 18:25.51 | captbrogers | lol |
| 18:26.05 | clintberry | mahelious: I get frustrated at the core function naming sometimes. It doesn't seem consistent. But that is a small issue :-) |
| 18:26.17 | TuxToaster | l l .......o |
| 18:26.24 | SunSparc | Loster yer o |
| 18:26.24 | clintberry | ha ha beheaded |
| 18:26.55 | SunSparc | |o| <-- kinda looks like a tie fighter |
| 18:27.18 | mahelious | >o< -- x-wing |
| 18:27.22 | TuxToaster | (-o-) |
| 18:27.24 | SunSparc | Sweet |
| 18:27.33 | SunSparc | Gotta love ascii art |
| 18:27.44 | TuxToaster | o(-_-)o <-- monkey |
| 18:27.44 | mahelious | <( o_o )> |
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| 18:27.50 | TuxToaster | @(-_-)@ <--- Princess Leia |
| 18:27.55 | captbrogers | Let's use Kirby <(o.o<) |
| 18:27.56 | captbrogers | And make him put stuff over here (>o.o)> |
| 18:27.58 | mahelious | >( o_o)> |
| 18:28.07 | mahelious | <(o_o )< |
| 18:28.11 | captbrogers | mahelious: the flash? |
| 18:28.15 | mahelious | <( 0_0 )> |
| 18:28.21 | mahelious | kirby |
| 18:28.42 | TuxToaster | josephscott: we could always start saying LoL or Lol like some people do when texting. |
| 18:28.51 | TuxToaster | pretty sure ibot isn't smart enough to catch those... |
| 18:28.58 | TuxToaster | ~LoLstats |
| 18:28.58 | ibot | total count of LoL on #uphpu: 0 |
| 18:28.58 | josephscott | $mindtrick TuxToaster |
| 18:28.59 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) TuxToaster he can go about his business. |
| 18:29.06 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 18:29.09 | captbrogers | Shh...don't talk about him when he's here... |
| 18:29.23 | captbrogers | LoL |
| 18:29.34 | TuxToaster | ~lolstats |
| 18:29.35 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 3528. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 531 (15.1%), carmony -- 478 (13.5%), SunSparc -- 441 (12.5%) |
| 18:29.38 | TuxToaster | err |
| 18:29.43 | TuxToaster | ~LoLstats |
| 18:29.43 | ibot | total count of LoL on #uphpu: 1. Top 1: captbrogers -- 1 (100.0%) |
| 18:29.47 | captbrogers | Woot |
| 18:29.52 | TuxToaster | it's all you |
| 18:29.54 | captbrogers | Check that out, 100% of them |
| 18:30.04 | captbrogers | I feel accomplished now |
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| 18:30.51 | TuxToaster | $lart captbrogers |
| 18:30.52 | raifbot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up captbrogers. |
| 18:31.02 | SunSparc | ~award captbrogers |
| 18:31.10 | captbrogers | That...*puts on sunglasses*...sucks. |
| 18:31.13 | TuxToaster | *thunk* <high pitched whine coming from vacuum> |
| 18:31.30 | clintberry | ~ha hastats |
| 18:31.32 | clintberry | :-) |
| 18:31.54 | TuxToaster | ~RoRstats |
| 18:32.05 | TuxToaster | total count of people using Ruby on Rails on #uphpu: 0 |
| 18:32.09 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 18:32.18 | captbrogers | You don't say! |
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| 18:37.44 | wps | rails? |
| 18:37.46 | wps | what's rails? |
| 18:38.34 | mindjuju_ | rails is what i put my servers on when I want them to slide out of the rack |
| 18:38.44 | wps | ~rimshot |
| 18:38.44 | ibot | badum-TISH! |
| 18:38.52 | mindjuju_ | ;) |
| 18:39.05 | wps | mindjuju_: what's with the tail? |
| 18:39.14 | mindjuju_ | heaping pile o servers is not a good thing! |
| 18:39.35 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o mindjuju] by ChanServ |
| 18:39.36 | wps | trim(mindjuju_, '_'); |
| 18:45.20 | TuxToaster | wps: Notice: Use of undefined constant mindjuju_ - assumed 'mindjuju_' on line 1 |
| 18:45.31 | wps | :) |
| 18:45.50 | wps | good work |
| 18:46.34 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 18:46.40 | wps | error_reporting(0); |
| 18:46.54 | TuxToaster | that's what raifbot should do... any php code in the chat it should point out syntax errors :P |
| 18:47.13 | TuxToaster | wps: d'oh |
| 18:48.06 | mahelious | theres a bot i used back in the day that could hook into the php cli |
| 18:48.31 | mahelious | that was a neat trick, executing code from irc |
| 18:49.24 | TuxToaster | yup. bit of a security issue though if you're not careful |
| 18:49.42 | TuxToaster | I'd think just running snippets against php -l would be kind of cool though |
| 18:50.02 | TuxToaster | if nothing else just to help identify potential typos |
| 18:58.01 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 18:58.01 | raifbot | Chuck Norris died 20 years ago, Death just hasn't built up the courage to tell him yet. |
| 19:06.59 | fungus | no, it would be more fun to just execute all PHP code put in channel. |
| 19:19.48 | mahelious | luckily there are ways to disable exec, system, passthru and some of the other, nastier core stuff |
