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| 14:31.49 | mastergunns | good morning my long lost PHP friends. how is everyone? |
| 14:32.25 | josephscott | lost apparently :-) |
| 14:32.52 | mastergunns | josephscott: zing! |
| 14:34.59 | herlo | mastergunns: !! hi !! |
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| 14:38.22 | josephscott | mastergunns: what's new? |
| 14:38.23 | mastergunns | herlo: whats happenen? |
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| 14:38.43 | herlo | mastergunns: we's hanging out! |
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| 14:49.27 | mastergunns | josephscott: lot's o stuff. finally finished up conference, now back to regularly schedule dev. |
| 14:49.40 | josephscott | mastergunns: are you at SORT? |
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| 14:57.14 | mastergunns | josephscott: shows how disconnected I am from the main herd, I didn't even know it was going on. My goal from this point forward is to stay in tune with all the goings on there. So maybe next year. I keep saying that, and it really bugs me. |
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| 15:26.49 | josephscott | carmony: how are things going? been a little quite lately |
| 15:28.48 | carmony | josephscott: oh, just busy busy :P |
| 15:29.06 | josephscott | yep, that happens :-) |
| 15:29.28 | jsmith | Impossible! |
| 15:29.30 | jsmith | There's no such thing as a busy geek... |
| 15:30.28 | carmony | lol |
| 15:35.23 | itimber | lol |
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| 16:23.01 | JacobEdmondKerr | Hey guys. I have an IIS server running both Coldfusion and PHP. Lately I have been having problems with the server. For some reason and I do not know why yet PHP will stop working. This has been happening since i released a new checkout sytem but I can not find anything in this new checkout that would cause this type of behavior. Our server admin which is a coldfusion guy and does not really seem to like PHP much thinks it's PHP 5.3 he says 5.3 h |
| 16:23.01 | JacobEdmondKerr | as some major performance issue and bugs. what do you think? |
| 16:23.56 | JacobEdmondKerr | Could it be 5.3 and should I down grade to 5.2. |
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| 17:02.16 | mindjuju_ | PHP 5.2 is not supported |
| 17:02.21 | mindjuju_ | i wouldn't go that route |
| 17:02.27 | mindjuju_ | JacobEdmondKerr^^ |
| 17:02.46 | mindjuju_ | instead, what you need is to see the Event Viewer to see why PHP is crashing |
| 17:03.01 | mindjuju_ | curious, what port is PHP running on? |
| 17:03.13 | mindjuju_ | Did coldfusion ever do libraries for PHP? |
| 17:03.36 | mindjuju_ | i know they did .net and i thought they were thinking python, but i've been out of that market for a while |
| 17:04.15 | JacobEdmondKerr | I'm not sure. I do not think Coldfusion has. I will look into that again. That would be cool. |
| 17:04.36 | mindjuju_ | so about PHP port though, what port is it running on? |
| 17:04.44 | JacobEdmondKerr | I'm not sure what port it's running on I will look into that now as well as the event viewer. |
| 17:05.05 | mindjuju_ | oh wait, i remember now |
| 17:05.10 | mindjuju_ | JacobEdmondKerr |
| 17:05.17 | JacobEdmondKerr | :) |
| 17:05.18 | mindjuju_ | IIS is running on port 80 |
| 17:05.28 | mindjuju_ | and PHP and CF both coexist for IIS |
| 17:05.50 | mindjuju_ | srry, i had like 4hrs of sleep last night and POST still hasn't cleared for my brain |
| 17:06.39 | mindjuju_ | so, when you say PHP stops working, what does that mean |
| 17:07.20 | JacobEdmondKerr | When I go to load a PHP page it hangs and times out but at the same time all the coldfusion pages will wrk. |
| 17:07.38 | JacobEdmondKerr | then we habe to restart the server to get any of the PHP pages to work again. |
| 17:07.46 | JacobEdmondKerr | have* |
| 17:09.37 | mindjuju_ | JacobEdmondKerr - tell your CF guy to read this - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/brian_swan/archive/2011/10/12/why-is-php-5-3-on-windows-faster-than-previous-php-versions.aspx |
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| 17:10.43 | mindjuju_ | so JacobEdmondKerr, did your sys admin setup PHP to run via the IIS 7 insta-installer or how'd he do it |
