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02:16.20beandogI think I've been in meetings .. almost all day
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16:03.00BikerdanGood morning everyone.  I'd like to pose a question...
16:03.34BikerdanIf you had $200 dollars to spend on a tablet, what would you get and why?  And don't say I'd get a netbook.  That is NOT a tablet.  Thanks!
16:03.52herloBikerdan: Kindle Fire is a good choice
16:04.03herloThe wife wants one from Santa
16:04.21BikerdanBut I see lots of options in that range.  There is a tab from lenovo.  And Coby....
16:04.27TuxToaster$rlart
16:04.27raifbotresizes pelaofeliz's terminal to 40x24.
16:04.44BikerdanThat run android without the amazon stuff on top.  So you get full marketplace without rooting.
16:04.52utahconBikerdan: Which Lenovo tab are you looking at?
16:04.57utahcondoes size matter?
16:04.57TuxToaster$200 on a tablet? hmm
16:05.03utahconwhat is the need for the tablet? work or play?
16:05.05Bikerdanhttp://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lenovo+-+IdeaPad+A1+Tablet+with+16GB+Memory+-+Black/3812469.p?id=1218435211144&skuId=3812469
16:05.06utahcongaming?
16:05.14TuxToasterI would have just said one of the Nooks, because you can root them easily
16:05.18TuxToasterbut you killed that thought
16:05.30BikerdanMostly play.  Reading, internet, planner type stuff, games.  Probably in that order.
16:05.49BikerdanI did?
16:06.08BikerdanOh... The "without rooting" comment.
16:06.10TuxToasteryup
16:06.35TuxToasterpersonally, I'd been tempted to get a Nook color so I could root it
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16:06.54TuxToasterand still considering getting it or a Nook tablet
16:06.54macnewboldi know TimRiker has had a lot of fun rooting his nook color
16:07.35BikerdanWhy the nook over the fire?  Ive seen comparisons that show that they're about the same in speed.
16:07.57utahconBikerdan: The ideapad is going to work as a tablet, but it is technically running a phone OS
16:08.02TuxToastera friend of mine got his wife an ASUS one that she really liked
16:08.16herloBikerdan: I think it's a matter of what you are going to be doing with the laptop
16:08.27BikerdanNot a laptop.
16:08.27herloare you planning on rooting it? Or do you just want it to work when you get it?
16:08.31herlosorry, tablet
16:08.32TuxToasterBikerdan: it's a bit of a tossup really, but I like the style of the Nook better, and it has a microphone built in (Fire doesn't)
16:08.33Bikerdanlol
16:08.42mahelioushttp://eee.asus.com/en/eeepad/transformer-prime/features a little bit more than your price range, but i argue a tablet *could* be a netbook...at least when you want it to be
16:08.43herloBikerdan: you knew I meant tablet, stopit
16:08.51utahconFire skimped on a lot of physical feaures
16:08.58TuxToaster$lart herlo
16:08.58raifbotputs on a hockey mask and jumps out at herlo.
16:09.26herlolol
16:09.40BikerdanI'd be open to rooting, I'm just worried about bricking it or something stupid like that.  It's for my wife, so she would probably want the lowest maintenance possible.
16:09.43utahconmahelious: I want the Transformer Prime so bad
16:09.49NafaiThe ASUS Transformer Prime looks sweet
16:10.02NafaiBut I'll have to stick with my G-Slate
16:10.13utahconladie... wtf was I ... ugh
16:10.28utahconG-Slate... ick
16:10.30utahconICK!
16:10.34Bikerdanok you two
16:11.04BikerdanMy biggest problem with the fire is that the interface is just not smooth.
16:11.10BikerdanScrolling and zooming are choppy.
16:11.19utahconfull disclosure: I looked at the G-Slate. Didn't do it cause it wasn't the Galaxy Tab -- truth
16:11.22BikerdanIt feels like I'm running a pos
16:11.36Nafaiutahcon: Hey, it was a gift, so free rocks.  I like it overall, would prefer a Galaxy Tab.
16:11.37TuxToasteryeah that's what I heard as well
16:11.47utahconBikerdan: Fire was built for reading first and tablet second
16:11.50utahconsame with nook
16:11.52BikerdanYeah
16:11.57TuxToasterpersonally I still prefer the iPad for most of what you mentioned above, reading, browsing, email, games, etc.
