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| 00:03.28 | beandog | mindjuju: ping |
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| 00:29.14 | influx | beandog: Do you prefer the original version of the song or do you prefer one its covers? |
| 00:29.30 | beandog | original. |
| 00:33.41 | beandog | that was a short conversation. |
| 00:40.48 | influx | I was curious, is all. :) |
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| 02:57.48 | Anphonic | Good evening |
| 02:58.53 | ninnypants | evening |
| 03:00.15 | Anphonic | So, it hit me tonight that I've been ignoring a huge asset in solving my problem with php, IRC, so I thought I would reload it and see what I could learn |
| 03:01.30 | josePHPagoda | Anphonic: |
| 03:01.34 | josePHPagoda | what's the problem? |
| 03:02.04 | Anphonic | properly sending http auth headers to a webservice via a joomla component |
| 03:02.30 | josePHPagoda | ah |
| 03:02.58 | Anphonic | Basically, we need to send the headers to the AP webfeeds server so we can properly retrieve the xml files. |
| 03:03.24 | Anphonic | And yes "ah" sums up most responses lol |
| 03:05.37 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 03:06.25 | Anphonic | What would be the most help right now, I want to see what $expected_result is returning but my php and java is limited and rusty |
| 03:10.39 | josePHPagoda | echo $expected_result ? |
| 03:11.09 | Anphonic | yeah, tried, but I think it's jumping out before it gets to that, now that I look at it more |
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| 03:22.15 | josePHPagoda | oh |
| 03:22.28 | Anphonic | Ok, it sends the request, gets the challenge in return, then says there's nothing there b/c it doesnt know what to do with the auth challenge |
| 03:23.29 | Anphonic | authenticating through the URL works, in a way, but not 100% and is very poor practice anyway |
| 03:26.30 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 03:26.37 | josePHPagoda | i'm fairly young in php development |
| 03:26.42 | josePHPagoda | (i do server and network administration) |
| 03:29.54 | Anphonic | I'm rusty as a hammer in the yard for many many moons, and didnt learn all that much to begin with lol |
| 03:31.05 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 03:31.17 | josePHPagoda | yeah, i've never tried to do auth headers |
| 03:31.55 | Anphonic | I had thought we were working in the right file, but now it seems I have to go back to digging to find the inital call to the AP server |
| 03:32.20 | josePHPagoda | when i looked at the joomla code, it kind of made me nervous |
| 03:32.28 | josePHPagoda | but that's prolly cuz i'm not a great dev |
| 03:32.34 | Anphonic | It's a beast |
| 03:33.36 | Anphonic | I just changed my major from programming to web dev, programming for fun is ok, but front end development is more my forte |
| 03:34.20 | Anphonic | have been working on my BS for 3 years now and might have it done in another 6 haha |
| 03:34.42 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 03:39.05 | stderr- | Anphonic: I'm not familiar with Joomla (and haven't used PHP in years) but can't you just use curl to retrieve the URL? |
| 03:39.11 | stderr- | s/URL/XML |
| 03:40.56 | Anphonic | that's what this component uses |
| 03:41.33 | Anphonic | but since we've been focusing on the wrong request, we've been getting no where. |
| 03:42.18 | josePHPagoda | yes |
| 03:43.36 | stderr- | What do you mean by focusing on the wrong request? |
| 03:43.48 | stderr- | You're working on the wrong request object? |
| 03:44.10 | stderr- | as in you're working on $request1 = curl_init rather than $request2 = curl_init ? |
| 03:44.47 | Anphonic | we were working on $request2 rather than 1 |
| 03:45.47 | josePHPagoda | ah |
| 03:45.51 | Anphonic | since the initial request contains no auth information, the server responds asking for it which causes the component to error out with no feed found |
| 03:46.07 | stderr- | well that certainly would be a problem |
| 03:46.45 | Anphonic | oh yes, a large boss with a huge attitude and no patience left, problem |
| 03:47.32 | Anphonic | of course, when you're building the equivelant of CNN in less than one month, with two people, what do you expect? |
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| 04:10.50 | TuxToaster | Anphonic: sounds like fun |
| 04:11.57 | Anphonic | ^_^ it has its moments |
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| 13:56.00 | carmony | Happy Blackout Day :P |
| 14:03.23 | josePHPagoda | yuppers |
| 14:12.21 | influx | hey, uh... |
| 14:13.26 | influx | how do I replace a string with another string in php? how do I get a random integer in php? how do I output in php? |
| 14:14.19 | influx | Man. I picked a good day to try and buy a book from O'Reilly |
| 14:17.26 | carmony | influx: lol |
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| 15:51.01 | influx | Good morning, btw. |
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| 16:02.46 | influx | http://www.thedailywtf.com/ |
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| 16:03.54 | mahelious | in protest of SOPA im blacking out IRC by setting the background to #000 and the text to #000 |
| 16:04.05 | mahelious | so, umm, what are you all saying? |
| 16:04.06 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 16:04.16 | captbrogers | $lart mahelious |
| 16:04.16 | raifbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks mahelious over. |
| 16:05.03 | captbrogers | influx: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1544780/fun/Dodd%20SOPA.pdf |
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| 16:06.20 | mahelious | also, todays xkcd is awesome |
| 16:07.48 | fungus | My fav one so far is: http://www.razerzone.com |
| 16:09.15 | influx | also: http://prototype.php.net/ |
| 16:09.47 | influx | captbrogers: *click* |
| 16:09.51 | mahelious | any of you heard of/used waterfox? |
| 16:10.08 | mahelious | opinions? criticisms? outright bigotry? |
| 16:19.02 | influx | Never heard of it. |
| 16:19.32 | macnewbold | ditto |
| 16:19.44 | captbrogers | I object on no grounds other than a random selection of criteria that I refuse to share with you. |
| 16:20.31 | captbrogers | That and I've never heard of it. |
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| 16:22.32 | mahelious | may want to try it out, its a 64-bit build of Firefox with optimizations. just heard about it today. certainly feels faster already. |
| 16:23.09 | influx | I'll have to download it for my Windows machine. I don't think this mac has a 64-bit processor though. |
| 16:23.32 | captbrogers | I may have to try that as well |
| 16:24.54 | TuxToaster | lol. Awesome 404 page. http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqrvzuCwWv1qhvrl8o1_500.jpg |
| 16:25.12 | captbrogers | Pfft...awesome |
| 16:25.30 | TuxToaster | mahelious: what build is that? |
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| 16:26.32 | mahelious | TuxToaster: waterfox |