| 19:29.32 | fungus | No, that's boring. Leave all that fun stuff in. |
| 19:33.07 | captbrogers | So I just photoshopped an image of me and my kids, see if you can tell what I did |
| 19:33.07 | captbrogers | http://ditoforge.com/family%20fun.jpg |
| 19:34.17 | fungus | helmets and sword |
| 19:34.29 | captbrogers | Nope, I added "charge" at the bottom |
| 19:34.53 | fungus | lol |
| 19:35.41 | captbrogers | And did that in GIMP because I don't have photoshop. I think it doesn't look half bad considering I suck at doing graphic work |
| 19:38.26 | influx | captbrogers: Nice job. |
| 19:38.44 | influx | I think the rough edges actually add to the humor. |
| 19:39.19 | captbrogers | I think that my hand around the sword is what I'm most proud of, I'm not usually good at stuff like that |
| 19:39.39 | influx | :) |
| 19:42.11 | wps | what would you call a position that manages content in a CMS, performs QA, and coordinates meetings and tests for projects? |
| 19:42.25 | wps | it's a mixed role and I can't decide on a title |
| 19:43.02 | jsmith | Content Manager? |
| 19:43.29 | mgeary | agreed |
| 19:43.41 | mgeary | or Project Coordinator |
| 19:46.49 | wps | thanks |
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| 19:54.05 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 19:54.52 | JacobEdmondKerr | Hey guys when I make an instance of class a in class b and also make an instance of class b in class a it throws an error is there anyway I can avoid this? |
| 20:01.18 | macnewbold | ~wordstats |
| 20:01.49 | macnewbold | JacobEdmondKerr: that depends - where are you making the instance? in the constructors? |
| 20:02.10 | macnewbold | it sounds to me like you'd have a mutually recursive loop |
| 20:02.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yes |
| 20:03.00 | mgeary | quick, what's your uptime on the machine you're using right now? |
| 20:03.03 | JacobEdmondKerr | Oh makes sense. |
| 20:03.24 | macnewbold | One way to do it might be to pass in an instance when you call the constructor - |
| 20:03.36 | JacobEdmondKerr | If i was to put it somewhere else besides the construtor that would fix the problem huh |
| 20:03.42 | macnewbold | yes |
| 20:03.47 | JacobEdmondKerr | :) |
| 20:03.55 | macnewbold | you have to be able to make one without it trying to make the other which tries to make the first one again |
| 20:04.01 | macnewbold | you'd end up running out of memory after a while |
| 20:04.39 | JacobEdmondKerr | Makes sense. TY. |
| 20:04.47 | fungus | 137 days 7:25 |
| 20:06.04 | fungus | where machine = server i'm working on |
| 20:13.18 | mgeary | that's cheating |
| 20:13.27 | mgeary | 52 days, 18:57 |
| 20:13.35 | mgeary | i'm talking desktop/laptop machines :) |
| 20:13.56 | fungus | bummer, well then it's only 4 days, 22:00 |
| 20:14.08 | fungus | ran kernel updates last week. |
| 20:16.47 | skinner | Any self proclaimed Regular Expression guru's around? |
| 20:17.26 | skinner | or publicly proclaimed |
| 20:18.16 | skinner | I have a string: |
| 20:18.21 | skinner | <a href="http://llama.com" target="_new"> <img alt="Where's the llama pic?" border="0" src="@X@EmbeddedFile.location@X@scarfllama.jpg" /> </a> |
| 20:18.26 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: up 74 days, 21:14 |
| 20:18.38 | skinner | I'm wanting to return the file that happens after the @X@EmbeddedFile.location@X@ |
| 20:18.46 | skinner | I'm using this as my regular expression: |
| 20:18.55 | skinner | $pat = '/(?<=@X@EmbeddedFile.location@X@)[^]+?(?=")/'; |
| 20:19.27 | skinner | sorry, i mean this: |
| 20:19.33 | skinner | $pat = '(?<=@X@EmbeddedFile.location@X@)[^]+?(?=")'; |
| 20:19.37 | skinner | and I get an error: |
| 20:19.46 | skinner | Unknown modifier '[' |
| 20:20.45 | skinner | Google tells me about regex delimiters |
| 20:21.47 | skinner | so using # |
| 20:22.06 | skinner | $pat = '#(?<=@X@EmbeddedFile.location@X@)[^]+?(?=")+#'; |
| 20:22.09 | skinner | new error: |
| 20:22.09 | skinner | Compilation failed: missing terminating ] for character class |
| 20:22.13 | skinner | Any guidance? |
| 20:22.15 | fungus | [^] is probably a pain point. That means any character not matching "" |
| 20:23.33 | fungus | Also you have tons of unnecessary stuff in there. |
| 20:24.30 | fungus | '/@X@EmbeddedFile.location@X@([a-zA-Z0-9.]+)"/ |
| 20:25.03 | fungus | lol, if only I could grow a beard. |
| 20:25.47 | macnewbold | if you're coming on thursday, we could bring a beard for you if you want |
| 20:25.57 | macnewbold | everyone knows you've earned it many times over |
| 20:26.48 | skinner | fungus +1 internet sensei-beard |
