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| 15:45.26 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 15:45.27 | raifbot | Chuck Norris got set on fire. The fire had to stop, drop, and roll. |
| 15:46.33 | josephscott | haha |
| 15:48.00 | carmony | lol |
| 15:48.51 | josePHPagoda | that'd be interesting to watch |
| 15:48.55 | josePHPagoda | i'd pay to see that |
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| 16:25.50 | josephscott | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-gps-ruling/ |
| 16:34.47 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
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| 16:51.48 | captbrogers | With all that has been happening lately, my crazy uncle Melvin doesn't seem quite so crazy now. |
| 17:01.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 17:24.59 | captbrogers | $chuck-fact |
| 17:25.00 | raifbot | The Great Wall of China was originally created to keep Chuck Norris out. It failed misserably. |
| 17:31.17 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:31.17 | raifbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Heartsbane's throat until Heartsbane puts on 150lbs. |
| 17:31.30 | josePHPagoda | whoah nellY! |
| 17:31.45 | captbrogers | That reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons |
| 17:31.57 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:32.03 | TuxToaster | mmmm..... donuts. |
| 17:32.07 | TuxToaster | is there anything they can't do? |
| 17:32.18 | josePHPagoda | reminds me of every episode of the Simpsons |
| 17:32.21 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 17:33.03 | TuxToaster | now I'm going to be picturing Homer screaming every time someone gets lart'ed |
| 17:34.22 | josePHPagoda | d'oh! |
| 17:37.20 | Heartsbane | I k33l u raifbot |
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| 17:40.46 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 17:40.46 | raifbot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on mgeary. |
| 17:41.12 | mgeary | oh great |
| 17:41.28 | PoeticIntensity | pretty rude for a Monday morning, josephscott, pretty rude.... |
| 17:41.58 | PoeticIntensity | $rlart |
| 17:41.59 | raifbot | slaps linagee upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
| 17:42.36 | TuxToaster | PoeticIntensity: and that wasn't rude? :P |
| 17:42.45 | josephscott | $8ball was that rude? |
| 17:42.45 | raifbot | josephscott - You may rely on it. |
| 17:42.48 | PoeticIntensity | :D |
| 17:42.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:05.31 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 18:05.31 | raifbot | Chuck Norris built Rome in a day. |
| 18:05.47 | captbrogers | I don't think it took him that long |
| 18:07.00 | josephscott | $8ball did it only take a few minutes? |
| 18:07.00 | raifbot | josephscott - You may rely on it. |
| 18:07.11 | captbrogers | There you go then |
| 18:07.24 | josephscott | $8ball are you ever wrong? |
| 18:07.24 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook good. |
| 18:07.34 | josephscott | not sure how to take that :-) |
| 18:07.44 | captbrogers | NEither do I |
| 18:09.29 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:09.41 | TuxToaster | well.. he just insinuated that Outlook is good, which we all know to be false. |
| 18:09.45 | TuxToaster | so, it was a proof. |
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| 18:13.24 | josephscott | $8ball are you ever wrong? |
| 18:13.25 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook not so good. |
| 18:13.37 | josephscott | now I'm really confused :-) |
| 18:13.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:14.08 | TuxToaster | I think he got them mixed up... should've responded with that one the first time. |
| 18:14.40 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 18:18.42 | macnewbold | $chuck-fact |
| 18:18.42 | raifbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris. |
| 18:21.10 | TuxToaster | $8ball is that true? |
