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16:08.33mindjuju~summon eggyknap
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16:09.14mindjujuhmm, not quite the right honorific i was looking for
16:14.00eggyknapheh
16:14.20mindjujusup eggyknap, i'll work on an appropriate guru summons for next time
16:14.37mindjujuso, if you have a minute, i want to talk about sql server stress testing
16:14.50mindjujunow, i know you probably just threw up in your mouth
16:14.53mindjujuand i'm sorry for that
16:15.12mindjujubut can you speak a moment on what you do to stress test server installs?
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16:22.34eggyknapI wish I had a decent answer. Generally it depends on the intended server's users having some sort of repeatable test scenario -- but unfortunately none ever does.
16:22.49eggyknapPostgres has benchmarking utilities you can run; presumably SQL Server has something similar
16:23.01eggyknap(sry for the delayed response... I'm dealing with kids)
16:23.41mindjujufunny you say that, i was just over at the devs asking them how long it would take to build a modified app over their most demanding application
16:24.00mindjujuone that would just loop over and over again simulating a complete transaction
16:24.12mindjujuarguing that would be more effective than just some generic load tester
16:24.25mindjujuso at least i know i'm on the right track
16:25.03eggyknapIt always would, at least for a database. Workloads vary so much that there's really no good way of testing with a generic tester
16:25.19mindjujuwhat good does it do to run a select in a loop 1000x when we're doing updates and table views?
16:25.42mindjujuk, i'll push on them to mod an actual app
16:25.45mindjujuthx for the info!
16:26.26eggyknapEnjoy...
16:32.01*** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> UPHPU | Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org | Meeting Tomorrow! josePHPagoda about Pagoda platform, 7pm @c7 bluffdale
16:38.20Bikerdan_Are there going to be multiple servers accessing the same DBs?
16:38.42Bikerdan_Basically, should you make sure to run multiple instances at the same time?
16:39.06Bikerdan_If the app is too slow to simulate concurrent usage, you might run into a problem when you go live...
16:39.11Bikerdan_Just a thought.
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16:40.11carmonyI need to write a PHP app to life weights for me... somehow...
16:41.35Monnoki am too lazy to figure that out; i just go twice weekly to Gold's with my wife
16:42.13mindjujuBikerdan_ , yup i hope that once the devs write me something to run it concurrently with other instances doing the same thing
16:43.27TuxToastercarmony: get an Aurdino, a couple of motors, some pulleys, and there you have it
16:44.07mindjujuso i was watching a little MTV the other day to see beavis and buthead, and I saw a commercial for snap on feathers for girl's hair
16:44.18mindjujuare they really buying feathers for $20 ?
16:44.58TuxToasterpeople will buy some really stupid stuff from those commercials for $20
16:45.16TuxToaster"But wait, there's more!"
16:45.38Monnokyes they do. $20 should either get at least 5 feathers, or 1 "installed" (cant think of the normal-people term)
16:45.50mindjujuthat's funny
16:45.57mindjujufeathers in hair, who would have thought?
16:46.12Monnokthe native-americans
16:46.41mindjujuand boy scouts, which brings me to my next point
16:46.55mindjujudon't they know you can buy this stuff in bulk at Michaels or hobby lobby?
16:47.01mindjujulike a huge bag for $10
16:47.36carmonylol, don't get me on boy scouts :P
16:48.10MonnokPeople buy brand-names, even though they arent any better quality, sometimes worse *cough* macs *cough*
16:48.26carmonyhey now, I really like the way my Mac is built :P
16:48.49MonnokI had a mac i really liked. Even put Ubuntu on it
16:49.14TuxToasterI installed Arch Linux on the mac I used at my last job
16:49.40TuxToasterthe hardware is still over-priced, but it's usually good quality.
16:49.52Monnokthats actually my point, TuxToaster
16:50.08MonnokGood stuff, but overpriced
16:50.17TuxToasterfor me the big seller is the battery life. I got my MBP specifically because I was travellling a lot and needed the 10 hours of portability out of it
16:50.23MonnokTho nobody made the computer sexy till Jobs
16:50.50josephnexusi really like my system76 box
16:50.52josephnexus:-D
16:50.55TuxToasterlol
16:50.56josephnexuswell, laptop
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16:52.01MonnokValid point, Tux. My lappy doesnt get more than just over an hour, but i dont travel much
16:52.39TuxToasteryeah, I don't now, but still like the fact that I don't have to immediately plug it in
16:52.51Monnokwould be nice
16:53.12mindjujui still get about 4hrs on my vaio
16:53.49TuxToasteryeah, others are catching up, I want to say HP had one last year that was rated at 6hrs
16:54.07Monnoksupposedly, i can get 4-6 hours on this puppy, but i think my linux doesnt do power-savings mode like it should
16:55.03Monnokand the windows partition doesnt have anything but games, and i dont want power-savings mode if im playing those
16:55.50TuxToasterdepending on how heavy I'm using it and screen brightness, etc. I still get 6-7 hours. If I turn things like bluetooth off and keep it at the lowest brightness I can get 10 pretty easily.
