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| 16:51.47 | carmony | goooooooooood morning! :P |
| 16:52.16 | josephscott | with extra good? |
| 16:54.52 | mindjuju | best of the interwebs : 90's - http://www.webhamster.com/ |
| 16:55.00 | mindjuju | yeah, it's EXACTLY what you think it is |
| 16:56.49 | Monnok | no music accompaniment FTL |
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| 16:57.01 | mindjuju | it has it, but takes a second to load |
| 16:58.00 | beandog | o hai |
| 16:58.13 | mindjuju | sup beandog - http://www.webhamster.com/ |
| 16:58.20 | mindjuju | did the music ever load for you Monnok |
| 16:58.28 | beandog | wow |
| 16:58.30 | beandog | ~curse mindjuju |
| 16:58.30 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, mindjuju ! |
| 16:58.39 | Monnok | 1m is too long internet time, but i pulled it back up in hopes |
| 16:59.25 | josephscott | $lart the hamster |
| 16:59.25 | raifbot | whips out a sword and chops the hamster in half. |
| 16:59.32 | mindjuju | FF never played it right, chrome got it first try |
| 16:59.40 | Monnok | im on chrome |
| 16:59.53 | Monnok | but good thought |
| 17:00.37 | beandog | yay chrome! |
| 17:00.43 | beandog | bringing us the banality of the internet |
| 17:02.54 | mindjuju | you know beandog, hampster dance is the nyah cat of the 90s |
| 17:05.33 | mindjuju | beandog - this takes nyah cat to a WHOLE new level - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuW23sMVWEs |
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| 17:13.11 | josephscott | $lart rainbow poptarts |
| 17:13.12 | raifbot | makes a balloon animal out of rainbow poptarts. |
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| 17:37.52 | mindjuju | i think i'm about ready to give up on Utopia |
| 17:38.36 | herlo | y? |
| 17:39.10 | mindjuju | who knows when they'll be in my neighborhood |
| 17:40.21 | josephscott | I wouldn't count on them expanding much in the near future |
| 17:40.28 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:40.40 | Monnok | you could move... |
| 17:41.48 | ninnypants | mindjuju: are you close enough to provo to get veracity? |
| 17:42.21 | mindjuju | nope |
| 17:42.36 | mindjuju | i live like 1 minute from Toys R Us off unniv parkwy |
| 17:43.13 | mindjuju | $8ball am i going to hate life if i sign up for comcast business? |
| 17:43.13 | raifbot | mindjuju - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 17:43.20 | beandog | comcast business = win |
| 17:43.43 | mindjuju | good times |
| 17:43.45 | ninnypants | but I've read that veracity covers some of orem |
| 17:43.58 | ninnypants | I've heard mixed on comcast business |
| 17:46.27 | Bikerdan | Is a static IP really another 15.00 a month? |
| 17:47.57 | mindjuju | who is that through? |
| 17:48.08 | Bikerdan | Comcast business |
| 17:53.55 | josephscott | it isn't horrible http://www.speedtest.net/result/1604747142.png |
| 17:54.09 | josephscott | I also have home phone service through them |
| 17:54.52 | carmony | My Comcast is pretty darn fast |
| 17:55.04 | carmony | it rarely has problems, but that is just me |
| 17:56.18 | Bikerdan | At least it's not Netzero.... A guy I work with is still using Netzero. |
| 17:56.46 | eggyknap | ouch. |
| 17:56.49 | Bikerdan | Yeah |
| 17:56.53 | Bikerdan | Talk about painful |
| 17:56.53 | carmony | wow |
| 17:56.58 | carmony | didn't know they were still around |
| 17:57.02 | Bikerdan | I think he's borderline crazy. |
| 17:57.16 | Bikerdan | Maybe not borderline.... |
| 17:58.27 | eggyknap | There are other advantages to living in the middle of nowhere, though, that offset the slow internet |
| 17:58.36 | beandog | name one |
| 17:58.39 | Bikerdan | Cows |
| 17:58.42 | beandog | lol |
| 17:58.56 | Bikerdan | Lots of hamburgers |
| 17:58.57 | beandog | there is the fresh air I suppose |
| 17:59.01 | beandog | unless you have cows |
| 17:59.04 | Bikerdan | Just sayin. |
| 17:59.41 | beandog | doesn't aol still have dialup services? |
| 18:02.08 | eggyknap | beandog: sorry, you've gotta live out here to understand :) |
| 18:02.15 | ninnypants | my grandparents still have some sort of dialup |
| 18:02.21 | Bikerdan | I've lived in the boondocks... |
| 18:02.31 | Bikerdan | I know what you're saying |
| 18:03.17 | Bikerdan | We were far enough away that we could go shooting in our back yard. |
| 18:03.19 | Bikerdan | And fishing |
| 18:03.27 | Bikerdan | It was really nice |
| 18:04.33 | Bikerdan | But fire trucks don't arrive quickly when you start forest fires. |
| 18:04.35 | Bikerdan | :( |
| 18:05.39 | beandog | that's weird. they always get here fast when I start forest fires. |
| 18:06.04 | Bikerdan | You're doin it wrong.... |
| 18:06.09 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:06.13 | beandog | there ya go |
