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| 02:00.21 | herlo | mindjuju__: you still around?? |
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| 14:24.45 | mindjuju | sup utah_dave |
| 14:26.13 | Utah_Dave | hey, mindjuju! |
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| 14:35.02 | mindjuju | i'm getting snippy in my old age |
| 14:35.30 | mindjuju | somebody goes onto linked in and under the utah php users group chan asks if there is a PHP user group for utah |
| 14:35.42 | itimber | hehe |
| 14:35.45 | mindjuju | first off, why don't i have my linkedin email turned off already? |
| 14:35.49 | itimber | lame |
| 14:35.56 | mindjuju | second, i posted this http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Utah+PHP+Users+Group |
| 14:36.07 | mindjuju | he's a headhunter for teksystems |
| 14:36.37 | itimber | hehe |
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| 15:00.36 | herlo | eggyknap: donuts? |
| 15:01.39 | eggyknap | The donuts she brought with her were only part of her ... attractions. |
| 15:01.59 | herlo | lol |
| 15:02.00 | herlo | okay |
| 15:02.11 | herlo | nice!! |
| 15:03.25 | TuxToaster | LOL @ the LMGTFY link on the LinkedIn thread, that was great. |
| 15:03.41 | mindjuju | you don't think that was too much? |
| 15:03.51 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 15:04.14 | mindjuju | i was starting to have second thoughts about my comment, just pissed me off |
| 15:04.35 | TuxToaster | I mean, if they can take the time to search for the group on LinkedIn, you'd think they could search for it on Google. |
| 15:04.47 | mindjuju | v true |
| 15:05.41 | mindjuju | man, i'm tired |
| 15:06.32 | ninnypants | I would google first even |
| 15:07.08 | mindjuju | 10 more days left til halloween |
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| 15:08.31 | mindjuju | here are some of the numbers my web server has been seeing - http://screencast.com/t/qqGgwi3M |
| 15:09.04 | mindjuju | here is img server - http://screencast.com/t/3JtLxNlC |
| 15:09.43 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 15:10.12 | herlo | mindjuju: using munin i see |
| 15:10.16 | mindjuju | and a special thx to uphpu for helping keep the servers running for an increase in traffic with a significant decrease in downtime |
| 15:10.22 | mindjuju | ~herlo++ |
| 15:10.26 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 15:10.32 | mindjuju | ~josephscott++ |
| 15:10.32 | herlo | :) |
| 15:10.39 | josephscott | ? |
| 15:10.39 | herlo | munin rulez! |
| 15:10.46 | mindjuju | (even though i turned off etags ;) |
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| 15:11.04 | josephscott | munin ftw |
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| 15:12.50 | mindjuju | i think this graph is the funniest of all - http://screencast.com/t/ODLPuWVD2WA5 |
| 15:13.38 | mindjuju | so from Jan to Aug, nothing, then pow, it gets nuts |
| 15:14.45 | mindjuju | WP graphs would be awesome to look at |
| 15:14.54 | mindjuju | do yall post them anywhere for the curiosu? |
| 15:15.37 | josephscott | munin graphs for wordpress.com? I've asked about doing that a few times, never gets to the top of the list |
| 15:15.48 | josephscott | though we've done a few one off posts of them |
| 15:15.49 | mindjuju | bummer |
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| 15:16.26 | mindjuju | there were some interesting stats at the wordcamp |
| 15:16.31 | mindjuju | I got to go run and check a computer real quick, herlo, just saw you ping'd last night, want to send a PM |
| 15:16.50 | josephscott | the ddos graphs are really fun |
| 15:17.21 | josephscott | mindjuju: http://barry.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/wordpress-com-ddos-details/ |
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| 15:19.26 | josephscott | if you are using munin to graph mysql data there is a mysql2 module someone wrote for munin that provides some additional details that can be really helpful |
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| 15:29.16 | herlo | mindjuju: should be here all day |
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| 15:42.58 | mindjuju | that's awesome josephscott! |
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| 15:55.27 | mindjuju | i love this poster - http://troll.me/images/dos-equis-man/i-dont-always-write-code-but-when-i-do-i-test-it-in-production.jpg |
| 15:56.30 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've kept a copy of that on my computer since I first saw it |
| 15:56.49 | mindjuju | this is 100% true for me when i deploy systems - http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10574582.jpg |
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| 16:48.41 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:50.09 | josephscott | the only test environment that matches production is production |
| 16:50.52 | josephscott | so force your deploy system to automatically run tests for you :-) |
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| 18:30.17 | mahelious | ~lart IE8 |
| 18:30.17 | ibot | follow's IE8 with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
