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| 15:55.52 | Utah_Dave | I've been ordered by family to come up with a list of stuff I'd like for Christmas. This is harder than I thought it would be! |
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| 15:57.35 | Monnok | $8ball am i going to get paid today? |
| 15:57.35 | raifbot | Monnok - Yes. |
| 15:57.42 | Monnok | Liar! |
| 15:58.08 | Monnok | dare i dream? |
| 15:59.29 | utahcon | $ball am I going to get paid today? |
| 15:59.37 | utahcon | $8ball am I going to get paid today? |
| 15:59.37 | raifbot | utahcon - You may rely on it. |
| 15:59.41 | utahcon | weird |
| 16:02.14 | eggyknap | Utah_Dave: amazon wish list. |
| 16:03.01 | Utah_Dave | The hard part is coming up with items to put on the list! |
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| 16:21.31 | ninnypants | mindjuju: ping |
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| 17:35.22 | josePHPagoda | mindjuju: ping! |
| 17:38.56 | fungus | $ping |
| 17:39.00 | fungus | ~ping |
| 17:39.00 | ibot | ~pong |
| 17:44.50 | josePHPagoda | a game of wits |
| 17:46.06 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:46.07 | raifbot | duct-tapes sheri to the floor and drools on him. |
| 17:46.16 | TuxToaster | ~lart raifbot |
| 17:46.16 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets raifbot feel it |
| 17:46.33 | TuxToaster | raifbot should be nice to sheri |
| 17:47.06 | mindjuju | bully beating on little boy, little boy kicks bully in the jimmies, school calls it sexual harassment :( http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/02/7-year-old-accused-of-possible-sexual-harassment-for-kicking-boy-in-groin/ |
| 17:47.09 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 17:48.19 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 17:48.39 | TuxToaster | I mean yeah, he could have chosen another method of self defense, but still. |
| 17:49.58 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: "If the school views kicking in the groin sexual harassment, then they should charge the bully with attempted murder for choking the kid." that is all |
| 17:49.59 | Monnok | like gouging out the bully's eyes or fish-hooking him? punching him in the throat? What do you want a littler kid to do to defend himself? |
| 17:50.10 | Monnok | ^^ DtD |
| 17:50.38 | macnewbold | um, but last I checked, groin kicks were highly advocated and instructed in self-defense classes... |
| 17:50.42 | Monnok | how many reliable ways does a smaller kid have of stopping this kind of treatment? |
| 17:50.49 | macnewbold | being taught to children, women, etc, for defending against an assailant |
| 17:51.15 | Monnok | groin kicks arent fatal; they are a stopping maneuver |
| 17:51.42 | macnewbold | definately stopping |
| 17:51.45 | TuxToaster | true |
| 17:51.49 | macnewbold | usually no long term damage even |
| 17:52.17 | Bikerdan | LOL! "since it’s a private matter." LOL |
| 17:52.28 | TuxToaster | it's not private now. |
| 17:52.29 | Monnok | under most circumstances, it works well. Against someone under a lot of adrenaline (like a real fight), this will only piss them off more |
| 17:52.31 | macnewbold | haha |
| 17:52.47 | Bikerdan | Wonder if that pun was intended... |
| 17:54.50 | mahelious | if youre over 30 and use XBOX Live (-Live, live?) you're probably a pedophile http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/11/30/police-child-porn-suspect-was-frequent-xbox-live-user/ |
| 17:54.52 | mindjuju | DtD - totally agree |
| 17:54.56 | ninnypants | My first thought was what are these school officials into that make them think a kick to the groin is sexual? |
| 17:55.12 | Monnok | oh good, im still just 30 |
| 17:55.56 | ninnypants | whew I've got ~7 years until I'm a pedo |
| 17:55.58 | Monnok | school officials into S&M? |
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| 17:58.39 | mindjuju | hmm, boy tells friend teacher cute; charged with sexual harrasment - http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29910470/detail.html wow |
| 17:58.39 | Bikerdan | So what happens when a woman kicks her boss in the jujubees because he was sexually harrasing her? |
| 17:59.19 | Bikerdan | Sometimes I wish the world had a reset button.... |
| 17:59.30 | mindjuju | no doubt |