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| 16:27.02 | timwis | Hey guys, I just heard about #uphpu |
| 16:27.33 | captbrogers | Where we put on the ritz |
| 16:28.23 | timwis | Could anyone take a quick look at this simple SOAP request and tell me why it's not accepting my header? I'm trying to mimic the documentation at the top. http://codepad.org/MXGhngn1 |
| 16:29.34 | TuxToaster | waterfox. lol. Where is earthfox and windfox? |
| 16:30.25 | TuxToaster | timwis: sorry for the silly comedy, but I'd have to suggest it's confused by all of the SOPA requests today... |
| 16:30.43 | TuxToaster | ok, looking at it now. |
| 16:30.52 | timwis | haha |
| 16:33.08 | TuxToaster | so I'd assume you have a separate method handling the actual authentication? |
| 16:33.23 | TuxToaster | just looking at that it seems that maybe it doesn't recognize the session as valid |
| 16:33.23 | timwis | yes. i already know the session id, and was able to obtain that with curl actually |
| 16:33.30 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 16:33.36 | timwis | it's the same response you get if you don't provide a session id |
| 16:37.13 | TuxToaster | unfortunately, not intimately familiar with SOAP, particularly with the handlers in PHP 5. But looking at the docs |
| 16:37.28 | TuxToaster | it seems __soapCall can be passed headers |
| 16:38.08 | TuxToaster | so I'm curious if it would have a difference if you passed the header in directly instead of with the SetSoapHeaders command |
| 16:39.25 | TuxToaster | seems like it should work the same either way, just wondering. |
| 16:40.42 | timwis | sorry, had a phone call |
| 16:41.02 | timwis | hm, that's true |
| 16:41.17 | timwis | i just figured my headers were formatted wrong. wasn't sure if i was reading the wdsl documentaiton correctly |
| 16:41.25 | TuxToaster | also, silly question, but have you verified that the WSDL is returning everything that it should? |
| 16:41.47 | timwis | well, if it were authenticated it would return the detalis of the ticket |
| 16:42.30 | mgeary | you know, there's no reason that i know of why a 64-bit application would run faster than a 32-bit app, is there? It just has the ability to access a larger memory space... |
| 16:42.35 | TuxToaster | the way I understand it, since you're only passing in the URL when you init the client, it's going to grab the WSDL to determine options for the client, including the authentication type |
| 16:43.01 | TuxToaster | so I'm wondering if something in the WSDL might be off on the auth setup |
| 16:44.29 | TuxToaster | you can also pass some options into the constructor such as array('authentication' => SOAP_AUTHENTICATION_BASIC) or SOAP_AUTHENTICATION_DIGEST |
| 16:45.41 | TuxToaster | (can also pass the actual username and password in the same way, which might be the simplest way of testing) |
| 16:45.48 | timwis | i just tried including the headers in __soapCall and same error |
| 16:46.05 | TuxToaster | because at least going by your snippet of code, I see that you define the user and pass, but I don't see them being used |
| 16:46.22 | timwis | oh, yeah, i already sent those and got the sessionId back |
| 16:46.37 | TuxToaster | ok |
| 16:48.01 | TuxToaster | is the WSDL protected by authentication at all? |
| 16:48.02 | timwis | is there a way to see the exact text of the request being sent? |
| 16:48.09 | timwis | with the xml brackets and all |
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| 16:48.23 | timwis | nope, just requires a sessionid in the header |
| 16:48.31 | TuxToaster | i.e. if you hit API/Core/TicketService.asmx?WSDL without authentication, will it return the file? |
| 16:49.11 | timwis | yes, it gives a soap file back |
| 16:49.27 | TuxToaster | if you set array('trace' => 1) in your options on the new SoapClient |
| 16:49.38 | TuxToaster | you can use __getLastRequest to get the actual request I believe |
| 16:50.04 | TuxToaster | kk. Just checking on that since a few people posted that they were having trouble if the WSDL couldn't be downloaded without auth |
| 16:50.36 | mgeary | ~hate SOAP |
| 16:50.36 | ibot | Hey mgeary, ,,|, |
| 16:50.40 | mgeary | exactly |
| 16:50.59 | TuxToaster | but setting $client = new SoapClient($url, array('trace' => 1)); followed by $client->getLastRequest(); looks like it will give you the XML of the request |
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| 16:52.02 | timwis | a-ha, definitely a problem: http://codepad.org/LNtbm8K4 |
| 16:52.10 | timwis | that does not look like what the documentation wants :P |
| 16:52.23 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:52.25 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 16:52.25 | raifbot | Chuck Norris has all the No. 1 pencils. |
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| 16:53.15 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 16:53.15 | raifbot | Chuck Norris and Superman once fought each other on a bet. The loser had to start wearing his underwear on the outside of his pants. |
| 16:53.25 | TuxToaster | ouch |
| 16:54.01 | timwis | hm, why does it say <ns1:AuthHeader> |
| 16:54.30 | captbrogers | $chuck-fact |
| 16:54.31 | raifbot | Bill Gates lives in constant fear that Chuck Norris' PC will crash. |
| 16:54.55 | TuxToaster | timwis: what is the doc expecting? I believe you'd have to set the namespace when you init the client |
| 16:54.58 | captbrogers | That's incorrect. Chuck Norris' PC lives in constant fear it will crash. |
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| 16:55.30 | timwis | tuxtoaster: see at the top? http://codepad.org/MXGhngn1 |
| 16:55.42 | timwis | that's what the documentation is expecting |
| 16:55.49 | timwis | but actually my xml may be correct, just doing it in a different way |
| 16:57.00 | timwis | it's obviously missing the ticket id in the body, but the header should work! |
| 16:57.06 | timwis | hmm |
| 16:57.45 | TuxToaster | well, what I'm wondering is if the ns1: is causing a problem as well |
| 16:59.23 | timwis | but ns1 is defined in the envelope line |
| 17:00.40 | timwis | got the ticket id in there: http://codepad.org/NstOKepC |
| 17:01.19 | timwis | although it's applying a namespace to Id and the doc doesn't have a namespace for that |
| 17:03.41 | TuxToaster | one sec, trying something in a test file |
| 17:03.55 | timwis | got the namespace out of id |
| 17:05.25 | TuxToaster | ah |
| 17:05.28 | TuxToaster | so how does it look now? |
| 17:05.36 | timwis | http://codepad.org/MEaXJ4Y7 |
| 17:06.20 | TuxToaster | see what still bugs me is this ---> xmlns:ns1="http://novosolutions.com/" |
| 17:06.56 | timwis | in the docs it sets that in <AuthHeader> and <ViewTicket> |
| 17:07.04 | timwis | it seems like in my request, it's just making that a variable |
| 17:08.49 | timwis | i take it soapclient does POST by default, right? |
| 17:08.54 | TuxToaster | it could be, just wondering if calling ns1:ViewTicket would cause any problems vs just ViewTicket |
| 17:09.20 | TuxToaster | believe so |
| 17:09.56 | carmony | oh man... I'm glad I have some offsite doc backups :P |
