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| 14:35.01 | unum | hello from my new job |
| 14:39.35 | josephscott | unum: where is the new job? |
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| 14:46.51 | josephscott | carmony: when you going to bring this guy to UPHPU? https://twitter.com/#!/hatfieldje |
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| 15:11.10 | carmony | josephscott: Thursday nights are Mo-Tab practice nights, so he can't make it out to UPHPU |
| 15:11.29 | josephscott | carmony: that sounds like a reasonable excuse :-) |
| 15:11.52 | josephscott | what about other devs there? I met a few of them once, they seemed like a pretty isolated group |
| 15:12.07 | carmony | I invited them out |
| 15:12.24 | josephscott | curious how we can reach out to them, and other companies with similar situations |
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| 15:34.07 | unum | josephscott: bgbng.com |
| 15:34.07 | unum | anyone else here use symfony? |
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| 15:38.39 | josephscott | Poll: Should URLs End With A Trailing Slash? http://josephscott.org/archives/2011/10/poll-should-urls-end-with-a-trailing-slash/ |
| 15:38.53 | josephscott | I figure folks in this channel might have an opinion on that :-) |
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| 16:11.31 | Administrador | hi how do page similar to ticketmaster where apply the semaphores in php |
| 16:20.38 | TuxToaster | $lart Administrador |
| 16:20.39 | raifbot | send killer squirrels to attack Administrador. |
| 16:20.55 | influx | Heh. |
| 16:22.00 | mindjuju | i wasn't sure if it was a bot or product of bad transaltion |
| 16:22.07 | mindjuju | i'm thinking the latter |
| 16:22.12 | influx | Ditto. |
| 16:22.20 | mindjuju | he was from Server: sendak.freenode.net Vilnius, Lithuania, EU |
| 16:22.28 | influx | Man. I want to take my vote back on josephscott's poll. |
| 16:22.49 | josephscott | influx: which way did you vote? |
| 16:22.54 | influx | I voted no slash. |
| 16:23.05 | josephscott | and you want to switch? |
| 16:23.08 | influx | Si. |
| 16:23.42 | josephscott | hmmm, doesn't look like the free account lets me edit votes |
| 16:23.48 | influx | No worries. |
| 16:23.54 | josephscott | just leave a comment on the post :-) |
| 16:30.16 | influx | Comment posted. |
| 16:31.32 | influx | ;) |
| 16:31.35 | influx | Bah. :) |
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| 17:14.18 | mindjuju | ~seen fungus |
| 17:14.21 | ibot | fungus <~olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 21h 54m 47s ago, saying: 'lol, i love this: http://mattgemmell.com/2011/09/20/seo-for-non-dicks/'. |
| 17:17.45 | beandog | wow comments on that post went to socialism and communism real fast. |
| 17:18.13 | beandog | why do so many discussions eventually drift towards politics? |
| 17:18.52 | mindjuju | because of political polarization is so extreme |
| 17:18.56 | mindjuju | right now |
| 17:19.13 | mindjuju | fixation is spilling out to other areas |
| 17:19.24 | beandog | mindjuju: I wonder if it's always been that way, and that we've just noticed it more as we've drifted into the age set that argue about politics a lot. |
| 17:24.39 | josephscott | all mailing list style threads eventually devolve into a comparison of Hitler and Nazis |
| 17:25.09 | josephscott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law |
| 17:26.14 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 17:35.47 | beandog | I dunno, I think that's a rather pessimistic view |
| 17:36.20 | beandog | In this case, it wasn't a big leap, since they were talking about the ethics of certain SEO tactics |
| 17:36.34 | beandog | Which devolved into a topic about morals |
| 17:36.38 | mindjuju | about godwin's law or about polarization? |
| 17:36.44 | beandog | godwin's law |
| 17:37.55 | mindjuju | it's funny you noted that, i said same thing on friday about it going to argument of morales |
| 17:38.59 | beandog | I'm also fascinated by arguments online in general. They typically seem to serve little purpose other than people giving their opinions. I wonder what the statistics of people giving their viewpoint to those of changing their stance is. |
| 17:39.11 | beandog | Anyway. |