| 18:21.11 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 18:21.29 | TuxToaster | lol. Chuck Norris is in raifbot's closet. |
| 18:21.40 | TuxToaster | and... now that I say that, I realize how awkward that sounds. |
| 18:40.51 | influx | Ahoy hoy. |
| 18:44.19 | TuxToaster | heh, shared this on FB yesterday: http://cl.ly/3d3A1I0i421C0o1Q2T1C |
| 18:46.51 | Monnok | except that doesnt really work on sharp, cutting objects. It is a step in the right direction ^^ |
| 18:55.59 | TuxToaster | yeah, and they still need to figure out how to solve the early detination problem so that they can't set it off before they get to the booth |
| 19:13.46 | influx | Who here works a lot with JavaScript? |
| 19:18.09 | carmony | influx: I've done a bit |
| 19:19.47 | unum | I've done a lot |
| 19:24.48 | mgeary | i have as well |
| 19:25.39 | influx | The place where I'm contracting is hiring for a developer position. They want to find a dev that knows his JS in and out. Don't know about pay though. |
| 19:26.27 | mgeary | ah. i'm not looking for new employment |
| 19:29.49 | unum | me either |
| 19:30.01 | unum | should probably find out details and email one of the job lists |
| 19:41.02 | carmony | yeah, I'm not looking for work either at the moment |
| 19:46.25 | clintberry | influx: Also, you can hit up people in #utahjs |
| 19:46.38 | clintberry | there are some pretty bright guys in there |
| 19:48.16 | influx | Thanks, clintberry. |
| 19:48.59 | josephscott | carmony: how'd uphpu go last week? |
| 19:49.12 | carmony | josephscott: went pretty well, Joanna did a really good job |
| 19:49.13 | TuxToaster | we had a party since josephscott wasn't there |
| 19:49.18 | carmony | she ended up taking the whole time |
| 19:49.20 | TuxToaster | err.. I mean... hi. |
| 19:49.33 | josephscott | cool, I was bummed I wasn't able to make it |
| 19:50.22 | josephscott | TuxToaster: parties in my absence are expected :-) |
| 19:51.35 | TuxToaster | wps: you around? |
| 19:51.41 | wps | yes |
| 19:52.01 | TuxToaster | mind if I pm? got a couple of questions for you |
| 19:52.09 | wps | go ahead |
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| 19:59.37 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 19:59.37 | raifbot | I bet Chuck Norris can't roundhouse kick me before I finish th...... |
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| 20:28.21 | carmony | Wow, I think this is the craziest 404 page I've ever seen...: http://kvartirakrasivo.ru/404/index.php |
| 20:28.46 | TuxToaster | sure that's not an under construction page? |
| 20:29.16 | TuxToaster | I mean, the URL says 404, the signs just don't match |
| 20:29.54 | carmony | lol |
| 20:30.20 | TuxToaster | although, I'd pay to see the stick figures doing that on construction signs |
| 20:30.34 | TuxToaster | would make it much more interesting. |
| 20:34.02 | fungus | If I have to sit through some crap flash loading for a 404, i'm even more upset than I would be w/ a fast 404 |
| 20:34.57 | TuxToaster | what, you don't want to wait 60 seconds to be told the URL is wrong? where's your sense of adventure? |
| 20:35.17 | fungus | lol |
| 20:35.27 | fungus | Died as soon as Flash started up. |
| 20:35.34 | TuxToaster | touché |
| 20:35.36 | fungus | ~flash-- |
| 20:40.05 | carmony | ~karma ie |
| 20:40.05 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 20:40.08 | carmony | lol |
| 20:42.13 | macnewbold | ~lolstats |
| 20:42.13 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 3417. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 500 (14.6%), carmony -- 465 (13.6%), SunSparc -- 420 (12.3%) |
| 20:43.47 | TuxToaster | ~karma flash |
| 20:43.47 | ibot | flash has karma of 34 |
| 20:43.56 | TuxToaster | how?? |
| 20:44.02 | TuxToaster | ~flash-- |
| 20:44.20 | fungus | ~flash-- |
| 20:44.20 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 20:44.28 | TuxToaster | ~karma flash |
| 20:44.28 | ibot | flash has karma of 32 |
| 20:44.33 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 20:44.37 | fungus | it has a rate limiter |
| 20:44.49 | mahelious | dont dis on flash, its not its fault. |