| 17:10.47 | mindjuju_ | or is he using something older |
| 17:11.07 | mindjuju_ | like IIS 6, 6.1 etc |
| 17:12.26 | JacobEdmondKerr | srry was called into meeting |
| 17:12.51 | JacobEdmondKerr | IIS 7 |
| 17:13.29 | JacobEdmondKerr | I'm not sure how it was orig setup. |
| 17:13.44 | JacobEdmondKerr | I do know the PHP manager for IIS is in place etc. |
| 17:15.34 | mindjuju_ | hmm, i wonder why he didn't go web platform (is that what it's called?) |
| 17:16.23 | mindjuju_ | so JacobEdmondKerr, once M$ realized they were getting their collective butts kicked by PHP, they decided to play nice and build something into IIS that allows quick deploy of PHP and on top of that quick deploy of wordpress, drupal, etc |
| 17:16.37 | mindjuju_ | this is an IIS 7+ thing, not below |
| 17:17.02 | mindjuju_ | i have done it once where i had to run both concurrently and that's how I installed PHP |
| 17:17.08 | JacobEdmondKerr | I'm sure that is prob what he used. This server is like 3 months old. |
| 17:17.54 | mindjuju_ | hmm, yeah post back some event viewers to get better / further help |
| 17:18.09 | JacobEdmondKerr | I'm trying to find the event viewer now. |
| 17:18.23 | mindjuju_ | be sure to shout loud in the chan, it's the busy season here and I'm not monitoring IRC as closely |
| 17:18.37 | JacobEdmondKerr | K how do you shout? |
| 17:18.45 | JacobEdmondKerr | LOL I should know this by now but I do not. |
| 17:18.50 | mindjuju_ | well i mean just say my name |
| 17:18.58 | JacobEdmondKerr | k like.. |
| 17:19.05 | JacobEdmondKerr | mindjuju_: Hey |
| 17:19.14 | mindjuju_ | yup, causes my client to flash |
| 17:19.19 | JacobEdmondKerr | Cool. |
| 17:20.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | I will have some logs in a bit. I just got called off this for another more pressing bug. I will get back to it soon. |
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| 17:47.03 | mindjuju_ | mgeary, textbook was for intro to criminal justice, got a B on the test |
| 17:47.05 | mindjuju_ | i'm happy |
| 17:48.59 | mgeary | son, i am dissapoint |
| 17:51.28 | carmony | hrm, with munin 2.0 beta 4 out, should I try to install munin 2.0 instead of the stable release? |
| 17:54.47 | mindjuju_ | mgeary, i know, i really would like to study more and get a better grade |
| 17:54.56 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:08.58 | josephscott | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.11 | josephscott | I haven't looked at munin 2.0 yet, but that feature alone sounds promising |
| 18:10.18 | mindjuju_ | DtD, what you listening to over on that side? |
| 18:10.41 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju_: Above and Beyond: Trance Around The World |
| 18:11.33 | mindjuju_ | http://www.trancearoundtheworld.com/player/play.php?id=393 ? |
| 18:12.42 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:12.42 | raifbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps josephscott. |
| 18:13.06 | mindjuju_ | raifbot biting the hand that feeds, dangerous move |
| 18:13.10 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:13.18 | TuxToaster | with a ClueBat, no less. |
| 18:13.34 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju_: that would be the show. I'm on episode #363 currently |
| 18:13.40 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju_: http://www.tatw.co.uk/podcast.xml |
| 18:25.20 | josephscott | going to update my iPhone 3GS to iOS5 |
| 18:26.11 | mindjuju_ | utahcon, tell me how that geekli.st goes, i don't know why i'm such a stick in the mud about that stuff |
| 18:26.18 | mindjuju_ | just don't see much value in it |
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| 19:04.41 | JacobEdmondKerr | mindjuju_ I figured it out it was a bug with wincache :) |
| 19:04.51 | JacobEdmondKerr | http://pecl.php.net/package/WinCache |
| 19:04.58 | JacobEdmondKerr | The new version has a fix for it. |
| 19:10.34 | JacobEdmondKerr | Fixed crashes which were happening because aplist refcount and opcode cache refcount can get out of sync due to local cache. |
| 19:13.53 | JacobEdmondKerr | Now how to update wincache... Hmmm.. |
| 19:22.05 | JacobEdmondKerr | arg I downloaded the new wincache and there is no php_wincache.dll just php_wincache.c and php_wincache.h |
