| 00:01.48 | josephscott | neat trick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7jpJ12lBjg&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:02.25 | influx | Is there a UPHPU minecraft server? |
| 00:03.33 | jsmith | influx: Yeah, talk to mindjuju_ |
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| 02:05.41 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-re-copyright-decision/ |
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| 03:15.48 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 03:15.49 | raifbot | hauls jsmith-away up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles. |
| 03:16.05 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 03:16.06 | raifbot | Ironically, Chuck Norris’ hidden talent is invisibility. |
| 03:16.20 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 03:16.21 | raifbot | Chuck Norris died 20 years ago, Death just hasn't built up the courage to tell him yet. |
| 03:16.28 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 03:16.32 | TuxToaster | and one more |
| 03:16.34 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 03:16.34 | raifbot | When Neil Armstrong stepped on the moon, the first thing he saw was 'Chuck Norris was here' carved into a moon rock. |
| 03:16.49 | TuxToaster | haha |
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| 05:08.14 | influx | Does O'Reilly track sharing of purchased ebooks? |
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| 05:21.40 | influx | hey captbrogers |
| 05:22.27 | captbrogers | Hey |
| 05:22.52 | captbrogers | I put Ice Cream Sandwich on my wife's Xoom |
| 05:22.57 | influx | Do you know if O'Reilly tracks sharing of purchased ebooks? |
| 05:22.59 | influx | Yeah? |
| 05:23.01 | captbrogers | Very slick |
| 05:23.02 | influx | How'd that go? |
| 05:23.04 | influx | Nice. |
| 05:35.24 | ninnypants | influx: they don't care about it |
| 05:35.50 | ninnypants | they know it happens but figure the people who download it wouldn't have bought it anyway so they don't worry about it |
| 05:39.24 | captbrogers | I don't believe they track anything, why? You bought some |
| 05:58.12 | ninnypants | I don't know that he'd be worried about tracking if he had bought some ;) |
| 06:12.00 | captbrogers | Well, if bought then shared them |
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| 13:44.04 | influx | Yeah. Bought quite a few ebooks last night. AJAX: The Definitive Guide ; HTTP: The Definitive Guide ; JavaScript: The Definitive Guide (6th Ed.) ; JavaScript: The Good Parts ; Learning the bash Shell ; Mastering Regular Expressions ; sed and awk |
| 13:48.55 | influx | Figured I might let coworkers take a gander if they don't have their own copies and need to look something up. |
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| 15:52.32 | mahelious | does anyone else hear the argument "if it werent for copyrights, creators would stop creating" and think to yourself its a load of donkey dung? |
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| 16:03.18 | tierra | mahelious: well, you don't see artists releasing work under public domain very often, so I think there's some truth to it |
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| 16:04.31 | mahelious | tierra: nonsense. copyright as we know it has been around for less than 200 years. |
| 16:04.59 | tierra | computers didn't exist 200 years ago |
| 16:05.06 | josePHPagoda | tierra: music did |
| 16:05.18 | josePHPagoda | as did stories |
| 16:05.23 | josePHPagoda | books, and other creative works |
| 16:05.26 | tierra | but recording devices didn' |
| 16:05.31 | josePHPagoda | sure they did |
| 16:05.41 | Monnok | phonograph |
| 16:05.55 | Monnok | not sure, but i know that ones old |
| 16:06.01 | mahelious | people who like to make things will make things. and if they didnt make a million dollars for performing a dozen songs over a year, we'd probably end up with a better breed of performers |
| 16:06.11 | josePHPagoda | mahelious: agreed |
