| 00:01.06 | josephscott | $8ball can you cheer up beandog ? |
| 00:01.06 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes. |
| 00:01.14 | beandog | $8ball is a date just a phone call away? |
| 00:01.15 | raifbot | beandog - Don't count on it. |
| 00:01.17 | beandog | :C |
| 00:01.23 | beandog | this thing seems zeroed in on me pretty well |
| 00:01.40 | beandog | $8ball should I buy three cats to live with |
| 00:01.41 | raifbot | beandog - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 00:02.59 | beandog | $8ball am I manly cat lady? |
| 00:03.00 | raifbot | beandog - Better not tell you now. |
| 00:35.45 | beandog | I'm totally going to tell the next girl I go out with that I get my dating advice from IRC |
| 00:37.46 | mahelious | ive calculated 20 possible outcomes, none of which end well for you. |
| 00:38.04 | beandog | $8ball will things end well |
| 00:38.05 | raifbot | beandog - Ask again later. |
| 00:38.06 | josephscott | hmmm, that could over in several different ways, depending on the geek cred of the girl :-) |
| 00:38.24 | carmony | lol |
| 00:38.35 | beandog | I have a theory that there's a lot of closet geek girls out there |
| 00:38.56 | mahelious | five involve you getting laid, but 20% of those end up in the emergency room, and one at the dump with a variety of differently weighted trash bags |
| 00:39.15 | beandog | you say emergency room as if that's a bad thing |
| 00:39.28 | mahelious | :D |
| 00:39.30 | beandog | don't you want to meet Mr. Friendly Scissors? |
| 00:39.39 | mahelious | well, im outta here. good night folks |
| 00:43.22 | Nafai | beandog: I can only think of a very few cases in which that might go well :) |
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| 04:17.29 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 04:17.30 | raifbot | farts in chrxn's general direction. |
| 04:26.12 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 04:26.12 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can fit a square peg in a round hole |
| 04:26.32 | TuxToaster | $8ball is everyone asleep? |
| 04:26.32 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 04:26.44 | TuxToaster | $8ball is everyone asleep? |
| 04:26.45 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Don't count on it. |
| 04:27.34 | TuxToaster | $8ball will my cat ever catch her tail? |
| 04:27.35 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Ask again later. |
| 04:27.39 | TuxToaster | meh. |
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| 16:40.02 | mahelious | holy crappy road conditions, batman! |
| 16:40.21 | jsmith | Send some of that snow my direction, would you please? |
| 16:41.00 | mindjuju_ | no doubt, i can't tell what's worse, utahns that drive careful and slow in the snow (as they acclimate to driving) or out of state college students who don't know to be careful |
| 16:42.46 | jsmith | mindjuju_: Or the people driving 5mph in the left lane on I-15 :-p |
| 16:42.59 | ninnypants | or utahns that just continue to drive like crazy people? |
| 16:43.08 | Monnok | or utahns |
| 16:43.13 | mindjuju_ | oh man, those speed regulators really give me an ulcer |
| 16:43.49 | mindjuju_ | i hate it when people feel entitled to drive 60mph on the far left because that's the law and to he11 with everybody behind them |
| 16:44.10 | mindjuju_ | then you've got people in left that are going 80/90 diving around them in to 2 / 3 lanes of traffic |
| 16:44.25 | mindjuju_ | it can be nuts |
| 16:45.02 | ninnypants | what's the best place to get archives of pages? Way back machine? |
| 16:45.02 | mindjuju_ | never seen a more passive-aggresive driver than this driver |
| 16:45.11 | mindjuju_ | yup, archive.org |
| 16:47.18 | mindjuju_ | on the other hand, texas drivers drive like it's NASCAR, very fast and weaving in and out of cars, it's fun, i love it |
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| 17:13.17 | Utah_Dave | hey, jsmith, you and macnewbold were discussing xml libraries the other day. I need to create some xml from scratch from an sql query. What library would you recommend? |
| 17:13.36 | macnewbold | sure, ask him but not me... |
| 17:15.09 | Utah_Dave | ;) sorry macnewbold. What would you recommend? |
