| 00:00.11 | unum | are you sure you have the exact domain? |
| 00:00.14 | unum | including sub domain |
| 00:00.20 | unum | who's the WP expert in here? |
| 00:00.55 | mindjuju | well, there is ninnypants, josephscott, sheri |
| 00:01.29 | mindjuju | i think carmony has mentioned wp a couple times as having made some mods to it |
| 00:02.01 | josephscott | is it a browser session cookie (meaning it only lasts while the browser is open)? |
| 00:03.03 | herlo | Heartsbane: don't help mindjuju |
| 00:03.17 | herlo | he's already got enough tools at his disposal |
| 00:04.22 | SunSparc | unum: the domain in the cookie? I used ".domain.com" format. |
| 00:04.34 | SunSparc | To cover sub-domains. |
| 00:05.38 | ninnypants | unum: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:06.04 | ninnypants | unum: do you want to pass it through the permalink or just through the $_GET ? |
| 00:09.51 | unum | ninnypants: I want to be able to create a link using the same variable |
| 00:11.55 | ninnypants | unum: but how do you want to pass it? you could pass it as a get site.com/?var=this or in the permalink site.com/some-page/var/ |
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| 00:18.38 | ninnypants | unum: I wouldn't bother with anything they're doing in that url you posted because you can just use $_GET but doing it with permalinks is a little more complicated than what's in that post |
| 00:20.35 | unum | ninnypants: thanks |
| 00:20.51 | unum | so if I create a web page in wp I can just use php code? |
| 00:21.05 | unum | I've never done this and actually researching this for someone else |
| 00:22.58 | ninnypants | yeah |
| 00:23.02 | ninnypants | you can |
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| 05:11.49 | Heartsbane | herlo: no promises |
| 05:13.09 | Heartsbane | I guess the whole world decided to hilight me while I was out |
| 05:21.36 | herlo | lol |
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| 16:44.52 | mindjuju | quite funny - https://www.mint.com/404 |
| 16:50.56 | Monnok | man, who DOESNT like sharp crayons? |
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| 18:31.38 | mahelious | id like to think theres a special ring of hell reserved for that captain. |
| 18:35.16 | mindjuju | you know, i thought that at first too, but in the end, there simply isn't enough info in taht article to draw that conclusion. we don't know if he's under orders from somebody higher up, we don't know if its an insurance matter, we dont know the costs of the materials to ight the fires and thus /budetary issues, we don't know liability issues |
| 18:35.21 | mindjuju | there is a lot we don't know |
| 18:36.45 | ninnypants | that was what I was thinking too, all we know is that they knew they needed to pay to be protected and didn't pay. It's like insurance. You can't buy it once you need it to be covered you have to pay into it before you need the benefits of having done so |
| 18:37.05 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i can't understand and there isn't enough info in the article to determine why the home owner didn't pay |
| 18:37.07 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:37.43 | mahelious | all i know is once you are on the scene, policy goes out the window. if you're there, you help. |
| 18:37.46 | mindjuju | the article is writen to enflame the passions, but i think there is an important issue to consider, which is why i posted |
| 18:37.57 | ninnypants | another thing I would like to know is if they have to pay property tax to the town if they do they should be covered |
| 18:38.17 | mindjuju | so mahelious, the prob with that is though, what if insurance won't cover the fireman being in there? |
| 18:38.19 | mahelious | it's one thing if the homeowner calls 911 and dispatch makes a decision to send help or not. but they were on the scene, and then stood by and did nothing |
| 18:38.43 | ninnypants | mahelious: they may have been there just to keep the fire from spreading to nearby houses |
| 18:38.44 | mahelious | mindjuju: then you tell the city to deduct a days pay from your paycheck |
| 18:39.19 | mindjuju | i don't know if that is true in this case or no, i'm just speculating why the the lead fireman,who's instinct heretofore is to jump in and help, what would give him pause |
| 18:40.05 | mindjuju | sorry, or her |
| 18:40.36 | ninnypants | There're probably a lot of things that could do that he could lose his job, be injured and not be covered by insurance. Lots of things |