| 16:06.32 | Monnok | Eh wikipedia: The phonograph was invented in 1877 by Thomas Alva Edison |
| 16:07.50 | Monnok | In the 14th century, Flanders introduced a mechanical bell-ringer controlled by a rotating cylinder. Similar designs appeared in barrel organs (15th century), musical clocks (1598), barrel pianos (1805), and musical boxes (1815). |
| 16:08.08 | Monnok | there, somethings older than 200 yrs for recording |
| 16:08.22 | tierra | and that was in every household? |
| 16:08.30 | Monnok | does it matter? |
| 16:08.35 | josePHPagoda | tierra: vocal chords |
| 16:08.45 | eggyknap | Music boxes aren't "recordings", they're mechanical performers. |
| 16:08.47 | tierra | you know exactly my point, you just don't want to accept it |
| 16:08.59 | josePHPagoda | tierra: i've worked with many talented musicians |
| 16:09.04 | josePHPagoda | i'm only stating their point |
| 16:09.05 | Monnok | heh no i dont, actually |
| 16:09.10 | josePHPagoda | they'd love to have their music replayed all over |
| 16:09.21 | mahelious | back in the 9th century minstrels would travel from town to town. they usually had a repertoire of 50-100 songs, nearly every one of which was shared with every other traveling minstrel. |
| 16:09.22 | tierra | if they could get paid for it |
| 16:09.23 | josePHPagoda | in fact, there are a few that have released their music under the creative commons |
| 16:09.33 | tierra | which is only enforced by copyrights in this digital age |
| 16:09.52 | josePHPagoda | tierra, they don't get paid for it |
| 16:09.56 | Monnok | the point is, they still made it |
| 16:10.00 | Monnok | they shared |
| 16:10.09 | mahelious | writing a song had very little value back then, it was the performance that mattered. |
| 16:10.10 | tierra | it's not like artists don't have the choice to not use copyrights, you can release un-copyrighted work |
| 16:10.17 | tierra | they still don't though |
| 16:10.22 | josePHPagoda | actually |
| 16:10.26 | josePHPagoda | according to US law |
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| 16:10.34 | josePHPagoda | everything produced is under copyright |
| 16:10.42 | josePHPagoda | you can't have something not be under copyright |
| 16:10.48 | josePHPagoda | without going through a lot of effort |
| 16:11.06 | Monnok | tierra: Trent Reznor |
| 16:11.21 | josePHPagoda | you can release it under a less restrictive copyright far easier than not having it under copyright |
| 16:11.27 | josePHPagoda | that's a problem w/ the us law |
| 16:12.55 | josePHPagoda | tierra: many artists also give up the rights to their own music |
| 16:13.06 | josePHPagoda | so it doesn't matter what they want to do w/ their music |
| 16:13.54 | tierra | when copyrights expire, works fall under public domain. You *can* skip the copyright, and give a work to the public domain immediately under rights given by your copyright |
| 16:14.25 | josePHPagoda | (under rights given by your copyright) |
| 16:14.28 | josePHPagoda | (think about that) |
| 16:14.38 | josePHPagoda | in other words, you can release it under a less restrictive copyright |
| 16:14.45 | tierra | even the more liberal artists still will at least retain copyright, and toss their works under a CC license, but they still retain copyright, and copyright still enforces the CC licenses |
| 16:14.46 | josePHPagoda | it's very hard to have a copyright "expire" now-a-days |
| 16:14.49 | josePHPagoda | look at micky |
| 16:14.51 | josePHPagoda | mickey |
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| 16:15.16 | josePHPagoda | yes, because it's easier to do CC, than to do PD |
| 16:15.31 | josePHPagoda | PD actually generally requires more enforcement too |
| 16:15.51 | josePHPagoda | additionally, many labels (for music) don't let the artists have copyright control over their music |
| 16:15.59 | josePHPagoda | it's considered a commissioned piece of work |
| 16:16.43 | tierra | don't sign that contract with that label then... what's your point here? |