| 17:15.12 | macnewbold | fwiw, I think one of them can take a php data structure (like an associative array, i.e. from a db result) and turn it into xml |
| 17:15.14 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:15.18 | macnewbold | i'm just joking |
| 17:15.34 | macnewbold | i think it is DOM |
| 17:16.16 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'll take a look at that. Thanks! |
| 17:16.24 | Utah_Dave | ~macnewbold++ |
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| 17:20.41 | macnewbold | jsmith was recommending DOM yesterday too, so it's probably a good choice |
| 17:23.25 | josephscott | if all you want to do is take a php array and turn it into some simple XML, people have written basic functions for that |
| 17:23.33 | josephscott | I think I wrote one once upon a time |
| 17:24.14 | josephscott | Utah_Dave: this looks promising |
| 17:24.16 | josephscott | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1397036/how-to-convert-array-to-simplexml |
| 17:24.48 | josephscott | $google convert php array to xml |
| 17:24.48 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+php+array+to+xml -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1397036/how-to-convert-array-to-simplexml -- http://php.net/manual/en/book.simplexml.php -- http://rssphp.net/examples/convert_array_to_xml/ |
| 17:31.32 | ninnypants | Utah_Dave: http://www.viper007bond.com/2011/06/29/easily-create-xml-in-php-using-a-data-array/ |
| 17:31.35 | Utah_Dave | thanks, guys! |
| 17:33.40 | josephscott | the geekiest dance ever http://blog.yoavfarhi.com/2011/12/12/the-quicksort-algorithm-hungarian-style/ |
| 17:35.23 | ninnypants | josephscott: I saw that yesterday I think was really funny |
| 17:43.45 | fungus | great now i'm screwed, i gotta see all the sorting algorithms |
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| 17:47.07 | macnewbold | fungus: quicksort took almost 7 minutes… the slower algorithms would probably be quite a bit longer |
| 17:47.22 | fungus | watching bubble sort now. only 5min |
| 17:47.59 | fungus | with lots of filler dancing. :) |
| 17:49.17 | unum | so what do people use for loading test data into their databases? |
| 17:49.37 | fungus | copy from production |
| 17:50.33 | unum | I was loading my daily backup in but that takes four hours now |
| 17:50.39 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 17:50.47 | unum | or more |
| 17:50.50 | unum | ya |
| 17:51.02 | unum | when you add 10,000 rows a day it starts to add up |
| 17:51.10 | macnewbold | the two ways I've used that I've liked are load data from production (doesn't necessarily need to be daily), or |
| 17:51.25 | macnewbold | choose a subset of the data, and load that |
| 17:51.31 | fungus | unum, I had same problem. Settled on LVM snapshots |
| 17:51.34 | macnewbold | when practical, i like using the production data a lot better |
| 17:52.05 | macnewbold | real data finds real problems before you get out of dev usually |
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| 17:52.33 | dezertol | hey guys.. anyone played with clamscan at all |
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| 17:53.05 | dezertol | trying to the get stupid thing to read a tar file .. with the eclair in it.. works fine on zip's but tars/tgz... nada |
| 17:53.34 | unum | ok it's finally time to give and do the svn to git thing |
| 17:53.48 | herlo | unum: gitsvn rules :) |
| 17:54.11 | unum | herlo: just looked that up, nice |
| 17:55.16 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 17:55.17 | raifbot | Chuck Norris once went skydiving. He promised never to do it again. He said one Grand Canyon is enough. |
| 18:38.16 | drf23 | hola #UPHPU. First timer on IRC, thought I would say hello |
| 18:38.31 | jsmith | Howdy drf23 |
| 18:38.35 | drf23 | I came to the meeting last time for first time. was great to meet everyone |
| 18:38.40 | jsmith | Welcome to our little crazy corner of the planet :-0 |
| 18:38.50 | drf23 | yes, apparently so :) |
| 18:38.55 | mindjuju_ | we'd be normal, it's jsmith that brings the crazy |
| 18:39.29 | drf23 | just wanted to say I was I was planning to come this thursday but my boss (wife) made other plans :) |
| 18:39.35 | dezertol | meh.. normal is over ratted |
| 18:39.39 | jsmith | mindjuju_: You'd better believe it! |