| 18:06.17 | beandog | I'll practice on someone's house next |
| 18:18.11 | PoeticIntensity | you can start a forest fire on someone's house? |
| 18:18.51 | Bikerdan | Only if you're name is forest |
| 18:19.34 | eggyknap | Bikerdan: yeah, we regularly blast away at stuff in the back yard. We also try to avoid forest foires |
| 18:19.43 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:19.48 | Bikerdan | Whereabout are you? |
| 18:20.05 | eggyknap | Just south of Fillmore. Kanosh area, specifically |
| 18:20.11 | Bikerdan | Wow.... |
| 18:20.15 | Bikerdan | Way out there. |
| 18:20.18 | Bikerdan | You work from home? |
| 18:20.37 | eggyknap | yup |
| 18:20.44 | eggyknap | Provided DSL works |
| 18:20.59 | Bikerdan | Nice |
| 18:21.17 | eggyknap | My town has all of 8 residents, and 6 are my family. |
| 18:21.26 | Bikerdan | Which came first, the job or the home? |
| 18:21.42 | eggyknap | job. |
| 18:21.51 | eggyknap | If I lose the job, I'm kinda sunk :) |
| 18:21.55 | Bikerdan | So I've thought about doing something like that.... |
| 18:22.03 | Bikerdan | Yeah... That's always been the kicker for me. |
| 18:23.44 | eggyknap | We own ~ 17 acres outright, so if we lost the house and the land it's on, we'd still have ... something. But there's nothing on the land we own (except what will hopefully be a what / oat field next year) and the water rights are part of hte mortgage. |
| 18:24.51 | Bikerdan | Interesting... Don't see that combination computer geek / farmer very often. |
| 18:25.57 | Bikerdan | Any of you guys experienced with VOIP? |
| 18:26.16 | Bikerdan | More of the architecture side. |
| 18:27.34 | Bikerdan | Ok... More specifically, do any of you know what a Session Border Controller (SBC) is? |
| 18:29.07 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I do :-) |
| 18:29.17 | Bikerdan | Sweet! |
| 18:29.24 | Bikerdan | Have you used them? |
| 18:29.26 | jsmith | Bikerdan: (but I'm multi-tasking at the moment, so my answers might have some latency) |
| 18:29.28 | jsmith | Of course |
| 18:29.49 | Bikerdan | To what degree? |
| 18:30.37 | Bikerdan | We're using Asterisk on the backend for call control, recording, monitoring and the like. |
| 18:31.28 | jsmith | OK, so the purpose of an SBC is to sit between your Asterisk system (in this case) and the outside world |
| 18:31.35 | jsmith | SBCs do a number of things, including: |
| 18:31.39 | Bikerdan | We are seeking a solution to basically have 100% call uptime. We would like to be able to re-route RDP traffic to another endpoint in the event of a failed Asterisk server. |
| 18:31.51 | jsmith | 1) Handling authorization of outsides requests |
| 18:32.09 | jsmith | 2) Bandwidth limiting, and in some cases transcoding so that external clients don't use too much bandwidth |
| 18:32.35 | jsmith | 3) (depending on the SBC) load balancing between internal servers |
| 18:37.31 | ninnypants | eggyknap: do you have the satellite internet from out ther? |
| 18:37.46 | Bikerdan | +jsmith: We've been told that SBC's have this capability. |
| 18:38.05 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Well, it's not just about re-routing RTP |
| 18:38.14 | Bikerdan | The SIP too right? |
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| 18:38.25 | jsmith | Bikerdan: You can't just magically re-route RTP to another Asterisk server if the second Asterisk server knows nothing about the call |
| 18:38.44 | Bikerdan | ok... That's what I was thinking. |
| 18:38.54 | jsmith | Bikerdan: If the SBC is smart enough to setup a *new* call on the second Asterisk system and then start sending the RTP there, you'll be fine |
| 18:38.56 | Bikerdan | All of the Asterisk servers need to be aware of the session |
| 18:39.02 | Bikerdan | ok |
| 18:39.04 | jsmith | Bikerdan: That being said, I've never found an SBC that would do that |
| 18:39.15 | jsmith | Bikerdan: You may want to look at Asterisk SCF |
| 18:39.30 | Bikerdan | Isn't that project still in the works? |
| 18:39.35 | jsmith | Bikerdan: It's a new project to build a scalable system that scales across boxes |
| 18:39.40 | jsmith | Yeah, but it's almost ready for beta |
| 18:39.42 | jsmith | :-p |
| 18:39.50 | Bikerdan | Yeah... We need enterprise quality. |
| 18:39.54 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:41.29 | jsmith | Can I ask what exactly you're using Asterisk for? |
| 18:41.31 | jsmith | Recording? |
| 18:41.33 | jsmith | Call queues? |
| 18:41.35 | jsmith | IVR? |
| 18:41.39 | Bikerdan | yep |
| 18:41.47 | Bikerdan | yep |
| 18:41.49 | Bikerdan | and yep |
| 18:41.53 | Bikerdan | Monitoring |
| 18:42.01 | Bikerdan | Outbound as well as inbound. |
| 18:42.13 | Bikerdan | Conferencing / transfering |
| 18:43.12 | jsmith | Yuck, so stuff that can't be easily offloaded to a stateless proxy |
| 18:43.18 | Bikerdan | Nope |
| 18:43.19 | Bikerdan | :( |
