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| 15:02.34 | mindjuju | another browser that is using aws for backup brains? |
| 15:02.41 | mindjuju | that could be cool |
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| 15:11.00 | TuxToaster | morning |
| 15:11.29 | mindjuju | morning TuxToaster |
| 15:11.40 | mindjuju | did you see the stuff on the new amazon browser? |
| 15:12.28 | TuxToaster | nope, not yet |
| 15:12.41 | mindjuju | http://amazonsilk.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/introducing-amazon-silk/ |
| 15:13.20 | TuxToaster | interesting |
| 15:13.30 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 15:14.21 | mindjuju | having aws to offload some of the computing for the browser, that could open up some very cool apps |
| 15:14.46 | TuxToaster | makes you wonder how bandwidth will play into that though, if your connection isn't great or is running slow |
| 15:14.57 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 15:15.18 | mindjuju | i wonder what internet games will look like if you've got aws to do the number crunching for you |
| 15:15.39 | TuxToaster | could be interesting |
| 15:16.07 | TuxToaster | peer-to-peer type stuff, with the work being split across each browser instance |
| 15:16.20 | TuxToaster | so the dev isn't having to host a mass of servers |
| 15:16.43 | mindjuju | yup |
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| 15:21.24 | influx | FIRST!!!! |
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| 15:34.15 | macnewbold | ~seen josephscott |
| 15:34.29 | ibot | josephscott <~josephsco@208.95.152.44> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 16h 33m 39s ago, saying: 'if you are looking for something fun to try during the next election http://www.salon.com/news/2012_elections/index.html?story=/politics/elections/2011/09/27/votinghack'. |
| 15:43.05 | TuxToaster | $lart josephscott because he's not here to defend himself |
| 15:43.06 | raifbot | eats josephscott because he's not here to defend himself and falls over dead. |
| 15:43.18 | TuxToaster | haha. |
| 15:52.13 | influx | haha |
| 15:56.42 | carmony | who here has heard of turnable fm? |
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| 15:58.11 | TuxToaster | I heard it in passing once but that's about it |
| 15:59.19 | mindjuju | sunsparc and i think influx are the big advocates right now |
| 15:59.43 | mindjuju | the fb app wants to read my contact list, so i've not installed it at this time |
| 15:59.48 | carmony | its actually kinda cool |
| 15:59.52 | mgeary | so, i'm reading joseph's link, and i find this sentence: |
| 15:59.58 | carmony | but yeah, it bugs it is FB only |
| 16:00.07 | mgeary | "Almost all voters in states like Georgia, Maryland, Utah and Nevada, and the majority of voters in..." |
| 16:00.21 | mgeary | what exactly are states like Georgia, Maryland, Utah and Nevada? |
| 16:00.35 | mgeary | i mean, is Kentucky like them? |
| 16:00.41 | mgeary | how about North Dakota? |
| 16:08.02 | macnewbold | i assumed "like" in this case meant states that have fully moved to electronic voting. |
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| 17:05.29 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: ping |
| 17:06.13 | fungus | DtD: pone |
| 17:06.21 | fungus | s/e/g/ |
| 17:06.39 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: what's the best irc daemon? |
| 17:07.01 | fungus | I've only used one, and it sucks |
| 17:07.15 | fungus | don't use the stock ircd |
| 17:07.42 | DexterTheDragon | well that narrows down the list |
| 17:08.45 | josephscott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_daemons ? |
| 17:09.21 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: yeah |
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| 17:17.20 | herlo | fungus: ircd-seven ftw! |
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| 17:41.19 | JacobEdmondKerr | <3 Objects. |
| 17:41.29 | _clint_ | For any Magento guys out there, the xcommerce team will be at BYU tonight for the entrepreneur night. http://t.co/Hsp46xSC |
| 17:41.44 | mgeary | i always read that as Magneto |
| 17:42.03 | _clint_ | I have clients that still call it that |
| 17:42.19 | mgeary | i just call is Reeking Spawn of Satan |
| 17:42.42 | _clint_ | Had some problems in the past? ;-) |
| 17:42.46 | JacobEdmondKerr | Heh Joomla spawn of Satan! |
| 17:42.50 | mgeary | actually, i've never used it |
| 17:43.01 | mgeary | i just like to start fights |
| 17:49.53 | JacobEdmondKerr | Is it better to create multiple MySQL queries for the sake of keeping things seperate such as regional pricing, broker pricing etc. or one query to pull all of that information at once? Guess the question is does taking one query and making them 3 dif queries that run seperatly hurt run time much? |
| 17:51.36 | jsmith | JacobEdmondKerr: Do them in one... use JOINs to pull results from different tables as necessary |