| 16:17.53 | tierra | just because artists "are too dumb" to release to public domain, we should enforce it by removing copyrights entirely? |
| 16:18.08 | josePHPagoda | my point is that you don't hear many of the musicians |
| 16:18.21 | josePHPagoda | and your judgement is based on a very small percentage of them |
| 16:18.32 | josePHPagoda | music labels work with radio stations for broadcast time |
| 16:18.45 | josePHPagoda | if you aren't on a label, you are less likely to be on the radio, and less likely to be heard |
| 16:18.49 | josePHPagoda | (as one example) |
| 16:19.00 | josePHPagoda | i'm not saying we should enforce it, but I am saying that there are major flaws with the copyright system |
| 16:19.09 | josePHPagoda | (like, copyright extending for long times after someone is dead) |
| 16:19.27 | josePHPagoda | (or removing works from public domain and placing them under copyright again) |
| 16:19.39 | tierra | the copyright system has absolutely nothing to do with how radio stations negotiate contracts between record labels and artists... |
| 16:20.03 | josePHPagoda | if I make a song and want it on a radio |
| 16:20.03 | tierra | that's not a flaw of the copyright system, that's a flaw of the recording industry |
| 16:20.08 | josePHPagoda | ah |
| 16:20.19 | josePHPagoda | but it means you are following and listening to small percentage of talent |
| 16:20.38 | josePHPagoda | which means your "most artists do stuff under copyright" argument kind of falls flat |
| 16:20.50 | josePHPagoda | additionally, it's easier to have something under CC than under PD |
| 16:20.58 | josePHPagoda | so that's the path of least resistance |
| 16:21.05 | josePHPagoda | especially for someone who wants to spend time making music |
| 16:21.16 | josePHPagoda | and not enforcing the (lack of) copyright |
| 16:21.37 | josePHPagoda | if I write a song, release it under PD, and then someone takes it and copyrights it, i have to enforce and prove it's under PD |
| 16:21.56 | josePHPagoda | where with CC, I only have to prove certain conditions |
| 16:22.27 | josePHPagoda | (i've worked with quite a few artists, both musical and otherwise, i've found a great majority strongly dislike copyright as it stands) |
| 16:22.51 | josePHPagoda | anyways... i've gotta head to work |
| 16:23.04 | josePHPagoda | cool thing is we're all allowed to think how we want and have our opinions :-D |
| 16:23.09 | tierra | wtf... if someone takes it and copies it, *then* you have to enforce and prove that it's *your* copyrighted material... there's no need to enforce PD works, you make your claim that it's PD to let people know (slap it on your CD label or something), and let people copy it... that's it... |
| 16:23.23 | josePHPagoda | if I write my song |
| 16:23.28 | josePHPagoda | slap PD on it |
| 16:23.30 | josePHPagoda | and you take it |
| 16:23.34 | josePHPagoda | and copyright it as your own, what do I do? |
| 16:24.00 | tierra | you gave it up for PD... I'm allowed to do that, as is everyone else |
| 16:24.54 | josePHPagoda | not really... PD is not always PD (which was shown in a recent court case |
| 16:25.01 | tierra | if you don't like it, you use the copyright system, don't release under PD, and enforce your own license terms whatever those may be.... welcome to the copyright system |
| 16:25.07 | josePHPagoda | you would be able to (under current law) attempt to sue me |
| 16:25.15 | josePHPagoda | and you would be right in the eyes of the current law |
| 16:25.30 | tierra | it's true that some countries don't have PD... the US isn't one of them though |
| 16:25.38 | josePHPagoda | i release my music under PD, you copyright it, and you sue me |
| 16:25.48 | josePHPagoda | that's currently how the law views things |
| 16:26.00 | josePHPagoda | at least in the USA |
| 16:26.12 | mahelious | the point of PD is once it is, it should not be able to be copyrighted again. |
| 16:26.15 | tierra | you prove your older copy was written/authored by you and released as PD... |