16:56.06Monnokthats awesome
16:56.19TuxToasterMonnok: what, you don't want it to go to sleep in the middle of a game? what fun is that?
16:56.38Monnokor run without the video card enabled
16:56.42Monnokhehe
16:56.45TuxToasterlol
16:59.57mindjuju~hehestats
17:00.15mindjujuhehe should be routed into lolstats
17:00.40mgearyi disagree
17:00.46mgearyi see a fundamental difference
17:00.55mindjujuyeah?
17:02.00mgearythe always-annoying LOL suggests that the writer actually laughed out loud (though in fact, i suspect this almost NEVER really happens). Writing "hehe" or the like is an acknowledgement that something is worth a small (written) chuckle, but doesn't have that lame over-exuberance of saying, "oh my gosh, i just totally laughed out loud!"
17:02.41Monnok"hehe" means that to me too, but breaks the monotony of lol
17:03.20Monnokso imma side with mindjuju on this
17:03.21utahconha
17:03.40mgearyand did you, in fact, laugh out loud?
17:03.59mgearyor are you suggesting that LOL should now mean, "well, i didn't really laugh out loud, but let's pretend i did" ?
17:04.05Monnoki dont laugh out loud at either one of those
17:04.27Monnoki feel lol means "i found that amusing"
17:04.29utahconI lol whenever I see Monnok's face
17:04.33TuxToasteragreed
17:04.43mindjujuoh man
17:04.45Monnokif i mean lol literally, i'll say lol irl
17:05.01mgearyyou're welcome to do what you want, but that kind of defeats the point of LOL
17:05.03mindjujuutahcon lookin for a fight!
17:05.25Monnokthe meaning has degraded over the years
17:05.42utahconmindjuju: only with Monnok
17:06.00TuxToasterif all acronyms were literal, I'd love to see the ROFLcopter. Just sayin.
17:06.11Monnokutahcon is jealous
17:06.17utahconof?
17:06.22Monnokme
17:06.26utahconhardly
17:06.29utahcon:D
17:06.30mgearywhich is why you'll never see me writing LOL, ROFL, or ROFLMAO. I think they're idiotic
17:06.41mgeary:D
17:06.44MonnokIf nothing else, ive seen your Gears 3 scores :p
17:06.45TuxToaster~lolstats mgeary
17:06.45ibotmgeary has said lol 1 times (0.0 %), ranked 65/99 (percentile: 65.7 %)
17:06.45mgearyjus tsaying
17:06.48TuxToasterha!
17:06.56TuxToasterwas pretty sure you said it once. :P
17:07.08utahconMonnok: passed your high on Beast on Old Town last night fool!
17:07.21Monnokwhich i played once, months ago
17:07.24Bikerdan_lol
17:07.26utahconerr.. your low since it is a time thing
17:07.34Bikerdan_jk
17:07.39TuxToastermgeary: but the question is, when you said it, did *you* laugh out loud (for the sake of science) ?
17:07.42Bikerdan_It was really more like a :)
17:07.45utahconI challenge you to a ticker-off!
17:07.52Bikerdan_Don't!
17:08.06Monnoki beat Dave's horde score on a few maps, actually
17:08.08Bikerdan_Don't tick'er off!  She can be mean!
17:08.10mindjuju~lolstats mindjuju
17:08.10ibotmindjuju has said lol 5 times (0.2 %), ranked 31/100 (percentile: 31.0 %)
17:08.24TuxToaster$rlart
17:08.24raifbotwielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot.
17:08.27Bikerdan_~lolstats Bikerdan_
17:08.27ibotBikerdan_ has said lol 1 times (0.0 %), ranked 59/100 (percentile: 59.0 %)
17:08.31mindjujui remain pretty stoic whilst on IRC
17:08.31utahconMonnok: did you get into the new dashboard beta?
17:08.42utahconnot that you can legally talk about being in it if you are
17:09.29Monnokheh, no. I dont have time to be on xbox that much to even care
17:09.33mgearyTuxToaster: no. if i recall correctly, it was something about whether the stats detector scanned the entire string for LOL, or only took it either at the beginning of the string, or as a solo string
17:10.29TuxToasteryup, it was. Just giving you a hard time over it.
17:10.44mgeary:)
17:10.44Monnokmgeary: you've totally ruined lol for me
17:10.51mgearyawesome
17:10.54utahconlol @ Monnok
17:10.56Monnoki cant use it without feeling shame
17:11.00Bikerdan_No you didn't
17:11.08Monnoklike i know im lying to the people i say it to
17:11.08Bikerdan_lol makes us all liars
17:11.17Monnokor your face
17:11.21TuxToasternow when Monnok goes to say lol he'll look sad and sit there quietly
17:11.22mindjujuMonnok, don't ask mgeary about vinegar
17:11.29mindjujurun away now!