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| 17:39.55 | mindjuju | probably few conversions |
| 17:40.59 | mindjuju | variance in opinion is a good thing |
| 17:41.56 | beandog | mindjuju: I just wonder how many people walk away with new insights. Or if it's just a shouting match. |
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| 17:44.58 | mindjuju | @beandog - that is a good question |
| 17:45.21 | mindjuju | i'm mulling going to http://www.occupyslc.org/ to see the variance |
| 17:45.47 | mindjuju | http://www.occupyslc.org/ is a sister branch to http://occupywallst.org/ |
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| 17:50.27 | mgeary | ~envy mindjuju |
| 17:50.36 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:50.58 | mindjuju | we're actually looking at buying a drobo after Oct |
| 17:54.22 | beandog | mindjuju: thats an interesting site. |
| 17:54.43 | mindjuju | @mgeary - i know i'm going to remember this purchase in 10yrs and think about how crazy expensive it was - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167077 |
| 17:55.11 | mindjuju | @beandog - i'll let ya know if/when i can get up there, prolly have to be saturday |
| 17:55.40 | mindjuju | my weekday freetime already consumed with homework, UTOS, family, etc |
| 18:23.20 | josephscott | someone needs to ask Adobe to put away the check book |
| 18:23.57 | mindjuju | who did adobe buy today? |
| 18:24.31 | herlo | mindjuju: that isn't expensive when you compare it with a similar fusion-io disk :) |
| 18:25.34 | mindjuju | true that |
| 18:26.05 | josephscott | who didn't Adobe buy today |
| 18:26.49 | josephscott | they bought TypeKit |
| 18:26.55 | josephscott | and the PhoneGap guys |
| 18:27.41 | mindjuju | so just curious, how does this differ from google et al. doing an MCP - take over and absorb functions? |
| 18:29.05 | josephscott | not much |
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| 18:30.37 | mindjuju | @josephscott - so though are you saying adobe not as well managed or are you sayhing leave little companys alone? |
| 18:31.20 | josephscott | just a general fear that Adobe is going to make these products more annoying instead of less |
| 18:32.49 | mindjuju | you know, i never used delicio.us, but i remember your arguement ( at least i think it was yours) about how the service was ruined by yahoo |
| 18:32.59 | beandog | delicious is awesome |
| 18:33.09 | beandog | I can't imagine why yahoo gave it up |
| 18:33.14 | mindjuju | was sold by yahoo recently |
| 18:33.16 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:33.53 | mindjuju | i've been using xmarks, h aven't really looked around |
| 18:34.20 | josephscott | delicious (like many things I suppose) had several different issues on different levels going on |
| 18:34.44 | josephscott | at the time having delicious get bought by Yahoo didn't seem totally unreasonable |
| 18:34.58 | josephscott | heading out for a walk and some lunch, later guys |
| 18:35.31 | mindjuju | ah lunch |
| 18:43.32 | mgeary | hrm |
| 18:44.19 | mgeary | so i've got a rsync cron job that backs up some data in our network. However, it appears that it's seeing every file as having changed, and thus wants to re-copy everything every time |
| 18:44.42 | mgeary | i could use --size-only, but i'm not crazy about that |
| 18:49.18 | mgeary | i could use --checksum, but that'd take for-freaking-ever |
| 18:49.53 | mgeary | anyone know if there's a way to get rsync to tell you on what basis it believes the file has changed? (different perms, different date, different size, etc.) |
| 18:50.12 | jsmith | mgeary: You haven't been able to figure out the differences yourself? |
| 18:50.24 | jsmith | mgeary: Checksums match? Permissions match? ACLs match? |
| 18:50.30 | jsmith | mgeary: Extended attributes match? |
| 18:50.49 | mgeary | they may or may not. i'm already telling rsync to ignore owner, user, group, perms |
| 18:51.20 | mgeary | not sure how to get it to ignore extended attributes, i'd probably like that as well |
| 18:53.18 | jsmith | mgeary: Why not run "stat" on the files on both sides, and see what is different? |
| 18:53.44 | mgeary | cool. not used stat before. thanks |
| 18:54.13 | jsmith | Hopefully that helps :-) |