| 18:43.37 | jsmith | So, I guess the next thing I'd ask is "What pain points are you trying to avoid?" |
| 18:43.48 | Bikerdan | Basically dropped calls. |
| 18:44.02 | jsmith | "dropped calls" is very vague |
| 18:44.06 | Bikerdan | If a server goes down or something, we would like to be able to continue any active calls |
| 18:44.06 | jsmith | Can you be more specific |
| 18:44.17 | jsmith | Therein lies the rub. |
| 18:44.24 | Bikerdan | True |
| 18:44.27 | jsmith | With the current Asterisk architecture, there's no way to do that |
| 18:44.46 | jsmith | because Asterisk is the endpoint of the call |
| 18:44.57 | Bikerdan | Yeah. We would be willing to entertain going away from Asterisk. |
| 18:44.57 | jsmith | (and that's the problem that Asterisk SCF was built to try to answer) |
| 18:45.39 | jsmith | Well, there aren't a lot of platforms out there that will give you scalability across boxes and still give you all the functionality you're looking for |
| 18:45.55 | jsmith | (especially for the price point) |
| 18:46.12 | jsmith | So I'd seriously look at putting Asterisk SCF between your end clients and Asterisk. |
| 18:46.24 | jsmith | That would at least give you *some* redundancy |
| 18:46.25 | Bikerdan | We've been using Asterisk for years. We're at a point now that we might be able to work around the price point. |
| 18:47.46 | Bikerdan | So far, it sounds like we can't expect more than server failover with our current setup. That doesn't prevent dropped calls, just allows new calls to be placed on the failover server. |
| 18:48.14 | jsmith | Correct |
| 18:48.25 | Bikerdan | Hmmm |
| 18:48.31 | Bikerdan | Not what I wanted to hear. |
| 18:48.36 | jsmith | So that's why I asked you about pain points |
| 18:48.49 | Bikerdan | Do you have any recommendations for other platforms that might get us closer? |
| 18:48.57 | jsmith | you've got to frame it in terms of "This is what we're comfortable with, and this is what we're not comfortable with" |
| 18:49.16 | jsmith | No, not really... Most of my expertise is on Asterisk. I can ask around |
| 18:49.32 | jsmith | How many concurrent calls? |
| 18:49.33 | Bikerdan | ok |
| 18:50.08 | Bikerdan | we're basically getting around 200 concurrent channels (I might not be correct) per server |
| 18:50.16 | Bikerdan | With about 10 servers |
| 18:50.27 | jsmith | OK. |
| 18:50.47 | jsmith | If you're fine with "call drops are OK, but the next call better work", you might want to look at Enswitch |
| 18:50.56 | jsmith | (based on Asterisk plus a lot of other pieces) |
| 18:51.03 | Bikerdan | I actually think we already have a solution that would give us that. |
| 18:51.09 | jsmith | OK |
| 18:51.22 | Bikerdan | I'll check it out though. |
| 18:52.28 | Bikerdan | Is it more of a proxy or stand alone PBX? |
| 18:53.47 | Bikerdan | Is it hosted? |
| 18:53.59 | jsmith | Combination of proxies and PBXes |
| 18:54.08 | jsmith | I think they'll do either hosted or installed |
| 19:14.02 | Bikerdan | +jsmith: Where have you received all of you Asterisk experience? |
| 19:14.18 | Bikerdan | -you +your |
| 19:14.32 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Oh, let's see... I built the first large-scale Asterisk cluster (42 servers, couple million calls per month) |
| 19:14.40 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I co-authored the O'Reilly book on Asterisk |
| 19:15.01 | Bikerdan | Really? |
| 19:15.03 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I taught the Asterisk training for Digium for several years, and lead their training department |
| 19:15.10 | Bikerdan | Nice |
| 19:15.35 | jsmith | And, I won the "Dialplan Rodeo" contest at AstriCon last year... |
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| 19:16.14 | Bikerdan | Well I guess that would do it! |
| 19:16.19 | herlo | lol, nice event! |
| 19:16.29 | Bikerdan | So what are you doing for work right now? |
| 19:17.27 | jsmith | I'm the Fedora Project LEader |
| 19:17.55 | Bikerdan | Well good to meet you. |
| 19:18.09 | jsmith | I'm just an ordinary guy :-) |
| 19:18.14 | Bikerdan | Didn't think I'd find an Asterisk guru on a PHP board. |
| 19:18.21 | Bikerdan | Good. Me too! |
| 19:18.22 | jsmith | Ask any of the folks in here who know me |
| 19:18.41 | jsmith | Well, you know... Linux, Asterisk, PHP, database work -- they all go together somehow :-) |
| 19:18.46 | Bikerdan | Yep |
| 19:18.51 | Bikerdan | Do you ever do consulting? |
| 19:19.02 | jsmith | Yeah, when I have time |
| 19:19.06 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 19:19.16 | Bikerdan | Actually, limh |
| 19:22.24 | Bikerdan | +jsmith: Yeah, let me know if you find out about any SBCs that could accomplish what we're looking for. Or any other solutions for that matter. |
| 19:22.36 | Bikerdan | Feel free to email me directly if you do. |