| 20:44.49 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 20:44.51 | itimber | ~rateLimiter-- |
| 20:44.55 | macnewbold | ~mahelious-- |
| 20:44.59 | itimber | haha |
| 20:45.06 | macnewbold | ~blame flash |
| 20:45.06 | ibot | ACTION blames flash (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:45.11 | mahelious | hate adobe for continuing to breathe life into the format |
| 20:45.12 | macnewbold | hahaha |
| 20:45.19 | macnewbold | ~adobe-- |
| 20:45.24 | macnewbold | ~blame adobe |
| 20:45.24 | ibot | ACTION blames adobe (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:45.29 | TuxToaster | I misread that as "ibot blames flash (and Carmony) for all the evil inthe world |
| 20:45.30 | ninnypants | some poor guy with the nick of flash is going to look at his karma later and wonder what happened |
| 20:45.42 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: lol |
| 20:45.54 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 20:45.57 | macnewbold | ~karma flash |
| 20:45.57 | ibot | flash has karma of 30 |
| 20:46.01 | macnewbold | ?? |
| 20:46.09 | fungus | ~flash-- |
| 20:46.15 | fungus | ~karma flash |
| 20:46.15 | ibot | flash has karma of 29 |
| 20:46.17 | TuxToaster | technically... |
| 20:46.21 | TuxToaster | ~blame Macrmedia |
| 20:46.21 | ibot | ACTION blames Macrmedia (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:46.26 | mahelious | apparently flash is some jerk from milan... |
| 20:46.27 | TuxToaster | it was their fault to begin with |
| 20:46.30 | mahelious | ~Flash-- |
| 20:47.00 | TuxToaster | karma Windows |
| 20:47.01 | fungus | (~jwmelto@bzflag/developer/Flash |
| 20:47.04 | TuxToaster | err |
| 20:47.06 | TuxToaster | ~karma Windows |
| 20:47.06 | ibot | windows has karma of -7 |
| 20:47.22 | mahelious | flash sucks, dreamweaver just sits there eating paste. |
| 20:47.35 | fungus | poor bzflag dev is gonna have crappy karma now. |
| 20:47.59 | mahelious | fireworks is my favorite graphics editor though. almost makes up for the other too. |
| 20:48.24 | TuxToaster | looks like Flash is just sitting there, it says they've been idle for 74 hours. |
| 20:48.28 | TuxToaster | yup, sounds about right. |
| 20:48.34 | fungus | ~seen Flash |
| 20:48.37 | ibot | flash is currently on #bzflag ##kierra #bzflag-chat, last said: 'that doesn't render on my client ....'. |
| 20:49.12 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 20:49.22 | fungus | ~flash-- |
| 20:49.27 | macnewbold | ~dreamweaver-- |
| 20:50.09 | romanovic | anyone know how to avoid overlapping the body scrollbar with the footer, when the footer must be fixed at the bottom of the viewport? |
| 20:50.56 | mahelious | vertical scrollbar? |
| 20:51.00 | romanovic | yes |
| 20:52.09 | romanovic | so far the only solution i've found is to create a margin on the right side of the footer the same width as a scrollbar, but that is a bad solution |
| 20:53.23 | ninnypants | is the body a separate div from the footer and is supposed to look like it scrolls under the footer? |
| 20:54.28 | romanovic | the footer is the last element in the body (but with position: fixed). Contents of the body are supposed to scroll under the footer |
| 20:54.44 | romanovic | so the footer is taken out of the flow of the rest of the body and placed on top |
| 20:54.52 | ninnypants | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.08 | ninnypants | instead of having the body's overflow as scroll? |
| 20:55.29 | romanovic | the scroll bar is there, but unfortunately even the scrollbar is overlapped by the footer |
| 20:56.24 | romanovic | Ahha got it |
| 20:56.46 | romanovic | you were right ninnypants |
| 20:56.57 | ninnypants | I try to be ;) |
| 20:57.08 | romanovic | my body element overflow wasn't set to scroll, but it was set to auto which apparently had the same effect |
| 20:57.38 | romanovic | took it out and i got the browser scrollbar back |
| 20:57.39 | ninnypants | yeah it's kind of weird like that I almost always set all my overflow's to hidden |