17:11.39Bikerdan_Just use lq
17:11.49Bikerdan_laughed quitely
17:11.55Bikerdan_Then you won't need to lie
17:12.03utahconil
17:12.07utahconinternal laugh
17:12.20Bikerdan_limy
17:12.24Bikerdan_laughed in my head
17:12.25Monnokid ls (laughed silently) but itd be taken wrong, considering the  audience
17:12.48Bikerdan_ls -al
17:13.22Bikerdan_ijlqtms
17:13.35Bikerdan_I just laughed quietly to myself
17:13.46TuxToasterheh
17:14.00Bikerdan_limy
17:14.15Bikerdan_limh
17:14.16Bikerdan_doh
17:14.18utahconls -al = laughed silently, all alone
17:14.20Bikerdan_Already screwed it up
17:15.00Bikerdan_is the dash to signify that you were NOT all alone?
17:15.17utahconit was a parameter to the ls
17:15.26Bikerdan_or would that be ls !al
17:15.50Bikerdan_hmmm... can you really laugh silently?
17:16.05Monnoklike i said, "amused" works for me
17:16.26Bikerdan_tmt
17:16.34utahconI thnik that brings limh to the front then
17:16.46Bikerdan_limh
17:18.13TuxToaster~limh
17:18.33Bikerdan_What's the tilde for?
17:18.39Monnok~limh stats
17:18.41TuxToaster~ibot
17:18.41ibotIt's me
17:18.43Bikerdan_ahhh
17:19.44Monnokoh good
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18:02.09mindjujudarn
18:03.26mindjujumaybe this is more ofa plug question any way
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18:05.54fungusmindjuju, you rang? </lurch>
18:06.15mindjujuoh hey, i thought i would send it to PLUG, but if you've got a moment, i got a weird question
18:06.20mindjujuas if any of my questions were normal
18:06.27mindjujulet's just say, this one is weird-ER
18:06.44mindjujuk, i have a dell pe 1950, created 2 sysadmins ago
18:07.05mindjujuthe dell pe 1950 has 2 spots for SATA drives
18:07.19mindjujunow on the motherboard, towards the back of the server, there is a SATA port
18:08.07mindjujuso, what he did was put Intel SSD 710 (runs on 5v 1a) and plugged it into that back SATA port
18:08.20mindjujuand he powered it via a USB 2.0 cable
18:08.45mindjujui've never seen this kind of USB -> SATA power cable before
18:08.58mindjujuwhat's worse, i can't seem to find one to buy so i can make another like it
18:09.09mindjujuis this a backoffice soldering job?
18:09.50mindjujuthings like this get close
18:09.51mindjujuhttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7220658&CatId=3770
18:10.25mindjujubut i don't need it to be fitted into a huge ole molex, i just need USB to SATA power, i have a sata socket i want to connect to with justa simple SATA cable
18:10.28fungusInstead of re-creating a bad hack job, shouldn't you try to solve the problem in a better way?
18:10.35Bikerdan_Maybe this?  http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10315&cs_id=1031501&p_id=5189&seq=1&format=2
18:11.28HeartsbaneBikerdan_: ya that is what I was going to suggest
18:11.47mindjujuthat gets me pretty close
18:11.49fungusmindjuju, for production it's usually better to spend a bit more, for a real solution
18:12.24Bikerdan_New server....
18:12.26Bikerdan_:)
18:12.40fungus1950's are getting a bit long in the tooth for sure
18:14.45Bikerdan_Are you basically trying to power the drive?
18:14.56Bikerdan_And keep the data connection?
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18:15.45mindjujuBikerdan_ exactly
18:16.01mindjujui'd rather use the SATA for data transfer than USB, USB should only be for power
18:16.14mindjuju@fungus, not sure if i've got budget for new server
18:16.16mindjuju:(
18:16.23josephnexusmindjuju, what type of server do you need?
18:16.49josephnexuswhat's it's role?
18:16.55Bikerdan_So why not use molex to sata?
18:17.17mindjujujosephnexus, role is DB
18:17.29mindjujumolex to SATA, i looked at the schematics for this PE
18:17.29josephnexusi've got a box I might be able to give ya on the cheap
18:17.41josephnexusit's got 6 SAS 15k drives
18:17.54mindjujuthere is only 1 molex and it goes to the backplate
18:17.55josephnexusbut i'm unsure on the capacity
18:18.05josephnexusdual power supplies and what not
18:18.07Bikerdan_Could you split the molex?
18:18.29mindjujui thought about it Bikerdan_
18:21.12Bikerdan_There is also this....  http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10226&cs_id=1022607&p_id=8494&seq=1&format=2
18:25.13Bikerdan_Is the port on the motherboard a standard sata or esata?