| 19:22.36 | jsmith | I think you're gonna need more than an SBC :-) |
| 19:22.40 | jsmith | Will do |
| 19:22.45 | Bikerdan | Thx |
| 19:22.45 | jsmith | Send me your email in a pm |
| 19:22.48 | Bikerdan | k |
| 19:23.33 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 20:16.40 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 20:16.40 | raifbot | The quickest way to a man's heart is with Chuck Norris's fist. |
| 20:17.39 | beandog | lol |
| 20:18.11 | ninnypants | I wonder if that fist also goes through the man's stomach |
| 20:21.12 | eggyknap | ninnypants: delayed response. We could get satellite out here, but satellite sucks. So I've not bothered. |
| 20:21.26 | eggyknap | I'm considering switching from DSL to a terrestrial wireless, though. |
| 20:21.30 | ninnypants | eggyknap: good choice and it's over priced |
| 20:22.01 | ninnypants | hmm never heard of terrestrial wireless. They based out of filmore? |
| 20:22.21 | eggyknap | It's called Crystal Peaks, and they do a point-to-point Wifi thing |
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| 20:34.06 | ninnypants | interesting the only place I knew/know that does something like that is DeltaWave |
| 20:35.56 | beandog | I get internet through my tinfoil hat |
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| 20:36.39 | Utah_Dave | Aah, it's nice to be back! |
| 20:36.53 | beandog | Utah_Dave: how was Tibet |
| 20:37.07 | Utah_Dave | chilly |
| 20:37.21 | Utah_Dave | and strikingly resembled San Diego California! |
| 20:38.22 | beandog | I belive it. |
| 20:45.12 | mindjuju | so ninnypants, do you have iprovo where you are? |
| 20:53.26 | mindjuju | ~apb jsmith |
| 20:53.26 | ibot | ACTION hires Tim to find jsmith |
| 20:53.42 | jsmith | mindjuju: Yes?!? |
| 20:54.17 | beandog | oh noes |
| 20:54.23 | beandog | major internet hosting provider outage |
| 20:54.27 | beandog | there goes like 80% of our sites. |
| 20:54.28 | beandog | :C |
| 20:54.35 | beandog | note to self: don't put all your eggs in one basket |
| 20:59.31 | mindjuju | i don't put eggs in baskets |
| 20:59.35 | mindjuju | i prefer the egg carton |
| 21:02.22 | beandog | ~egg mindjuju |
| 21:10.29 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 21:10.29 | raifbot | rm -rf's Nafai. |
| 21:13.56 | skinner | I tried rm -rf /sys/* and now things don't seem to work right.... |
| 21:14.23 | skinner | </silly> |
| 21:20.15 | Monnok | Knew a guy that chown -R'd / to his user, had issues with that |
| 21:22.02 | fungus | Any filesystem modification is a bad idea if applied recursively to / |
| 21:22.27 | fungus | Unless you are trying to cause problems. |
| 21:23.04 | mindjuju | qq - on a linux server, swap should be half the size of available RAM, yes? |
| 21:24.04 | mindjuju | fungus ^^ |
| 21:24.24 | fungus | No |
| 21:24.35 | mindjuju | darn, i just read that out of an article too |
| 21:24.37 | fungus | The old rule used to be twice the total ram |
| 21:24.39 | mindjuju | glad i asked |
| 21:24.44 | mindjuju | yeah, for desktops |
| 21:24.44 | fungus | But that rule doesn't really apply |
| 21:27.16 | mindjuju | so fungus, reading here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq |
| 21:27.39 | mindjuju | it seems to say that if i have space avialble, it should match the amount of RAM available |
| 21:28.29 | fungus | Yeah, that's an absolute minimum if you expect to hibernate, a general minimum if you don't. |
| 21:29.03 | mindjuju | so since i have 10GB just chillin on the server with nothing to do (not allocated in any way), i could just dump it all to swap? |
| 21:29.16 | fungus | imho, Much more than that is unneeded since you should be monitoring your swap and respond before it gets even that far. |
| 21:29.52 | fungus | but that article explains it quite well |
| 21:30.54 | beandog | yah I usually don't put mine at more than 2gb |
| 21:31.14 | beandog | if you're using even that much, you're already in hot water |
| 21:31.33 | mindjuju | i like hot water |
| 21:31.54 | josePHPagoda | mindjuju: depending on isolation between your processes, you may need a lot of swap |
| 21:31.59 | josePHPagoda | but generally that isn't needed like that |
| 21:37.56 | josephscott | 2.5x RAM was common back in the day, especially if you debugging kernel dumps |
| 21:43.42 | josePHPagoda | we've had some customers on our hosting that feel the need to use far more resources than they ask for, in which case, they were tearing into swap like nobody's business, but it only hurt them |
| 21:44.08 | beandog | josePHPagoda: what in the world were they doing |
| 21:45.29 | josePHPagoda | they scaled down from 10 servers to 2 or so, but needed more |
| 21:46.06 | josePHPagoda | they quickly scaled back up |
| 21:46.10 | josePHPagoda | and then were happy |
| 21:46.30 | mindjuju | happy is good |