| 17:09.57 | carmony | http://php.net/ |
| 17:10.21 | josephscott | carmony: blacked out your own copy of PHP docs? ;-) |
| 17:11.42 | carmony | lol |
| 17:12.35 | TuxToaster | timwis: is your WSDL setting the "SOAP-ENV" variable? |
| 17:13.04 | TuxToaster | because I notice the doc is epxecting soap: and it's sending SOAP-ENV: -- seems like there is a place you can configure that, but not sure where |
| 17:13.48 | timwis | but the opening line sets the namespace for SOAP-ENV just as the doc sets the namespace for soap |
| 17:14.13 | DexterTheDragon | https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7032/6717943059_ed5d80eb0f_o.jpg |
| 17:15.08 | TuxToaster | yeah just looked it up, it doesn't matter as long as they point to the same namespace uri |
| 17:16.11 | timwis | hm, very odd |
| 17:16.15 | fungus | carmony, http://us2.php.net/mirroring.php |
| 17:16.19 | timwis | all right well i have to get lunch before a meeting |
| 17:16.22 | timwis | but thanks for your help tuxtoaster |
| 17:16.24 | fungus | really cool way to have php doc really fast and local |
| 17:16.27 | timwis | definitely made progress, almost there |
| 17:16.35 | timwis | just posted it at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8914321/why-isnt-my-soap-request-working |
| 17:16.38 | carmony | fungus: lol, nice |
| 17:16.38 | TuxToaster | timwis: no worries, good luck |
| 17:16.39 | timwis | bbl |
| 17:21.39 | DexterTheDragon | this is what we're protesting right? http://stopsoap.com/ |
| 17:22.18 | fungus | lol |
| 17:22.38 | SunSparc | ~lolstats fungus |
| 17:22.38 | ibot | fungus has said lol 182 times (5.4 %), ranked 7/103 (percentile: 6.8 %) |
| 17:23.23 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: Yeah, matrix looking xml code is what we are protesting. |
| 17:23.42 | DexterTheDragon | stupid soap |
| 17:25.20 | TuxToaster | DexterTheDragon: LOL |
| 17:26.14 | SunSparc | Check out OpenDNS search results: http://guide.opendns.com/main?q=food |
| 17:27.47 | DexterTheDragon | https://www.pirateparty.org.au/ is the best |
| 17:34.03 | TuxToaster | I'm slightly disappointed that Google didn't do more, either blocking results like that or blacking out the home page. |
| 17:34.16 | TuxToaster | can you imagine how big of an effect it would be if Google shuttered their page for even a few hours? Congress would be flooded from the outcry. |
| 17:34.26 | TuxToaster | they'd almost have no choice. |
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| 17:38.32 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: So true. That would be a big eye opener. |
| 17:38.52 | TuxToaster | yup. Kind of surprised they didn't, if they are really that against it. |
| 17:38.55 | SunSparc | Wow, imagine if the entire Internet went black for an entire day.... |
| 17:39.05 | TuxToaster | I mean, even for a few hours it would be a huge impact. |
| 17:39.40 | TuxToaster | turning your logo black just doesn't get the point across to people, it doesn't prevent them from using the site. SOPA very likely would. |
| 17:39.43 | mindjuju_ | AWESOME! go to http://hatch.senate.gov/public/ |
| 17:39.46 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Well, as huge as Google is, even 10 minutes of blackout would be a massive message. |
| 17:40.19 | mindjuju_ | hatch = stooge for MPAA |
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| 17:40.40 | mindjuju_ | ha, his site has been down for last 10 minutes |
| 17:41.28 | SunSparc | mindjuju_: His site seems to be working for me. |
| 17:41.42 | influx | Same. |
| 17:41.56 | mindjuju_ | ~lart hatch |
| 17:41.56 | ibot | chops hatch in half with a free AOL CD |
| 17:41.57 | SunSparc | ~analyze mindjuju_'s connection |
| 17:42.11 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju's on hatch's blacklist |
| 17:42.24 | mindjuju_ | proud to be so |
| 17:42.39 | TuxToaster | $lart hatch |
| 17:42.40 | raifbot | whips out a sword and chops hatch in half. |
| 17:42.42 | mindjuju_ | in fact, i might put that on my resume |
| 17:42.48 | TuxToaster | apparently, both bots agree |
| 17:43.20 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:44.10 | TuxToaster | $8ball do you like SOPA? |
| 17:44.11 | raifbot | TuxToaster - It is decidedly so. |
| 17:44.24 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about now? |
| 17:44.25 | raifbot | TuxToaster - You may rely on it. |
| 17:44.29 | TuxToaster | bad bot. |
| 17:45.13 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 18:00.01 | mahelious | hatchs site is returning 324's. wonder if all the traffic he's getting is louder than the hollywood lobbyists |
| 18:00.26 | captbrogers | I'm not sure he understands what a website is and if he has one |
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| 18:04.20 | mahelious | sadly the only info im finding widely published is a url and twitter account. we need phone numbers, specifically home, cell, (probably cell2,) and office |
| 18:04.47 | mahelious | direct extension. loic his phone lines |
| 18:06.39 | mindjuju_ | @ mahelious, yeah, his site was totally down a little while ago |
| 18:06.55 | mindjuju_ | and while you're at it, rememeber Mike Lee too |
| 18:06.58 | mindjuju_ | he's a co-sponsor |
| 18:07.09 | mindjuju_ | Mike Lee is a MS stooge |
| 18:07.23 | mindjuju_ | just typing his name makes my hands feel dirty |
| 18:07.41 | SunSparc | http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/states |
| 18:07.48 | captbrogers | ノ( ゜-゜ノ) let's take all the governments |
| 18:07.48 | captbrogers | and put them in the ocean (ノ゜-゜)ノ |
| 18:09.50 | mahelious | would prefer to get all this SOPA/PIPA crap out of the way so the senate could do something beneficial for the country. |
| 18:09.54 | SunSparc | captbrogers: That would be nice. |
| 18:10.00 | mahelious | like setting congressional term limits. |
| 18:10.29 | mindjuju_ | mahelious, i'm curious what you'd set that to |
| 18:10.33 | SunSparc | mahelious: Do you actually think that our current congress is capable of doing something beneficial for the country? |
| 18:11.03 | captbrogers | I agree with SunSpac we need a metaphorical reboot of all people in office |
| 18:11.24 | mindjuju_ | ummm, i'm not sure a reboot is a good idea |
| 18:11.26 | mahelious | the presidency didnt have term limits until the 1900's. two was decided upon later. i think that fits congress as well. |
| 18:12.18 | captbrogers | Then we need a clean install |
| 18:12.25 | mahelious | the question isnt what they are capable of doing, its where the incentive lies. |
| 18:13.06 | mahelious | congress doesnt work atm because corporations twisted the incentives. now the people have to fix that. |
| 18:13.07 | mindjuju_ | captbrogers - the reboot isn't the prob, it's the lobbyist |
| 18:13.16 | mindjuju_ | creating a power vaccuum in DC is the last thing we need |
| 18:13.38 | captbrogers | Unless they were spherical congressmen in a vacuum... |
| 18:13.43 | mahelious | lobbying isnt necessarily a bad thing, we just need to prevent 20 year senators like Hatch that get bought off permanently |