18:25.35mindjujuSATA
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18:26.29unumanyone here use jquery ui tabs
18:26.41Bikerdan_I have some.
18:26.58unumso I'm using it in ajax mode recursively
18:27.18mindjujuBikerdan_ ?
18:27.23unumrecursive may not be the right word
18:27.34Bikerdan_I have used it some.
18:27.46unumbut I have it layer so I'm using tabs on the page that is being tab to
18:28.04unumand it doesn't seem to be calling up the on load event on the second tab
18:28.05Bikerdan_Tabs within tabs?
18:28.08unumya
18:28.12unumthat's what I mean
18:28.31Bikerdan_Are the ids unique?
18:29.10unumya
18:29.16Bikerdan_@mindjuju:  I think I'd split the molex and adapt to sata.
18:30.01unumI think I found it now
18:30.09unumthanks for your hel
18:30.10unump
18:30.15Bikerdan_np
18:30.52Bikerdan_@mindjuju: Another option is to put the drive in an external esata enclosure with a wall wart for power, and convert esata to sata with a cable.
18:31.31Bikerdan_http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1CHHQ_enUS401US401&q=esata+to+sata&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2566737722980292408&sa=X&ei=HAHETuKdMoGviQKX58n4Cw&ved=0CDoQ8wIwAA
18:32.11Bikerdan_Or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119021
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18:33.47Bikerdan_What was the problem unum?
18:42.42brastoHey guys, I have a question about mixing additive color (light colors).  Let's say I mix plain ol' red (ff0000) with plain ol' blue (0000ff).  I get Magenta (ff00ff).  But lets say I mix a couple red values with other colors, like maybe 150,22,33.  Red can't add up to above 255, which it would in that case, but green can go to 44 and blue can go to 66.  So does the mixed color go to 255,44,66, or does something else entirely happen?  I was
18:43.06brastohey, where's wps?  I was going to /me looks at wps, but he's not here...
18:43.47SunSparc~seen wps
18:43.57ibotwps <~wps@wfw.apxalarm.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6d 21h 35m 59s ago, saying: ':)'.
18:44.21SunSparcLooks like he has been awol for a while.
18:44.37SunSparcOk, it is funny video time.
18:44.39SunSparcShe likes 'em crunchy!  http://ping.fm/w4bJb
18:46.10mindjuju@brasto - http://www.csgnetwork.com/hexaddsubcalc.html ?
18:46.20mindjujuSunSparc, that funny, but i didn't lol
18:46.33mindjuju~lolstats mindjuju
18:46.33ibotmindjuju has said lol 5 times (0.2 %), ranked 31/100 (percentile: 31.0 %)
18:46.37mindjujuoh good
18:46.39mindjujuno change
18:50.48Bikerdan_So what are you going to do @mindjuju?
18:50.59Bikerdan_About the sata power
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18:55.32mindjujuBikerdan_  i'm going to do what any sysadmin would do
18:55.53mindjujusick my padawon on finding options whilst i install the OS and munch on a little lunch
18:55.59mindjuju;)
18:56.03josePHPagodalol
18:56.28mindjujuoh and listen to 8bit christmas, i love this music
18:56.34mindjujuhttp://rushcoil.bandcamp.com/album/8-bit-christmas
18:56.39mindjujureminds me of nintendo
18:57.09josePHPagodathat it does
18:59.04mindjujudid that calc work for you brasto?
18:59.35mindjujui think the answer to your question is that you can only have 100% color saturation, i don't think you can go 110% red
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19:04.09Bikerdan_@mindjuju:  Sounds like the best option.
19:05.30Bikerdan_I like #3 of the 8-bit christmas... Makes me think of Dragon warrior...
19:06.15Bikerdan_And #5
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19:08.51SunSparcmindjuju: what?! You did not lol at the video?
19:08.53SunSparcHmm....
19:09.19mindjujuSunSparc, did you see the convo about the reality of lol?
19:09.24ninnypantsAnyone else watch the SOPA hearing?
19:09.40SunSparcmindjuju: Nope, missed that.  Sounds entertaining though.
19:11.44mindjujuSunSparc, go here
19:11.45mindjujuhttp://pastebin.com/trcZr12h
19:12.03mindjujulook on line 8, Monnok starts it with the hehe
19:13.01mindjujuit's really funny
19:13.33mindjujuBikerdan_ did you notice that song 6, O Christmas Tree sounds exactly like original megaman?
19:13.37mindjujuso cool
19:13.49Bikerdan_:)
19:14.16Bikerdan_LOL
19:14.18Bikerdan_Not really....
19:14.23Bikerdan_limh!!!!!
19:14.34mindjuju:)
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19:15.31mindjujuholy smokes!  Song 7 sounds just like metroid!