| 18:02.32 | ninnypants | http://theopenglobe.org/wiki/US_Senate_passes_its_version_of_NDAA_bill,_which_would_allow_military_to_detain_anyone_on_US_soil |
| 18:03.46 | Monnok | but then how would we learn not to make the same mistakes again? (post reset) |
| 18:04.21 | Monnok | ok maybe that wasnt meant to be discussed seriously... |
| 18:05.39 | mindjuju | i guess it depends how complete of a reset it was |
| 18:05.59 | TuxToaster | how about a reset button on the back of people's heads. You can selectively reset people that are idiots. :P |
| 18:06.24 | TuxToaster | problem is that would then blow up into people deciding how and when someone should be reset. |
| 18:06.51 | josePHPagoda | and the idiots would somehow gain control |
| 18:08.14 | TuxToaster | most likely |
| 18:08.44 | mindjuju | josePHPagoda, return to status quo? idiots already in control |
| 18:09.01 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:09.10 | josePHPagoda | but we wouldn't _know_ the idiots are in control |
| 18:09.32 | TuxToaster | $8ball should we press the reset button? |
| 18:09.33 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook not so good. |
| 18:09.33 | josePHPagoda | at least we know now |
| 18:09.36 | josePHPagoda | :-P |
| 18:09.38 | josePHPagoda | lol |
| 18:09.57 | TuxToaster | $8ball would the idiots take over? |
| 18:09.58 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Signs point to yes. |
| 18:10.01 | TuxToaster | yup. |
| 18:11.53 | Bikerdan | Case closed |
| 18:12.01 | Bikerdan | Reset button a bad idea. |
| 18:12.07 | Bikerdan | What we need are people proxies. |
| 18:12.13 | Bikerdan | Wait... |
| 18:12.16 | Bikerdan | Same issues. |
| 18:13.03 | Bikerdan | Maybe we should ship all the idiots to a big island like australia.... |
| 18:13.14 | Bikerdan | Wait... |
| 18:13.44 | Monnok | See? we ARE learning from history |
| 18:13.49 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:14.03 | stderr- | the problem here is that everyone has convinced themselves that everyone else is an idiot. |
| 18:14.48 | stderr- | Dunning-Kruger effect and all that. |
| 18:15.20 | Bikerdan | What does Nightmare on elmstreet have to do with this. |
| 18:15.22 | Bikerdan | ? |
| 18:15.39 | Bikerdan | Down with the idiots! |
| 18:15.41 | stderr- | That's Krueger, not Kruger. |
| 18:15.54 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 18:16.02 | Bikerdan | I was actually just kidding. |
| 18:20.47 | unum | the idea that drives me crazy is that things were somehow better in the past |
| 18:20.57 | unum | the world has always been full of idiots :) |
| 18:21.30 | mindjuju | stderr- , as a funny historical sidebar, did you see that Dunning + Kruger won the Ig Nobel prize for their research on that? |
| 18:21.45 | Bikerdan | Yeah... but the ability for the stupidity to spread as fast wasn't there. |
| 18:22.12 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 18:22.21 | Bikerdan | I better not read that book. |
| 18:22.27 | stderr- | unum: that's called "rosy retrospection" |
| 18:22.33 | stderr- | mindjuju: indeed. |
| 18:22.42 | ninnypants | mindjuju: IIS question for you |
| 18:22.49 | mindjuju | shoot |
| 18:24.11 | ninnypants | I'm trying to get WordPress permalinks to work on IIS 7 |
| 18:24.23 | ninnypants | I've got this as my web.config http://pastebin.com/jxv5D1J1 |
| 18:24.57 | mindjuju | i just knew this was going to involve rewrite in IIS |
| 18:25.06 | ninnypants | and everything works fine unless the page doesn't exist in WordPress then it returns "No input file specified. " |
| 18:25.40 | ninnypants | http://grudavet.com/resources/scratching-behavior-in-cat/ http://grudavet.com/abc/ |
| 18:25.48 | ninnypants | those are some examples |
| 18:45.03 | unum | Bikerdan: but he ability for intelligents to spread didn't exist either |
| 18:45.28 | unum | ignorance exists in the absence of knowledge |
| 18:45.47 | stderr- | intelligence* |
| 18:45.59 | unum | oops, that's an ironic typo |
| 18:47.50 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:50.25 | Bikerdan | unum: Lack of knowledge doesn't always imply stupidity. Ignorance != Stupidity |
| 18:50.48 | Bikerdan | Plus they didn't have Hollywood back then. |
| 18:51.00 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:52.08 | stderr- | I don't think Hollywood is a significant contributor to stupidity. |