| 20:57.44 | ninnypants | nice |
| 20:57.52 | romanovic | thanks |
| 21:00.36 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:00.40 | macnewbold | ~dreamweaver-- |
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| 21:01.08 | captbrogers | I feel like going over to the utah ruby group channel and trolling them |
| 21:01.28 | macnewbold | go for it |
| 21:01.35 | macnewbold | just don't tell them we sent you |
| 21:02.25 | captbrogers | I really don't have anything against most rubyist/rails people, but so often it seems that "you're doing it wrong" is about the default when it comes to getting answers |
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| 21:13.10 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:14.54 | macnewbold | ~lart TuxToaster |
| 21:14.54 | ibot | says "boot to the head" and knocks TuxToaster over |
| 21:15.07 | captbrogers | ~lart FLASH |
| 21:15.07 | ibot | puts FLASH into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of FLASH's hair of |
| 21:15.12 | TuxToaster | now there's one I haven't seen |
| 21:18.19 | TuxToaster | $lart macnewbold |
| 21:18.20 | raifbot | shoves a crumpet down macnewbold's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?!! |
| 21:20.56 | stderr- | captbrogers: Feel free, just don't start crying when you end up the trolling victim. |
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| 21:33.15 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:33.35 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:33.47 | captbrogers | stderr-: I could be pretty good at trolling, I seen quite a few memes |
| 21:34.01 | macnewbold | ~troll |
| 21:34.01 | ibot | i heard troll is webossucks |
| 21:34.10 | stderr- | I dabble in trolling myself. |
| 21:34.12 | macnewbold | ~troll captbrogers |
| 21:34.12 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares captbrogers a troll |
| 21:34.21 | captbrogers | Well flip |
| 21:34.23 | macnewbold | ~dabble |
| 21:34.30 | macnewbold | ~dabble stderr- |
| 21:34.35 | macnewbold | ~flip captbrogers |
| 21:34.35 | ibot | ACTION gives captbrogers the .|.. ..|. |
| 21:34.41 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:34.47 | macnewbold | hrm, flip didn't do what i wanted |
| 21:34.52 | captbrogers | $lart macnewbold |
| 21:34.52 | raifbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats macnewbold until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with. |
| 21:34.55 | jsmith | $flip macnewbold |
| 21:35.02 | macnewbold | $invert jsmith |
| 21:35.07 | macnewbold | ~invert jsmith |
| 21:35.10 | jsmith | ~zap macnewbold |
| 21:35.10 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives macnewbold a good jolt. |
| 21:35.15 | stderr- | Someone gave mac caffeine again. |
| 21:35.16 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 21:35.16 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats romanovic until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 21:35.23 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:35.25 | macnewbold | ~squirrel |
| 21:35.25 | ibot | rumour has it, squirrel is something you can have fun with if you've got some duct tape handy... |
| 21:35.46 | macnewbold | $squirrel |
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| 21:36.36 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 21:36.38 | macnewbold | ~karma flash |
| 21:36.38 | ibot | flash has karma of 19 |
| 21:36.42 | macnewbold | progress... |
| 21:36.52 | captbrogers | ~karma captbrogers |
| 21:36.52 | ibot | captbrogers has karma of 2 |
| 21:36.55 | captbrogers | Woo |
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| 21:40.43 | stderr- | CoffeeScript, you shall bow to my elisp powers! |
| 21:58.56 | Utah_Dave | oh gosh. I've been using git-svn to avoid replacing our svn repo and deploy scripts that we've been using for years. |
| 21:59.33 | Utah_Dave | didn't realize that with git you can just git init a repo on our deploy server and use ssh to push and pull to it |
| 21:59.50 | Utah_Dave | no real server needed. |