| 18:39.46 | jsmith | mindjuju_: Normal people never changed the world! |
| 18:39.48 | drf23 | so will be sure to catch you in jan |
| 18:41.47 | mahelious | drf23: your not the only one. my friends co-opted my evening and now im going to a roller derby game. |
| 18:42.25 | Nafai | mahelious: roller derby vs. UPHPU? No contest :) |
| 18:42.32 | Nafai | There's a meeting this week? |
| 18:42.40 | drf23 | mahelious: that's more fun than my plan |
| 18:45.15 | drf23 | anyways, if organizers are ever desperate (I'm mean bottom of barrel desperate :) ) for people to present at any meetings next year, here are some topics I could probably put together something on: |
| 18:45.51 | drf23 | I'm starting a new company that is based on new php 5.3 framework called lithium, so could present on that |
| 18:46.58 | drf23 | but what really interests me is the business side of startups, so if there was enough interest, I could put together slides on what a developer should know/do to start a company or raise venture funding, etc, or on the lean startup stuff |
| 19:20.12 | macnewbold | drf23: thanks! we always like presenters. and I'm interested in lithium, having done a bunch with CakePHP |
| 19:21.00 | macnewbold | how is your company "based" on lithium? use it as platform for the work you do, or business model is centered around lithium? |
| 19:21.27 | drf23 | macnewbold: the product is built on lithium |
| 19:22.23 | drf23 | i switched from cake to lithium for this product after running up to some issues that cake couldn't handle |
| 19:23.28 | macnewbold | nice |
| 19:23.30 | macnewbold | sounds interesting |
| 19:23.49 | macnewbold | what does the product do? |
| 19:28.57 | drf23 | it's still early, but can be described as salesforce.com for marketing |
| 19:29.11 | drf23 | i have a placeholder site at inbounding.com |
| 19:29.51 | drf23 | a framework to build and integrate different marketing software solutions |
| 19:31.16 | drf23 | it addresses a big pain point I had at my last company, which is, I need all these different solutions to do all my marketing, but how do I get them to all integrate and play nice together |
| 19:32.52 | drf23 | anyways, would be happy to present on lithium. I've really liked it so far |
| 19:33.41 | Bikerdan | drf23: Sounds a little like what we do. (InsideSales.com) |
| 19:34.17 | Bikerdan | idk... maybe not |
| 19:34.29 | drf23 | Bikerdan: somewhat, but differences |
| 19:35.03 | Bikerdan | Yeah... I was just looking at your site. |
| 19:35.08 | Bikerdan | Interesting concept. |
| 19:35.13 | drf23 | I would want to integrate InsideSales, for example, with my Social Media software |
| 19:36.03 | drf23 | InsideSales (and Salesforce) come at it from the sale angle and is moving towards marketing automation |
| 19:36.18 | drf23 | I'm coming from the marketing angle and eventually move towards sales |
| 19:36.25 | Bikerdan | ok |
| 19:36.30 | drf23 | eventually these two worlds collide |
| 19:36.34 | Bikerdan | Right |
| 19:36.58 | Bikerdan | We actually work more on the lead side than Salesforce does. |
| 19:37.13 | Bikerdan | Somewhere between marketing and sales. |
| 19:37.21 | drf23 | gotcha |
| 19:38.15 | Bikerdan | Is there a "base" project that everything always works around? Kinda like a CRM? |
| 19:41.57 | drf23 | There are "base" components like a CRM (i.e. Users, Endpoints, Properties, etc), and then "Apps" can access and share those components |
| 19:42.26 | drf23 | there will be a default CRM-like app at some point; not there yet |
| 19:42.36 | Bikerdan | Cool. So kinda like a modular CRM |
| 19:42.42 | drf23 | exactly |
| 19:42.46 | Bikerdan | Nice |
| 19:42.54 | drf23 | i think so :) |
| 19:43.04 | Bikerdan | Good luck. It sounds very promising! |
| 19:43.33 | drf23 | i've got a list of customers waiting to try it out. I'm just too slow developing it!! |
| 19:43.38 | Bikerdan | I'm not very familiar with Sugar CRM but supposedly they're open source too... Have you looked into them? |
| 19:43.43 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 19:44.04 | jsmith | There's also vTiger, which forked from SugarCRM |
| 19:44.21 | drf23 | yes, they (sugarCRM) is very close comparison |
| 19:44.42 | Bikerdan | Gotcha. Well I hope you come out kickin butt! |