| 18:52.16 | Bikerdan | realy? |
| 18:52.20 | Bikerdan | doh! |
| 18:52.39 | Bikerdan | I think it's a breeding ground for stupidity. |
| 18:53.06 | Bikerdan | A swirling vortex of idiocy. |
| 18:53.41 | unum | Bikerdan: if you think people assuming knowledge is a new trend you need to read plato |
| 18:54.01 | unum | I refuse to accept that people are more misled today than they have been in the past |
| 18:54.46 | mindjuju | on the whole, probably not, but i think there are periods of time where more people are fooled / foolish than at other periods of time |
| 18:54.46 | unum | everything I have ever read has lead me to believe the levels have always been similiar |
| 18:55.11 | Bikerdan | My only assumption was that it's easier for people to be persuaded by idiots these days. |
| 18:55.14 | unum | I guess I should say overall |
| 18:55.52 | unum | Bikerdan: it maybe easier for one idiot to pursade everyone, but it's alway been easy |
| 18:55.54 | Bikerdan | And for some reason, idiots seem to have a greater drive to share their "knowledge". |
| 18:56.15 | unum | a greater drive now then in the past? |
| 18:56.24 | Bikerdan | Did I say that? |
| 18:56.27 | Bikerdan | no |
| 18:56.47 | unum | oh you meant a greater drive than non-idiots? |
| 18:56.59 | Bikerdan | Idiots had as great a drive before, but the extent of their reach was more limited. |
| 18:57.02 | Bikerdan | Yes |
| 18:57.06 | stderr- | Bikerdan: Hollywood may be built by stupidity, but that doesn't mean it's really spreading stupidity. |
| 18:57.21 | stderr- | I can watch a Sex and the City movie without becoming dumber. |
| 18:57.22 | unum | I still disagree with you about their reach |
| 18:57.30 | Bikerdan | They have more access to media than most people... |
| 18:57.42 | unum | an individuals reach may be further, but as for idiots in general I disagree |
| 18:58.23 | unum | Hollywood makes dumb movies because people like to watch dumb movies |
| 18:58.44 | Bikerdan | I wasn't talking about the movies... More the people. |
| 18:59.17 | unum | now I'm confused |
| 18:59.33 | stderr- | I think he's talking about uninformed celebrities. |
| 18:59.35 | unum | how do these "idiots" "spread stupidity" |
| 18:59.40 | Bikerdan | Yes |
| 19:00.08 | unum | so people who care about what britney spear thinks are made dumber by reading articles about her? |
| 19:00.25 | stderr- | I'd argue that the celebrities in the talk radio / cable news realm have more of an influence on spreading stupidity. |
| 19:00.37 | stderr- | Than, say, Brad Pitt. |
| 19:00.47 | unum | I have to argee with stderr on that |
| 19:00.50 | Bikerdan | I would agree with that. |
| 19:00.57 | unum | but there's always been personalities like that |
| 19:01.14 | Bikerdan | With equipment to broadcast it to millions? |
| 19:01.28 | unum | it's true that one person hasn't had as far a reach, but that just means the role was carried out by more people |
| 19:01.37 | Bikerdan | ? |
| 19:01.54 | stderr- | Father Coughlin is a prime example from during the Depression. |
| 19:01.58 | unum | every town had it's local glenn beck spreading lies and deceit |
| 19:02.58 | Bikerdan | So the lies were more diverse then they are now. |
| 19:03.20 | Bikerdan | Not as many people spouting the same lies? |
| 19:03.33 | Bikerdan | So which lies would be more credible? |
| 19:04.12 | Bikerdan | Anyway... No proof = neverending debate... I gotta get to work. |
| 19:04.16 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 19:04.44 | ninnypants | mindjuju: any ideas on that IIS thing seems strange that it would only do that when WordPress would display a 404 |
| 19:05.03 | macnewbold | ~iis |
| 19:05.03 | ibot | somebody said iis was Microsoft's idea of how a web server should work. buggier than sin and about half as flexible. Internet Information Suckers, or a piece of , wait, you know that. |
| 19:05.07 | stderr- | ninnypants: missing WP's 404 file? |
| 19:05.26 | macnewbold | ibot, iis is also evil |
| 19:05.26 | ibot | macnewbold: okay |
| 19:05.38 | ninnypants | stderr-: nope wp will just defalut to the theme's index.php file if 404.php wasn't found |
| 19:06.41 | stderr- | well I've exhausted my IIS and WordPress knowledge. |
| 19:07.18 | ninnypants | I wonder if IIS hijacks it when WP sends the HTTP 404 resoponse |