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| 19:24.11 | carmony | josephscott: let me know how your upgrade goes |
| 19:25.06 | josephscott | carmony: so far so good, it is doing a massive sync of all my data back to the phone now that the os upgrade is done |
| 19:26.29 | JacobEdmondKerr | Do I have to build the new wincache myself to get the .dll? :( |
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| 19:39.58 | mindjuju | wow, sucks to be on blackberry http://news.yahoo.com/blackberry-outages-spread-north-america-135707967.html |
| 19:44.12 | mindjuju | anybody need a job in orem? |
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| 19:51.51 | bhosie | mindjuju: where do you work? (we're in orem too and need devs STAT) |
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| 20:07.05 | mindjuju | bhosie, i'm actually in PG, i got a plug from a headhunter looking for devs |
| 20:07.15 | mindjuju | i wonder if it is for you |
| 20:07.36 | mindjuju | bhosie, here is what i got |
| 20:07.37 | mindjuju | I am currently looking for 4+ Senior HTML/CSS, JavaScript, AJAX web developers to work on site during normal business hours for a client in the Orem area. |
| 20:07.45 | mindjuju | does that sound like what yall have posted? |
| 20:08.36 | bhosie | nope that's not us....but it certainly seems there's more jobs than devs out there :P |
| 20:09.26 | bhosie | ...the guys next door to us need php devs also |
| 20:10.21 | Monnok | Ive been getting a lot of calls from headhunters for all over SLC. Most of them are different companies |
| 20:12.44 | mindjuju | i hate headhunters |
| 20:12.52 | mindjuju | barely better than leaches, barely |
| 20:13.21 | mindjuju | in other news, i think i'm going to create a consulting agency called dumbideas.com, you pass me your idea and i'll tell you if its dumb or not |
| 20:13.32 | Monnok | ya, ive never gotten a job through them. My own efforts tend to work best |
| 20:13.47 | mindjuju | like that Pam am show or playboy club show, i totally called that they were going to fail (albeit they sank faster than anticipated) |
| 20:13.52 | Monnok | tho ive gotten some decent interviews... |
| 20:13.54 | mindjuju | here is another BAD idea - http://www.movieline.com/2011/10/titanic-3-d-sneak-preview-james-cameron-makes-the-case-for-his-blockbuster-revival.php |
| 20:14.39 | Monnok | must be playboy club, panam's still going |
| 20:14.56 | Monnok | but i only know that cause we did their site |
| 20:14.56 | mindjuju | pbc is down for the count, panam is almost dead |
| 20:14.56 | bhosie | my brother is working through a headhunter right now...it sounds like it isn't going all that well |
| 20:15.12 | mindjuju | yall did panam? |
| 20:15.19 | Monnok | panam.com, yeah |
| 20:15.24 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 20:16.16 | mindjuju | i hear rici was only in it for the pilot |
| 20:17.00 | Monnok | heh, i dont watch it at all |
| 20:17.36 | Monnok | i barely have time for my tosh.0 and burn notice these days |
| 20:23.09 | mindjuju | mgeary, not that it'll help you much, but i guess there is going to be an ipad mini - http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/12/apple-to-launch-ipad-mini-in-early-2012-reports-suggest/ |
| 20:23.14 | mindjuju | prolly sell for $425 |
| 20:23.55 | Monnok | didnt they already make that and call it an ipod touch? |
| 20:24.13 | Monnok | oh, reduced price, not size |
| 20:24.38 | mindjuju | if the first ipad is still $450 how is the mini going to do it? |
| 20:25.10 | Monnok | less hardware to reduce manufac. costs? |
| 20:30.00 | herlo | mindjuju: they aren't trying to make money on the ipad. |
| 20:30.10 | herlo | they are trying to make money on the software and services that go with the ipad |
| 20:30.22 | mindjuju | yes that's true |
| 20:30.40 | mindjuju | but what mgeary and i were talking about yesterday is how can the ipad 2 be $500 and the ipad 1 be $450? |
| 20:30.56 | mindjuju | you know, for a while BB had the ipad 1 for $300 shortly after ipad 2 was out |
| 20:31.02 | mindjuju | then everyboyd bumped the price up |
| 20:31.04 | mindjuju | :( |
| 20:31.08 | herlo | meh, don't buy one |
| 20:31.12 | herlo | problem solved :) |