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| 22:25.47 | Monnok | $rlart |
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| 22:32.47 | mgeary | ~rlart |
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| 22:40.55 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can speak braille. |
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| 22:56.16 | captbrogers | $chuck-fact |
| 22:56.17 | raifbot | Chuck Norris has an Xbox Live account. On Playstation |
| 23:00.36 | carmony | ok, we're 100% recovered from our server failures on saturday... whew... |
| 23:01.02 | ninnypants | only too 3 days |
| 23:02.11 | ninnypants | captbrogers: forgot to tell you the up time is good on those VPSs I thought it was the kind of vps that you picked the os and they spun up a box with that os on it but I had to install it |
| 23:07.33 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:07.34 | raifbot | pours hot grits down the front of romanovic's pants. |
| 23:08.08 | josephscott | carmony: what happened? I saw your tweets about rackspace |
| 23:08.11 | TuxToaster | ~flash-- |
| 23:08.15 | captbrogers | ninnypants: how's it been and what OS did you get? |
| 23:08.16 | romanovic | ow |
| 23:08.27 | romanovic | raifbot hating on me today |
| 23:08.33 | TuxToaster | $save romanovic |
| 23:08.33 | raifbot | asks the President to please pardon romanovic |
| 23:08.39 | fungus | carmony, how can that happen. If it's a VM can't you just move to new hardware easy. |
| 23:09.12 | ninnypants | captbrogers: I'm running unbuntu in the Texas data center it's been good and the support was helpful when I needed it |
| 23:09.26 | josephscott | I'm guessing the storage of the VM wasn't intended to be easily moved from one server to another |
| 23:09.26 | ninnypants | captbrogers: didn't look like they had the version of centos you wanted though |
| 23:09.42 | carmony | apparently the host machine had multiple HDD failures |
| 23:09.50 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 23:10.05 | TuxToaster | you'd think someone the size of rackspace would expect that |
| 23:10.36 | carmony | well, we spent the first 12 hours getting to the point of saying "Okay, the HDDs are dead, we need to rebuild the raid array" |
| 23:10.39 | fungus | so, HDD would kill a host, move to new host and back up in a few hours max. Right? |
| 23:10.45 | captbrogers | ninnypants: I don't think it would be too horrible to get CentOS 5 but I'd get Fedora if they supported a version that was still alive |
| 23:11.19 | carmony | so we spun up a new server |
| 23:11.26 | carmony | to take over |
| 23:11.35 | fungus | it took 58 hours to spin up a new host? wow |
| 23:11.38 | fungus | fail |
| 23:11.52 | carmony | no, it was to recover the data from the old host |
| 23:12.06 | fungus | eww. your data was stored on a local host? |
| 23:12.08 | captbrogers | Did it repeatedly become self-aware and you had to terminate it to stop the inevitable war? |
| 23:12.12 | carmony | yup |
| 23:12.12 | ninnypants | captbrogers: they have centos up to 6 and fedora up to 14 |
| 23:12.15 | fungus | Where's the cloud? |
| 23:12.19 | josephscott | backups? |
| 23:12.25 | carmony | we had backups |
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| 23:12.32 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
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| 23:12.48 | captbrogers | ninnypants: I got so many conflicting answers from their helpdesk. One said yes, another no, another yes but we're testing it. |
| 23:13.00 | carmony | they spent almost 24 hours just trying to rebuild the array |
| 23:13.06 | fungus | So |
| 23:13.07 | carmony | not sure why it was taking so long |
| 23:13.21 | fungus | While rebuilding the array, can't they also spin up a new server at the same time |
| 23:13.39 | josephscott | rebuilding can be super slow, wouldn't be surprised to see it take a day |
| 23:13.43 | carmony | so here is how it works |
| 23:13.46 | macnewbold | ~lart rebuilding |
| 23:13.46 | ibot | hits rebuilding with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 23:13.59 | fungus | I would imagine rackspace would have acres of servers. |