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| 18:36.03 | TuxToaster | so if I have snytax like this: $this->UpdateSession($this->Stored); |
| 18:36.09 | TuxToaster | should that be a problem? |
| 18:36.28 | TuxToaster | I've got a bit of code that works in other environments but on this one server it's not running that line |
| 18:36.38 | TuxToaster | no errors, code continues as normal outside of that call |
| 18:40.50 | TuxToaster | hmm, nm, it might be working now. meh. |
| 18:41.39 | josephscott | carmony: was it you that mentioned http://schemasync.org/ ? |
| 18:42.32 | TuxToaster | ooh, that looks sweet |
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| 20:16.15 | TuxToaster | anyone messsed with custom session handlers recently? |
| 20:49.44 | beandog | TuxToaster: are you making one? |
| 20:49.50 | beandog | I just found out about them this week |
| 20:49.54 | mindjuju | some of these are silly, like the TV with built in consoles - http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/717/7-gadgets-that-wont-be-around-in-2020 |
| 20:50.02 | TuxToaster | I already have one I've used for a few years |
| 20:50.15 | TuxToaster | but I'm banging my head against a silly problem that I'm pretty sure is a change in PHP itself |
| 20:50.20 | mindjuju | think sony will make a tv + playstation or tv + xbox? |
| 20:50.29 | TuxToaster | didn't get much help out of the #php out of it |
| 20:51.34 | TuxToaster | the issue I'm having is I have a login.domain.com page where you log in, and then it sets a session cookie that is valid for the whole domain and redirects you to www.domain.com |
| 20:51.58 | beandog | mindjuju: theres no way consoles are disappearing |
| 20:52.17 | TuxToaster | but the problem is if I hit the session from domain.com, I can validate that it's reading the data from the database, but PHP doesn't populate $_SESSION. same exact page works fine if run from login.domain.com |
| 20:52.37 | beandog | TuxToaster: did it stop working on a php upgrade or something |
| 20:52.56 | TuxToaster | I *think* so. Remember my fail where I had to rebuild my server? |
| 20:53.01 | beandog | no |
| 20:53.13 | TuxToaster | eh, I was complaining about it here. lol |
| 20:53.27 | beandog | what happened? |
| 20:53.43 | TuxToaster | anyways I think that's when it started, since I know it was working before, then I ended up building a new VPS and putting the same code on it untouched |
| 20:53.46 | TuxToaster | and now it's not working |
| 20:54.04 | beandog | did you copy over your complete php.ini |
| 20:54.07 | TuxToaster | I have the same session class working on other sites without problems, so I think it's specific to 5.3 |
| 20:54.18 | TuxToaster | I didn't have the .ini file handy, but I didn't have any changes to it either |
| 20:54.48 | beandog | what version did you migrate to |
| 20:54.48 | TuxToaster | usually the only stuff I change in there are things related to the display errors or short tags, etc. |
| 20:54.48 | TuxToaster | I'm on 5.3.3 right now |
| 20:55.01 | TuxToaster | tempted to try finding packages for a newer version just to see if it fixes it |
| 20:55.08 | beandog | hmm are you sure it's not throwing an error? |
| 20:55.14 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 20:55.20 | beandog | how do you get your error log |
| 20:55.37 | TuxToaster | I have display_errors on and error_reporting(E_ALL) |
| 20:55.49 | TuxToaster | thing is |
| 20:56.31 | TuxToaster | thing is, the page I'm using to test is the exact same page, just different hostname but I've got a symlink so they're both going the same place |
| 20:57.04 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:57.06 | beandog | dunno |
| 20:57.20 | TuxToaster | if I go to login.domain.com and log in, I see the data in the db and $_SESSION is populated. I can refresh several times and it's there. If I hit the same page from www. it's empty. |
| 20:57.24 | beandog | I'd file a bug with php. chances are they'd look at it pretty quickly, if it's well documented |
| 20:57.56 | TuxToaster | pretty sure it's a bug, just hoping I can make it make sense to them. |
| 20:58.08 | beandog | They're going to tell you to run latest stable PHP |
| 20:58.11 | beandog | before they'll look at it |
| 20:58.30 | beandog | the whole "dunno, it might be fixed -- upgrade and then come back" |
| 20:58.40 | beandog | at least, that's what I'd do |
| 20:58.48 | beandog | and do do exactly that on bugs |
| 20:59.35 | TuxToaster | yeah, trying to see if I can find some packages for it |
| 20:59.42 | TuxToaster | don't feel like compiling right now. :-) |
| 21:00.59 | PoeticIntensity | anyone have experience doing so? |
| 21:01.02 | PoeticIntensity | good or bad? |
| 21:07.28 | TuxToaster | nope, no dice, same issue on 5.3.8. Grr. |
| 21:07.40 | TuxToaster | I might rewrite the handler a bit just to make sure it's not the code first |
| 21:07.51 | TuxToaster | since I've needed to make a cleaner version anyways. |
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| 21:21.02 | mindjuju | with half the windows world still running XP, that was pretty dumb to force everybody to a different browser by requiring IE 9 on winders 7 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/system-requirements |