| 21:46.45 | josePHPagoda | yup |
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| 21:48.38 | ninnypants | mindjuju: yeah I do |
| 21:48.45 | ninnypants | I really like it |
| 21:49.23 | ninnypants | never really had any lag even with the lowest package |
| 21:49.48 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 21:50.07 | mindjuju | i wonder how well covered Provo is |
| 21:50.57 | beandog | man |
| 21:51.08 | beandog | program not removing a temporary config file = a few hours lost time today |
| 21:51.09 | beandog | :C |
| 21:51.24 | beandog | oh well. |
| 21:51.28 | beandog | at least it works now :) |
| 21:51.54 | josephscott | beandog: trying out makemkv on the mac, these files are not small :-) |
| 21:52.11 | beandog | josephscott: on dvds or blurays |
| 21:52.16 | josephscott | dvds |
| 21:52.54 | josephscott | any tips on merging mkv files? I've got on odd dvd where the chapters are spread across 4 tracks, which mkv writes as separate files |
| 21:53.28 | ninnypants | mindjuju: what do you mean well covered? |
| 21:54.08 | beandog | josephscott: across 4 tracks? I doubt that .... |
| 21:54.12 | beandog | josephscott: which movie is it |
| 21:54.18 | beandog | josephscott: and is the title the film or something else |
| 21:54.41 | josephscott | 'The RM' |
| 21:54.43 | beandog | to answer your question though, I don't know anything about merging them together. |
| 21:54.52 | beandog | josephscott: are you ripping the movie or everything |
| 21:54.54 | josephscott | handbrake failed to rip it originally |
| 21:55.07 | josephscott | just the movie, I deselect all the other tracks |
| 21:55.16 | beandog | josephscott: what did handbrake say |
| 21:55.57 | mindjuju | ninnypants - i meant is iProvo covering nearly all of the provo area, does everybody have access to iProvo, or is it like one section of provo (like utopia {grumble grumble}) |
| 21:56.19 | josephscott | don't recall off hand, it was months ago |
| 21:56.27 | beandog | josephscott: hmm. |
| 21:56.36 | beandog | well, indy titles usually throw quirks, because of poor authoring. |
| 21:56.38 | ninnypants | mindjuju: it's all of provo I believe |
| 21:56.38 | josephscott | I wonder if they copied the whole video for different audio tracks |
| 21:56.55 | beandog | josephscott: I've got mine ripped at home, I'm pretty certain. |
| 21:56.56 | mindjuju | i never saw RM, Singles Ward or the other one, can't remember what it's called |
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| 21:57.15 | Monnok | josephscott: ive used VirtualDub before and it worked well |
| 21:57.21 | beandog | mindjuju: you never saw em? they're pretty good |
| 21:57.37 | beandog | I've never used VirtualDub, but I've heard nothing but good things about it |
| 21:57.42 | Monnok | not sure if it was mkv specifically, but it worked |
| 21:57.43 | josephscott | just finished ripping all of the tracks from the DVD, looks like each one might be the full movie |
| 21:57.44 | mindjuju | i did see one called Pride and Prejudice (that was LDS flavored), it was alright |
| 21:57.48 | ninnypants | mindjuju: the city put a ton of money into a city wide fibernetwork but that was several years ago so I'm not sure what it's like now |
| 21:58.01 | beandog | josephscott: yah, dvds have symlinks, for lack of a better word. |
| 21:58.10 | beandog | I can't remember what they are called. |
| 21:58.21 | mindjuju | funny you s ay that ninnypants, i felt we did the same, but it has yet to materialize outside of the northeast section of orem |
| 21:58.36 | mindjuju | frustrating that we all pay tax for it and all equally on the hook for it |
| 21:58.39 | josephscott | nope, each one is a separate part of the movie, looks hacky |
| 21:58.50 | beandog | josephscott: really? Okay, that is a mess then. |
| 21:59.02 | beandog | You could PROBABLY dump it using mplayer |
| 21:59.06 | beandog | maybe, maybe. |
| 21:59.08 | beandog | I wouldn't count on it. |
| 21:59.38 | beandog | josephscott: it's probably not worth your time |
| 22:00.00 | josephscott | may see about checking it out from the library (if they have it), perhaps a different edition dvd will be less jacked up |
| 22:00.07 | beandog | try handbrake again, w/o dvdnav |
| 22:00.14 | josephscott | yep, setting it aside, will figure something out later |
| 22:00.32 | mindjuju | beandog, would a different DVD-ROM make a difference? |
| 22:00.38 | josephscott | the box does say "special edition" :-) |
| 22:00.55 | beandog | mindjuju: huh? If its a different pressing, yah |
| 22:01.04 | mindjuju | somebody told me something once about LG DVDrom being good about no zones or something |
| 22:01.06 | mindjuju | i forget |
| 22:01.11 | mindjuju | maybe it was you that said it |
| 22:01.40 | beandog | mindjuju: oh |
| 22:01.44 | beandog | that's a different area. |