19:15.52mindjujuPoeticIntensity - http://rushcoil.bandcamp.com/album/8-bit-christmas
19:16.06Bikerdan_:)
19:16.08Bikerdan_It does!
19:16.21PoeticIntensityhehe.... nice, mindjuju
19:16.40Bikerdan_+SunSparc: No you didn't
19:16.59PoeticIntensityhey Bikerdan_ how's life?
19:17.11Bikerdan_Good.
19:17.12Bikerdan_You?
19:17.15PoeticIntensityswell.
19:17.20Bikerdan_Nice
19:17.23PoeticIntensityA bit tired, but that's to be expected.
19:17.35Bikerdan_Yeah.
19:17.39Bikerdan_?
19:17.43PoeticIntensityThe studio has been booked solid for almost 2 months now.
19:17.54mindjujucongrats!
19:18.13PoeticIntensitythanks, mindjuju ...  not sure if it's a good thing or not...  I never sleep anymore.
19:18.15Bikerdan_Studio?
19:18.30herloBikerdan_: Advanced Budget Studios
19:18.32PoeticIntensitywww.advancedbudgetstudios.com - a recording studio I own and operate "on the side"
19:18.37herlohe runs a great little place
19:18.46PoeticIntensitytee hee....
19:18.59herloIf only I was a band :)
19:19.06Bikerdan_Sweet!
19:19.07PoeticIntensityWorked with an awesome violinist yesterday...
19:19.12mindjujui hate to rehash old hash but tee hee... is the same as lol
19:19.12PoeticIntensityherlo, haha...
19:19.29Bikerdan_You can be!
19:19.30PoeticIntensityyes, it is.
19:19.37PoeticIntensityis that ... bad?
19:19.39PoeticIntensity:)
19:19.49mindjujuPoeticIntensity, we just had a convo about the reality of lol
19:19.49Bikerdan_Just have them put all your tracks together and voila!
19:20.02mindjuju01http://pastebin.com/trcZr12h01
19:20.05mindjujustart at line 8
19:20.06PoeticIntensitydude, mindjuju this 8-bit Christmas music is infectious.
19:20.12PoeticIntensityI see.
19:20.17mindjujui know bro, that's some mine fine tunes
19:20.23PoeticIntensityyessir.
19:20.27Bikerdan_limh
19:20.41Bikerdan_limh @ PoeticIntensity
19:20.58PoeticIntensityman, things have changed...
19:21.04PoeticIntensityI don't even know what limh means.
19:21.13mindjujulaugh in my head
19:21.20Bikerdan_lol!
19:21.23Bikerdan_not
19:21.26Bikerdan_limh
19:21.30mindjujuwe've determined that limh is more appropriate
19:21.54mindjujuand Bikerdan_ , i just contacted the sysadmin 2 times removed and he confirms it was a hack
19:21.58mindjujufungus ^^
19:22.10Bikerdan_lol
19:22.11mindjujuhe says this
19:22.12SunSparcBikerdan_: Yes, actually, I did.  Severall times.
19:22.13mindjujuI made them myself. It was a hack. Usb has plenty of power to run one or two based on the Intel ssds we bought. You can tie the 5v and neg from usb cables to a SATA power end. Check a diagram for SATA power connection to help match the voltages.
19:22.14Bikerdan_limh
19:22.52SunSparc~lolstats
19:22.52ibottotal count of lol on #uphpu: 3066.  Top 3: carmony -- 439 (14.3%), SunSparc -- 398 (13.0%), TuxToaster -- 382 (12.5%)
19:22.52mindjujui know it makes fungus cry a little inside everytime he hears about some of the hacks inthe office
19:22.52Bikerdan_+SunSparc:  That's kinda creepy....
19:23.00carmonybah
19:23.09SunSparcBikerdan_: or humorous :)
19:23.23SunSparcDang it carmony!
19:23.29Bikerdan_You lol'd several times?  All in a row?
19:23.32carmonystarting lol'in it up SunSparc
19:23.32carmony:P
19:23.45Bikerdan_That's creepy
19:23.49SunSparcBikerdan_: Yep, it was a great time.  :)
19:23.56SunSparccarmony: apparently
19:23.58SunSparclol
19:24.00SunSparc:)
19:24.29Bikerdan_Reminds me of Austin Powers...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
19:25.10PoeticIntensitynow that I've read it, I've gotta comment....
19:25.17PoeticIntensitymy "hehe" never means "lol"...
19:25.24Bikerdan_I hope not...
19:25.26PoeticIntensityI rarely type "lol" unless I "lol"ed.
19:25.41PoeticIntensity*chuckle* is another one I use.
19:25.43SunSparcBikerdan_: that is a whole lot of lol'ing
19:25.46PoeticIntensitywhich means, "I just chuckled"
19:25.50Bikerdan_Yeah
19:25.54Bikerdan_See... Creepy.