16:11.59utahconNafai: Well free is a different story!
16:12.03TuxToasterit's just too expensive
16:12.21TuxToasterlol
16:12.35utahconiDontWantApple!
16:12.36BikerdanI have an ipad2 that my wife has played with and I'm worried that if she uses the fire, she'll feel like I got her a peice of crud.
16:13.05NafaiLuckily, some people are making progress on hacking/rooting the G-Slate, so I might actually have a chance at having ICS on it
16:13.18utahconmmmm ICS
16:13.21utahconI want a real ICS
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16:14.09TuxToasterthey got ICS on an iPhone: http://cl.ly/1r3i3k3g3z0C2k363T0W
16:14.46BikerdanSo any other ~$200 tablets that I should look at?  Seems like the consensus is the Fire or the Nook
16:16.04TuxToasterproblem is, at that price point, most of them would be crud.
16:16.40utahconTuxToaster is right.
16:16.44TuxToasterI'd think those would be your best bet, I thought there was an ASUS one that was around $200 but can't find it now
16:17.09utahconTuxToaster the orignal Transformer will be soon.
16:17.23maheliousif its just between the kindle or nook, definitely go with the kindle.  B&H is just two steps away from the same fate as Borders,CompUSA and the City of Circuits
16:17.41herlomahelious: BN, not B&H
16:17.46TuxToasterlol
16:17.55herloB&H is not going anywhere
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16:18.37BikerdanDo you guys know if it's possible to put the marketplace on the fire without rooting it?
16:18.39maheliousdoh!  B&N, my bad
16:18.44utahconOh come on, BN jus partnered with OSTK... no wait you are right.
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16:19.38herloBikerdan: what, you don't like the amazon app store?
16:19.46Bikerdan:)
16:19.59BikerdanI have use apple.  No
16:20.48ninnypantsI never got anything that I would even use from that free app a day thing
16:21.08utahconninnypants: What?! You must not like tower defense games
16:21.11NafaiThe main thing I've got that I still use is Swiftkey X
16:21.50ninnypantsI have a swipe beta and my new phone has it pre installed so I haven't needed another keyboard
16:21.54utahconI had quite the collection of sweet free apps (almost 300) and then I switched email addresses on my Amazon account, don't do that!
16:22.02ninnypantsutahcon: I don't play games on my phone
16:22.08utahconswype for the win!
16:22.18utahconninnypants: Phones were always meant for gaming, you are missing out
16:23.42mindjujui think there is a place for a reduced presence B
16:23.47mindjujuarnes and noble
16:23.57mindjujubut completely gone?  i don't think so
16:24.32ninnypantsmindjuju: what?
16:25.26ninnypantsutahcon: I've never enjoyed phone gaming or any sort of casual gaming really
16:26.41BikerdanI have free app a day...  That doesn't make the store though...
16:26.57mindjujuninnypants, srry was helping somebody
16:27.17mindjujui was aying though that i think as long as people like living socially, barnes and noble will be around.
16:27.25mindjujualong with the grocery store, etc
16:27.50mindjujuthere may not be as many barnes and noble around, but they'll be there
16:28.03mindjujujust like half.com didn't wipe out the second hand bookstores
16:29.10ninnypantsmindjuju: makes sense
16:29.55ninnypantsI think book stores would be a lot better off if they didn't try to work like walmart
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16:32.12mindjujuoh, no wonder he didn't say anything, he just got here
16:33.00maheliousmgeary: an argument is proposed that walmart is a benefit to society and a symbol of american spirit.  your thoughts?
16:33.22mgearywell hey, we haven't had the Walmart discussion for a while now
16:34.01mgearyhahaha
16:34.38mindjujuhere is what was said mgeary
16:34.39mindjuju07[09:29] <ninnypants> 02I think book stores would be a lot better off if they didn't try to work like walmart14[09:30] * @mindjuju waits for mgeary to pipe in about Walmart : the destroyer of worlds01
16:34.58herlomindjuju: I'd agree with mgeary
16:35.15herlothey are the bane of this world. They ruin ecosystems
16:35.30TuxToaster$lart Walmart
16:35.30raifbotDoSes Walmart.
16:35.38TuxToaster$lart Target
16:35.38raifbotdoes a little 'renice 20 -u Target'.