| 22:01.48 | beandog | there's badly burned dvds |
| 22:01.56 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:01.56 | beandog | and then there's read issues from the drive |
| 22:02.12 | beandog | like there are some that the authors just break the specification so badly, it's a miracle it plays in any player |
| 22:02.23 | mindjuju | i just cheated on that BoM vid i was trying to rip and used the analog hole to get it |
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| 22:02.37 | beandog | analog hole ftw |
| 22:02.39 | mindjuju | i'm ok it not being in DVD uber high quality blah blah |
| 22:02.46 | beandog | thats never going away, thank goodness. |
| 22:02.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:03.37 | beandog | josephscott: if you dump it to mpeg, you can just cat those together. |
| 22:03.39 | fungus | beandog, until they put HDCP into our brains, and pipe the content directly in |
| 22:03.41 | beandog | that'd work just fine |
| 22:04.07 | beandog | fungus: I welcome a direct visual interface to watch movies |
| 22:04.18 | fungus | But as long as we use our eyes and ears, the analog hole will never be closed. |
| 22:04.49 | fungus | Imagine what moves could be like if experienced directly to the brain. Awesome. |
| 22:05.04 | fungus | movies* |
| 22:05.10 | mindjuju | fungus has never seen brainstorm |
| 22:05.23 | beandog | stderr-: your kid is cute. that is all. |
| 22:05.35 | mindjuju | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085271/ |
| 22:07.02 | stderr- | beandog: danke |
| 22:07.03 | josePHPagoda | fungus: look at some of the recent movies |
| 22:07.11 | josePHPagoda | they are being encrypted analogly |
| 22:07.13 | josePHPagoda | like |
| 22:07.18 | fungus | mindjuju, not that one, but Strange Days was close. |
| 22:07.27 | josePHPagoda | the new "The day the earth stood still" |
| 22:07.36 | josePHPagoda | that's why most of us couldn't understand it |
| 22:07.42 | josePHPagoda | and it all looked horrible and sounded horrible |
| 22:07.53 | mindjuju | i never saw strange days, but brainstorm was about recording and playback of brainwaves |
| 22:07.56 | mindjuju | WAY cool movie |
| 22:09.11 | fungus | interesting. Strange Days is similar, and was written by James Cameron and directed by his Oscar winner ex-wife Kathryn Bigelow |
| 22:10.17 | mindjuju | oh i saw part of that one |
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| 22:19.06 | beandog | did anyone else get skyrim? |
| 22:24.12 | beandog | heh |
| 22:24.20 | fungus | Love it!! |
| 22:24.24 | beandog | we should have a skyrim party, where we play all day and ignore the world. |
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| 22:24.38 | fungus | Played 16 hours straight on Saturday |
| 22:24.39 | beandog | fungus: what level are you |
| 22:24.42 | beandog | lol |
| 22:24.43 | beandog | nice. |
| 22:24.50 | fungus | lvl 24 |
| 22:24.53 | beandog | I got mine last week, just in time for thanksgiving holiday |
| 22:25.00 | beandog | fungus: nice. I'm pushing to get to 20 |
| 22:26.29 | mindjuju | i built a swanky ole house in minecraft :p |
| 22:27.55 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:28.02 | Bikerdan | Swanky eh.... |
| 22:28.14 | Bikerdan | On the server? |
| 22:28.19 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:28.40 | Bikerdan | We need that map tool... so I can see everything easier... |
| 22:28.57 | mindjuju | i looked up bukkit, i hope it comes out soon for 1.0.0 |
| 22:29.02 | Bikerdan | My sky castle is coming along... |
| 22:29.11 | Bikerdan | Have you seen it? |
| 22:29.17 | Bikerdan | It's got a pool |
| 22:29.20 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:29.20 | mindjuju | nope, where is it at? |
| 22:29.41 | Bikerdan | I'd have to find the coords for ya... |
| 22:29.45 | Bikerdan | hold on.... |
| 22:30.19 | mindjuju | oh i see coord now for you |
| 22:30.29 | mindjuju | -82, 106, 7 |
| 22:30.30 | Bikerdan | x: -82 |
| 22:30.32 | Bikerdan | yeah |
| 22:31.02 | Bikerdan | Nice |
| 22:31.19 | mindjuju | those connect issues, them's are Notch's, the rest, that was our server :( |
| 22:31.23 | Bikerdan | Are you on right now? |
| 22:31.24 | mindjuju | hopefully they are resolved now |
| 22:31.29 | mindjuju | logged into the server |
| 22:31.34 | Bikerdan | I'm not... |
| 22:31.36 | Bikerdan | :( |
| 22:31.51 | mindjuju | so i can see the logs, but not playing through the client |
| 22:31.56 | Bikerdan | You should check out my castle though. |
| 22:32.00 | Bikerdan | ah |
| 22:32.04 | mindjuju | it gives a certain level of pluasible denability |
| 22:32.16 | Bikerdan | limh |
| 22:34.09 | Bikerdan | jsmith... You there? |
| 22:40.29 | josephscott | beandog: my original comment, the captain america dvd mkv is 5.6GB, just for the movie |