| 20:31.12 | JacobEdmondKerr | Is it better to run small queries then lrg? For instance i have products in one table and the pricing in another. Should i run one query that will pull all the product with the pricing or should i loop through the products and for each increment pull the pricing (run a query). |
| 20:32.21 | fungus | 1 query as long as it is indexed well. |
| 20:32.45 | JacobEdmondKerr | So run one query? |
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| 20:34.46 | mgeary | you will get better performance that way, but most (all?) frameworks aren't designed around doing views like that, so you tend to then have to jump through other hoops to integrate various models into your view context |
| 20:35.27 | mgeary | so i often take the more maintenance-friendly method of doing things at the row-level |
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| 21:10.31 | mahelious | they have pre-wrapped sausages, but they don't have pre-wrapped bacon. |
| 21:16.28 | NoCoolName_Tom | can you blame them? |
| 21:22.47 | ninnypants | anyone here use leaflet.js? |
| 21:24.00 | macnewbold | JacobEdmondKerr: if you have to choose between 1 small query and 1 large query, usually the small query will perform better. If you're choosing between 1 large query and several small queries, it can go either way. But either way make sure the indexing is right, or both can get really bad. |
| 21:25.39 | Utah_Dave | ninnypants: I've played around with leaflet.js I'm going to start my first real project with it in a couple of weeks. |
| 21:27.02 | ninnypants | Utah_Dave: have you run into anything where most of the map won't load until you resize the map area? |
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| 21:28.42 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. No I don't think so. Sounds like it's not refreshing correctly until you force it by changing the size |
| 21:29.05 | ninnypants | this is even on the initial page load |
| 21:29.12 | ninnypants | which is really weird |
| 21:30.14 | Utah_Dave | do you have a link? |
| 21:33.14 | ninnypants | http://sparrowhawk.bigswing.us/#_we-are |
| 21:35.36 | Utah_Dave | ninnypants: Are all those divs nesting correctly? |
| 21:36.13 | ninnypants | Utah_Dave: as far as I know this is all the page really is <h2 class="page-title"><?php the_title(); ?></h2> |
| 21:36.14 | ninnypants | <div id="map" style="width: 100%; height: 90%;"></div> |
| 21:37.25 | mindjuju | I think UTOSC 2012 should have a music room with breaks playing |
| 21:37.30 | mindjuju | what you think DtD? |
| 21:37.33 | mindjuju | or dubstep |
| 21:37.43 | mindjuju | maybe both |
| 21:37.54 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: sounds good |
| 21:38.10 | Utah_Dave | I'd try that on a page by itself, without everything else, to see if it's leaflet or something else. |
| 21:40.48 | ninnypants | I changed the file my map scripts where in and it fixed it |
| 21:41.14 | ninnypants | not sure why since the file was from another page where the map was working fine |
| 21:41.24 | Utah_Dave | what did you change? |
| 21:42.28 | ninnypants | nothing with my map I just copied and pasted it into a different file and it worked |
| 21:42.58 | Utah_Dave | weird. Maybe there was an extra space or character somewhere that was causing it to choke. |
| 21:43.27 | ninnypants | my guess is it was being called before some setup was ready because the one file called it's scripts on domready and the other called them on load |
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| 21:43.53 | ninnypants | but like I said when it was in the other file it worked fine on a different page |
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| 21:50.38 | ninnypants | Utah_Dave: are you guys doing all your own tiles and things for the project? |
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| 21:54.14 | mindjuju | well shucks, here i thought they were taking advantage of the situation, seems like i was wrong about the TSA - http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/02/03/female-passengers-say-theyre-targeted-by-tsa/#comments |
| 21:59.56 | ninnypants | mindjuju: they were just making extra sure that lady wasn't dangerous |
| 22:00.47 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:01.01 | mindjuju | i love this quote from the TSA agent "After the third time, Terrell says even the agent seemed frustrated with her co-workers in the other room. “She’s talking into her microphone and she says, ‘Guys, it is not blurry, I’m letting her go. Come on out.’” |
| 22:04.34 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: classy! |
| 22:04.55 | Utah_Dave | ninnypants: Yeah, the ultimate goal is to host all our own tiles, etc. |