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| 19:49.02 | josephscott | patent trolls are back for more http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20111001/00365416161/patent-troll-says-anyone-using-wifi-infringes-wont-sue-individuals-this-stage.shtml |
| 19:53.49 | mgeary | Amanda Knox conviction was just overturned |
| 19:58.43 | josephscott | wow, I wonder if this guy meant this code to be a joke https://github.com/glenjamin/node-fib |
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| 20:01.58 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 20:02.41 | influx | :< |
| 20:02.53 | josephscott | the hacker news thread on that http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3067403 |
| 20:04.38 | beandog | I'm totally lost on what that even is. |
| 20:05.19 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: that's in reply to this http://joshuakehn.com/2011/10/3/Diagnosis-No-Cancer.html |
| 20:05.55 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: actually I think it is in reply to http://teddziuba.com/2011/10/node-js-is-cancer.html |
| 20:06.09 | DexterTheDragon | which the article is talking about |
| 20:06.46 | TuxToaster | lol @ "This code is the epitome of roflscale" |
| 20:08.49 | josephscott | yep, but if this is the right way to write node.js code https://github.com/glenjamin/node-fib/blob/master/app.js I'd be happy for most people to be wrong :-) |
| 20:09.31 | josephscott | it is bordering a bit on proper threading support, which people eventually learned was much harder to do correctly than it sounds |
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| 20:32.51 | beandog | anybody have a template for an incident report I can steal |
| 20:32.52 | beandog | :D |
| 20:40.32 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:40.42 | TuxToaster | "I broke it." |
| 20:40.56 | TuxToaster | "Umm... that's strange...." |
| 20:42.20 | TuxToaster | depends on how detailed you'd want, last place I worked that had a standard for it was basically a description of the problem, time it occured, length of issue, whether or not there was downtime caused and approximation of customers affected. |
| 20:49.50 | beandog | hmm I like that |
| 20:49.53 | beandog | thanks TuxToaster |
| 20:51.42 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 20:52.28 | mindjuju | this post is AWESOME, from same guy who wrote on node.js - The Craigslist Reverse Programmer Troll - http://teddziuba.com/2011/07/the-craigslist-reverse-programmer-troll.html |
| 20:53.34 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: LOL |
| 20:59.22 | herlo | mindjuju: that's AWEsome! |
| 20:59.30 | herlo | with a capital AWE! |
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| 21:01.46 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: our's looks something like this https://gist.github.com/1260237 |
| 21:02.24 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: wow that is *awesome* |
| 21:02.27 | beandog | I'm totally stealing that. |
| 21:02.57 | TuxToaster | DtD: nice one |
| 21:03.29 | TuxToaster | I'd have had some fun times reading the "Lessons Learned" responses. |
| 21:04.56 | TuxToaster | "don't overload circuits", "don't plug servers directly into the wall without surge protection" and "don't place mission critical boxes like your domain controllers under the raised floor" would have been commonplace. heh. |
| 21:05.34 | josephscott | don't trip over the network cable that I strung across the floor, that spans 60 feet from the switch to the server |
| 21:05.42 | TuxToaster | that one too |
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| 21:13.56 | influx | mao |
| 21:14.11 | mindjuju | as in chairman mao? |
| 21:18.27 | mindjuju | wow, i think this guy and eggyknap share a common hatred of mysql - http://teddziuba.com/2011/06/most-important-concept-systems-design.html |
| 21:18.46 | mindjuju | "Almost every SPOT violation I've seen stems, in one way or another, from MySQL's failure at being a database. Actually, most of the NoSQL catastrophe is a product of MySQL's perverse representation of the SQL spec, but that's not the drum I'm here to beat." |
| 21:18.55 | beandog | lol, love the image |
| 21:19.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:19.23 | mindjuju | knew it |