| 19:44.45 | drf23 | vTiger I know well. I don't think they have evolved on the marketing front like sugarCRM has |
| 19:44.46 | Bikerdan | Good luck! |
| 19:44.57 | drf23 | thanks |
| 19:45.00 | Bikerdan | So do you have a CRM background? |
| 19:45.42 | drf23 | not really. when I was a full time programmer, I built games :) |
| 19:45.52 | Bikerdan | :) So why this? |
| 19:46.17 | drf23 | i then went into business and ran a publishing company, this was our biggest pain point |
| 19:46.30 | Bikerdan | Ahh. So you see the need. |
| 19:46.52 | drf23 | i take that back, I do a ton of salesforce.com development now. not sure what I was thinking :) |
| 19:46.58 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 19:47.00 | Bikerdan | Apex? |
| 19:47.04 | Bikerdan | :( |
| 19:47.12 | drf23 | yep |
| 19:47.27 | drf23 | i hear ya |
| 19:47.31 | Bikerdan | Yeah... Apex is alright I guess... It's the limitations that Salesforce puts on you. |
| 19:47.35 | drf23 | right |
| 19:47.50 | drf23 | i think that is a huge drawback of SAAS that most people don't get |
| 19:48.12 | Bikerdan | The limitations? |
| 19:48.38 | drf23 | having to have limitations because of the multi-tenancy aspect of sfdc |
| 19:49.10 | Bikerdan | Yeah. But it seems like that have a lot of extra painful limitations... |
| 19:49.20 | drf23 | true |
| 19:49.58 | Bikerdan | Anyway... Good luck with your adventure. |
| 19:50.07 | drf23 | thanks |
| 19:50.25 | macnewbold | drf23: what's the business model? i.e. how does it generate revenue? |
| 19:50.45 | Bikerdan | NP. If you ever need any help with ideas, let me know. I've been doing CRM for 9 - 10 years now. |
| 19:50.54 | drf23 | macnewbold: i'm following similar model to magento |
| 19:51.01 | drf23 | commercial open source |
| 19:51.02 | Bikerdan | NOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:51.04 | Bikerdan | Jk |
| 19:51.19 | drf23 | similar business model, not similar coding style :) |
| 19:51.24 | Bikerdan | That's good. |
| 19:51.26 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 19:51.47 | drf23 | free for 1 account/1 user |
| 19:52.08 | drf23 | tiered pricing for 1 account/multi-user (corporate), and multi-account/multi-user (agency) |
| 19:54.50 | drf23 | Bikerdan: would love to get your feedback/insight |
| 19:55.01 | drf23 | you guys still in Novell building? |
| 19:56.24 | Bikerdan | We are |
| 19:57.08 | drf23 | i used to office on first floor there with previous company |
| 19:57.24 | Bikerdan | Oh yeah? Which company? |
| 19:57.33 | drf23 | it was called Inhealthcare |
| 19:57.46 | Bikerdan | Hmmm... Which building? |
| 19:57.49 | drf23 | we were there for maybe 8 months |
| 19:57.54 | drf23 | biulding A |
| 19:58.03 | Bikerdan | Where at? |
| 19:58.04 | drf23 | the incubator |
| 19:58.09 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 19:59.10 | drf23 | we kicked out the 3D modeling company and Instructure from their space |
| 19:59.17 | Bikerdan | Ahhh |
| 19:59.56 | drf23 | in fact, someone just this weekend asked me about InsideSales |
| 20:00.08 | drf23 | i think he was applying for an IT job |
| 20:00.09 | Bikerdan | Really? What did they want to know? |
| 20:00.16 | Bikerdan | ok |
| 20:00.25 | drf23 | whether it was a stable/growing co. |
| 20:00.31 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 20:00.34 | Bikerdan | What did you say? |
| 20:00.41 | drf23 | i didn't know |
| 20:00.45 | Bikerdan | oh |
| 20:00.52 | drf23 | what should I say? :) |
| 20:01.22 | Bikerdan | We've been "InsideSales.com" for about 8 years and we've grown at least 30% each year. |
| 20:01.32 | Bikerdan | So I'd say we're growing and stable. |
| 20:01.54 | drf23 | will let him know |
| 20:01.59 | Bikerdan | Cool |
| 20:02.58 | drf23 | we should go grab lunch some time. My office is in Orem, but i live in provo |
| 20:03.14 | Bikerdan | ok. I live in provo too |
| 20:21.11 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 20:21.11 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Mostly Cloudy 36f / 2c Humidity: 81% Wind: SW at 7 mph |
| 20:21.24 | fungus | http://gizmodo.com/5867469/george |
| 20:24.08 | *** join/#uphpu Monnok (~monnok@205.204.33.82) |
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| 20:25.42 | josephscott | $lart twilight |