| 18:40.42 | macnewbold | what if life was in danger, rather than just property? does that change it? if so, how? |
| 18:40.48 | ninnypants | but yeah it is too bad she lost her house |
| 18:41.00 | mindjuju | good point there macnewbold, that's already been settled |
| 18:41.02 | mindjuju | it doesn't |
| 18:41.14 | mindjuju | there was a man who drowned in cali in a very similar incident |
| 18:41.20 | macnewbold | yeah, i saw that one too |
| 18:41.23 | mindjuju | resuce personal nearby |
| 18:41.28 | macnewbold | its one matter for the safety of the crew |
| 18:41.37 | macnewbold | but liability should be covered by good samaritan etc. |
| 18:41.41 | ninnypants | crazy thing to me is that there was no rope nearby |
| 18:41.46 | macnewbold | no kidding |
| 18:41.53 | mindjuju | i think as a homeowner in that county, if i knew there wasn't adequate fireprotection, it would be my duty to start volunteer FD |
| 18:41.59 | macnewbold | suicide by drowning just seems like a bad idea... |
| 18:42.20 | ninnypants | suicide by drowning? |
| 18:42.28 | macnewbold | yeah, the guy in cali was a suicide |
| 18:42.33 | macnewbold | took him an hour to drown himself |
| 18:42.39 | mindjuju | actually macnewbold, i was meaning the liability of the fireman, who protects him/her if injured in that burning house, are they covered if the home woner hasn't paid the fee? |
| 18:42.47 | Monnok | too good at swimming |
| 18:42.49 | mindjuju | i could see that as quite plausible a scenario |
| 18:43.10 | macnewbold | right, that's a good point |
| 18:43.44 | macnewbold | i think though that if the captain made the call that they're going in, then the firefighter is acting in the line of duty and would be covered like any other |
| 18:44.05 | macnewbold | the ins. co. shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not the fire dept. collected $ from that family or not |
| 18:44.20 | macnewbold | just like they don't care if someone in city limits was behind on their property taxes or not |
| 18:44.31 | mindjuju | like i say, i don't know, i'm trying to give captain the benefit of a doubt |
| 18:44.37 | macnewbold | yeah, its true |
| 18:44.57 | macnewbold | heck i bet the homeowner's insurance company would have gladly paid for the fire response than replacing the house |
| 18:45.36 | mindjuju | at the same time, this poor city is dragged into it looking like a big butt, when it's really a county issue (they weren't covered by the city) |
| 18:51.55 | Nafai | my Dad was a volunteer firefighter when I grew up |
| 18:52.06 | Nafai | we were in much too small of an area to have anything else |
| 18:53.48 | ninnypants | yeah I had family in a VFD too |
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| 19:03.30 | influx | allo |
| 19:09.10 | Bikerdan | All that I know is that I would rather lose my job and have to find another one then stand by and watch a family's house burn down when I have all of the equipment and power to change that. |
| 19:18.54 | ninnypants | so I got a kindle fire, and I'm surprised by how much digital newspapers and magazines cost |
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| 19:32.28 | SunSparc_ | ninnypants: yeah, it is a racket |
| 19:33.26 | ninnypants | SunSparc: yeah it's crazy that my print versions of the magazines are cheaper than digital |
| 19:34.09 | mahelious | ~Bikerdan++ |
| 19:34.11 | SunSparc | Yep. That has been a pet peeve of mine for a couple years now. |
| 19:40.03 | ninnypants | Also I think christians should be offended by this http://t.co/iaGS3iwB |
| 19:44.01 | influx | Saw that yesterday. Sighed. |
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| 20:00.04 | mahelious | ive seen plenty of kids praying in schools. private schools. |
| 20:01.47 | ninnypants | yeah I think you could do it in a public school as well, so long as you didn't make a big deal out of it |
| 20:01.58 | ninnypants | I think that's where the issues came from |
| 20:06.36 | PoeticIntensity | ninnypants, I'm curious what christians would be offended by in that video...? |
| 20:06.47 | PoeticIntensity | (don't really want to start a flame-war, just honestly curious) |
| 20:08.50 | ninnypants | PoeticIntensity: I would be offended that he is making statements like that in the name of christians. He didn't say he spoke for christians or anything but he's high profile which means many people will assume his beliefs represent christianity in general |
| 20:10.00 | PoeticIntensity | okay... So it's just the generalization? |
| 20:10.25 | mahelious | He may not have said that he was speaking for Christians, but the language he used indicated that was his intent. |