16:35.42mindjujuyou know, until recently there were more kmarts than walmarts, though they weren't as vilified
16:35.45TuxToaster:-)
16:35.50herlopeople go there because they sell things cheap, but they make people work for less, so people have to shop there to make ends meet
16:36.12herlokmart doesn't treat it's employees like dog poo
16:36.32TuxToasteragreed. I loved working for Kmart about 10 years ago
16:36.40Nafaiyeah, my former brother-in-law is stuck in a dead-in job at Wal-mart, unfortunately I never see him moving beyond it
16:37.05NafaiBut, hey, Walmart has been a live saver as far as having a nation-wide, inexpensive pharmacy network
16:37.41mindjujushush you, that's a comment contrary to the status quo of let's all hate walmart
16:37.48mindjuju;)
16:38.14mahelioushave to keep the anti-depressants flowing to all the wallyworld employees
16:38.36mgearythe economic question aside, i shudder at the thought of passing over to my children and grandchildren a world where every city only has an Applebee's, a WalMart, and a Burger King. I really dislike the increasing franchization of America
16:38.53mgearyi love having to go to certain places to get certain things
16:39.18mgearymuch as i'd love getting a really good Berlin Döner now and then, the fact that i can really only get one in Berlin makes going there that much more magical
16:40.04Nafaimindjuju: Sorry, medication is kind of my life and overrides everything :)
16:41.55maheliousmgeary: yknow, thats exactly what i said when In N Out came to prorem
16:42.52maheliousmy doners come from baden-wuerttemberg, but same difference
16:46.39herloNafai: but your contributing to the same problem by using their pharmacy. I'm not saying you should stop, I'm just saying that's going to cause others to lose their businesses because they cannot compete
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16:53.24Nafaiherlo: When one of thse other pharmacies gives me the ability to fill my medication whereever I am in the US, maybe I will
16:55.14Utah_DaveWe should make businesses stop hiring herlo because we can't compete with his awesomeness.
16:57.21herloNafai: rite aid :)
16:57.25herlocvs
16:57.40Monnokthats what i use
17:02.02macnewboldband aid
17:02.21ninnypantshttps://www.mint.com/accounting
17:02.39ninnypantsinteresting way to try for a date
17:05.09maheliousi want to try mint out, but honestly im terrified about giving that information out.
17:05.25maheliousi dont even let amazon store my account info
17:06.35mindjujumahelious, i use an "allowance" card for that, family $$ at one bank, allowance credit card at a completely different bank. i usually just keep about $150 there for online purchases
17:06.43mindjujuthey steal that, no probs
17:07.09mindjujuthat said, the family CC never sees burger king, etc
17:07.14mindjujutoo dangerous, IMNSHO
17:08.16ninnypantsmindjuju: agreed supernovia had her card stolen going through the drivethrough at a fast food place
17:09.30mindjujuyeah see, some goofus steals yoru CC, it's the family budget one, and suddenly your bouncing checks / pay bills all goes to pot
17:09.50mindjujuand on all the critical stuff
17:11.55Nafaithat's why I laugh when people are so afraid of putting their credit card online but don't think twice about handing their card to a suspicious looking cashier
17:14.24macnewboldyeah, the only time my card number was ever used fraudulently was from getting ripped off at a local restaurant
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17:17.41ninnypantsI think my only time was when I bought from a camera shop back in New York
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17:31.59mindjujuhmm... http://news.yahoo.com/mikhail-gorbachev-calls-vote-russia-120940655.html
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17:39.13utahconI have never gone more then 24 hours without my monies being returned by my CU
17:39.18mindjujuthat's cause you're Mr. Money bags
17:39.40mindjujua lot can bounce in 24hrs
17:40.03utahconmindjuju: oh I know
17:40.20utahconmy bank has been awesome about such things though
17:40.27utahconit's weird... it's like they are humans
17:40.55utahconbut then I get an email about every single purchase made, when it auths and when it clears.
17:41.03utahcona txt msg when a big purchase happens
17:41.19utahconand a phone call from the monitoring service the minute a LARGE purchase attempts to go through
17:41.24utahconusually before I leave the store.