| 21:19.26 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:19.44 | eggyknap | Though I wouldn't call NoSQL a catastrophe -- it definitely has its place, but people jump to it because they think it solves everything, without realizing they needed something transactional all along. |
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| 21:31.06 | TuxToaster | LOL that image is great |
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| 21:49.35 | mindjuju | ouch, looks like dji took a heck of a pounding today -258 |
| 21:57.35 | jsmith | mindjuju: Whee! |
| 21:57.48 | mindjuju | buy! buy! buy! |
| 21:58.04 | mindjuju | you've got an optimism about the stock market i sadly don't share at this time |
| 21:58.30 | jsmith | For the long term, sure... |
| 21:58.39 | jsmith | If you're investing for the short term, you're holding it wrong |
| 21:59.16 | mindjuju | i know what you're saying, i understand the concepts |
| 21:59.28 | mindjuju | but i just don't think length of time mitigates the risks |
| 21:59.51 | mindjuju | take those people who have been buying for the last 50yrs, who just 2 yrs ago lost a lot of value |
| 21:59.59 | mindjuju | was risk mitigated by time ? |
| 22:01.45 | josephscott | mindjuju: what did DJIA close at 50 years ago? |
| 22:02.59 | mindjuju | how about i give you the info for 1971 as that's as far back as google goes back on a quick search |
| 22:03.17 | mindjuju | and that num is 816.59 |
| 22:03.36 | josephscott | and today? |
| 22:03.49 | mindjuju | 10655.30 |
| 22:04.32 | DexterTheDragon | yay inflation |
| 22:04.35 | josephscott | so you'd be up 9839 |
| 22:05.09 | josephscott | 9839 / 40 = 245 increase per year |
| 22:05.34 | josephscott | 245 / 816 = 30% |
| 22:05.46 | josephscott | does that math sound right? |
| 22:06.37 | influx | Yeah. |
| 22:07.16 | josephscott | so a 30% increase each year, for 40 years |
| 22:07.21 | josephscott | I'd totally take that |
| 22:07.35 | josephscott | unless my math is completely off base, in which case all bets are off ;-) |
| 22:07.39 | skinner | http://bit.ly/hbRWrs |
| 22:09.11 | josephscott | also keep in mind shifting strategies, for instance it is common for 529 plans to offer plans that gradually move money to lower risk items the closer you get to using the money |
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| 22:11.36 | josephscott | if you threw inflation at that number I could imagine it being more like 15% (or so), in terms of actual purchasing power |
| 22:11.52 | josephscott | even if it was 10% though, I'd totally take it |
| 22:12.05 | jsmith | josephscott: Well, it's not that simple, as the components of the DJIA have changed over time |
| 22:12.13 | jsmith | josephscott: It also doesn't account for stock splits, etc. |
| 22:12.20 | josephscott | some interesting data here - http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/12/100_year_bull_b.html |
| 22:12.27 | jsmith | And there's the end of knowledge :-p |
| 22:12.49 | josephscott | jsmith: yep, lots of other variables, I was just looking at actual $$, not really caring where they came from :-) |
| 22:14.43 | josephscott | this guy says 5.8% for the last 50 years - http://larrycheng.com/2010/01/01/u-s-stock-performance-over-50-years/ - but doesn't link to any sources |
| 22:15.56 | josephscott | mindjuju: here we go, this looks like some good data on DJIA for that last 100+ years http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/djia1900.html |
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| 22:16.46 | josephscott | in 1952 it looks like it closed some where around 275 (ish) |
| 22:20.01 | beandog | Okay |
| 22:20.06 | beandog | I can't go on without food! |
| 22:20.57 | josephscott | ~give beandog a donut |
| 22:20.57 | ibot | ACTION gives a donut to beandog |
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| 22:28.17 | influx | Will someone please try accessing http://www.hellofount.com/ ? |
| 22:28.32 | mindjuju | no worky |
| 22:28.39 | influx | K. :( |
| 22:28.44 | influx | Thanks. |
| 22:28.52 | ninnypants | the linode in freemont is down |
| 22:29.04 | ninnypants | oops fremont |
| 22:29.05 | ninnypants | http://status.linode.com/ |
| 22:29.17 | jsmith | Again? |