| 20:10.36 | ninnypants | exactly |
| 20:11.21 | ninnypants | PoeticIntensity: yeah |
| 20:11.35 | PoeticIntensity | hmmm.... I really didn't find it that offensive, but I'm not a person easily offended. |
| 20:11.41 | PoeticIntensity | ...and I'm a Christian. |
| 20:12.32 | PoeticIntensity | Probably not a good idea to slap a huge demographic behind an ad like that, though. |
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| 20:17.21 | ninnypants | PoeticIntensity: maybe offended isn't the right word since I wasn't offended. It's more that I'm unhappy he made that statement implying that it's the belief of an entire demographic that I'm part of. When my beliefs aren't the same as his. |
| 20:18.05 | stderr- | I thought it was funny |
| 20:19.00 | stderr- | (I haven't even watched what has been linked, I'm just presuming it's the Rick Perry video) |
| 20:20.15 | ninnypants | stderr-: is it getting a lot of attention or something? I haven't followed anything very closely |
| 20:20.26 | stderr- | it was all over reddit yesterday |
| 20:20.37 | stderr- | I just like how non-sequitur it is |
| 20:20.51 | stderr- | I didn't know it was anti-Christian to let gays serve openly in the military |
| 20:20.52 | ninnypants | yeah how the things aren't related at all |
| 20:21.43 | stderr- | It's just hilarious how far he stretches to appeal to the basest elements of the hardcore conservatives |
| 20:21.45 | mahelious | i would have thought the ultra-conserv |
| 20:21.56 | mahelious | huh |
| 20:22.24 | mahelious | i would have thought the ultra-conservs would want gays in the military. send them all to get killed abroad and what not. |
| 20:22.43 | stderr- | And I'm a guy who can actually give an informed argument on _not_ allowing homosexuals to serve in combat arms in the military |
| 20:22.51 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... cuz us conservs want all gays to be DEAD, dag-gummit! |
| 20:23.04 | unum | the prayer in school issue is weather it's a government employee organizing a prayer event |
| 20:23.06 | PoeticIntensity | line em' up and SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE! |
| 20:23.11 | unum | students are welcomed to pray |
| 20:23.36 | unum | it's an LDS family in Texas that brough and end to goverment organized prayer at school sporting events btw |
| 20:23.59 | unum | they're lawyers were provided by the ACLU |
| 20:24.21 | PoeticIntensity | stderr-, what's your informed argument, pray tell? |
| 20:24.34 | stderr- | about what? |
| 20:24.40 | stderr- | Oh. Gays in combat arms, right? |
| 20:24.43 | PoeticIntensity | gays not serving in the military.... |
| 20:24.43 | PoeticIntensity | yeah |
| 20:24.52 | stderr- | oh no, I think homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military |
| 20:24.56 | stderr- | Just not in combat arms units |
| 20:25.03 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 20:25.10 | PoeticIntensity | sorry... I'm underinformed militarily... |
| 20:25.11 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:25.22 | ninnypants | stderr-: why not combat arms? |
| 20:25.22 | stderr- | Women shouldn't be either unless they have all female units |
| 20:25.33 | ninnypants | distraction? |
| 20:25.54 | PoeticIntensity | and mahelious... I was being obviously sarcastic... Why in the world would any conservative want a gay person to die? |
| 20:25.54 | stderr- | ninnypants: because the possibility of a romantic relationship growing amongst soldiers serving in an active combat unit is destructive to the unit |
| 20:26.00 | stderr- | especially tactically. |
| 20:26.08 | PoeticIntensity | oh wow.... I can totally see that. |
| 20:26.28 | stderr- | Supporting a romantic partner in combat would be much different than supporting a non-romantic brother/sister in combat. |
| 20:26.37 | PoeticIntensity | bingo. |
| 20:26.41 | PoeticIntensity | love is blind. |
| 20:26.55 | stderr- | And would lead to more incidents of not following orders and completing objectives due to your concern for your romantic partner. |
| 20:27.08 | ninnypants | stderr-: makes sense |
| 20:27.08 | PoeticIntensity | makes a lot of sense to me. |
| 20:27.55 | stderr- | certainly I wouldn't have been able to perform my job adequately if I had served with my wife. |
| 20:28.32 | josePHPagoda | whoah, the bot took on chanserv |
| 20:28.34 | josePHPagoda | that's an epic match |
| 20:28.44 | josePHPagoda | (catching up) |