| 20:25.42 | raifbot | calls twilight on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home. |
| 20:47.34 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 20:47.34 | raifbot | Chuck Norris was supposed to star in the tv show 'Man vs Wild', but the network did not want kids thinking 'lava is safe to eat'. |
| 21:00.30 | mgeary | nice, though not their best work |
| 21:00.47 | mindjuju_ | yeah, i know you like sultans of swing, etc |
| 21:02.16 | mgeary | my favorites include Brothers in Arms, On Every Street, Romeo & Juliet, Roadrunning, etc. |
| 21:02.27 | mindjuju_ | telegraph road |
| 21:02.41 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:03.07 | skinner | http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lumberjack-commandos.jpg |
| 21:07.01 | mindjuju_ | oh man, this video is filled with 80's goodness - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7m1CYzS6A (blah blah guarantee no rick/rebecca 100%) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7m1CYzS6A |
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| 21:23.31 | Bikerdan | mindjuju: I love the synth arpeggio in the middle.... |
| 21:23.33 | Bikerdan | The best |
| 21:24.51 | wps | what is the modifier keys on windows and linux cause a link to open in a new tab? |
| 21:24.55 | wps | it's shift on windows, right? |
| 21:25.34 | Bikerdan | Depends on the browser I think... Chrome is shift for new window and ctrl for new tab |
| 21:29.12 | ninnypants | it's the same for FF |
| 21:29.42 | mahelious | Don't browse on linux much, but I imagine Ctrl+T is mostly universal |
| 21:30.20 | wps | sorry… I don't think I was clear |
| 21:30.24 | wps | not just opening a new tab |
| 21:30.42 | wps | opening a link you click in a new tab instead of the current tab/window |
| 21:30.48 | ninnypants | yeah it's the same on linux I think the only one that is different is mac and that's just switching to commmand |
| 21:31.03 | dezertol | I just middle click it |
| 21:31.13 | ninnypants | wps: cntrl+click |
| 21:32.28 | wps | middle-click is only a linux-ism |
| 21:32.59 | dezertol | works fine in firefox in windows |
| 21:33.07 | unum | same here |
| 21:33.10 | dezertol | but ya.. I mostly use linux |
| 21:33.24 | Nafai | what's this windows you speak of? |
| 21:35.13 | dezertol | mickeyfarting The act or process of aimlessly clicking around in a Microsoft product with no particular goal not sure what you need or where to find it |
| 21:35.26 | mindjuju_ | does iphone/ipod touch run java? |
| 21:35.41 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: I don't think so |
| 21:35.54 | dezertol | all the apps are objective C |
| 21:36.03 | Monnok | ~windows |
| 21:36.03 | ibot | windows is, like, either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system |
| 21:36.30 | mindjuju_ | oh that's funny |
| 21:36.39 | dezertol | nice |
| 21:36.51 | wps | wow bootloader |
| 21:36.51 | Monnok | didnt know there was a special case for it :) |
| 21:36.53 | wps | that's funny |
| 21:37.24 | Monnok | who made the ibot? props to them |
| 21:37.51 | dezertol | well most of ibot is learned over time.. |
| 21:37.59 | dezertol | you feed it info and it spits it back out.. |
| 21:38.16 | mindjuju_ | ~wps |
| 21:38.16 | ibot | i heard wps is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 21:38.33 | mindjuju_ | a fine example of ibot repeating what it has learned |
| 21:38.34 | Bikerdan | omg |
| 21:38.53 | wps | ~bubbles |
| 21:38.53 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bubbles is michael jackson's monkey |
| 21:39.01 | mindjuju_ | there is one there for wps wife, but idon't recall how to invoke it |
| 21:39.02 | dezertol | lol |
| 21:39.03 | dezertol | nice |
| 21:39.14 | wps | ~wade's wife |
| 21:39.14 | ibot | wade's wife is, like, Mrs. Sexy Pants |
| 21:39.16 | wps | ~wade's kid |
| 21:39.16 | ibot | rumour has it, wade's kid is Junior Sexy Pants |
| 21:39.26 | Bikerdan | limh |
| 21:39.30 | mindjuju_ | you've got 2 kids now though, right? |
| 21:39.41 | wps | 3 |
| 21:39.50 | wps | ~brittany spears |
| 21:40.00 | wps | ~brittany |
| 21:40.10 | dezertol | ibot is pleading the 5th |
| 21:40.17 | wps | ibot used to say something irreverent about brittany |
| 21:40.22 | wps | someone must have cleaned that up |