| 18:14.07 | mindjuju_ | length of time is an issue, that's for sure |
| 18:14.26 | mindjuju_ | but think about Obama for a sec, didn't he promise that there wouldn't be any former lobbyist in his cabinet / |
| 18:14.40 | mindjuju_ | wasn't it like 3 weeks later guy from Raytheon was appointed? |
| 18:15.47 | mahelious | promises from politicians are fiat, which makes me so worried about that military bill that got passed over new years |
| 18:16.58 | mahelious | but thats the problem, isnt it. if we can't trust our representatives...if the chain of trust with our elected officials is broken, then our government has failed anyway. |
| 18:17.07 | mindjuju_ | yes |
| 18:17.25 | mindjuju_ | but rapidly ejecting everybody out isn't the right way to go |
| 18:17.45 | mindjuju_ | think destabiliation, chaos |
| 18:18.13 | mindjuju_ | we're already sitting on a powder keg with unemployment as high as it is and a second round of toxic mortgages coming around |
| 18:18.19 | DexterTheDragon | http://rootstrikers.org/ |
| 18:18.42 | mahelious | i dont think we're far from the point of violent revolution being the peoples last recourse. |
| 18:18.46 | stderr- | mindjuju_: Obama never said any ex-lobbyists. |
| 18:19.20 | mahelious | tabula rasa in congress this election cycle might be the last option |
| 18:19.47 | unum | mahelious: did you find the office numbers you need |
| 18:19.57 | unum | this time I promise it won't be a fax number :) |
| 18:20.36 | unum | I recommend the congress app if you have a driod |
| 18:20.42 | unum | makes this sort of thing really easy |
| 18:20.46 | mahelious | havent gone looking. i like the idea of tying up hatch's phone lines, but im far too jaded to actually take part |
| 18:21.00 | unum | I was put on hold for about 30 seconds |
| 18:21.01 | mindjuju_ | stderr- -- i'll reverify what i remember, but pretty sure that's close to mark |
| 18:21.06 | unum | got straight through to every one else |
| 18:21.21 | unum | 202-224-6331 |
| 18:21.24 | unum | oops |
| 18:21.33 | unum | but that's hatch's number |
| 18:21.36 | mindjuju_ | do you remember otherwise or have a clarification? <- stderr- |
| 18:22.49 | stderr- | It was called the revolving door ban. Any former lobbyist could not serve in an area where they had worked as a lobbyist within the past 2 years. |
| 18:22.53 | mindjuju_ | here is something i pulled up really fast on it, not the best source, but a first source - http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/01/22/no-lobbyist-in-the-obama-administration--except-when-there-is-one |
| 18:24.12 | mindjuju_ | so these are the names i couldn't remember - Mr. Obama's nominee for deputy secretary of defense, William Lynn, has been a lobbyist for the defense contractor Raytheon |
| 18:24.31 | mindjuju_ | again, bad source, but i think the name / situation will be constant and verifiable |
| 18:24.48 | stderr- | Lynn received a waiver. I agree it broke the rules Obama had set, I was just correcting your statement about former lobbyists. |
| 18:24.56 | mindjuju_ | ah gotcha |
| 18:25.30 | mindjuju_ | and truth told, i wasn't really an argument on Pres Obama, but rather, that lobbyist have a far stronger control that we, acknowledge |
| 18:27.41 | mindjuju_ | mahelious -- i agree there is much bad to be cleaned out in government, but doing it all at once may do more damage than good (my opinion) |
| 18:29.27 | captbrogers | I do think it would cause heavy strain to our economy, but I almost feel like doing that may be better than replacing small chunks at a time. Seems like the corruption is cancerous and would simply spread |
| 18:30.24 | mindjuju_ | hard to tell which step is right, risk on both sides |
| 18:31.05 | captbrogers | I completely agree, there isn't a situation where getting out of this mess won't be precarious |
| 18:34.28 | mahelious | captbrogers: thats what i think as well. the established cronyism is contagious |
| 18:35.10 | mahelious | new senators come in and are immediately put on the take. even if they are leery of it, they almost immediately see thats just the way things are done |
| 18:36.04 | mindjuju_ | if that's true then how is reboot going to stop the new officials from being corrupted by the same source as the outgoing? |
| 18:36.06 | mindjuju_ | just curious |
| 18:37.09 | mindjuju_ | or time limits to stop? methinks it'll only quicken the pace, not stop |
| 18:37.48 | captbrogers | I don't think it would completely, I just believe that maybe not total replacement but massive replacement would be effective. I think there will always be some corruption but less people believe in the status quo, the less the status quo remains |
| 18:38.30 | carmony | QotD: "MPAA calls the Internet going dark in protest of SOPA "An abuse of power". In related news, the Eye of Sauron accuses Hobbits of terrorism." |
| 18:38.42 | captbrogers | lol |
| 18:38.48 | mindjuju_ | nice |
| 18:39.00 | captbrogers | That's going on tiwtter |
| 18:41.53 | mindjuju_ | thx carmony, tweeted! |
| 18:42.02 | mindjuju_ | i tried to give you creds, but there wasn't enough space |
| 18:42.15 | captbrogers | But if anyone asks, you get credit |
| 18:42.20 | mindjuju_ | fo sho! |
| 18:42.26 | mindjuju_ | ~carmony++ |
| 18:42.43 | captbrogers | ... |
| 18:42.51 | captbrogers | ~carmony++ |
| 18:43.00 | captbrogers | ~karma carmony |
| 18:43.00 | ibot | carmony has karma of 20 |
| 18:43.19 | mindjuju_ | ... |
| 18:43.39 | mindjuju_ | here it is, Karma at level 20 is your next life as the MS kernel writer |
| 18:43.42 | captbrogers | A bouncy ball or a plastic toy car |
| 18:43.48 | mindjuju_ | sorry, that doesn't sound like a happy life :( |
| 18:44.11 | mindjuju_ | ~carmony++ |
| 18:48.05 | influx | ~karma influx |
| 18:48.05 | ibot | influx has karma of 9 |
| 18:48.50 | mindjuju_ | ~influx++ |
| 18:49.19 | carmony | lol |
| 18:49.25 | carmony | I got a lot more work to do |
| 18:49.34 | influx | Le frown. |
| 18:49.50 | influx | mindjuju_: Tell me. I can take it. |
| 18:51.22 | mgeary | ~karma |
| 18:51.22 | ibot | mgeary has karma of 54 |
| 18:51.41 | mgeary | ~karma fungus |
| 18:51.41 | ibot | fungus has karma of 91 |
| 18:52.00 | mgeary | me looks around for a fern to hide behind |
| 18:52.11 | mgeary | sheesh, fungus. You been working at the soup kitchen lately>? |
| 18:52.26 | mindjuju_ | we need to stop giving fungus karma points, he'll transcend into nirvana if we keep this up |
| 18:52.31 | mindjuju_ | and then who will we get answers from |
| 18:52.33 | mindjuju_ | who i say? |
| 18:52.46 | fungus | didn't you hear, i'm aiming to be the next Jesus |
| 18:53.08 | mindjuju_ | yeah, i saw your link from yesterday |
| 18:53.14 | fungus | lol |
| 18:55.38 | mindjuju_ | wow, what a git! Rupert Murdoch = "Big bipartisan majorities both houses sold out by POTUS for search engines. How about 2.2 m workers in entertainment industry? Piracy rules," |
| 18:55.49 | mindjuju_ | as if he REALLY cares about the jobs and not the bottom line |