| 20:28.58 | mahelious | PoeticIntensity: believe it or not the conservative camp has a far larger group of extremists than the other side. |
| 20:29.04 | stderr- | PoeticIntensity: anyway, that's my argument. |
| 20:29.10 | PoeticIntensity | thanks stderr- |
| 20:29.15 | PoeticIntensity | very good point. |
| 20:29.41 | PoeticIntensity | mahelious, I dig. Extremists in any camp, in my opinion, are the people who should be considering death as an alternative. |
| 20:30.26 | ninnypants | yeah makes a lot of sense. You want to remove as much distraction as possible when lives are on the line |
| 20:30.29 | unum | now the real question is would Mitt Romney switch the federal goverment to ODF |
| 20:30.33 | unum | :) |
| 20:30.46 | PoeticIntensity | no idea what ODF is. |
| 20:30.53 | PoeticIntensity | care to clarify? |
| 20:31.00 | ninnypants | unum: Open Doc Format? |
| 20:31.11 | unum | one of Obama's primary advisers claimed on his blog that Obama would do so, but just one of the many things he let me down on |
| 20:31.15 | unum | ninnypants: correct |
| 20:31.28 | PoeticIntensity | haha... |
| 20:31.35 | josePHPagoda | vote joseph brower |
| 20:31.39 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 20:32.04 | unum | PoeticIntensity: he did it in MA, big controversy there, some democrats tried to fight him |
| 20:32.35 | PoeticIntensity | why in the world would that even be an argument? What would be the argument for the other side? |
| 20:32.58 | PoeticIntensity | "But everybody uses something else which is much, much inferior!!! We should stick to it!" |
| 20:33.11 | ninnypants | That's awesome! Switching to open office is probably the easiest way to save a decent amount of money with very little training needed |
| 20:33.19 | SunSparc | ninnypants: lol |
| 20:33.21 | unum | the local paper ran a story about how the guy who implemented it spoke at open source conferences after receiving *only* verbal permission from his boss forcing him to resign |
| 20:33.41 | unum | jaws doesn't work with open office was their main argument |
| 20:34.02 | unum | but I don't think that was their real reason |
| 20:34.02 | ninnypants | jaws? |
| 20:34.13 | unum | %*&$ jaws |
| 20:34.14 | unum | ya |
| 20:34.23 | unum | it's text to speech software |
| 20:34.30 | SunSparc | ~jaws |
| 20:34.43 | unum | your takes dollars are used to purchase licenses every year |
| 20:34.45 | ninnypants | ahh |
| 20:35.00 | unum | and for the most part it only works with ms products |
| 20:35.06 | unum | s/takes/tax |
| 20:35.52 | SunSparc | ibot: jaws is a vicious man-eating shark |
| 20:35.52 | ibot | okay, SunSparc |
| 20:37.44 | unum | MA (like utah) is a one party state, there for there is a lot of corruption |
| 20:38.01 | unum | though MA isn't as bad as utah |
| 20:38.04 | ninnypants | unum: that argument makes some sense but docs could easily be exported to pdf or anyone who needed jaws could have a copy of MS office |
| 20:38.25 | unum | ninnypants: MS office doesn't open open document format |
| 20:38.47 | ninnypants | yes but open office can work with doc format |
| 20:39.07 | ninnypants | I don't think the extension is important it's more the cost of the software that's important |
| 20:39.09 | unum | ninnypants: the policy fight was about using odf not open office |
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| 20:39.18 | unum | ninnypants: I disagree |
| 20:39.27 | ninnypants | why? |
| 20:39.42 | unum | the policy was about the state having control of their own data |
| 20:40.05 | ninnypants | oh over it being in a propritary format? |
| 20:40.08 | ninnypants | makes sense |
| 20:40.09 | unum | when you store data in a propriatary format that you are at the mercy of vendor as to how you can access it |
| 20:40.31 | ninnypants | I can see how that would be the issue |
| 20:40.54 | ninnypants | I was thinking more of a cost cutting action |
| 20:41.32 | unum | so ya I wish I could hear some of the candidates views on intellectual property laws and tech policy |
| 20:42.03 | unum | but instead all we hear about is who mowed their lawn ten years ago |
| 20:42.14 | ninnypants | most probably don't even understand what that is |
| 20:42.18 | mahelious | i must be mistaken, but i thought .docx was a compressed collection of odf's? |
| 20:42.50 | ninnypants | mahelious: .docx is an xml based format I believe |
| 20:43.00 | mahelious | openxml |
| 20:46.50 | unum | officeopenxml I think |
| 20:47.18 | unum | docx is microsofts patented implementation of an xml word processing document |
| 20:47.22 | influx | JAWS is for the visually impaired. |