| 22:29.43 | influx | ninnypants: I kept thinking that said Sept. 03 |
| 22:29.55 | influx | Checked it earlier so I was confused. |
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| 22:34.13 | ninnypants | yeah I've been sitting waiting for it to come back online so I can get back to work |
| 22:41.04 | beandog | Whut |
| 22:41.07 | beandog | Its down, again |
| 22:41.08 | beandog | man |
| 22:42.27 | beandog | They should fire their whole staff down there |
| 22:42.28 | beandog | freek |
| 22:42.37 | beandog | okay that's a bit extreme |
| 22:42.40 | beandog | but they always have network issues |
| 22:43.45 | jsmith | Look on the bright side... they'll give everyone an extra 16 megs of memory for their troubles |
| 22:44.10 | influx | I could totally use that 16MB. I'm pushing things as it is with 1% of capacity being used. |
| 22:44.40 | beandog | me too |
| 22:49.10 | TuxToaster | I have to wonder if our node is in Fremont as well. I don't have access to the CP but it's been really flaky today |
| 22:49.12 | mindjuju | what did you get for lunch beandog? |
| 22:49.19 | beandog | mindjuju: pbh |
| 22:49.22 | beandog | sammich |
| 22:49.30 | mindjuju | sounds yum |
| 22:49.36 | mindjuju | having allergies over there? |
| 22:49.37 | TuxToaster | though can't entirely tell if that's the node or the office connection |
| 22:49.47 | beandog | mindjuju: whut? no. |
| 22:49.58 | mindjuju | oh was wondering about this itchy problem |
| 22:50.06 | beandog | TuxToaster: do a geoip lookup |
| 22:50.10 | beandog | mindjuju: man I think I just have dry skin |
| 22:50.15 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:50.20 | beandog | I'm used to the humidity of Georgia's endless forests. |
| 22:50.32 | TuxToaster | beandog: good idea |
| 22:50.51 | mindjuju | yeah, i've been here 10yrs and i still am not used to this air so dry, it's like walking thorugh sandpaper |
| 22:50.58 | mindjuju | feeling |
| 22:51.14 | beandog | rage move! |
| 22:51.15 | TuxToaster | ah nope, says it's in New Jersey |
| 22:51.40 | mindjuju | if itimber can move, so will i! |
| 22:52.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:56.51 | itimber | haha |
| 22:57.17 | mindjuju | itimber, beandog and i were just complaining about the clime up here |
| 22:57.50 | mindjuju | how are things in kansas city? |
| 22:57.54 | itimber | oh gotcha |
| 22:58.02 | itimber | going well |
| 22:58.11 | itimber | the humidity was crazy during the summer |
| 22:58.20 | itimber | but it's calmed down, and really nice right now |
| 22:58.29 | itimber | we just moved across town |
| 22:58.37 | mindjuju | i always get weird stares, but i for one love the humidity |
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| 22:58.46 | mindjuju | no dry skin |
| 22:58.56 | mindjuju | course, winters are hard |
| 22:59.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:59.09 | itimber | ya |
| 22:59.36 | itimber | how's your little guy?!? |
| 22:59.40 | itimber | haven't seen him for years |
| 22:59.42 | itimber | :( |
| 23:00.03 | mindjuju | Corban? he's doing well. i've got to try to get home before 7p tonight so we can play some minecraft |
| 23:00.15 | itimber | haha⦠nice |
| 23:00.38 | mindjuju | how about your fam? |
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| 23:01.02 | itimber | can't wait till my boys are old enough for that stuff |
| 23:01.07 | itimber | we're good |
| 23:01.20 | itimber | we haven't started school yet, due to the move |
| 23:01.30 | itimber | we educate at home |
| 23:01.45 | mindjuju | home school? what are you guys using for math? |
| 23:01.58 | mindjuju | we're liking saxon math, but i'm always got my ears on for ideas |
| 23:02.14 | mindjuju | corban goes to public school, but we supplement at home |
| 23:04.54 | macnewbold | ~home school++ |
| 23:05.12 | macnewbold | we used to home school too, before we started taking the kids to a bilingual charter school |
| 23:05.22 | macnewbold | (my wife wouldn't be able to teach them spanish at home) |
| 23:06.01 | mindjuju | we mulled bilingualism, but opted for increased reading / math |
| 23:06.16 | mindjuju | though when he hits 5th we're going latin |
| 23:07.42 | beandog | latin? |
| 23:07.44 | beandog | srsly? |
| 23:07.53 | beandog | poor kid. |