17:41.32utahcongotta love the service
17:41.45mindjuju:)
17:41.58utahconI would wager if more people watched their money as closely as I do we wouldn't have half the fraud we have now
17:42.20utahconpeople are just too scared to know what really happens and they shield themselves from it, only to be duped by it
17:42.43utahconNBC was on to something with "The More You Know" campaigns
17:43.12utahconeducate yourself on how every step of any process your life touches works and you will be in a much better state
17:43.19utahcon</soapbox>
17:46.19macnewboldk, i'll take the bait - utahcon, what bank is it?
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18:04.29mgearyhey, FYI, an old buddy of mine just asked me if i knew anyone looking for a FT job doing PHP. I don't really have any details beyond that, and i've encouraged him to post to the jobs list, but if anyone wants me to give them some contact details, PM me
18:16.17clintberry@utahcon Do you use Mint.com? It caught some suspicious transactions and emailed me. And it makes budgeting so ridiculously easy. I get an email if my wife goes over the monthly clothes budget.
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18:16.42carmonygooooooooooooooood morning
18:17.27josePHPagodahi carmony
18:18.01carmonyso, you guys hear about the MythBusters accident?
18:18.14mindjujuyup
18:18.17josePHPagodawhat?
18:18.19josePHPagodai haven't heard
18:18.29mindjujusavage got himself blowed up
18:18.35mindjuju;)
18:18.57josePHPagodawhere can I read about this accident?
18:19.43clintberryhttp://insidetv.ew.com/2011/12/07/mythbusters-cannonball-statement/
18:19.55mindjujuhttp://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=mythbusters
18:20.00mindjujulook at top link
18:20.12clintberryha ha, love lmgtfy
18:20.47josePHPagodayeah, I saw that, but that's not savage being blowed up
18:20.48josePHPagoda:-P
18:20.59clintberryI didn't hear about savage either... hmmm
18:21.08NafaiI think mindjuju was trying to freak us out
18:21.10mindjujui was just kidding about savage getting blowed up
18:21.16Nafaijerk
18:21.34mindjujulimh
18:22.52mahelioushate to be that homeowner.  "does my insurance cover act of god?"
18:23.10mgearywhat myth were they testing?
18:23.25mindjujuoh man, that's covered by set insurance
18:23.34maheliousapparently whether tory could lob a cannonball with any accuracy.  myth BUSTED
18:23.35mindjujui'm sure the home owners will make $$
18:23.51mindjujuand some lucky lawyer will make $$$$
18:24.01carmonyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-CErr0VOY
18:24.32carmonythey were testing plausible cannonball alternatives
18:25.46carmonybut their "control" cannonball missed the target and ricocheted (sp?) into the neighborhood.
18:25.54mindjujuwhy don't they just change their name to Crazy Science experiments that have nothing to do with myths any more
18:27.28Monnokits not as catchy
18:38.09carmonyThis is pretty cool that Stanford is having some "free online" classes for those interested in learning stuff. http://www.cs101-class.org/
18:39.29mindjujuhow does it compare to open courseware?
18:39.43carmonyhrm, not sure, haven't heard of open courseware
18:39.53mindjujuhttp://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm
18:39.55mindjujuit's MITs
18:40.45mindjujui browse / watched some of the python stuff a couple years back, talk about rigorous
18:41.24mindjujuthe course wasn't on straight up python, it was programming theroy and they were using python
18:49.04mindjujuhey fungus, you around?
18:49.47mindjujuif i got a file copying from 1 server to another using just file copy in winders, how can i tel the file transfer speed?  is there a way to coax that from netstat?
18:56.31fungusnetstat no
18:56.35funguswireshark, kind of
19:04.29fungusin reality, no
19:04.44funguslesson, don't use windows  ;)
19:09.41BikerdanDoes the networking tab in the windows task manager show enough information?
19:12.32Heartsbanecarmony: They are what you call experts!
19:12.42Heartsbanesorry had to be done
19:16.46carmonylol
19:26.03josephscottwho builds a house near a bomb range?
19:26.52fungusI wish the Mythbusters cannon ball went through my house.  Talk about geek cred.
19:26.59BikerdanThe people that sold the house to the people that live there now.