19:26.04PoeticIntensitynow lol'ing is creepy?
19:26.06Bikerdan_Do you actually chuckle?
19:26.11Bikerdan_Or Chortle?
19:26.14PoeticIntensitywhy yes, I actually chuckle.
19:26.26Bikerdan_You didn't see my video link ^^^
19:26.27PoeticIntensityI rarely chortle, but should it occur, I simply type *chortle*
19:26.32Bikerdan_lol
19:26.46PoeticIntensityLOL
19:26.50SunSparcBikerdan_: sometimes both.
19:26.54PoeticIntensity(yes, I actually LOL'ed)
19:26.56mindjujuoh man!  this is amazing!  who has putty or another telnet client handly?
19:26.58Bikerdan_But never should one *giggle*
19:27.03PoeticIntensitynever.
19:27.06Bikerdan_Here
19:27.14mindjujutelnet here towel.blinkenlights.nl
19:27.16PoeticIntensityI've got a terminal.... would that work, mindjuju ?
19:27.43mindjujui won't runin it for you, but it is the ULTIMATE in geek
19:28.05PoeticIntensityemerging telnet now... (yes... I know... I'm not a real geek)
19:28.13Bikerdan_Yep... Seen it... Amazing.
19:28.47Bikerdan_Have you seen this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE
19:28.59PoeticIntensityoh..... yeah... this isn't real.
19:29.03PoeticIntensityholy cow.
19:29.19mindjujuBikerdan_ that's awesome!
19:29.23Bikerdan_:)
19:29.53TuxToasteryup, those never get old
19:30.09TuxToasterI love the scanner that plays ode to joy to test the stepper motor
19:30.30mindjujudo you have link TuxToaster
19:30.58Bikerdan_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8W2AxXfbvM
19:31.34PoeticIntensitygotta say.... watching this telnet stream while listening to 8-bit Christmas is really interesting.
19:32.28mindjujuthis one is pretty good, phantom of the floppera
19:32.29mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmoDLyiQYKw
19:33.00mindjujuthough it's not phantom , its bach
19:33.31Bikerdan_Is this real?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwaPP9cxT4&feature=related
19:33.36TuxToastermindjuju: yup, one sec.
19:33.52TuxToasterhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KImkZvLOCfA
19:36.04SunSparchttp://www.crashthesuperbowl.com/#/gallery/?video=11839
19:39.08mahelious8bitpeoples or rushcoil?
19:41.16mindjujumahelious, i sent him the link for rushcoil
19:41.58maheliousthink i wanna check that out
19:42.18mindjuju01http://rushcoil.bandcamp.com/album/8-bit-christmas01
19:42.50Bikerdan_Interesting vids...
19:42.51Bikerdan_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoTKXXNQIU&feature=fvwrel
19:43.00Bikerdan_Magnetic liquid...
19:43.01Bikerdan_http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3CgKmfInv_k
19:49.46mahelioushttp://pastebin.com/zj0B4xXr
19:50.07maheliousits too simple to submit to dailywtf, but i have to share my pain with someone.
19:50.47Bikerdan_Nice....
19:50.59Bikerdan_Any of you play minecraft?
19:51.05josePHPagodai do
19:51.06mindjujuyup
19:51.08josePHPagoda:-D
19:51.18Bikerdan_You guys frequent a server or anything?
19:51.24josePHPagodajust my own
19:51.27josePHPagoda:-P
19:51.35josePHPagodabut i'm hoping to get the colo'd somewhere
19:51.39mindjujurun one for my son and I
19:51.42Bikerdan_We should setup a uphpu server
19:51.47josePHPagodai've got hardware we can use
19:51.50josePHPagoda:-P
19:52.10Bikerdan_Can survival mode be played on servers?
19:52.19mindjujuyup, or creative
19:52.26Bikerdan_Which do you guys prefer?
19:52.43mindjujudepending on the server, you can run both at the same time, different ports
19:52.46SunSparcBikerdan_: I play minecraft!  I love it.
19:52.56josePHPagodai prefer survival
19:52.56Bikerdan_I love it too...
19:53.05josePHPagodaanyways... does someone have good bandwidth?
19:53.06Bikerdan_Anyone ever found an abondoned mine?
19:53.10SunSparcMy kids are addicted to it.
19:53.22mindjujuyup on the abondoned mine
19:53.33josePHPagodayes Bikerdan_
19:53.36mindjujuhave you found the portal to enderworld?
19:53.36Bikerdan_I found one for the first time a couple of weeks ago...
19:53.37Bikerdan_Pretty fun
19:53.37SunSparcI have a server on AWS and one in my house that we play on together.  They love it.
19:53.42Bikerdan_I built one...
19:53.45Bikerdan_If that counts
19:54.23SunSparcI was going to say, why find one when you can build one.  :)  But finding one would be cool.