| 16:26.36 | josePHPagoda | mahelious: the supreme court recently ruled that isn't the case |
| 16:26.42 | mahelious | take Chaucers Canterbury Tales. no one can make a valid claim of ownership to establish copyright. |
| 16:26.49 | josePHPagoda | tierra: how do I prove my older copy? |
| 16:27.04 | tierra | the point of PD is that anyone can take your work, and copyright their own derivative works however they feel like and even sell it themselves |
| 16:27.20 | mahelious | but if YOU "release a work to PD" ostensibly someone could make a claim of ownership, and claim copyright. |
| 16:27.21 | josePHPagoda | derivitive works aren't applicable, i'm talking about my actual work |
| 16:27.30 | mahelious | so it was never PD in the first place. |
| 16:27.43 | influx | is registering a work with the LoC an option when placing it under PD? |
| 16:27.47 | josePHPagoda | like I said earlier, PD is harder than a basic CC |
| 16:27.56 | tierra | they could, but why would they? I could go to you instead for a free copy I know was released under PD |
| 16:28.05 | josePHPagoda | but you want to make money off of it |
| 16:28.14 | mahelious | you can produce derivative works from copyrighted works. |
| 16:28.26 | josePHPagoda | anyways... i've gotta go |
| 16:28.30 | josePHPagoda | i'll be back later |
| 16:28.32 | josePHPagoda | take care everyone! |
| 16:28.40 | mahelious | the point of PD is anyone can make use of the actual product however they like |
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| 16:36.16 | stderr- | lol |
| 16:37.00 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:37.00 | raifbot | squishes romanovic like a bug. |
| 16:37.21 | stderr- | `/win 10 |
| 16:37.24 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 16:37.24 | stderr- | bah |
| 16:37.24 | raifbot | Chuck Norris uses tabasco as eye drops. |
| 16:39.36 | TuxToaster | ^ ouch |
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| 17:12.23 | mgeary | does anyone here have an Android tablet? |
| 17:12.39 | captbrogers | Well, not with me but I do |
| 17:12.43 | captbrogers | Motorola Xoom |
| 17:14.03 | captbrogers | Just got Ice Cream Sandwich on it last night |
| 17:15.15 | skinner | I have a kindle fire. Kinda android.... |
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| 17:22.50 | captbrogers | Anyone have a server with thrustvps? |
| 17:23.24 | captbrogers | I'm going to switch over next week on a recommendation from someone on UtahJS and it seems like an awesome deal |
| 17:23.49 | josePHPagoda | i've not dealt with many vps systems |
| 17:24.37 | captbrogers | I know a lot of people have Linode, which is where I am at now and I like them, but it's getting hard to justify spending $20/month without getting at least a gig ram |
| 17:28.01 | mgeary | i like rackspace, but some people don't |
| 17:28.06 | mgeary | i don't really care much for Amazon |
| 17:28.36 | captbrogers | I haven't tried Rackspace simply because I don't like the idea of pay as you go |
| 17:28.42 | captbrogers | I'd rather set my price and just be done with it |
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| 17:29.23 | mgeary | captbrogers: you mean for bandwidth? |
| 17:29.54 | mindjuju_ | zoinks! |
| 17:29.58 | captbrogers | mgeary: yeah |
| 17:30.05 | SunSparc | I am using both RackSpace and AWS for different projects. |
| 17:30.10 | mgeary | me too |
| 17:30.11 | mindjuju_ | looks like i'm doing something wrong or i have my glasses on backwards, but it looks like they have none available? https://clients.thrustvps.com/cart.php |
| 17:30.14 | mgeary | and i prefer RS |
| 17:31.02 | mindjuju_ | i'd prefer utopia and just run my own server and be done with it |
| 17:31.50 | SunSparc | mgeary: Why do you prefer RS over AWS? |
| 17:32.08 | captbrogers | mindjuju_: that is for the 512, I'm getting the 1.5GB, emerald I think. And I agree with you, I once had utopia and it was the best I'd had in regards to running a server |