| 23:14.13 | carmony | your VM takes nightly and weekly backups which are stored on their Cloud Files |
| 23:14.33 | carmony | and you can deploy new servers off those backups |
| 23:14.58 | josephscott | sounds good so far |
| 23:15.09 | carmony | however, it is likely that the host was already having problems with their array |
| 23:15.16 | carmony | HDD raid array |
| 23:15.29 | carmony | because the last valid backup I had access to was from August |
| 23:15.36 | josephscott | ouch! |
| 23:15.49 | josephscott | testing restores, the other 50% of the back process ;-) |
| 23:16.06 | unum | ya |
| 23:16.16 | carmony | it wasn't a big deal, since we have everything in source control |
| 23:16.28 | fungus | but it was a big deal, 58 hours? |
| 23:16.41 | fungus | Couldn't they spin up a new server faster than that. |
| 23:16.49 | josephscott | s/back/backup/ |
| 23:17.13 | carmony | so my biggest problem was the first 12 hours |
| 23:17.26 | carmony | where I was having a hard time figuring out what was going on |
| 23:17.30 | carmony | with Rackspace |
| 23:17.37 | fungus | That sucks for sure. |
| 23:17.42 | carmony | at the very beginning at 4 AM |
| 23:17.46 | fungus | But worse, they made you wait for a new server. |
| 23:17.55 | carmony | well, they didn't make me wait for the new server |
| 23:18.00 | carmony | I deployed a new one |
| 23:18.07 | carmony | from the august backup |
| 23:18.17 | carmony | and did a "svn up" |
| 23:18.17 | fungus | That works, but that should only take a few hours. |
| 23:18.21 | carmony | yeah |
| 23:18.34 | fungus | 12 hours to figure it out, and 3-4 more for re-deploy. |
| 23:18.48 | fungus | Any more than that should be a lawsuit |
| 23:18.52 | carmony | So at 4 AM, I'm asleep, so my boss gets on their support and asks if there is a problem |
| 23:18.54 | carmony | with the host |
| 23:18.59 | carmony | they say "no, it should be fine." |
| 23:19.17 | carmony | he isn't tech savy and doesn't know how to test, so he assumes it was a problem on our end |
| 23:19.19 | carmony | so I wake up |
| 23:19.21 | carmony | check it out |
| 23:19.33 | carmony | obviously it is a host problem |
| 23:19.44 | carmony | can't ping/ssh/web console, so I notify support |
| 23:19.58 | carmony | which took 45 minutes just to do that, because their live chat guy was afk |
| 23:20.33 | carmony | well, I've been with them for 2 years now |
| 23:20.38 | mindjuju_ | they actually killed the first BGM flash streamming server |
| 23:20.47 | mindjuju_ | had to move it elsewhere |
| 23:20.59 | carmony | this if the first time I had such a bad problem, normally their support is very competent |
| 23:21.05 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 23:21.18 | josephscott | $lart flash |
| 23:21.19 | raifbot | raises middle finger to flash. |
| 23:21.24 | fungus | carmony, it's not just their support that sucks. Support is responsible for the first 12 hours. |
| 23:21.25 | macnewbold | ~karma flash |
| 23:21.25 | ibot | flash has karma of 15 |
| 23:21.35 | macnewbold | ~flash-- |
| 23:21.45 | fungus | The infrastructure and/or policies are responsible for the rest |
| 23:21.47 | carmony | So after I report the problem, the guy says they'll get it back up. |
| 23:22.17 | mindjuju_ | i was going to say, liquidweb has a monitoring crew that emails / calls me when there is an issue |
| 23:22.18 | carmony | well, 2 hours go by, so I hop on support again, asking for a status |
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| 23:22.37 | carmony | because it sounded like it wasn't a big issue, no need to deploy a new server |
| 23:22.39 | mindjuju_ | nagios always beats them to it, but they tend to be pretty good |
| 23:23.14 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 23:23.14 | ibot | duct-tapes bradym to the floor and drools on him |
| 23:23.15 | fungus | By the 36th hour, I would be signing up at a new provider. |