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| 21:42.13 | mgeary | anyone know how to get id of "@" on the permissions on a file in OS X? |
| 21:45.50 | mgeary | e.g. rwxrwxr-x@ 1 mgeary |
| 21:47.10 | herlo | you don't |
| 21:47.34 | mgeary | for some reason, these files are 'dimmed', and the OS isn't letting me work with them normally |
| 21:47.52 | fungus | mgeary, chflags or something like that |
| 21:47.57 | mgeary | working with them in terminal is normal, but not in the Finder. Tried relaunching the Finder |
| 21:48.09 | fungus | chflags nohidden filename |
| 21:48.23 | herlo | fungus: it's not chattr? |
| 21:48.37 | herlo | I wonder if that's a BSD thing. |
| 21:48.54 | fungus | it's a BSD thing |
| 21:49.29 | mgeary | that didn't change anything |
| 21:49.35 | mgeary | maybe uimmutable? |
| 21:50.40 | mgeary | bah |
| 21:50.44 | fungus | mgeary, list the flags that are on there |
| 21:50.50 | fungus | ls -Ol filename |
| 21:51.03 | mgeary | -rwxrwxr-x@ 1 mgeary staff - 2885006 Dec 1 17:10 part_0_G_102.mp3 |
| 21:51.08 | mgeary | don't appear to be any |
| 21:51.33 | fungus | So does the file not show up, or the parent folder? |
| 21:51.38 | mgeary | it does |
| 21:51.54 | mgeary | though i do have "show invisible files" enabled |
| 21:52.03 | mgeary | but it's "dimmied" |
| 21:52.06 | mgeary | "dimmed" |
| 21:52.31 | fungus | Maybe a funny ACL |
| 21:52.38 | fungus | ls -el filename |
| 21:52.42 | mgeary | tried that too |
| 21:53.00 | fungus | Is it only the file, or the parent folder too? |
| 21:53.44 | mindjuju | <cough> what about a reboot? </cough> |
| 21:53.59 | fungus | lol, it's not windows |
| 21:54.03 | mgeary | well, i just re-downloaded the directory from the server |
| 21:54.08 | mgeary | to my desktop. |
| 21:54.13 | mgeary | opened it, same exact deal |
| 21:54.18 | mgeary | so it's somehow coming from the remote server |
| 21:54.47 | fungus | mgeary, does it affect only the file, or a parent directory? |
| 21:55.01 | mgeary | just the files in the directory i'm copying down |
| 21:55.11 | mgeary | i think i found something. On the server, the perms are: |
| 21:55.15 | mgeary | -r-----r-x 1 www-data www-data 2885006 Nov 22 19:16 part_0.mp3 |
| 21:55.59 | mgeary | maybe my sftp client is doing something funky |
| 21:56.22 | mgeary | there. 775-ing the files before transfer makes them happy |
| 21:56.23 | mgeary | weird |
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| 22:53.14 | TuxToaster | I could be wrong, but something seems off with this math: http://cl.ly/2G0s2C400h2W2g3x2y2r |
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| 22:58.14 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: may be a little off ;) |
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| 23:02.43 | macnewbold | its that new math that hard drive manufacturers insist on using |
| 23:03.00 | macnewbold | that's like measuring things in cm instead of inches just to make the number sound more impressive... |
| 23:05.15 | mindjuju | macnewbold is impressive |
| 23:05.51 | macnewbold | especially in cm |
| 23:06.26 | macnewbold | that's what i'll do - measure height in cm, waist size in inches or feet or something |
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| 23:14.04 | Nafai | I prefer height in centimeters |
| 23:14.25 | Nafai | 137 sounds a lot better than 54 or 4.5 |
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| 23:17.28 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: lol |
| 23:18.24 | TuxToaster | My wife would love that idea, since she'd sound taller. 145cm. lol |
| 23:19.45 | Nafai | TuxToaster: Tall women there |
| 23:19.56 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 23:20.04 | mindjuju | ~impress macnewbold with my "disconnecting thumb" trick |
| 23:20.05 | Nafai | I'm being serious. :) |
| 23:20.32 | Nafai | My ex-wife is 147 cm |
| 23:22.12 | mgeary | mindjuju: that trick freaks out my 6-y/o |
| 23:22.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:28.50 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. Add this little feature real quick, or just go home now... |
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| 23:57.31 | beandog | does anyone know of a way to tell postfix to hold all future outgoing messages in a queue? I can only see queue management on ones that already queued |