| 17:34.48 | mindjuju_ | captbrogers, tell me how it goes, i'd love to double my ram and cut my costs on a server i've got |
| 17:34.48 | mgeary | SunSparc: i appreciate that AWS has a gazillion features and options, but i don't like how ephemeral the EC2 instances can be |
| 17:34.50 | mgeary | and |
| 17:35.01 | romanovic | mindjuju_: I was looking through them too, the front page defaults to UK servers |
| 17:35.16 | mgeary | and wading through the security stuff that AWS offers can be a mind-boggling for me |
| 17:35.18 | romanovic | If you click on a West Coast option there are some available |
| 17:35.31 | captbrogers | I was looking at the Dallas OpenVZ servers |
| 17:35.54 | mindjuju_ | good catch romanovic, i missed that |
| 17:37.36 | romanovic | captbrogers: i like what I see... i'm paying $20/mo right now for 512mb ram at linode |
| 17:37.56 | mindjuju_ | paying $40 for a 1GB |
| 17:37.56 | SunSparc | mgeary: That is interesting. For me, since AWS added EBS backed EC2's I have not worried about them being ephemeral. They used to be scary, disappear out of the blue. Now they are great, you can stop or restart them any time and start them back up as needed. |
| 17:38.23 | mgeary | SunSparc: hrm. i haven't looked into that scenario, but i'm glad to hear your previous perception was similar to mine |
| 17:38.34 | captbrogers | romanovic: I've got the exact same |
| 17:39.03 | josePHPagoda | SunSparc: i've just not been able to get the performance out of them that I wanted |
| 17:39.12 | SunSparc | mgeary: As for the Security stuff, I actually prefer AWS because I find it easier. But it is probably just whatever is familiar. AWS security is nice because you can make one profile and apply it to any server. |
| 17:39.21 | captbrogers | I'll be doing the move next week after I get paid and deal with my brother-in-law's wedding. I'll let you know how it goes |
| 17:40.34 | SunSparc | josePHPagoda: I have heard that about them, but I have not run into that yet. Though I have nothing with enough traffic to make a difference. Other than the personal minecraft server, which works great. |
| 17:40.58 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 17:41.11 | josePHPagoda | we were trying to do some really high performance stuff, and the disk i/o just wasn't there :-( |
| 17:41.15 | josePHPagoda | other than that, really good |
| 17:43.21 | SunSparc | josePHPagoda: Do you mind my asking how you noticed disk i/o performance issues? |
| 17:43.42 | josePHPagoda | we were trying to do a storage cluster |
| 17:43.53 | josePHPagoda | and load shot up because the i/o couldn't keep up |
| 17:43.57 | josePHPagoda | and we had a lot of cpu wait time |
| 17:44.32 | SunSparc | josePHPagoda: You were creating your own custom storage cluster? |
| 17:44.53 | josePHPagoda | kinda, i could PM you and discuss it if you'd like |
| 17:44.56 | SunSparc | Or clustering some AWS storage solutoins? |
| 17:45.09 | josePHPagoda | also, we didn't have the control we wanted over the network |
| 17:45.13 | josePHPagoda | for load balancing and ssl and such |
| 17:45.28 | SunSparc | Sure, if you do not think it is appropriate for here. |
| 17:47.11 | mindjuju_ | SunSparc, yeah, didn't you know that when you talk about storage clusters you can't go more than a paragraph before using explatives? |
| 17:47.40 | mindjuju_ | and at least 3 hand gestures |
| 17:47.40 | captbrogers | Is that some sort of rule akin to Godwin's Law? |
| 17:47.47 | mindjuju_ | exactly so |
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| 17:51.04 | captbrogers | Hrm, starting to have a little doubt with thrust |
| 17:51.32 | captbrogers | Just sent and email to their support team asking if I had access to CentOS 6 and they replied with instructions about rebooting my server... |
| 17:51.47 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 17:52.27 | SunSparc | mindjuju_: lol |
| 17:53.04 | SunSparc | captbrogers: Bad sign. |