| 23:23.30 | carmony | well, I had to re-explain everything to the new support guy, and he says the host is working, and I have to explain again that our server isn't working |
| 23:23.55 | carmony | so they get their "ops team" involved, and tell me that they'll get back to me once they get it fixed |
| 23:24.19 | SunSparc | carmony: which company is this? |
| 23:24.19 | skinner | YOO FIRED! |
| 23:24.25 | mindjuju_ | "ops" prolly means level 2 tech with 8months exp |
| 23:24.26 | carmony | another 2 hours later, no update, I check with their live chat, and apparently the "ops team fixed it" but didn't tell us. Oh look, our VM is still down |
| 23:24.29 | carmony | SunSparc: Rackspace |
| 23:24.50 | mindjuju_ | ops fail? prolly 6 months exp |
| 23:24.51 | carmony | so ops team is going to do a chassis swap |
| 23:25.07 | carmony | shouldn't take too long, but won't give me a definite ETA |
| 23:25.16 | SunSparc | carmony: That does not sound like the "super amazing dedicated technical support" that Rackspace touts. |
| 23:25.23 | carmony | so I look at the backup, see its from august, and decide to wait for the chassis swap |
| 23:25.59 | carmony | after a few more talks with their support over the next few hours, there was confusion on whether the chassis swap had occured, if the host was up or not |
| 23:26.14 | carmony | FINALLY I get told they are rebuilding the HDD RAID Array |
| 23:26.43 | josephscott | fun |
| 23:26.49 | carmony | which I'm like "screw that, I'll deploy the old backup and update it" |
| 23:26.50 | fungus | That's insane, they should be getting you running on new hardware and fix the old after. |
| 23:27.10 | carmony | fungus: they definitely dropped the ball. My biggest issues where: |
| 23:27.37 | carmony | 1) They never updated me once they found something out. I always had to ask and pester them, which involved catch each support rep up-to-date |
| 23:27.55 | fungus | IMHO 6-36 hours is dropping the ball. >36 hours is asinine and deserving of getting dumped. |
| 23:28.34 | carmony | 2) It took them waaaaay to long to diagnose the host problem. I have a feeling that the data center techs just rebooted and kinda assumed it was working |
| 23:29.02 | carmony | 3) Their backup tools had broken, which happens, but apparently didn't notify myself, or their own team |
| 23:29.22 | carmony | I have a log of all the conversations and emails |
| 23:29.35 | carmony | so they are getting a big, fat email of the whole thing |
| 23:29.45 | fungus | Understood, those problems suck and are annoying. But i'd still dump them. |
| 23:29.47 | mindjuju_ | very lenient, i'd post it to blog |
| 23:29.55 | carmony | yeah |
| 23:30.05 | mindjuju_ | if for nothing else, but to warn others |
| 23:30.08 | macnewbold | you'd think at the rate that backup systems fail to make backups that are usable, that they'd have more systems that on a weekly or monthly basis do an automatic restore somewhere |
| 23:30.42 | carmony | so our "site" was down for about 10-12 hours because I was having a hard time getting an answer of whether or not it was a serious failure |
| 23:30.52 | carmony | once I knew it was a long ETA |
| 23:31.23 | mindjuju_ | i LOVED my colo time with xmission |
| 23:31.26 | carmony | I deployed a new server and was back up and running after 1 hour |
| 23:32.06 | mindjuju_ | we had backup pieces of power supply, ram, fans, all i had to do was run down there and get to work (stopping for lunch at BC chicken) |
| 23:32.09 | mindjuju_ | them were the days |
| 23:32.28 | carmony | well, the thing is this was their cloud hosting, and the problem was with their host machine |
| 23:33.37 | carmony | which I have zero control over |
| 23:33.44 | carmony | so I expect them to monitor it better. |
| 23:34.29 | mindjuju_ | that's the problem with hiring high school tech support |
| 23:34.35 | mindjuju_ | they just don't care |
| 23:34.55 | mindjuju_ | here i am writing emails to comodo support explaining the details of a problem i'm having |
| 23:35.09 | macnewbold | ~karma flash |
| 23:35.09 | ibot | flash has karma of -5 |