| 18:56.06 | mindjuju_ | k, i need to get back to work, nobody distract me further with SOPA |
| 18:56.29 | influx | mindjuju_: How about some nice clam chowder? |
| 18:56.41 | mindjuju_ | new england or manhattan ? |
| 18:56.54 | influx | New England. |
| 18:57.01 | mindjuju_ | oh yum, sure i'll have a bowl |
| 18:59.58 | influx | http://deadink.org/images/chowder.jpg |
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| 19:08.06 | influx | Swingnamiss. |
| 19:10.50 | jnbek | lol mindjuju_ Hobbit terrorist |
| 19:11.13 | mindjuju_ | i love it, but must give creds to carmony for coming up with it |
| 19:11.43 | carmony | lol, I saw it somewhere else on twitter :P |
| 19:11.53 | jnbek | that was most awesome |
| 19:15.36 | wps | ha ha ha ha ha ha |
| 19:15.52 | wps | I'm reviewing resumes and this guy has experience with FTP clients listed as a qualification |
| 19:16.11 | carmony | lol |
| 19:16.20 | carmony | that is called scrapping the barrel |
| 19:16.24 | itimber | could you imagine not having that skill |
| 19:16.29 | itimber | would be tough |
| 19:16.32 | romanovic | just kidding |
| 19:16.33 | itimber | hahaha |
| 19:16.44 | wps | I'm not going to call him in |
| 19:16.48 | wps | SFTP? maybe |
| 19:16.53 | wps | but not FTP |
| 19:16.54 | captbrogers | Was the resume built by a head hunter? |
| 19:17.06 | itimber | 'I have experience with file-zillow' |
| 19:17.34 | wps | his resume appears to have been made my Microsoft Word |
| 19:18.21 | wps | he also lists experience with cpanel |
| 19:18.22 | wps | ha ha ha ha ha |
| 19:18.35 | tierra | well, my experience with FTP clients actually includes code written for the FileZilla project... maybe that's what he meant? hehe |
| 19:21.16 | fungus | or maybe writing FTP clients in PHP |
| 19:21.52 | captbrogers | Sounds like the kid is just trying to list what he knows, I had to do that when I first started out |
| 19:22.25 | fungus | I did too, but I was applying for crappy tech support jobs back then. |
| 19:22.40 | captbrogers | True, what was the position he applied for |
| 19:23.18 | mindjuju_ | i just help somebody with their resume who had VERY few qualifications and a very old version of MS word (i recognize the resume template from a long time ago) |
| 19:23.28 | romanovic | "emails, sending emails, receiving emails, deleting emails" |
| 19:23.40 | wps | :) |
| 19:23.44 | mindjuju_ | IT Crowd, love it |
| 19:23.52 | wps | it was for a UI/Front-end developer position |
| 19:23.55 | romanovic | "The web, using a mouse" |
| 19:24.31 | captbrogers | Yeah, that wouldn't do all that well |
| 19:24.50 | mahelious | lord save me from recruiters... |
| 19:30.39 | influx | msg mindjuju_ Ahoy hoy. |
| 19:30.44 | influx | U_U |
| 19:32.53 | captbrogers | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-TV4jaCMk |
| 19:32.57 | captbrogers | Awesome |
| 19:33.47 | josePHPagoda | that it is |
| 19:34.49 | influx | Anyone up for helping me figure out what my level of know-how is PHP-wise? |
| 19:34.58 | jtsnow | Neat... http://www.hellofax.com/StopSOPA - Perhaps a fax is more effective than a bulk petition or webform submission |
| 19:35.18 | jsmith | influx: depends... what do you have in mind? |
| 19:35.22 | captbrogers | influx: ask the 8ball |
| 19:35.29 | influx | I'm trying to figure out where I fit as far as Jr./Sr./? level titles go. |
| 19:35.37 | captbrogers | $8ball is influx's skill senior |
| 19:35.38 | raifbot | captbrogers - Very doubtful. |
| 19:35.40 | influx | I don't consider myself senior, but I'm not sure if I should call myself Jr. either. |
| 19:35.42 | captbrogers | There you go |
| 19:35.48 | influx | jsmith: See above. |
| 19:36.14 | jsmith | influx: If you're smart enough to know that, you're neither Jr. nor Sr. |
| 19:36.52 | jsmith | influx: A Jr. programmer obviously knows he's not a Sr. programmer |
| 19:36.58 | unum | influx: it's often determined by years experience. How many years do you have as a full time professional web developer? |
| 19:37.06 | jsmith | influx: And a Sr. Programmer would refer to himself as a "software engineer" |
| 19:37.08 | Bikerdan | PHP developer |
| 19:37.25 | Bikerdan | And after Software engineer? |
| 19:37.26 | unum | jsmith: ya I switched to that title after a couple of years- |
| 19:37.26 | captbrogers | 5+ years is usually the mark I would set for a senior |
| 19:37.31 | Bikerdan | Software Architect? |
| 19:37.32 | unum | now I'm thinking about architec |
| 19:37.39 | unum | t |
| 19:37.41 | captbrogers | Well, depending on what you do in those years it could be sooner |
| 19:37.50 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Yeah, and after that -- Software Dreamer... :-p |
| 19:37.54 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 19:38.00 | Bikerdan | Software Oracle |
| 19:38.08 | influx | Professionally, only started counting last year. |
| 19:38.09 | captbrogers | Then...Software Inception |
| 19:38.24 | unum | influx: who do you work for? |
| 19:38.26 | captbrogers | You can make helpers within helpers an |
| 19:38.30 | mahelious | i know a few "senior" programmers. they're managers in disguise |
| 19:38.32 | captbrogers | ...d stuff |
| 19:38.36 | Bikerdan | influx: There are some weird side effects with that level... |
| 19:38.37 | influx | unum: Being pimped out by a recruitment agency. |
| 19:38.41 | mahelious | like the pod people of software |
| 19:38.56 | influx | Currently working at a digital advertising agency. |
| 19:39.23 | Bikerdan | -influx +captrogers |
| 19:39.25 | unum | influx: writing PHP code full time? |
| 19:39.47 | captbrogers | Well I wouldn't say it's all 8 hours of his day |
| 19:39.50 | captbrogers | More like 2 or 3 |
| 19:40.08 | captbrogers | The rest of the time is spent between youtube, here, twitter, and napping |
| 19:40.11 | unum | I'd say you're entry level |
| 19:40.21 | mahelious | be nice to influx. whoring php skills is better than unemployment, and in this economy even pimps look pretty good |
| 19:40.29 | influx | unum: Not for pay, unfortunately. The work I'm doing here right now is vanilla HTML-to-PSD stuff. I've heard whisper that I may get some PHP work on this assignment. |
| 19:40.41 | jtsnow | influx: if you're looking to make a switch, we are hiring at my place of work |
| 19:41.02 | influx | jtsnow: Solution Stream, yes? |
| 19:41.38 | jtsnow | influx: Digitaria (http://www.digitaria.com/) |
| 19:41.44 | influx | My mistake. Sorry. |
| 19:41.49 | captbrogers | I'm at SolutionStream |
| 19:44.09 | jtsnow | Also a digital agency, but the separation between software engineering, front end developers, and designers is great. |
| 19:44.39 | jtsnow | I've never had to slice a PSD and rarely have to muck with CSS |
| 19:44.40 | captbrogers | It's not just a seperation, I'd say it's the grand canyon |
| 19:48.27 | josePHPagoda | so I know this is more of an apache thing, but maybe someone can help me out |
| 19:48.52 | josePHPagoda | if I've got a header (X_FORWARDED_PROTO) and i'm wanting to ensure that people are only hitting my site using https |