19:54.49Bikerdan_josePHPagoda:  So when are you setting it up? :)
19:54.52josePHPagodaSunSparc: sometimes there are chests
19:54.57josePHPagodai need a place with good bandwidth
19:55.05josePHPagodasomeone willing to colo it with me?
19:55.17SunSparcMy kids have done far more exploring than I have.  The showed me about the snow golem's yesterday.
19:55.26SunSparcjosePHPagoda: Ah yes, the chests.  :)
19:55.38SunSparcjosePHPagoda: Why colo?
19:55.42josePHPagodaBikerdan_: you know anyone wanting to house the server?
19:55.53mindjujui wonder what kind of bandwidth / machine is needed for like 10 clients?
19:55.53Bikerdan_I don't...
19:56.08josePHPagodamy 1.5mbps dsl connection that usually only gets half that speed doesnt cut it
19:56.13josePHPagodabut I'm willing to provide some hardware
19:56.17josePHPagoda(got an excellent box for it)
19:56.26josePHPagoda(should handle 10 people no problem)
19:56.58Bikerdan_Are there any public / free servers we could find and use?
19:57.08josePHPagodanot that aren't already heavily used
19:57.09SunSparcI have one of the AWS mini's and it has done pretty well for me.  Though we have not really ever had more than about 4 people on at a time.
19:57.36Bikerdan_The server can't need that much bandwidth can it?
19:57.38SunSparcThe mini's are free for the fist year.
19:58.40mindjujui think we could do a hosted plan if people would chip in a little
19:58.46Bikerdan_Minecon is in two days.
19:58.51mindjujui'm seeing a plan here for 20 people for $23 a month
19:58.58mindjujuso like $1/mnth
19:59.12mindjujui'd sign up if y'all'd chip in a pinch
19:59.17Bikerdan_A plan for a hosted minecraft server?
19:59.23josePHPagodamindjuju: we'll discuss this tomorrow :-D
19:59.24mindjujuhttp://mossycobble.com/minecraft-hosting#shared
19:59.30jsmithmindjuju: My son would pitch in :-p
20:00.00Bikerdan_I can do 12 / yr no problem
20:00.45Bikerdan_Can you switch between the 10 and 20 player servers as needed?
20:00.54josePHPagodai'll see if I can chip in a few bucks
20:02.11SunSparcWow, $23 for 20 players.  Tempting...
20:02.22mindjujuyeah, no doubt
20:02.27Bikerdan_Looks like you can upgrade servers at any time.
20:02.31mindjujujust from the comments here, i was going to get that one
20:02.35Bikerdan_Maybe start with the 10 and see how many are in.
20:02.49mindjujuthen all of us + kids could be on there
20:02.54Bikerdan_Are they concurrent slots or unique slots?
20:03.02mindjujuconcurrent slots?
20:03.05josePHPagodaBikerdan_: that's an excellent question
20:03.12josePHPagodaare the slots tied to a user is the thing
20:03.18Bikerdan_Like is the limitation on connections or unique users.
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20:03.57SunSparcHmmm... maybe it could be a UPHPU Minecraft server?  PLUG had one, but they turned it off.
20:04.19mindjujuhaving seen some of the convo on #utah, i can see why
20:04.20mindjuju;)
20:04.33SunSparcheh
20:04.33josePHPagodalol
20:04.34Bikerdan_Why?
20:04.45SunSparcI mean, limh
20:04.53Bikerdan_:)
20:04.59josePHPagodaok, so we should build a php interpreter in minecraft... you can feed it wool blocks shaped as your letters, and it will execute it
20:05.09Bikerdan_lol
20:05.11Bikerdan_limh
20:05.18SunSparclol
20:05.23SunSparcjosePHPagoda: Nice
20:05.48Bikerdan_We could use signs as the code input...
20:06.01Bikerdan_We could call them terminals.
20:06.19Bikerdan_Then the terminal could interact with all surrounding blocks within a 100 block radius.
20:06.20josePHPagodalol
20:06.31Bikerdan_A new language could be used to control those blocks.
20:06.39Bikerdan_Amazing possibilities....
20:06.42Bikerdan_Just sayin...
20:06.46SunSparc:)
20:06.49Bikerdan_Can you say vehicles...?
20:06.58SunSparcI want an airplane
20:07.10Bikerdan_Would be quite fun...
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20:07.13Bikerdan_:)
20:07.54Bikerdan_@mindjuju:  Are you setting it up?
20:08.05SunSparcDid you see this? http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/92507/ss_d7b0bd82650f23386632b254ed6ec6b1e56c3c3c.1920x1080.jpg?t=1321389918
20:08.11mindjujuBikerdan_ yup
20:08.27SunSparcFrom this PC Gamer article that Notch tweeted about:  http://store.steampowered.com/app/92507/
20:08.46Bikerdan_lol
20:08.54Bikerdan_Nice @mindjuju
20:09.30Bikerdan_How should we setup payment?