| 23:35.12 | mindjuju_ | and they can't trip over themselves fast enough to reply with a canned response that in no way is remotely near the problem |
| 23:35.29 | carmony | mindjuju_: I hate that |
| 23:36.18 | mindjuju_ | FYI yall, little bird says it's snowing in UC, so leave early and avoid the wackos |
| 23:36.49 | ninnypants | yep it is walked up stairs a few minutes ago to confirm |
| 23:37.11 | carmony | I wonder if it is snowing here... |
| 23:39.10 | DexterTheDragon | snowing up here too |
| 23:39.51 | TuxToaster | looks like it's snowing at my house. Love having a webcam pointed out the window. |
| 23:40.40 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 23:40.41 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Light snow 32f / 0c Humidity: 93% Wind: N at 0 mph |
| 23:40.58 | TuxToaster | $weather 1 |
| 23:40.58 | raifbot | TuxToaster - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for 1 |
| 23:41.00 | TuxToaster | doh. |
| 23:42.32 | josephscott | a zip code of zero or one would be pretty cool |
| 23:42.36 | josephscott | $weather 0 |
| 23:42.36 | raifbot | josephscott you need to tell me where, like: $weather Sandy, UT |
| 23:42.43 | TuxToaster | was kind of hoping it'd return some random zip |
| 23:42.44 | josephscott | $weather sandy, UT |
| 23:42.44 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for sandy, UT - Light snow 34f / 1c Humidity: 87% Wind: NW at 6 mph |
| 23:43.09 | josephscott | $random 11111 99999 |
| 23:43.09 | TuxToaster | there've been stories about people leaving off the zip code and getting random zips in mail delivery |
| 23:43.10 | skinner | josephscott: or a random forcast |
| 23:43.18 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 23:43.23 | josephscott | $random-number 11111 99999 |
| 23:43.23 | raifbot | josephscott your number is : 26,608 |
| 23:43.23 | TuxToaster | need nesting |
| 23:43.29 | josephscott | $weather 26608 |
| 23:43.29 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for 26608 |
| 23:43.38 | josephscott | hmmm, well, that was less fun than I hoped |
| 23:43.39 | skinner | Like 60% chance of sky today. 30 gallons of wind from east-northeast. |
| 23:43.39 | TuxToaster | $weather ($random-number 11111 99999) |
| 23:43.40 | raifbot | TuxToaster - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for ($random-number 11111 99999) |
| 23:43.52 | TuxToaster | or... $rweather |
| 23:43.56 | josephscott | haha, I knew that wouldn't work :-) |
| 23:44.12 | skinner | $random-number 11111 99999 |
| 23:44.13 | raifbot | skinner your number is : 95,394 |
| 23:44.22 | skinner | $weather 95394 |
| 23:44.22 | raifbot | skinner - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for 95394 |
| 23:44.52 | josephscott | $weather northern utah |
| 23:44.53 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for northern utah |
| 23:45.01 | josephscott | $weather death valley |
| 23:45.02 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for death valley - Light rain 41f / 5c Humidity: 86% Wind: N at 14 mph |
| 23:47.07 | skinner | $rweather (output) "Light angling 106 Degrees with a dash of cloud. -12^e-2 Kelvins of Blue from the north. Air rating a soggy grape" |
| 23:49.30 | TuxToaster | $weather random lake |
| 23:49.31 | raifbot | 3TuxToaster - 0,2current weather for random lake - Overcast 28f / -2c Humidity: 80% Wind: W at 16 mph |
| 23:49.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:49.51 | TuxToaster | at least that one kind of works, apparently there's a Random Lake WI |
| 23:50.38 | josephscott | $weather randomville |
| 23:50.38 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for randomville |
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| 23:51.09 | josephscott | $weather random city |
| 23:51.09 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for random city |
| 23:53.38 | mahelious | $weather blue ball, pa |
| 23:53.39 | raifbot | 3mahelious - 0,2current weather for blue ball, pa - Overcast 39f / 4c Humidity: 93% Wind: S at 10 mph |
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