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| 17:57.32 | captbrogers | SunSpar: Yeah, reminds me of my days at BlueHost and dealing with other techs who loved canned answers |
| 17:57.53 | mgeary | ah, BlueHost |
| 17:58.30 | mgeary | i knew their founder in Highschool |
| 17:58.36 | mgeary | s/Highschool/high school/ |
| 17:58.50 | captbrogers | I'd go over to some tech's desk and ask them why sending a photo of their license for SSH access would help fix FTP problems. Their looks of confusion were the best |
| 17:59.28 | ninnypants | cause then they could use SFTP |
| 17:59.40 | mgeary | FTP is teh suck |
| 17:59.45 | josePHPagoda | yeah captbrogers, it's obvious :-P |
| 17:59.53 | captbrogers | Yes, using FTP would allow their incorrect pass to automagically begin to work |
| 18:00.15 | captbrogers | Because our server and would then recognize them anytime, anywhere, regardless of incorrect credentials |
| 18:00.37 | captbrogers | erm... :%s/FTP/SFTP/g |
| 18:00.48 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 18:02.28 | captbrogers | I cannot brain today. |
| 18:02.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:03.41 | ninnypants | so captbrogers how long does the vps setup from that thrustvps take? |
| 18:03.54 | captbrogers | One of those nights last night where my two year old woke up just after 1:00 AM. After getting her settled back in her bed a few minutes later, I lay down and think, "Ok, I still have like...*hears alarm*...no. No. I reject this reality and substitue my own." |
| 18:04.50 | ninnypants | heh my kid had me up until about 4 am |
| 18:04.59 | mindjuju_ | ouch |
| 18:05.12 | captbrogers | ninnypants: Don't know, it doesn't give a time. But after one ticket to their support team turned out to be a little sketchy I'm not so sure I'll be moving yet |
| 18:05.33 | captbrogers | I honestly miss Slicehost's support, they had the best |
| 18:05.35 | ninnypants | I got one to play around with we'll see what happens |
| 18:05.51 | mindjuju_ | ninnypants, you got a thrustvps? |
| 18:05.53 | captbrogers | Did you get Xen or OpenVZ and where? |
| 18:06.24 | ninnypants | I got a Choose your VPS |
| 18:06.49 | captbrogers | I choose you, VPS! VPS uses shared hardware, it's super effective! |
| 18:07.13 | captbrogers | Oh good times, I still have my gameboy with Blue, I play it from time to time for the memories |
| 18:07.36 | captbrogers | Can't wait until I can give it to one of my kids with reverance, entrusting them to create a formidible team |
| 18:07.46 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: it's close to the bottom of those options let's you choose your ram and what not but it seems to have some setup time |
| 18:07.47 | mindjuju_ | ninnypants, let me konw how it goes, i'm interested to move a server i got if the price is right and features dependable |
| 18:08.28 | ninnypants | captbrogers: I still have all my carts and 5 or so of the gameboy games |
| 18:09.01 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: I can let you play on mine if you'd like. I don't know that I'll do a ton with it right off |
| 18:09.28 | captbrogers | ninnypants: just before the second generation stuff came out, my brother sent me a ton of the cards from japan. I had practically all of the next set before they were released in the US |
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| 18:32.55 | josePHPagoda | hi thinbegin |
| 18:34.09 | thinbegin | hi josePHPagoda |
| 18:34.18 | josePHPagoda | how's life? |
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| 18:34.58 | carmony | Monnok: pong |
| 18:35.05 | thinbegin | so... what suggestions do you all have for one-off server bandwith (usage) reporting? |
| 18:35.22 | Monnok | carmony: can i get a ride to the meeting tonight? |
| 18:36.07 | carmony | Monnok: Hrm, I'll have to check with the wife to see when we're leaving |
| 18:36.18 | Monnok | k |
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| 18:42.14 | mindjuju_ | hmm, rick perry dropped |