| 21:40.32 | Monnok | leave brittany alone! |
| 21:40.33 | Monnok | lol |
| 21:41.01 | wps | isn't everyone? has she sold any music or been even discussed in the last several years? |
| 21:41.27 | Monnok | she came out with a new album a few months back |
| 21:41.37 | wps | really? had no clue |
| 21:41.38 | fungus | not in my circles, but unfortunately yes in circles adjacent ot me |
| 21:41.39 | mindjuju_ | i hear everybody is gaga for Gaga, but i hear that Gaga went broke :( |
| 21:41.56 | Monnok | utahcon made me listen to it cause she drops the F-bomb |
| 21:41.58 | wps | brittany destroyed herself |
| 21:42.06 | wps | what a nice friend |
| 21:42.38 | mindjuju_ | the problem with brittany is that she's no longer a teen, i don't think it's the booze or anything else that did her in |
| 21:43.08 | Monnok | you mean only pedos would listen to her? |
| 21:43.25 | stderr- | Brittany didn't have much talent to speak of. Christina Aguilera on the other hand has some pipes. |
| 21:43.31 | Monnok | true |
| 21:43.32 | stderr- | And I don't care who hears me say that. |
| 21:43.44 | mindjuju_ | yeah, pretty much |
| 21:43.46 | dezertol | http://www.thinqon.com/topic/australia_is_banning |
| 21:44.13 | Nafai | stderr-: can't argue with that |
| 21:44.41 | fungus | xtina just needs a better manager |
| 21:45.08 | ninnypants | did that only happen in febuary? I thougt it was years ago... |
| 21:45.17 | fungus | brittney needs a brain transplant |
| 21:45.48 | dezertol | I only heard about it a few days ago |
| 21:46.06 | fungus | and Gaga needs more time in a day |
| 21:46.09 | fungus | :) |
| 21:47.01 | dezertol | Gaga is just another marilyn manson shock value.. blah blah blah.. |
| 21:47.28 | dezertol | it's just theater |
| 21:47.56 | dezertol | imo |
| 21:48.05 | mindjuju_ | i think it's more like gaga follows madonna and madonna was shock value |
| 21:48.21 | mindjuju_ | but i've only seen like 2 Gaga videos |
| 21:48.37 | dezertol | ya.. shock value isn't value added in my opinion |
| 21:48.53 | dezertol | I've seen a few video's |
| 21:49.24 | dezertol | meh.. |
| 21:51.20 | dezertol | I thought about doing that with my droid.. and the bar code scanner app.. and tho it works.. it's not as fast or as clean as the laser scanners |
| 21:51.36 | mindjuju_ | yeah, speed is definently an issue |
| 21:51.50 | Bikerdan | qrcodes scan pretty fast with my iphone |
| 21:51.52 | mindjuju_ | but the price point, wow |
| 21:51.57 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju_: I did that. Speed depends on your phone |
| 21:52.07 | mindjuju_ | the handhelds we have now are $1700+ |
| 21:52.14 | Utah_Dave | We have some awesome scanners we got from a local company |
| 21:52.20 | mindjuju_ | i can get 7 ipod touches with hardened cases for them for that price |
| 21:52.28 | dezertol | can you create a laser scanner attachement or something maybe.. |
| 21:52.48 | dezertol | not sure what the pin outs are on an iPad |
| 21:52.51 | Utah_Dave | But I can scan with my phone into a list and then email people that list of serials. |
| 21:54.20 | dezertol | http://serialio.com/products/scanner/mobile/Scanfob_2002.php |
| 21:54.26 | dezertol | bluetooth scanner |
| 21:55.02 | mindjuju_ | wow, that might just do it |
| 21:59.13 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju_: here's what we bought. http://codecorp.com/ They have a ton of online storage |
| 21:59.39 | Utah_Dave | You can program them with qr codes and you can also do custom programming on them with javascript |
| 21:59.58 | Utah_Dave | They have bluetooth options. They're awesome. |
| 22:03.37 | mindjuju_ | so utah_Dave, you have these connected into ipod? |
| 22:04.33 | Utah_Dave | No, we either connect them right into our laptops, or we scan a bunch of items and then plug it into a machine with our inventory database and it dumps the scans into a form. |
| 22:04.44 | mindjuju_ | ah gotcha! |
| 22:04.51 | Utah_Dave | It has it's own storage. |
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| 22:51.30 | mindjuju_ | hmm, looks like cinemark.com is down |
| 22:51.31 | mindjuju_ | curious |
| 22:53.11 | DexterTheDragon | mpaa probably had it seized |