| 19:49.12 | josePHPagoda | http://pastebin.com/EyH5hKgv |
| 19:49.17 | josePHPagoda | wouldn't something like that work? |
| 19:49.59 | josePHPagoda | i've only ever attempted this with php |
| 19:50.13 | josePHPagoda | but i'm curious to see it done with htaccess |
| 19:52.16 | Bikerdan | mindjuju around? |
| 19:54.02 | fungus | josePHPagoda, probably better to use the special mod_rewrite variable HTTPS |
| 19:54.17 | josePHPagoda | how so? |
| 19:54.23 | josePHPagoda | (i'm a newb with htaccess and such) |
| 19:54.33 | fungus | It's set to on if the connection is over HTTPS |
| 19:54.51 | josePHPagoda | but the termination for https happens before it reaches apache |
| 19:55.10 | fungus | oh, that changes things. |
| 19:55.11 | fungus | nvm |
| 19:55.14 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 19:55.24 | josePHPagoda | else i'd have this done already :-P |
| 19:56.11 | fungus | Only suggestion would be to change the rule a bit |
| 19:56.19 | josePHPagoda | in what ways? |
| 19:56.35 | fungus | RewriteRule (.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1 |
| 19:57.11 | fungus | That will be sure to capture GET params |
| 19:57.17 | ninnypants | josePHPagoda: that looks right |
| 19:57.25 | josePHPagoda | http://pastebin.com/vqW3hHtA |
| 19:57.31 | josePHPagoda | so like that? |
| 19:58.01 | fungus | Yeah |
| 19:59.02 | josePHPagoda | ok |
| 19:59.06 | josePHPagoda | i'll try it |
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| 20:03.49 | fungus | josePHPagoda, I just thought of something, you might need to add a [R] flag. |
| 20:04.40 | tubaguy50035 | @fungus: I'm the guy he's helping |
| 20:04.52 | tubaguy50035 | does [R] just go after the $1 |
| 20:05.07 | fungus | yup, after a space |
| 20:05.16 | tubaguy50035 | kk |
| 20:05.21 | fungus | RewriteRule (.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1 [R] |
| 20:05.30 | captbrogers | I assume that you aren't just forcing https for a reason? |
| 20:05.47 | tubaguy50035 | the homepage has a log in box |
| 20:05.56 | josePHPagoda | what's the R flag due? |
| 20:06.09 | josePHPagoda | thanks fungus |
| 20:06.13 | josePHPagoda | :-D |
| 20:06.14 | fungus | it sends the client (or Proxy in your case) a redirect |
| 20:06.21 | tubaguy50035 | that sends the info to the application which is on zend framework, the rest is not. figured it would be easier if it was all ssl |
| 20:06.39 | tubaguy50035 | The [R] flag did not help |
| 20:07.36 | tubaguy50035 | This is what I have: http://pastebin.com/PXxiej9e |
| 20:08.18 | fungus | What is happening? is the webserver sending the 302 redirect to the proxy? |
| 20:08.34 | josePHPagoda | fungus: the redirect works |
| 20:08.42 | josePHPagoda | (we've got people doing htaccess redirecting all of the time) |
| 20:08.51 | josePHPagoda | it seems to me that the condition isn't firing |
| 20:09.05 | fungus | ah |
| 20:10.22 | fungus | oh the variable for non-standard headers needs to be %{HTTP:X_FORWARDED_PROTO} |
| 20:10.48 | tubaguy50035 | trying it now |
| 20:11.17 | josePHPagoda | ah |
| 20:11.17 | josePHPagoda | i figured it'd be something like that |
| 20:11.17 | josePHPagoda | cuz php sees it as |
| 20:11.17 | josePHPagoda | HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO |
| 20:11.17 | josePHPagoda | kk |
| 20:12.56 | josePHPagoda | i really appreciate your help fungus :-D |
| 20:13.12 | fungus | np |
| 20:13.18 | tubaguy50035 | not redirecting |
| 20:13.52 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 20:14.25 | tubaguy50035 | again, this is what I have: http://pastebin.com/n1N7PAqf |
| 20:16.02 | josePHPagoda | i think i got it |
| 20:16.06 | josePHPagoda | let me edit our pastebin |
| 20:17.51 | josePHPagoda | one second tubaguy50035 |
| 20:17.59 | tubaguy50035 | kk |
| 20:18.32 | josePHPagoda | http://pastebin.com/yNUCQq9e |
| 20:18.35 | josePHPagoda | try that |
| 20:20.08 | tubaguy50035 | The condition is now always true for some reason |
| 20:20.19 | tubaguy50035 | so redirect loop |
| 20:20.31 | josePHPagoda | hmm |
| 20:20.35 | josePHPagoda | ok |
| 20:20.37 | josePHPagoda | but we're getting closer |
| 20:20.41 | josePHPagoda | it's at least being seen now |
| 20:21.19 | josePHPagoda | i think it's just checking for it's presense, and not it's content |
| 20:21.58 | josePHPagoda | do we need to put an = before http? |
| 20:22.21 | josePHPagoda | http://pastebin.com/c31PTEBL |
| 20:22.25 | josePHPagoda | like that? |
| 20:23.05 | tubaguy50035 | let me try it |
| 20:23.46 | josePHPagoda | fungus, does that make sense? |
| 20:23.47 | tubaguy50035 | works! |
| 20:24.26 | carmony | w000000t, Orrin Hatch is pulling his sponsorship of PIPA. :P |
| 20:24.40 | fungus | lol, yeah, didn't notice that part. |
| 20:24.48 | josePHPagoda | i'd say "pulling" |
| 20:24.51 | fungus | RewriteCond is a regex compare by default |
| 20:24.57 | josePHPagoda | probably just "waiting until it is more convenient" |
| 20:25.02 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 20:25.07 | josePHPagoda | and http is inside of https |
| 20:25.11 | josePHPagoda | so it always returned true |
| 20:25.13 | fungus | hehe, yup |
| 20:25.18 | josePHPagoda | tubaguy50035: so that worked for you? |
| 20:25.22 | tubaguy50035 | ah |
| 20:25.22 | tubaguy50035 | yes |
| 20:25.45 | unum | matheson has stated his opposition |
| 20:25.51 | unum | carmony: link? |
| 20:25.59 | josePHPagoda | excellent |
| 20:26.04 | josePHPagoda | sry for the headache |
| 20:26.08 | josePHPagoda | can you pastebin me your final version? |
| 20:26.12 | tubaguy50035 | np thanks for helping me |
| 20:26.13 | josePHPagoda | and we'll make sure that gets into the docs somehow |
| 20:26.22 | tubaguy50035 | good deal |
| 20:26.40 | carmony | unum: https://twitter.com/#!/OrrinHatch |
| 20:27.09 | carmony | unum: We'll still have to watch him to make sure they just don't change names and not address the core issues |
| 20:27.48 | unum | carmony: or role it in with an other bill |
| 20:28.01 | carmony | yeah |
| 20:28.07 | mindjuju_ | wow, he's gotten some plastic surgery or a face lift or at least a dermascrub! |
| 20:28.58 | mgeary | hey, i need some help brainstorming a good way to scale up an application. jsmith, you got some mental bandwidth? others? |
| 20:29.24 | josePHPagoda | mgeary: i might be able to help |
| 20:29.24 | captbrogers | mgeary: applications that scale? aliens. |
| 20:29.46 | mgeary | i've got a couple of bottlenecks: 1) point of upload, and 2) a query-intensive data parsing script |
| 20:29.47 | josePHPagoda | i have a very good (nearly infinite) scalable app |
| 20:29.47 | josePHPagoda | it's all just static content |
| 20:29.47 | josePHPagoda | :-D |
| 20:29.49 | josePHPagoda | very few bottlenecks |
| 20:29.53 | jsmith | mgeary: Not right this second, unfortunately... up to my eyeballs in meetings today |
| 20:30.08 | mgeary | well, i'll lay it out and see what others have to offer |
| 20:30.11 | josePHPagoda | ok |
| 20:30.39 | mgeary | so, let's say i have 100 clients, all of whom upload a ~5 mb zip file to my app on a nightly basis |