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| 22:05.20 | mindjuju | yeah i know huh |
| 22:06.16 | ninnypants | Utah_Dave: nice are you using TileMill |
| 22:07.15 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:07.15 | raifbot | slaps eggyknap upside the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:08.06 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I don't know why we would ever suspect they were taking advantage of anything |
| 22:08.13 | ninnypants | $lart TuxToaster |
| 22:08.13 | raifbot | frags TuxToaster with his BFG9000. |
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| 22:16.15 | TuxToaster | woo.... reading feedback on the site I'm working on from students that are beta testing it today. They're not impressed. |
| 22:17.02 | TuxToaster | which, I can't blame them -- it's not really 100% ready for them to test it and expect it to work perfectly, I'm still trying to finish up parts of it. |
| 22:24.10 | macnewbold | doh - giving it to real users too early can be rough |
| 22:24.35 | *** part/#uphpu captbrogers (~brian@128.187.196.197) |
| 22:24.54 | TuxToaster | especially when I've made it clear that features x, y and z aren't developed yet and someone insists on telling people that they are there |
| 22:25.13 | TuxToaster | and even better -- thinks they can be developed instantly. :-) |
| 22:25.56 | TuxToaster | got an email at 11:30 last night listing a bunch of last minute changes to be done before people started using it this morning. |
| 22:26.00 | TuxToaster | it's like... seriously? |
| 22:28.24 | TuxToaster | but the worst part of the feedback is so far quite a few people not seeing the point in using the site. Granted it's a small sample, but if people aren't interested in putting it to use then it's a hard sell |
| 22:30.47 | macnewbold | ah, good old Someone™ |
| 22:30.57 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:31.01 | jsmith | Looks like someone didn't set expectations appropriately |
| 22:31.07 | macnewbold | it doesn't happen to be the napper that sits over your shoulder sometimes, is it? |
| 22:31.36 | TuxToaster | no, that Someone™ doesn't pay attention when I tell him where things are at though. So he doesn't help. |
| 22:32.09 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: that's the biggest red flag to worry about - if you can show them a working site that for the most part does what it should, and they still don't see a point to using it, then there's a major problem with the business plan and market assuptions |
| 22:32.23 | TuxToaster | but this one hasn't been very active in the project for several months, just happens to be in town for 6 weeks, and seems to think he can rush in and be a savior |
| 22:32.53 | TuxToaster | not to mention he still has his own ideas about making the site into something different than what the rest of us are working on. |
| 22:33.01 | macnewbold | oh boy |
| 22:33.06 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 22:33.26 | macnewbold | well, if you ever decide you've had enough there… let me know :) |
| 22:33.28 | TuxToaster | needless to say, it's been a stressful week. |
| 22:33.30 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:33.33 | macnewbold | sounds like it |
| 22:36.13 | josephscott | $lart stressful weeks |
| 22:36.13 | raifbot | gets a hotmail account and SPAMs stressful weeks. |
| 22:36.21 | josephscott | hmm, I think that made it worse |
| 22:41.22 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:46.31 | influx | Fortune is so abusive some times. ;_; |
| 22:48.49 | TuxToaster | $lart Someone™ |
| 22:48.50 | raifbot | runs at Someone™ with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:48.58 | TuxToaster | meh. |
| 22:49.00 | TuxToaster | $lart Someone™ |
| 22:49.00 | raifbot | moos at Someone™. |
| 22:49.43 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 22:49.43 | raifbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of josephscott. |
| 22:49.54 | josephscott | hmm, that didn't feel good |
| 22:49.55 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:49.57 | TuxToaster | pwned |
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| 22:51.32 | josephscott | time for a reboot |
| 22:59.38 | mgeary | there goes his uptime |
| 23:01.22 | macnewbold | $uptime |
| 23:01.43 | fungus | ~uptime |
| 23:02.00 | macnewbold | !uptime |
| 23:05.46 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:05.46 | raifbot | judo chops cro. |
| 23:32.16 | macnewbold | $rlart |
| 23:32.16 | raifbot | whips out a sword and chops romanovic in half. |
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