19:29.33HeartsbaneI am hoping they revisit this myth
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19:39.42herlolol
19:39.46herloI just heard about that
19:40.28mahelioushttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/12/skype_security.html
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19:56.00ninnypantsmahelious: I thought I saw those securty flaws in one of his older posts
19:56.10ninnypantsmaybe I saw them somewhere else
19:57.26maheliousi believe this is not the first vulnerability found in skype
19:58.03ninnypantsI'm sure it's not ;)
19:58.08ninnypantsbut it was the exact same issues
20:01.12maheliousthe claim about "locating" the person based on IP address is pretty laughable.  but you can do a fair amount of damage with an IP.
20:05.31ninnypantsI could see finding a person based on IP you'd have their general area from the ip and if they aren't a spam bot their name likely contains their name which you could cross reference with a phone book
20:26.56ninnypantswhat's the best php class for creating XML?
20:27.13macnewboldninnypants: i like the builtin ones - simplexml i think is my fav
20:27.33ninnypantsmacnewbold: that's what I figured
20:27.41jsmithninnypants: I hate simplexml... use DOM instead :-)
20:27.51NafaiPHP.  XML.  EWWWWWWWWWWWW.
20:27.54macnewboldthey have different fortes
20:28.03jsmithninnypants: It's slightly more complicated, but oh-so-very-nice once you grok it
20:28.07ninnypantsahh was just about to mention that jsmith hate's simplexml
20:29.04NafaiI've done more work in Java and XML that should be considered sane.
20:30.12ninnypantsNafai: would totaly go with JSON but it's not what the api supports
20:30.38Nafais-expressions are really the way to go
20:31.55macnewbolddepending what you want to do, either one (simplexml or dom) can work really well. when i use simplexml, i often prefer to recursively cast its result to an array instead of an object, but i guess you can be pretty dynamic with either one.
20:32.08macnewboldbut for creating xml,
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20:35.32macnewboldnow that i think about it, I think i tend to simply output the xml in most cases where i need to create XML. but usually that's for APIs that are relatively static and just need some variables filled in.
20:36.25ninnypantsyeah I would do it like that but I don't want to worry about any of the matching tags stuff so I figure I'll use one of the php tools
20:38.31macnewboldyeah, true - if there's any doubt about getting the output to match up right, using a tool is the way to go
20:39.09macnewboldfor that, i bet they're not too different - start with a DOM object or a SimpleXML object, then just add all the children you need.
20:40.27ninnypantsyeah that's what I figured
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20:57.41Monnoknot a big fan of starting new projects
21:14.37macnewboldhehe
21:15.00macnewboldMonnok: core/config.php, then start baking controllers
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22:09.29tierramacnewbold: I like to start with models/table first, but whatever floats your boat, heh
22:09.42macnewboldtierra: me too
22:09.51macnewboldi always have my db built first
22:09.54macnewboldforgot to mention models though
22:10.03macnewboldmy cake is rusty
22:10.07macnewboldnot safe to eat
22:10.28tierraheh
22:10.55tierrathe TDD guys would be in here throwing a fit
22:23.58josephscottcarmony: are you submitting a paper for php|tek again?
22:24.08carmonyjosephscott: I'm planning to
22:24.36josephscottsaw this http://www.phparch.com/2011/12/php-tek-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ and made me think of you :-)
22:27.25carmonyah, thanks for letting me know :)
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22:32.29maheliousis Dec. 31st the date for a full draft, or just a proposal?
22:46.57mindjujuhmm, i've always wondered how the courts would side if blogger was media or no - http://news.yahoo.com/federal-court-rules-investigative-blogger-not-journalist-orders-210406647.html;_ylt=AlQvR_o6ZSBuUGZeYZ5jSz6r9HQA;_ylu=X3oDMTRkaGIwOHJnBGNjb2RlA3JkdG9wMTAwMHBvb2wEbWl0A05ld3MgZm9yIHlvdQRwa2cDOTZhNGJhMmEtMGEwMS0zMzQxLWEzNDctY2FiNjg3ODNjYzUyBHBvcwM0BHNlYwNuZXdzX2Zvcl95b3UEdmVyA2ZmZGU5NTgwLTIxMTYtMTFlMS1iZjc4LTFkYWZlODI
22:47.01mindjujuwow, srry
22:47.16mindjujuhttp://news.yahoo.com/federal-court-rules-investigative-blogger-not-journalist-orders-210406647.html
22:54.17mahelious2.5 million?  seems excessive.