| 22:54.01 | mindjuju_ | they are taking over the rest of the world / internet, maybe they don't like cinemark anymore |
| 22:54.56 | mahelious | downforeveryone tells me cinemark.com is up, but i cannae get to it either |
| 22:55.31 | mindjuju_ | prolly orrin hatch had something to do with it |
| 22:55.40 | mindjuju_ | what a putz |
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| 23:02.10 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:02.11 | raifbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of tierra. |
| 23:02.45 | TuxToaster | mindjuju_: looks like it's really, really slow |
| 23:03.13 | mindjuju_ | it's funny you say that, i just remoted into a server in michigan to see if it was this region |
| 23:03.21 | mindjuju_ | nope, its not |
| 23:03.39 | mindjuju_ | wget http://www.cinemark.com has been running for 2 minutes thus far |
| 23:04.03 | mindjuju_ | was thinking of taking the fam to the movies tonight (since tiff and i both finished our finals now) |
| 23:04.22 | mindjuju_ | muppets v hugo v arthur claus |
| 23:04.27 | mindjuju_ | not sure which or times |
| 23:05.16 | TuxToaster | looks like their mobile app is down as well |
| 23:05.39 | mahelious | ive seen arthur and muppets, liked the former more than the latter, both were enjoyable. |
| 23:05.43 | TuxToaster | you can possibly get the times from some other sites |
| 23:05.47 | fungus | Why would you use their website or app? Just use a good third party app |
| 23:06.19 | mahelious | is that talking paper bag site still around? |
| 23:06.32 | fungus | of course it is |
| 23:06.37 | mindjuju_ | the only third party i know is fandango |
| 23:06.45 | fungus | There's also google, yahoo, flixter, etc |
| 23:06.58 | mindjuju_ | i can buy tickets via google? |
| 23:06.59 | mindjuju_ | awesome! |
| 23:07.33 | TuxToaster | fungus: if you're ordering tickets, at least, their site & app are more current, plus you can pick up the tickets at the theatre. Not sure if you can do that with 3rd party |
| 23:07.35 | fungus | google just redirects you |
| 23:07.50 | mindjuju_ | i think i'm going with arthur christmas, it's less time |
| 23:07.53 | mindjuju_ | by 1 minute |
| 23:08.53 | mahelious | never would have figured house and professor x being so chummy |
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| 23:14.20 | TuxToaster | $8ball should mindjuju_ see Arthur Christmas? |
| 23:14.20 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 23:14.27 | TuxToaster | $8ball should mindjuju_ see Arthur Christmas? |
| 23:14.27 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes - definitely. |
| 23:14.31 | TuxToaster | there you have it. |
| 23:14.47 | mindjuju_ | looks pretty cool |
| 23:15.21 | TuxToaster | I don't really keep up on movies until they are out in stores. |
| 23:15.44 | mindjuju_ | yup |
| 23:15.49 | TuxToaster | wife doesn't terribly like going to the theater since there aren't subtitles |
| 23:16.39 | fungus | So go see more foreign movies. :) |
| 23:16.46 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:16.48 | mindjuju_ | hearing issue or not native speaker? |
| 23:16.58 | TuxToaster | hearing |
| 23:17.04 | mindjuju_ | i'm sure some theaters have closed caption, i mean, they have to don't they? |
| 23:17.26 | fungus | Most theaters have devices they provide for hearing impaired. |
| 23:17.43 | fungus | Either headset that is louder, or caption devices. |
| 23:17.58 | TuxToaster | yeah, they at least have the headset things they can provide, I've been to a couple with captioning, but it's more of a hassle than it's worth usually |
| 23:18.11 | fungus | Agreed |
| 23:18.30 | fungus | I'm not hearing impaired but I still like subtitles. |
| 23:18.45 | TuxToaster | Netflix is frustrating on that front since they don't have subtitles on most stuff, but at least you can back up and try to catch it |
| 23:18.51 | mindjuju_ | curious, i didn't know about the hand held thing |
| 23:18.56 | mindjuju_ | that cool! |
| 23:19.36 | TuxToaster | don't know about hand held, but they do have them |
| 23:19.42 | mindjuju_ | cinemark works now |
| 23:19.45 | TuxToaster | where the dots raise and lower as it displays text |
| 23:19.52 | ninnypants | yeah |
| 23:19.54 | mindjuju_ | i guess they had to roll back what ever they were trying to release |