| 20:31.15 | mgeary | my app unpacks that, does a fairly low-intensity import into the database, and then begins a high-intensity data analysis process |
| 20:31.31 | mgeary | let's say each client's data takes 20 minutes to process |
| 20:31.53 | mgeary | 2000 minutes for 100 clients aint gonna work, so we need to scale |
| 20:32.22 | mindjuju_ | you know, eggyknap gave a preso that hits close to this |
| 20:32.28 | mgeary | so, first bottleneck is easy, we set up the DNS on the upload server so it resolves to, say, 10 different IPs, behind which are 10 servers, all identically configured |
| 20:32.44 | josePHPagoda | mgeary, that would help there |
| 20:32.52 | josePHPagoda | what type of analysis are you doing |
| 20:32.55 | josePHPagoda | ? |
| 20:32.55 | mgeary | the tricky part is on the data analysis |
| 20:33.00 | mindjuju_ | if i recall, he suggested in a case like this, to offload the analysis to a second sql server and have it update the anayalsis to the web databse |
| 20:33.06 | mgeary | right |
| 20:33.09 | mgeary | that's my plan |
| 20:33.12 | mgeary | sort of |
| 20:33.27 | josePHPagoda | depending on the analysis, you might do better using an analytics database |
| 20:33.47 | josePHPagoda | and then migrating your information there post analysis |
| 20:33.54 | carmony | mgeary: depending on the data analysis your performing, you might be able to pipe the import into Redis, crunch the data there, and export the results to mysql |
| 20:33.55 | mindjuju_ | you know mgeary, with the data warehouse experience that eggyknap has, you may want to hold for him |
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| 20:34.09 | mgeary | what i'm envisioning is that each of these 10 upload servers are mysql slaves of my master DB |
| 20:34.25 | mgeary | reads happen to the local slave, and writes happen to the master |
| 20:34.41 | josePHPagoda | mgeary, keep in mind that if you are doing statement based replication, everything that hits the master will hit the slaves |
| 20:34.52 | mgeary | however, some of the reads would be dependent on some of the writes already having propagated to the slaves |
| 20:34.58 | josePHPagoda | yup |
| 20:35.31 | mgeary | and from what i know, i can't necessarily guarantee that the needed writes have propagated to the local slave in time for the next read that needs that data |
| 20:35.38 | mgeary | therein lies my current problem, i think |
| 20:37.15 | mgeary | i've also considered sharding the client data across multiple master DBs. However, i have no experience there, and am not sure how to best handle things like authentication, which need to be done against a centralized table, against which the sharded data would still need to join |
| 20:37.26 | mgeary | SO, any thoughts? |
| 20:38.12 | mindjuju_ | ~seen eggyknap |
| 20:38.23 | ibot | eggyknap <~jtolley@unaffiliated/eggyknap> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 12d 22h 51m 24s ago, saying: 'srsly'. |
| 20:40.06 | josePHPagoda | orly |
| 20:40.18 | josePHPagoda | mgeary: what sort of analysis are you doing? |
| 20:40.25 | josePHPagoda | like math stuff? |
| 20:40.42 | mgeary | no |
| 20:51.50 | Bikerdan | mindjuju |
| 20:52.16 | Bikerdan | Are you able to log in the the minecraft server? |
| 20:52.22 | mindjuju_ | Bikerdan, i like your place in survival mode btw |
| 20:52.24 | mindjuju_ | checking |
| 20:52.29 | Bikerdan | Thx |
| 20:52.30 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 20:52.55 | fungus | mgeary, if you can closer identify the bottleneck there might be simpler options. |
| 20:53.23 | mindjuju_ | Bikerdan, many many errors |
| 20:53.27 | Bikerdan | Hmmmm |
| 20:53.28 | fungus | eg. MySQL I/O - get more/faster disks. MySQL CPU - more/faster CPUs |
| 20:53.29 | mindjuju_ | i'll reset and then look at logs to see what up |
| 20:53.47 | Bikerdan | When I try to connect it gets to the downloading terrain or whatever and just hangs. |
| 21:13.44 | TuxToaster | wow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pGJCBGhyO7o |
| 21:18.03 | mindjuju_ | hey Bikerdan, want to give it a try now, i was trying to work another issue out while it was down, but it looks like it'll take more time |
| 21:18.10 | mindjuju_ | srry took so long |
| 21:19.18 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: that's amazing |
| 21:19.24 | itimber | anyone know how to rekey an array, using it's same order, but starting at a particular key and moving forward, then starting again at the beginning of the array till it reaches it's starting position? |
| 21:20.13 | itimber | ex: array(1,2,3,4), picking pointer 2 so the result is array(3,4,1,2) |
| 21:20.31 | TuxToaster | numerical indexes or keyed? |
| 21:20.38 | itimber | numerical |
| 21:21.32 | TuxToaster | seems like you could pull it off a few ways, one would be for($i = 3; $i < count($array); $i++) and then for($i = 0; $i < 3; $i++) |
| 21:22.11 | TuxToaster | or otherwise you could manually increment a counter and do some adjustments, etc. |
| 21:22.16 | itimber | ya…. I guess a loop is the only way |
| 21:22.24 | itimber | I was hoping for something more elegant |
| 21:22.31 | itimber | but that will work just fine |
| 21:22.32 | TuxToaster | but I don't think there's any builtin methods that would make it easier (that I'm aware of) |
| 21:22.38 | itimber | ya |
| 21:22.39 | itimber | k |
| 21:22.42 | itimber | thanks man |
| 21:22.47 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 21:22.50 | itimber | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 21:22.55 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 21:23.14 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: yeah, crazy, no? |
| 21:23.40 | stderr- | couldn't you use a combination of array_slice and array_merge? |
| 21:24.26 | mahelious | isnt there a function that uses one array for keys and another for values? |
| 21:24.34 | TuxToaster | stderr-: ooh |
| 21:24.44 | mahelious | array_combine |
| 21:25.26 | stderr- | array_slice from the starting position, use the resulting slice to merge with what's left of the old array. |
| 21:25.40 | TuxToaster | so you'd do $temp_array = array_offset($array, 3); $new_array = array_merge($array, $temp_array); |
| 21:25.40 | itimber | stderr-: yes, absolutely |
| 21:26.26 | TuxToaster | err |
| 21:26.28 | stderr- | p.s. what's up itimber |
| 21:26.37 | TuxToaster | $temp_array = array_slice($array, 3); $new_array = array_merge($array, $temp_array); |
| 21:26.59 | TuxToaster | much cleaner than two for loops :-) |
| 21:27.05 | TuxToaster | ~stderr-++ |
| 21:27.16 | stderr- | TuxToaster: well, and I may be mistaken, but you'd probably want $new_array = array_merge($temp_array, $array); |
| 21:27.31 | stderr- | maybe not, I haven't used PHP in a long, long time. |
| 21:27.38 | stderr- | but yea that's a good starting point. |
| 21:27.56 | itimber | stderr-: loving this Kansas weather, baby |
| 21:27.58 | itimber | :) |
| 21:28.05 | itimber | what are you up to, man? |
| 21:28.25 | mindjuju_ | oh man, i didn't see that google put a black box over their name, hilarous! |