22:54.54mindjujui don't know, marketing campaigns can be extremely pricey
22:55.33mindjujuundoing the damage caused by libel can be costly
22:55.51mindjujui'm not sure whaqt was said, and if it is accurate or libelous, i'm just speaking in general terms
22:58.10Heartsbanemindjuju: when herlo tinyurls you should use http://hugeurl.geeks.org/
22:58.34mindjujuawesome!
22:58.51josephscottthe queue  feature in handbrake is a life saver for DVDs that have multiple tv episodes on them
22:58.55josephscottjust thought I'd share :-)
22:59.29mindjujuhearts, i hope this doesn't get me kicked off for flooding
22:59.33mindjujuhttp://hugeurl.geeks.org/?ZmY4YWViZGZhODhhZWMxY2E2ZDE1YWRmMT c1ODQ3NjkmMTEmVm0wd2QyUXlWa2hWV0doVVYwZG9jRlZ0TVZOWFZsbDNXa1 JTVjFac2JETlhhMk0xVjBaS2MySkVUbGhoTVhCUVZteFZlRll5VGtsalJtaG 9UV3N3ZUZadGNFdFRNVTVJVm10a1dHSkdjSEJXTUZwSFRURmFjVkZ0UmxSTm F6RTFWVEowVjFaWFNrbFJiR2hYWWxob00xWldXbUZrUlRGWlkwZDRVMkpIZH pGV2EyUXdZVEZrU0ZOclpHcFRSVXBZVkZWa1UyUnNjRmRYYlVacVlrWmFlVm RyV25kV01ERkZVbFJDVjAxdVVuWlZha1pYWkVaT2NtSkdTbWxXUjNo
23:01.08maheliousjosephscott: not to mention multiple passes
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23:17.57ninnypantshttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/oblivious-supreme-court-poised-to-legalize-medical-patents.ars
23:18.05ninnypantskinda scary
23:23.15NafaiNOOOOOOOOO.
23:23.23NafaiDoes this country not want me to live?!
23:23.29maheliousi'm surprised we don't see a bigger "medical underground"
23:24.22maheliousprobably because of "medical vacations" to canada or mexico
23:25.04NafaiIf this crap continues, I'll have to move to Canada
23:26.41skinnerhttp://bit.ly/t0h8Qe             (This is a bit.ly URL made from a small tinyurl.com URL which was made from a hugeurl.geeks.org URL which was made from another tinyurl.com URL which was made from it's source)
23:26.52mahelioustoo cold.  lieber central america
23:28.01maheliousi think i could find a nice spot in belize or honduras
23:46.02unumso lets say I want to display a get variable on wordpress page
23:46.17unumis it really this complicated: http://thewordpresswarrior.com/616/passing-variables-via-url
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23:50.05mindjujusup sunsparc
23:50.28SunSparcmindjuju: word
23:50.48SunSparcJust playing with cookies
23:51.00mindjujuremind me to never be ambiguous or obfuscate around you
23:51.16mindjujuthe way you tore into that guy on PLUG about the job offer, wow
23:51.19SunSparc:)
23:51.26SunSparclol
23:51.42mindjujuyou were right to do it, but wow
23:51.50mindjujutotally called him on it
23:51.57SunSparcI hope I did not come across as a jerk, I just like having all the information.
23:52.24SunSparcThen again, that list is well known for being brutal.  :)
23:52.58SunSparcYou going to the Python meeting tomorrow?
23:53.18mindjujuwith the robotics?  i'm going to try
23:53.34mindjujuplus, i need to talk to the user group leaders
23:53.35SunSparcYeah, robotics has always fascinated me.
23:55.13SunSparcOk, I have a legitimate PHP question. (Weird for this channel, I know.)
23:55.35mindjujuyeah, you missed the debates on Walmart and Medical patents
23:55.41mindjujuall happened today
23:55.46SunSparcWhat!?
23:55.50SunSparcDanggit
23:56.06mindjujuoh, and I totally got Nafai into thinking that mythbusters SAvage got blowed up
23:56.22mindjujui just know he's going to ddos my servers now
23:56.28SunSparcI am setting a cookie in an app.  Once set, I go to the browser and check the cookie list.  Not there.  But if I "read" the cookie in the app, it reads fine.  What?  Is there such a thing as a hidden cookie?
23:56.51SunSparcmindjuju: hah, I saw that news report about the cannonball

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