| 21:22.53 | fungus | mindjuju, do you enjoy writing your apps for old legacy browsers? |
| 21:23.21 | fungus | Browser devs don't like writing stuff for old legacy OSes |
| 21:23.49 | mindjuju | i wonder what compels chrome and FF to do so? |
| 21:24.08 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.29 | fungus | They use their own toolchain which frees them from much of the old cruft. |
| 21:24.47 | fungus | IE uses the core windows toolchains/libraries |
| 21:25.25 | beandog | TuxToaster: good idea |
| 21:25.27 | macnewbold | oh, i misread that the first time - IE9 requires Windows 7, not Windows 7 requires IE9 |
| 21:26.26 | mindjuju | that may be, but do you agree that not trying to provide a modern browser negatively impacts IE adoption? |
| 21:26.59 | fungus | They did try. IE8 |
| 21:29.05 | mindjuju | are they continuing to develop IE 8 to keep that version modern ? |
| 21:36.52 | macnewbold | I think they're more worried about the opposite problem - they're trying to pressure people to upgrade their windows ($$$) rather than upgrade their browser (free) |
| 21:39.43 | mindjuju | yup, i agree with that assessment, but i think it's flawed |
| 21:40.00 | mindjuju | why upgrade when cost = $150, when you can download chrome $0 |
| 21:40.44 | macnewbold | most IE8 users are only using it because it is path of least resistance |
| 21:41.00 | macnewbold | chrome/firefox/opera/safari aren't even in their vocabulary |
| 21:41.21 | macnewbold | so for them, it's often going to be deal with IE8 or upgrade winders and pay monies |
| 21:41.25 | macnewbold | it sucks |
| 21:41.38 | macnewbold | ~distributed ubuntu cds |
| 21:41.43 | macnewbold | ~distribute ubuntu cds |
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| 21:47.39 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: dunno about ubuntu, but raifbot has some AOL cds he'd gladly toss at you |
| 22:01.18 | beandog | what do you guys recommend for running a nameserver |
| 22:01.19 | beandog | bind? |
| 22:01.22 | beandog | or anything else? |
| 22:02.30 | TuxToaster | been a while |
| 22:02.38 | TuxToaster | I used to use djbdns |
| 22:02.49 | TuxToaster | bind is a bit heavy for my tastes |
| 22:03.10 | TuxToaster | though it does work pretty well |
| 22:03.15 | beandog | ah I totally forgot about that one |
| 22:04.47 | jsmith | beandog: Have you looked at PowerDNS? |
| 22:04.59 | beandog | jsmith: nope, just barely starting out research |
| 22:05.19 | jsmith | beandog: I haven't used it in a couple of years, but I was pleased with it back then :-) |
| 22:05.28 | beandog | jsmith: k thx Ill check it out |
| 22:12.03 | TuxToaster | it's been a while since I hosted dns |
| 22:12.40 | TuxToaster | but what I liked about djb was it was pretty easy to configure, and there was a php-based control panel (vegadns? I think?) that went with it |
| 22:13.20 | TuxToaster | so one project I worked on I had a setup where it would automatically set up DNS records for new customers with that |
| 22:14.30 | TuxToaster | now I have all of my dns hosted instead. was just easier when I didn't have a steady enough connection to deal with it |
| 22:19.33 | beandog | yah I used to maintain a bind setup a long time ago |
| 22:19.37 | beandog | All I remember was that it was complex. |
| 22:51.22 | fungus | Most of the complexity of Bind is not really that of bind itself, but in the DNS architecture. |
| 22:51.45 | fungus | I still love bind |
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| 23:11.26 | mindjuju | darn, he's prolly on a tractor having fun on his farm |
| 23:15.54 | eggyknap | mindjuju: que? |
| 23:16.13 | eggyknap | And no, no tractors around here. We might get a horse one day, or perhaps oxen. |
| 23:17.10 | eggyknap | That said, the neighbors have tractors, so we know whom to turn to. And if anyone wants oats or wheat next July, I plan to have some I'll be trying to rid myself of :) |
| 23:18.16 | macnewbold | nice |
| 23:18.22 | macnewbold | i wish we could get stuff to grow |
| 23:19.17 | beandog | man |
| 23:19.20 | beandog | I drove up to Plain City today |
| 23:19.25 | beandog | That is the coolest place, evar. |
| 23:19.28 | beandog | I want to seriously live there. |
| 23:36.32 | mindjuju | hey eggyknap, i was going to ask your advice on a system that i know has your hatred |
| 23:36.46 | eggyknap | My advice: lead on target. |
| 23:37.09 | mindjuju | i've got an mssql server that is in production, and I have a second server |
| 23:37.22 | mindjuju | now, i just updated the second server with data from the first on Sunday |
| 23:37.51 | mindjuju | and then after that update, I truncated a bunch of stuff (the earlier records) leaving the later dated stuff |
| 23:38.08 | mindjuju | now I need to resync those keeping the older stuff and updating with the newer |
| 23:38.15 | mindjuju | so a standard backup/restore won't work here |
| 23:38.25 | mindjuju | i'm prolly pooched huh? |
| 23:38.46 | mindjuju | have to write a billion queries to update the second server with the updated records |
| 23:39.18 | eggyknap | Sounds like it to me. mssql might have some nifty trick, but I don't know of anything generic to do it. |
| 23:39.38 | mindjuju | darn |
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