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| 23:22.03 | ninnypants | think it would be cool if they had something about the size of a ruler that worked that way. Would display a line of text and the person could read it, touch a button on the next line would appear |
| 23:22.25 | ninnypants | could be really cool for something like general conference |
| 23:26.06 | TuxToaster | you'd be surprised how quickly people can read |
| 23:26.09 | ninnypants | I don't think it would matter because the transcription would already be there the device wouldn't do speach to text |
| 23:26.20 | ninnypants | yeah blind people can read wicked fast |
| 23:26.32 | TuxToaster | though it would likely also have some way of having them ack that they've finished the line |
| 23:26.58 | ninnypants | "person could read it, touch a button on the next line would appear" |
| 23:27.15 | TuxToaster | it's ironic that I can read braile by sight. never could get the hang of it by touch |
| 23:27.33 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: ah yep exactly, didn't see your comment |
| 23:27.41 | ninnypants | I've never tried to memorize brail |
| 23:27.44 | ninnypants | probably should |
| 23:28.13 | TuxToaster | I grew up with several blind family members so was familiar with it |
| 23:28.47 | TuxToaster | funny thing is always figured my eyesight would be what gave me problems as an adult, but it's actually my hearing that did. |
| 23:29.28 | ninnypants | that is kinda crazy |
| 23:29.32 | TuxToaster | worked out well that my wife is hard of hearing though, gave me a good reason to learn sign. Really handy when you don't want the kids to know you're talking |
| 23:30.13 | TuxToaster | the one that baffles me is people who are both. They fully communicate by doing sign in the other person's hand |
| 23:30.16 | ninnypants | I started to learn sign but have no one to talk to so I never really internalized it |
| 23:31.19 | Bikerdan | Sign is great for your toddlers |
| 23:31.27 | TuxToaster | +1 |
| 23:31.29 | Bikerdan | We have the videos called Signing times. |
| 23:31.33 | TuxToaster | kids pick it up way easy |
| 23:31.35 | Bikerdan | It's been great. |
| 23:31.38 | TuxToaster | yup yup, those are great |
| 23:31.44 | Bikerdan | And it helps them learn to read |
| 23:31.57 | Bikerdan | My 5 year old reads pretty darn good. |
| 23:38.57 | mindjuju_ | so between openID and oauth, did one of them ever emerge as the dominant ? |
| 23:39.40 | mindjuju_ | at least, if i understand right, they both have the same purpose |
| 23:40.40 | josephscott | they do different things |
| 23:40.45 | mindjuju_ | oh |
| 23:41.25 | mindjuju_ | they don't both represent a 3rd party authing agency that a client can use to log into your server? |
| 23:44.18 | josephscott | not exactly |
| 23:44.42 | mahelious | based on my experience they are similar enough that a good deal of confusion exists. |
| 23:45.01 | mahelious | and many libs written to be openid work with oauth as well. |
| 23:45.28 | josephscott | mahelious: really? is there one you could link me too? I'd be interested to see that |
| 23:46.09 | josephscott | and is that for a server implementation or a client? |
| 23:47.28 | Bikerdan | I know that Facebook, Twitter, and Google all use OAuth |
| 23:48.16 | mahelious | josephscott: i remember doing openid/oauth with the janrain product last year. |
| 23:51.19 | mahelious | i wasnt very familiar with the minutiae at the time, i remember a lot of frustration getting the thing to play nicely with google and flock at the same time |
| 23:53.33 | josephscott | yep, that is way you end up with folks like janrain and gigya who provide services to abstract the details |
| 23:54.43 | mgeary | apropos hearing-impared: www.deaftv.com |
| 23:54.56 | mgeary | we built that |
| 23:56.10 | mindjuju_ | very cool! |
| 23:56.29 | ninnypants | could php's mail function not having a recipient cause a 500 error? |
| 23:57.25 | mahelious | depending on how php failed...possibly |
| 23:58.36 | ninnypants | ok that's what I was thinking |
| 23:58.37 | Utah_Dave | Ugh, I was just sent an example xml file, pasted into a Word doc and attached to an email. |
| 23:59.28 | Utah_Dave | I'm hoping this isn't a reflection of the expertise i'm dealing with over there. |