| 18:42.42 | herlo | mindjuju_: if only that mattered |
| 18:43.05 | mindjuju_ | and newt wife alleges he wanted open marriage; an interesting day for republicans |
| 18:43.22 | mindjuju_ | hey herlo, i was meaning to talk to you |
| 18:43.37 | mindjuju_ | SCALE is tomorrow, right? |
| 18:43.40 | herlo | all good I think |
| 18:43.42 | herlo | mindjuju_: yep |
| 18:44.00 | mindjuju_ | what was the print shop that you said was nearby, kinkos fedex? |
| 18:44.21 | herlo | http://www.fedex.com/us/office/services/conventions/locations/LosAngeles.html?lid=la_conventionlocations_la |
| 18:44.25 | herlo | mindjuju_: ^^ |
| 18:44.30 | mindjuju_ | awesome, thx! |
| 18:44.48 | herlo | it's next door to the hilton |
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| 19:11.07 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Meeting tonight! Joanna Carmony on Accounting in Wed Dev, and business best practices round table - 7pm @C7 Bluffdale, 9pm @Applebees Draper |
| 19:11.20 | carmony | Wed Dev, eh? :P |
| 19:12.36 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Meeting tonight! Joanna Carmony on Accounting in Web Dev, and business best practices round table - 7pm @C7 Bluffdale, 9pm @Applebees Draper |
| 19:12.56 | Monnok | b looks a lot like d |
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| 19:13.34 | macnewbold | its funnier because carmony is wed'ed to jer |
| 19:13.38 | macnewbold | s/jer/her |
| 19:13.42 | macnewbold | s/jer/her/ |
| 19:13.49 | carmony | lol |
| 19:13.51 | macnewbold | having some kind of bad day typing methinks |
| 19:13.53 | Monnok | macnewbold cant type |
| 19:13.59 | carmony | $lart macnewbold |
| 19:14.00 | raifbot | wallops macnewbold with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long. |
| 19:14.30 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 19:14.30 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses macnewbold's head to break the homerun record |
| 19:14.32 | macnewbold | $rlart |
| 19:14.32 | raifbot | smacks josePHPagoda up side the head with a clue-by-4. |
| 19:14.39 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 19:14.39 | ibot | declares skinner a moron |
| 19:22.33 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 19:22.33 | raifbot | frags TuxToaster with his BFG9000. |
| 19:25.33 | TuxToaster | d'oh |
| 19:40.57 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 19:44.46 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 19:44.46 | raifbot | Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship. |
| 19:45.54 | josePHPagoda | chuck save us all |
| 19:47.05 | SunSparc | I am sure you are referring to Chuck Bartowski. |
| 19:47.47 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 19:47.47 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can squeeze orange juice from a banana |
| 19:48.48 | ninnypants | http://www.reddit.com/tb/on80l |
| 19:49.51 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:49.58 | SunSparc | I mean... |
| 19:50.01 | SunSparc | limh |
| 19:50.07 | SunSparc | ~limhstats |
| 19:51.02 | ninnypants | I'm thinking I might send that to my mom for when people ask her what I do for a living |
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| 20:04.06 | mindjuju_ | ~apb cro |
| 20:04.07 | ibot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to find cro |
| 20:09.21 | TuxToaster | ~apb ibot |
| 20:09.21 | ibot | ACTION hires Tim to stake out ibot |
| 20:09.24 | TuxToaster | :P |
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| 22:08.18 | mindjuju_ | sounds like megauploads got wiped out today |
| 22:11.19 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 22:11.27 | josePHPagoda | i wonder if that's related to the lawsuit going around |
| 22:11.42 | mindjuju_ | related to copyright infringement |
| 22:12.01 | mindjuju_ | i don't have the article i read up still |
| 22:12.10 | mindjuju_ | but it said megaupload and sister sites |