| 20:47.46 | influx | Not the only thing available, AFAIK though. |
| 20:48.25 | unum | but it's the one that most states buy for their visually impaired residents |
| 20:48.32 | unum | so it's what most people use |
| 20:50.08 | unum | they provide a lot of stuff like that through vocational rehabilitation |
| 20:50.43 | unum | it's funny how much time people spend yelling about how the government needs to spend less money, yet they have no idea what the govrnment spendings it on |
| 20:51.14 | ninnypants | heh yeah luckly I'm not one yelling :) |
| 20:51.49 | ninnypants | though I still think a switch to open office would be good ;) |
| 20:51.55 | unum | my brother was complaining about how most of the federal budget was "welfare" I pointed out that most of that money was social security/medicare being paid out to people who paid into it(and funded by a special regressive tax) |
| 20:51.59 | unum | he didn't believe me |
| 20:52.03 | unum | I made him look it up |
| 20:52.49 | unum | he thought social security/medicare/medicaid was less than 25% of the federal budget |
| 20:53.01 | unum | this guys a state delegate for crying out load!!!!! |
| 20:54.39 | mgeary | of course he was |
| 20:54.53 | PoeticIntensity | yo mgeary .... how's life, man? |
| 20:54.54 | mgeary | in my experience, delegates tend to be high on emotion, low on facts |
| 20:55.07 | mgeary | hey, PoeticIntensity, good, thanks. Here, let me kick your cat for you |
| 20:55.21 | mgeary | ;) |
| 20:55.22 | PoeticIntensity | *meooooowwwrrrr* |
| 20:55.30 | PoeticIntensity | ah dag... another one bites the dust. |
| 20:55.35 | PoeticIntensity | guess I gotta go get another. |
| 20:56.03 | PoeticIntensity | we gotta go do lunch again. |
| 20:56.08 | PoeticIntensity | you still in Orem? |
| 20:56.13 | unum | http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/newsgraphics/2011/0119-budget/index.html |
| 20:56.32 | unum | that's my favority |
| 20:56.32 | mgeary | yep. moved over to just off 8th north by the freeway |
| 20:56.47 | unum | hey I'm also a state delegate!!! |
| 20:56.53 | unum | of course for the other party..... |
| 20:56.55 | Utah_Dave | time for some celebratory Peanut M&M's!!! |
| 20:57.00 | PoeticIntensity | right on, mgeary I'm just west of UVU. |
| 20:57.04 | mgeary | unum: that's nice. However, they mis-labeled NPR and PBS as "Health and Human Services" |
| 20:57.59 | mgeary | clearly i didn't make my joke well enough |
| 20:58.03 | mgeary | because that should have been hilarious |
| 20:58.05 | josephscott | yikes : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8e7g8kJIlo |
| 21:04.26 | unum | what do people use for functional testing? |
| 21:11.23 | carmony | img of the day: http://imgur.com/yY9fb |
| 21:12.16 | josePHPagoda | so true |
| 21:21.30 | josephscott | whois stephanie meyer? |
| 21:21.46 | josephscott | sorry, who is stephanie meyer |
| 21:22.17 | herlo | creator of the twilight series of books |
| 21:22.32 | josephscott | ah, haven't read them or seen the movies |
| 21:22.57 | herlo | josephscott: I know this because my wife read the books. She hates the movies and its fanfare |
| 21:23.11 | josephscott | haha |
| 21:23.24 | herlo | :) |
| 21:23.28 | josephscott | funny how books vs. movies can bring that up some times |
| 21:23.56 | herlo | yeah |
| 21:24.08 | ninnypants | ~josephscott++ |
| 21:24.23 | ninnypants | http://imgur.com/gallery/rmy7q |
| 21:25.09 | josephscott | I will saw that Up did a pretty good job of explaining their married story at the beginning |
| 21:26.06 | josephscott | s/saw/say/ |
| 21:26.14 | unum | I guess nobody does functional testing.... |
| 21:26.36 | unum | or did I violate the on topic rule |
| 21:27.41 | josephscott | I don't usually have extensive design documents |
| 21:28.21 | unum | I never get any :) |
| 21:28.39 | josephscott | isn't that normally part of functional testing? |
| 21:28.42 | unum | the best I used to get was "look at the current process and make sure it does all the same stuff" |
| 21:29.01 | unum | you can create functional testing form the design in your head |
| 21:29.23 | josephscott | so then just basic unit testing? |
| 21:29.30 | unum | or if you have already implented the code and are doing some testing |
| 21:29.41 | josephscott | phpunit is pretty common for PHP projects |
| 21:29.45 | unum | I want to visit the page through the web server |
| 21:30.01 | josephscott | selenium |
| 21:30.43 | unum | thank you |
| 21:31.42 | Bikerdan | josephscott: Guitari rocks... |
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