| 20:31.16 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: people are still asking for (and paying) $500 for iBooks and PowerBooks |
| 20:31.31 | TuxToaster | when the iPads practically have more oomph |
| 20:31.33 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:18.22 | romanovic | mindjuju, bhosie: I have a friend searching for a new job right now. Have job info I can forward to him? |
| 21:22.44 | bhosie | romanovic: http://grosocial.com/careers |
| 21:22.54 | bhosie | romanovic: thx :) |
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| 22:05.08 | mgeary | anyone here ever used HighCharts? |
| 22:08.05 | josephscott | I've looked at it, but the $2000 price tag and non-open source license turned us off pretty quick |
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| 22:17.27 | carmony | is there a prettier interface for munin? |
| 22:18.17 | mindjuju | and with that, I think i've done all my work assignments for today |
| 22:19.35 | bhosie | mgeary: yes |
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| 22:19.53 | mgeary | bhosie: what'd you think? it looks pretty good to me |
| 22:20.02 | josephscott | carmony: you don't like the pretty graphs? ;-) |
| 22:20.17 | carmony | the graphs are nice |
| 22:20.21 | carmony | its how they are organized |
| 22:20.24 | bhosie | i thought it was the best choice...very robust and very pretty if you can get over the price tag |
| 22:20.34 | bhosie | very happy with it |
| 22:21.07 | bhosie | the animations are what sealed the deal in getting the company to pay for it |
| 22:31.51 | mindjuju | hey mgeary, guess what. I got my revised test score (post curve) and it turns out i got an A after all! (sure, it's the cheaterly way to get an A, but ... ;) |
| 22:34.03 | mgeary | son, i am proud |
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| 22:50.48 | carmony | fungus: you around? |
| 22:51.07 | fungus | yup |
| 22:51.40 | carmony | fungus: okay, does munin have some sort of daemon that is runs? |
| 22:52.06 | fungus | the munin-node does. |
| 22:52.17 | fungus | the collector just uses cron |
| 22:53.48 | carmony | hrm, trying to find where that cron job is listed |
| 22:54.26 | fungus | on debian based distros, it's put in /etc/cron.d/munin |
| 22:56.58 | fungus | there are several places to find cron jobs |
| 22:57.05 | fungus | /etc/crontab (system crontab) |
| 22:57.10 | fungus | /etc/cron.d/* |
| 22:57.36 | fungus | /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} |
| 22:57.53 | fungus | /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 22:58.45 | mindjuju | @carmony, if your l337, you can use this grep -r apf /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/ |
| 22:58.53 | mindjuju | course, i think i got it from fungus |
| 22:58.56 | carmony | lol |
| 22:58.56 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:58.58 | carmony | nice |
| 22:59.06 | carmony | should I up it from every 5 minutes? |
| 22:59.10 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 23:02.28 | fungus | 5 minutes is good, unless you really really need better granularity, eg. looking for a specific problem |
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| 23:13.08 | carmony | fungus: any idea why I could be getting these? |
| 23:13.09 | carmony | http://paste2.org/p/1714252 |
| 23:13.21 | tierra | I wonder why it is that no majority can seem to agree on a single PHP database abstraction library to use |
| 23:13.43 | tierra | every framework seems to use it's own... most major PHP apps have their own |
| 23:14.05 | macnewbold | yeah, nothing seems to fit great |
| 23:14.16 | macnewbold | maybe there isn't a "one size fits all" answer here |
| 23:15.07 | macnewbold | but heck, if we could at least narrow it to 2-3 dominant ones that would help. none of them are as easy to use yet as the built in php stuff, so a lot of folks just build on that. |
| 23:15.15 | tierra | there's something like 6-8 different DB abstration libraries in the PECL/PEAR repos |
| 23:16.04 | fungus | I thought pdo was supposed to be the new DB abstraction layer of choice. |
| 23:16.39 | gshipley | I have tried them all and never found one that did everything I needed |
| 23:16.46 | gshipley | I end up just doing straight sql :( |