| 22:12.44 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 22:14.54 | TuxToaster | see, I don't have as much of a problem with those sites hosting files people put up |
| 22:15.30 | TuxToaster | as much as I do with the ones that you can't actually get the file because they're just linking you to "search results" for the file on other sites |
| 22:15.50 | mindjuju_ | oh man |
| 22:16.01 | mindjuju_ | you mean like manuals sites or drivers sites |
| 22:17.20 | macnewbold | <poll> So who in here is planning on coming to tonight's meeting? </poll> |
| 22:17.42 | mindjuju_ | i have legit excuse, i have a physics lab from 8 - 10p |
| 22:17.46 | mindjuju_ | :( |
| 22:17.50 | Monnok | i am if i can get a ride. carmony said he needed to check his schedule or something |
| 22:19.41 | mindjuju_ | yeah i know huh? cause i keeps it real and am the life of the partay |
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| 23:05.22 | macnewbold | anyone else coming? I know carmony is |
| 23:09.07 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:09.08 | raifbot | slaps a compatible dib on mahelious's head. |
| 23:09.11 | influx | Oh deuce. It's UPHPU tonight. |
| 23:09.16 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: hoping to |
| 23:09.27 | carmony | macnewbold: I'll be there :P So will Joanna |
| 23:09.28 | macnewbold | nice |
| 23:09.28 | influx | Is anyone from SLC heading down? |
| 23:09.32 | carmony | and Monnok left... |
| 23:09.39 | TuxToaster | he's still here |
| 23:09.43 | TuxToaster | well, in the office |
| 23:09.44 | TuxToaster | not on irc |
| 23:09.47 | macnewbold | carmony: he just barely stepped out of irc but tux is sitting by him |
| 23:09.52 | carmony | TuxToaster: Tell him I can pick him up |
| 23:10.06 | carmony | if he still wants to go |
| 23:10.07 | TuxToaster | what time? |
| 23:10.20 | macnewbold | influx: carmony's driving by, and fungus is around 3300 S i think, i expect he'll be coming |
| 23:11.36 | TuxToaster | carmony: what time ? |
| 23:12.20 | TuxToaster | meh, he fell asleep :P |
| 23:13.46 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 23:13.47 | raifbot | I named my left hand Chuck Norris and now it is my dominant hand. |
| 23:13.54 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:14.01 | influx | Hahahaha. |
| 23:14.06 | carmony | TuxToaster: Ummm.... |
| 23:15.41 | carmony | TuxToaster: what street did I pick him up last time? |
| 23:16.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:17.04 | TuxToaster | he thinks it was around 21st south |
| 23:17.56 | carmony | TuxToaster: yeah, tell him we'll be there about 6:30 |
| 23:18.29 | TuxToaster | ok |
| 23:19.31 | carmony | TuxToaster: Does he still have my phone number> |
| 23:21.02 | TuxToaster | he put his headphones back on. lol |
| 23:21.11 | carmony | lol |
| 23:21.41 | influx | carmony: Are you heading back to SLC after the meeting? |
| 23:21.45 | TuxToaster | yeah he's got it |
| 23:22.02 | carmony | influx: we're heading back to Ogden |
| 23:23.16 | influx | Cool. |
| 23:23.59 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/3S1L0f1s3c2R1z2L2A2L |
| 23:24.33 | influx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj1FifK3bbg |
| 23:30.31 | carmony | Tonight I have some funny "Scrum" things to share :P |
| 23:31.25 | ninnypants | could someone stream the meeting tonight? I can't make it up there but would love to watch the presentation |
| 23:31.46 | carmony | Maybe I can have it do a Google Hangout |
| 23:32.54 | nickdc | I'll probably be coming tonight, it's at C7 at 7pm? |
| 23:33.08 | ninnypants | nickdc: yep |
| 23:33.16 | ninnypants | carmony: that would be awesome |
| 23:33.33 | nickdc | sweet, this'll be my first time. I've put it off long enough |
| 23:37.42 | ninnypants | nickdc: never seen you in IRC before |
| 23:41.41 | mindjuju_ | carmony, so what was this thing about trying out on the radio? |
| 23:49.04 | carmony | mindjuju_: to be the new "Jake of the Web." |
| 23:59.12 | mindjuju_ | did you get the job? |
| 23:59.25 | mindjuju_ | do you go by jake? |