| 23:08.02 | mindjuju | i make it worth his while |
| 23:10.26 | itimber | sorry⦠boss walked in and got chatty |
| 23:12.11 | itimber | I'll check on the math⦠we've purchased many systems over the couple years we've had school aged kids |
| 23:12.25 | itimber | I think we're trying Bob Jones this year |
| 23:13.01 | itimber | but we've done saxton and one or two others |
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| 23:13.26 | itimber | It's a private college on the east coast that puts that one out |
| 23:13.39 | itimber | abeca is another we've used |
| 23:13.45 | itimber | not sure on the spelling |
| 23:14.22 | itimber | and saxton |
| 23:14.30 | itimber | there are others though |
| 23:14.35 | itimber | I just don't remember |
| 23:14.43 | mindjuju | both of those came up |
| 23:15.43 | itimber | sonlight and calvert sound familiar |
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| 23:26.04 | beandog | mindjuju: whats that |
| 23:26.21 | mindjuju | firefox being mad at apache |
| 23:26.33 | mindjuju | did yousee that firefox is at ver7.1 ? |
| 23:26.38 | itimber | bad FF |
| 23:26.41 | mindjuju | i just like 3 versions in a month or 2 |
| 23:26.49 | itimber | ya |
| 23:26.54 | itimber | crazy! |
| 23:28.14 | beandog | I went to Chrome and haven't looked back |
| 23:28.34 | beandog | Chrome = simple and awesome |
| 23:29.01 | mindjuju | i like chrome too |
| 23:30.16 | josephscott | mindjuju: remember the craigslist post you linked to? http://uphpu.org/2011/10/03/php-web-entrepreneurs/ |
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| 23:31.15 | mindjuju | yuup |
| 23:31.29 | mindjuju | oh funny |
| 23:32.08 | mindjuju | well, their website is off to a good start! http://playerstour.com/ |
| 23:32.31 | itimber | hey⦠I do that w/ my new domains too |
| 23:32.34 | itimber | don't knock it |
| 23:32.36 | itimber | :) |
| 23:32.38 | beandog | wait, what's going on on wall st? |
| 23:32.58 | mindjuju | you mean the dji drop today or the occupywallst link i sent you earlier? |
| 23:33.05 | beandog | uh |
| 23:33.08 | beandog | ? |
| 23:33.09 | beandog | I dunno |
| 23:33.26 | mindjuju | well, there are several things going on, on wall street today |
| 23:33.38 | mindjuju | there are a group of citizens sitting in the plaza protesting |
| 23:33.57 | mindjuju | and they have fellow protestors in cities that want to sit in, but don't ahve the opportunity, that's what i sent |
| 23:34.06 | beandog | ah okay |
| 23:34.19 | mindjuju | and then earlier, i posted the dji being -258 and got a lecture from jsmith and josephscott that it wasn't so bad |
| 23:34.32 | beandog | oh yah I meant the protests |
| 23:35.05 | mindjuju | and they have an overall optimistic outlook on the long term |
| 23:35.14 | beandog | we are the 99% |
| 23:35.16 | beandog | that's a good tagline |
| 23:36.14 | mindjuju | well, let's go on saturday and check it out, i'm sure DtD would be up for it |
| 23:36.22 | josephscott | I was just trying to find a way to answer mindjuju's question :-) |
| 23:38.26 | beandog | mindjuju: how can protestors legally be arrested? I don't get that. :T |
| 23:39.48 | mindjuju | really depends on what camp you're in as to how you perceive things |
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| 23:41.27 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://www.indecisionforever.com/2011/09/30/the-daily-show-on-the-occupy-wall-street-demonstrations/ |
| 23:41.42 | beandog | how you perceive things? |
| 23:43.41 | mindjuju | to be fair, i'm not sure, i want to go and see at occupationslc, i have read the main website, there are issues to be corrected |
| 23:45.09 | beandog | needs more lolcats, for one |
| 23:45.38 | beandog | interesting times though |
| 23:45.50 | mindjuju | no doubt |
| 23:46.16 | beandog | not to be pessimistic, but I wonder what would actually change |
| 23:47.56 | beandog | unemployment seems to be the general point of issues |
| 23:48.02 | beandog | *issue |
| 23:51.25 | mindjuju | @beandog - look for list of proposed demands - http://occupywallst.org/forum/detailed-list-of-demands-overview-of-tactics-for-d/ |
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| 23:53.46 | beandog | mindjuju: wow, okay, that was a well compiled list of demands. I approve. |