| 21:28.42 | itimber | php.net followed suite |
| 21:29.07 | stderr- | Not much, just hacking away in Ruby and Python most of the time. Taking care of my 5 month daughter, writing a video game in my spare time. |
| 21:29.25 | itimber | 5 mo daughter!!! |
| 21:29.26 | stderr- | http://prototype.php.net/ new PHP.net design, btw. |
| 21:29.27 | itimber | that's awesome |
| 21:29.58 | itimber | (the prototype.php.net layout is also awesome) |
| 21:31.42 | TuxToaster | itimber: so here you go. $new_array = array_merge(array_slice($array, $start),array_slice($array, 0, $start)); |
| 21:31.49 | TuxToaster | where $start is the index you want to start at |
| 21:32.05 | TuxToaster | since array_slice doesn't modify the array in place |
| 21:32.11 | stderr- | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 21:32.34 | itimber | thank you TuxToaster |
| 21:32.40 | itimber | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 21:32.49 | TuxToaster | no problemo |
| 21:33.04 | TuxToaster | good idea on using the slice, I've never played with it before |
| 21:33.07 | TuxToaster | seems handy |
| 21:39.12 | mgeary | hey, why isn't this working: find . | grep ".(inc|php)$" |
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| 21:41.47 | ninnypants | I think I might start using the documentation from prototype.php.net far easier to read |
| 21:41.51 | ninnypants | the new look is really good |
| 21:46.54 | fungus | mgeary, change that to egrep |
| 21:47.02 | fungus | the parentheses are extended grep |
| 21:47.14 | mgeary | ah, or grep -E |
| 21:47.18 | SunSparc | Ok, have you guys seen this? https://github.com/DanielRapp/twss.js |
| 21:47.19 | mgeary | i had tried grep -e |
| 21:47.20 | fungus | yup, that too |
| 21:47.22 | mgeary | but not -E |
| 21:47.34 | TuxToaster | mgeary: find . | grep -Ei ".(inc|php)$" |
| 21:48.02 | fungus | or find . -iname \*.inc -o -iname \*.php |
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| 21:49.02 | itimber | SunSparc: haha |
| 21:49.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:49.20 | itimber | stderr-: congrats on the baby! |
| 21:49.40 | SunSparc | ~twss |
| 21:50.13 | stderr- | itimber: danke, sir |
| 21:50.54 | stderr- | TuxToaster: *snort* find? Emacs ido, baby! |
| 21:51.05 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:51.24 | TuxToaster | I honestly usually do ls -R | grep... |
| 21:51.37 | TuxToaster | which honestly sucks if the file is in a subfolder |
| 21:51.56 | TuxToaster | or even just locate <file> |
| 21:53.12 | Monnok | find is easy |
| 21:53.25 | Monnok | at least the way i do it |
| 21:53.29 | fungus | locate is good if it's an older file, and your machine is updating the locate database. |
| 21:53.33 | Monnok | find . -name <file> |
| 21:53.49 | Monnok | fungus: and if locate is installed |
| 21:54.06 | fungus | heh, that too. |
| 21:54.11 | Monnok | ive run into a few servers that dont have it, sux |
| 21:54.47 | SunSparc | I hear that locate can be a security issue. |
| 21:55.03 | TuxToaster | I usually just use updatedb if locate doesn't find something |
| 21:55.13 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: it could be, depending on the setup |
| 21:55.20 | fungus | that's usually slower than running find. |
| 21:55.34 | TuxToaster | if you run the update as root then it will cache files that shouldn't be visible to normal users |
| 21:55.36 | Monnok | you mean updatedb? yes |
| 21:55.43 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Yep |
| 21:55.51 | TuxToaster | fungus: it can be, yes. Which is why I need to get better at find syntax |
| 21:55.57 | stderr- | SunSparc: slocate respects file ownership. |
| 21:56.19 | SunSparc | stderr-: oh yes? That is good to know. |
| 21:56.25 | TuxToaster | yeah most systems use slocate or mlocate now I think |
| 22:22.49 | influx | TuxToaster: http://www.commandlinefu.com/ |
| 22:24.26 | TuxToaster | ~influx++ |
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| 22:32.07 | mindjuju_ | sup eggyknap |
| 22:32.25 | eggyknap | My DSL, finally. How about you? :) |
| 22:32.50 | mindjuju_ | just filling out a surveyfor PCI stuff |
| 22:32.56 | mindjuju_ | did you see email on mgeary qq? |
| 22:32.59 | josePHPagoda | ah yes... PCI |
| 22:33.02 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 22:35.21 | eggyknap | I haven't seen any emails yet... DSL has been out since 6 AM, and is finally back, so I'm catching up. |
| 22:36.00 | mindjuju_ | so eggyknap, remember like 3+ yrs ago when you gave a preso for #uphpu on databases + php |
| 22:36.17 | eggyknap | Indeed I do. |
| 22:36.41 | mindjuju_ | at that time, i think it was me that was asking a question on runningintensive queries on the website database |
| 22:37.02 | mindjuju_ | and if i recall, you suggested offloading it to a different database and updating from that one to the web database |
| 22:37.22 | mindjuju_ | mgeary is in similar predicament where he's got some 100 nightly jobs that each take 5 min |
| 22:37.48 | mindjuju_ | seems like there was some other constraints that the had to meet also, dont remember what it is |
| 22:39.25 | mindjuju_ | i've always wanted to study that |
| 22:39.37 | mindjuju_ | alas, i usually outsource it to PHP |
| 22:40.00 | eggyknap | Bleh! :) |
| 22:40.05 | josePHPagoda | dbs are usually quicker |
| 22:40.12 | josePHPagoda | stored procedures can be handy |
| 22:42.07 | Utah_Dave | does anyone have any positive experiences with any project management software? I'd prefer something FLOSS, but am not against paying for something that's terrific |
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| 22:43.24 | Utah_Dave | I'm looking at redmine right now |
| 22:43.33 | mindjuju_ | redmine is good |
| 22:43.43 | mindjuju_ | DtD got us hooked on it, we're using it at last job and this one |
| 22:44.10 | Utah_Dave | seems like it has quite a few new features that it didn't have when I looked at it a few years ago |
| 22:58.54 | Bikerdan | mindjuju: minecraft seems to be working now. |
| 23:00.29 | mindjuju_ | :) |
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| 23:48.06 | TuxToaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybXrrTX3LuI |
| 23:48.13 | mindjuju_ | love that video |
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| 23:52.28 | mgeary | anyone know anyone looking for HTML/front-end work? I believe it might need to be onsite |
| 23:52.49 | mindjuju_ | i was helping somebody about a week ago find that kind of position |
| 23:52.56 | mindjuju_ | entry level / intern |
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| 23:53.02 | mindjuju_ | can send me info mgeary? |
| 23:53.42 | macnewbold | if anyone is looking for full time front-end/JS work, they're hiring here for a position like that |
| 23:54.00 | macnewbold | a JS ninja would be very desirable |
| 23:54.11 | macnewbold | here=vivint.com |
| 23:54.22 | macnewbold | contact wps if you're interested |
| 23:54.25 | macnewbold | or know someone |
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