| 23:17.47 | tierra | PDO doesn't provide database abstraction, and never was intended to |
| 23:18.33 | macnewbold | any that limit my ability to really use all the sql i need (complex joins etc.) won't work for me |
| 23:18.59 | gshipley | macnewbold: yeah, I agree. I would rather just stick with straight sql instead of using a ORM |
| 23:19.01 | macnewbold | if they can make the usual stuff easier, and the harder stuff easier and still possible, that could work |
| 23:19.30 | gshipley | even when I use hsql (hibernate / java) which is the fullest featured ORM out there, I still have to use sql every now and again |
| 23:20.06 | gshipley | last one I played around with in PHP was the default CodeIgniter one and then tried DBMapper for CI |
| 23:20.12 | carmony | hrm, I don't get why munin is complaining about these iostat plugins |
| 23:21.06 | herlo | 'cause! |
| 23:21.45 | tierra | it's so painful though going the strait SQL route though because in most cases, everyone's SQL is 95% possible with one DB abstraction library or another, it's just the remaining 5% that all of the sudden limits you from being able to switch between 5 different DB engines to just one |
| 23:22.23 | tierra | and that sucks if you're building applications that will be running on tons of different systems in completely different environments |
| 23:23.46 | tierra | ... not to mention the possibility of using table prefixes too |
| 23:24.09 | fungus | carmony, run "munin-run iostat config" manually and see if there's any other output that may help |
| 23:25.12 | carmony | fungus: http://paste2.org/p/1714270 |
| 23:25.23 | tierra | gshipley: I've been wanting to get around to checking out what CodeIgniter was using |
| 23:25.40 | gshipley | tierra: CI is really cool. I am presenting / talking about it in November at the meeting |
| 23:25.41 | fungus | carmony, it didn't find any disks to read |
| 23:25.47 | gshipley | its what I used to write www.follw.it in |
| 23:25.56 | gshipley | also speaking on Red Hat's cloud tools that meeting |
| 23:26.12 | carmony | fungus: hrm, not sure how that is possible |
| 23:26.20 | fungus | http://paste2.org/p/1714272 |
| 23:26.27 | fungus | That's mine |
| 23:26.46 | tierra | gshipley: awesome, I'll be there... wait, so you're presenting two months in a row? flying in for both? |
| 23:26.55 | gshipley | hmm⦠wait |
| 23:26.58 | gshipley | maybe its next week |
| 23:26.59 | gshipley | :) |
| 23:27.01 | gshipley | my calendar is crazy |
| 23:27.09 | gshipley | tierra: yeah, next week :) |
| 23:27.12 | tierra | haha |
| 23:27.31 | tierra | well, I'll be there this month too |
| 23:27.40 | fungus | carmony, it reads you disks in a few different ways: /proc/diskstats or /proc/stat |
| 23:27.46 | fungus | Can you read either of those? |
| 23:28.12 | tierra | gshipley: I was already looking forward to hearing about OpenShift |
| 23:28.30 | carmony | yup |
| 23:29.49 | carmony | interesting |
| 23:29.49 | carmony | http://arglebargle.posterous.com/fixing-the-munin-iostat-graph-on-slicehost |
| 23:31.12 | fungus | ahh, that makes sense |
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| 23:34.38 | tierra | gshipley: I played with OpenShift for a bit actually on the basis that I am actually in the process of moving my company to the cloud, but no-one there at RedHat can give me so much as a rough guess on a date planned for coming out of beta, and I did trip up on a couple things while playing with it that seemed a little more on the serious side during eval, and to top it off, while the company likes RedHat, the CIO didn't want us tied to one PaaS ... |
| 23:34.44 | tierra | ... system (and who knows even after coming out of beta when you guys plan to release the source)... anyway, it's too late at this point to even consider OpenShift for this migration I'm doing right now, but I'm still happy to pick your brain about some of the stuff I tripped up on |
| 23:36.54 | tierra | so instead, I'm resigned to more management on my part using in house hosted Chef |
| 23:43.36 | herlo | tierra: beta is the new production methinks |
| 23:43.46 | herlo | google does it, why not everyone else :) |
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| 23:47.47 | tierra | not when you need an SLA |
| 23:47.50 | tierra | heh |