| 22:40.52 | beandog | josephscott: yah |
| 22:40.57 | beandog | how big did you think they'd be? |
| 22:42.40 | josephscott | well, bigger than what I had before, but wasn't sure what the storage ratio would look like |
| 22:43.14 | josephscott | that movie is just about 2 hours, so 2.8GB per hour is roughly what I need to plan for it sounds like |
| 22:49.28 | beandog | no |
| 22:49.34 | beandog | you won't find a consistent size. |
| 22:49.42 | beandog | they'll cap at 6 gbs |
| 22:49.51 | beandog | but some movies will be 1.5 gigs |
| 22:49.56 | beandog | any range, really |
| 22:50.22 | beandog | depends on quality, length, if it's sharing the disc with a fullscreen/widescreen combo, etc, etc |
| 22:51.11 | josephscott | good to know, thanks |
| 22:52.19 | Utah_Dave | so stderr- what's your review of Battlefield 3? |
| 22:53.29 | beandog | josephscott: how many dvds are you planning to rip |
| 22:54.08 | josephscott | near 200 |
| 22:54.45 | beandog | yeeks |
| 22:55.04 | beandog | If my ripper was in distributable form, I'd send it your way |
| 22:57.06 | beandog | it makes the whole process so simple |
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| 22:58.44 | beandog | :D |
| 22:58.44 | mindjuju | sadly i gave all my spare DVDroms to beandog |
| 22:58.45 | beandog | that's my dream |
| 22:58.59 | beandog | get a BD ROM |
| 22:59.03 | beandog | those things are zippy |
| 23:02.23 | mindjuju | actually josephscott, i think i have 1 spare DVDrom if you want it |
| 23:02.33 | mindjuju | if you're going to build a ripper array |
| 23:02.53 | josephscott | haha, wasn't planning on building an array just to rip |
| 23:04.31 | mindjuju | 200 movies (average 2hrs) takes just over one hour to process puts this at 200hrs and an average of 2 hours a night is 100 days until completion |
| 23:05.07 | beandog | yarr |
| 23:05.24 | mindjuju | on my i7, processing was WAY faster |
| 23:05.43 | mindjuju | i wonder how fast it is on a Mac? |
| 23:05.56 | beandog | depends on the proc |
| 23:07.30 | josephscott | HP could have sent that money to me, I could have saved them a lot of time : http://allthingsd.com/20111121/double-facepalm-hp-blew-3-3-billion-on-webos/ |
| 23:12.46 | mindjuju | this is painful to watch, especially for like fungus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_vrJ83dEec4 |
| 23:13.25 | fungus | yikes |
| 23:13.30 | mindjuju | 100% no rickroll, no rebecca guarantee |
| 23:13.50 | mindjuju | i know, didn't you just cringe? |
| 23:14.34 | beandog | shouldnt this be done in a lab |
| 23:15.06 | beandog | lol |
| 23:15.09 | beandog | I love the oohs from the girls |
| 23:15.13 | beandog | impress a girl. drop an ipad. |
| 23:15.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:19.47 | fungus | Wow, I really love the new upstart systems, never have to write a big-ass init script again. |
| 23:20.20 | fungus | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/index.html |
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| 23:24.38 | beandog | man, my brain is already on holiday |
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| 23:25.12 | beandog | fungus: whut. how does it work? "event driven"? |
| 23:25.18 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:25.18 | raifbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at TuxToaster. |
| 23:25.22 | TuxToaster | doh |
| 23:25.26 | beandog | lol |
| 23:26.14 | fungus | beandog, the events can be runlevels, other services, or events generated by other processes, eg battery dying |
| 23:26.25 | beandog | oh, okay |
| 23:26.39 | fungus | Right now, it's a fantastic replacement for init.d/ |
| 23:28.04 | fungus | anyone who's ever had to write an init script, or even copy an existing one to modify for their own process will appreciate it. |
| 23:30.03 | beandog | Yah, that part, I'm not following |
| 23:30.07 | beandog | I still have to start them up |
| 23:30.14 | beandog | or do you mean events like a PID dying |
| 23:31.09 | fungus | The event part is one way your process can be started. |
| 23:31.12 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I am now... what's up? |
| 23:31.24 | fungus | Generally your process will start on boot |
| 23:31.29 | fungus | which is an "event" |
| 23:31.37 | Bikerdan | Hey! I was wondering if you knew anything about redfone |
| 23:32.20 | jsmith | Bikerdan: Sure, are they still in business? |
| 23:32.26 | Bikerdan | Yeah. |
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| 23:32.29 | Bikerdan | Looks like it. |
| 23:32.33 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I'm assuming that you're talking about their TDMoE solutions |
| 23:32.37 | Bikerdan | Yeah |
| 23:32.48 | beandog | fungus: well yah but what about dependencies |
| 23:32.49 | jsmith | So, yeah... been there, done that... still have the scars. |