20:09.41mindjujuif you ahve paypal acct, you can send me $$
20:09.42Bikerdan_Do you have a paypal acct?
20:09.44mindjujuyup
20:10.33josePHPagodai think i can talk my wife into it
20:11.28SunSparcI wonder what kind of control you have over the server...
20:11.40Bikerdan_Pretty much full control from what I've read
20:11.41josePHPagodaSunSparc: you can control it using the force
20:11.44josePHPagoda:-P
20:11.52SunSparclol
20:12.02josePHPagodaso who here is going to the meeting tomorrow?
20:12.14Monnoki am
20:12.53Monnokooh, reminds me. I need a ride from/to downtown slc
20:13.08SunSparcjosePHPagoda: I want to.  Need to check with the wife still...
20:13.28josePHPagodai'm pumped to be presenting
20:13.31josePHPagoda:-D
20:15.07Bikerdan_Hey!  Player slots are for simultanious connections!
20:15.19Bikerdan_That's great!
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20:16.07SunSparc_~lart my connection
20:16.07ibottakes out a seltzer bottle and sprays my connection in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed
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20:19.52josePHPagodalol
20:27.03mindjujujosePHPagoda, Bikerdan_, jsmith, SunSparc, i have it signed up, but have a 1:30p, meet, i'll get yall that info right after that, brb
20:27.18SunSparcmindjuju: ok
20:27.31mgeary~rlart
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20:31.23josePHPagodathanks mindjuju (i just got wife aproval)
20:40.20SunSparcmindjuju: I have me and two kids that play, for a total of 3.  I would like to know how many people we actually have.  I can probably swing $36/year at least.
20:42.23Bikerdan_sweeeet
20:43.10josePHPagodai can be in for 12ish a year
20:44.11Bikerdan_I hate lava....
20:45.29herloBikerdan_: who likes lava?
20:45.39herloseriously, lava can kill you!
20:45.49Bikerdan_Not me... that's for sure.
20:46.00herlolol
20:46.17Bikerdan_Yeah.  I keep realizing that :)
20:48.16SunSparcMy kids love lava when they play on creative mode.  They make lava castles.
20:48.32SunSparcI have lost many a good item to lava.
20:52.00josePHPagodalol
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21:37.34brastohehe, I got distracted from my question earlier.  Mindjuju, that calculator changes the values to decimal, so I'm looking at it now to see if I can figure out what it's doing.
21:39.31brastoso, it appears that you have to convert all values that will be added together to decimal, add them together, then convert back to hex?
21:40.47brastoMan, well, I want to stick around and talk about it more, but I have to head out... I might bring this up again when I'm back and have more time though.  Catch y'all later!
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22:13.04tierraI have an idea for what I think would be a brilliant feature for CSS - if you could use aliases for colors, as in custom named colors besides the built-in ones
22:14.22tierrayou would define your color scheme up front or whatever with logical names somewhat based on the group of elements the color would be used with
22:14.37tierrathat have absolutely nothing to do with the actual color being assigned to them
22:14.52optikaltierra: Yeah, that'd be slick. Allow you to tie things together on the CSS level rather than HTML
22:15.07optikalWhich makes more sense
22:16.16tierrathat way, you could also flip out the entire color scheme easily without getting anywhere near all the other definitions that have nothing to do with the color
22:17.20Bikerdan_tierra: http://lesscss.org/
22:17.50tierraI know some people will actually split out their CSS files into something like colors.css, fonts.css, layout.css, etc... but when you do that, if you need to change site structure, you end up needing to do it in every last CSS file, and I hate that
22:18.39tierraBikerdan_: oh, nice
22:18.46tierrathat's exactly what I mean
22:19.16Bikerdan_It can run on the client or the server...  Which is nice also
22:19.51mahelioushuh.  just minified the utf and base64 functions from the php.js project.  the copyright notice is now 5x the size of the actual code on disk.
22:20.34optikalOh hay, that's awesome (LESS)
22:21.06tierraspeaking of minification, I'm guessing you can't minify LESS at that point
22:21.55Bikerdan_I'm not sure about client side, but serverside, you could minify it before it's returned to the browser...
22:22.14tierraoh, right
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23:12.27SunSparcFor the lolcat lovers:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=263336673719345
23:13.11josePHPagodaepic
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23:40.37Bikerdan_limh!
23:40.48josePHPagoda???
23:40.56Bikerdan_lolcat
23:44.06josePHPagodawhat does limh! mean?
23:44.15mgeary~lart josePHPagoda
23:44.15ibotexecutes killall -HUP josePHPagoda
23:44.21mgearylaughing in my head, of course
23:44.33josePHPagoda:-(
23:44.38josePHPagodai've been HUPed
23:44.40josePHPagoda:-P
23:45.06Bikerdan_:)
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