| 23:32.52 | beandog | like network > ssh |
| 23:32.55 | Bikerdan | bad? |
| 23:32.58 | jsmith | Bikerdan: I'll fill you in on the details in pm |
| 23:33.02 | Bikerdan | k |
| 23:33.21 | fungus | it can do that too. Eg. networking emits an event that it started. ssh starts on that event. |
| 23:33.23 | beandog | or fsck, db |
| 23:33.29 | beandog | how are they emitting events? |
| 23:33.32 | beandog | dbus? |
| 23:33.40 | beandog | or |
| 23:33.40 | mindjuju | hey! watch your language beandog! |
| 23:33.40 | fungus | anyway you need to |
| 23:33.44 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 23:33.45 | beandog | I think I'm missing something simple. |
| 23:33.57 | fungus | in the init config itself, or using libupstart |
| 23:34.01 | beandog | probably events. |
| 23:34.05 | beandog | oh well |
| 23:34.10 | beandog | gentoo uses a .. different init system |
| 23:34.22 | jsmith | Yay for new and ifferent init systems! |
| 23:34.22 | beandog | I'm not really sure if we use sysv or not |
| 23:34.24 | fungus | yeah, I know |
| 23:34.26 | fungus | It sucks |
| 23:34.29 | fungus | :) |
| 23:34.32 | beandog | heh |
| 23:34.44 | beandog | just for that, I'm not inviting you to my skyrim party |
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| 23:35.10 | fungus | Gentoo always pissed me off about that. I needed to restart networking, and half of my services had to restart due to dependencies. |
| 23:35.56 | beandog | oh, *that* |
| 23:36.01 | fungus | lol |
| 23:36.09 | beandog | yah I don't know if it still does that. |
| 23:36.16 | fungus | systemd sounds really interesting too though |
| 23:36.18 | beandog | I know you can turn that off somewhere. |
| 23:36.19 | beandog | or on |
| 23:36.24 | beandog | I don't ever use it anyway |
| 23:36.24 | fungus | But I have Upstart now in Ubuntu |
| 23:36.42 | beandog | it'd be easier to bring it down manually, zap it, then start it back up |
| 23:37.09 | fungus | beandog, yeah, that's not what I should have to do. |
| 23:37.15 | beandog | fungus: oh, I agree. |
| 23:37.25 | beandog | I don't know if that still does that or not, I'm saying |
| 23:37.36 | beandog | er, actually I wasn't saying that. |
| 23:37.39 | beandog | meh |
| 23:37.46 | fungus | Well I gave up on gentoo a few years back, and haven't looked back |
| 23:37.57 | beandog | gentoo always looks back at you |
| 23:38.27 | fungus | limh |
| 23:38.36 | Utah_Dave | if it's not busy recompiling |
| 23:38.52 | beandog | oh you guys |
| 23:38.58 | beandog | don't be hatin |
| 23:39.58 | Bikerdan | I'm just waitin for Genthree |
| 23:40.00 | Bikerdan | Can't wait |
| 23:40.09 | stderr- | fungus: "laughing in my head"? |
| 23:40.14 | fungus | yeah |
| 23:40.21 | stderr- | got it. |
| 23:40.33 | Bikerdan | Tough croud... |
| 23:40.57 | mindjuju | i didn't say anything because I wasn't sure if you were serious, genthree, for reals? |
| 23:41.03 | Bikerdan | limh |
| 23:41.17 | Bikerdan | I know... lame... but I had to. |
| 23:41.44 | fungus | ok, more gentoo hate. etc-update? really? wtf? |
| 23:42.13 | fungus | genkernel?? grr. |
| 23:44.07 | stderr- | Gentoo's still a thing? |
| 23:44.22 | fungus | for about 4 or 5 people. yeah |
| 23:44.24 | fungus | ;) |
| 23:45.00 | stderr- | I thought all those kids graduated high school. |
| 23:45.06 | mindjuju | ah dag! |
| 23:45.23 | stderr- | I keed, I keed. |
| 23:50.21 | stderr- | man, can't believe I missed Crossroads of the West because I was sick |
| 23:51.01 | beandog | whut |
| 23:51.07 | beandog | I like gentoo |
| 23:52.32 | beandog | fungus: dispatch-conf is much better. it keeps a revision of changes |
| 23:52.40 | beandog | fungus: and don't use genkernel |
| 23:52.44 | beandog | it's for noobs |
| 23:52.48 | beandog | are you a noob? |
| 23:53.01 | beandog | *can keep a revision |
| 23:53.03 | fungus | hah, so I have to do even *more* work just to upgrade to a new kernel? |
| 23:53.22 | beandog | I just do zcat /proc/config.gz > .config; make oldconfig; make |
| 23:53.54 | fungus | what about the install? |
| 23:54.03 | beandog | you can use a kernel seed |
| 23:54.36 | fungus | I got you beat by a mile. apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:54.43 | beandog | http://62.3.120.141/~pappy/ |
| 23:55.34 | stderr- | well let's not pretend that dist-upgrade doesn't have its own warts, fungi |
| 23:55.42 | fungus | hehe, it does. |
| 23:55.53 | mindjuju | what warts? |
| 23:56.19 | fungus | beandog, I'd like to see ya do that on 50-60 machines. |
| 23:56.49 | fungus | w/o a trip to the psychiatrist |
| 23:57.09 | fungus | ~taunt beandog |
| 23:57.09 | ibot | ACTION taunts beandog a second time |
| 23:57.15 | herlo | fungus: just use salt |
| 23:57.45 | beandog | I could use clusterssh |
| 23:58.39 | fungus | heh, sounds like a colossal waste of CPU resources. |