| 17:51.40 | jsmith | Doh, he just left... |
| 17:51.55 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: I'd be curious to know what your ircd research turns up |
| 17:53.10 | josephscott | macnewbold: another option to search for duplicate PHP code: http://blog.jetbrains.com/webide/2011/09/search-for-code-duplicates-in-phpstorm/ |
| 18:13.07 | herlo | mgeary: me too, especially when I had to type it a lot when working with skullcandy :) |
| 18:15.40 | herlo | mgeary: me too, especially when I had to type it a lot when working with skullcandy :) |
| 18:16.10 | herlo | aww, the 1-yo hit the up arrow |
| 18:28.21 | macnewbold | josephscott: cool, thanks. i'll have to take a look. |
| 18:28.49 | josephscott | no idea if it is any good, figured it would be another option |
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| 20:03.55 | mindjuju | jsmith, you around? |
| 20:04.06 | jsmith | mindjuju: Guilty as charged |
| 20:04.22 | jsmith | mindjuju: (at least, virtually speaking... geographically, I'm further away than you want to know about right now) |
| 20:04.58 | mindjuju | as long as that doesn't mean that you're using IRC in the bathroom whilst using the facilities, i think i'm fine |
| 20:05.18 | mindjuju | now, in your former life as asterisk guru, I'm wondering |
| 20:05.37 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:05.38 | mindjuju | is it possible to have your 800 num setup so that it travels through 2 sip providers? |
| 20:05.59 | mindjuju | for redundancy purposes? |
| 20:07.02 | jsmith | mindjuju: Not easily, no. |
| 20:07.36 | TuxToaster | jsmith: ? |
| 20:07.55 | TuxToaster | I guess it depends on what he is looking for |
| 20:07.56 | jsmith | mindjuju: Unless you get really tricky, and add a bunch of additional points of failure, or do something like SS7 |
| 20:08.23 | TuxToaster | but you can have it try provider1 and if that doesn't establish a call then try provider2, etc. |
| 20:08.43 | jsmith | mindjuju: The easiest way is to ask your provider to failover to a non-SIP connection in the event of certain types of failures |
| 20:09.02 | jsmith | mindjuju: But telling when and why that has happened is fraught with peril |
| 20:09.44 | mindjuju | so does this work for inbound as well as outbound? |
| 20:09.47 | mindjuju | here is what i mean |
| 20:10.29 | mindjuju | back in March, veracity (our sip provider) went down for about 40 minutes, back a few weeks ago, they veracity went down for a few hours |
| 20:10.41 | mindjuju | the outbound isn't nearly as big a deal for us as inbound |
| 20:11.00 | jsmith | Right... outbound is easy to multi-home |
| 20:11.19 | jsmith | The question is -- when Veracity went down -- *what* on their end went down? |
| 20:11.40 | jsmith | Their voice switch? Their IP network? Their SBC? They're upstream telephony provider? |
| 20:11.48 | jsmith | s/They're/Their/ |
| 20:12.22 | mindjuju | you know, i'm not sure htough i could find out. i know there were a lot of people affected |
| 20:12.30 | mindjuju | i should get a better understanding on that |
| 20:13.25 | jsmith | If my provider did that, and couldn't give me a good and detailed explanation of at least which parts of their system failed, they'd no longer be my provider |
| 20:13.31 | jsmith | Just sayin'... |
| 20:14.20 | TuxToaster | ah. I thought he was going for outbound 800 traffic. |
| 20:14.29 | TuxToaster | that's what I get for half-reading |
| 20:14.43 | mindjuju | srry wasn't clearer |
| 20:15.15 | mindjuju | so i'm going to find out what was the cause of the outage so we can plan for an appropriate redundancy response |
| 20:15.37 | mindjuju | and it sounds like redundancy for inbound is difficult at best |
| 20:15.54 | mindjuju | how do other companies compenste for this then, like call center companies? |
| 20:18.18 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: if I might add to what jsmith was saying, the thing is your 800 number can usually be set up to point at more than one provider, depending on who is actually controlling the number, etc. |
| 20:18.39 | TuxToaster | But the issue is if veracity's switch is able to accept the call but then has trouble reaching your network because of some issue with their IP routing, the failover probably wouldn't happen since the connection "went through" on one leg but not the other |
| 20:20.41 | mindjuju | so in that situation, we could be able to switch over from using both veracity sip and brandX sip to just brandX and still get the calls |
| 20:20.53 | mindjuju | in the failure that happened, the qwest lines were fine |
| 20:21.26 | mindjuju | am i understand right? |
| 20:23.22 | TuxToaster | it depends on your setup to be honest, if the provider that manages your 800 number can do failover setups or not is a big one |
| 20:23.36 | TuxToaster | and how the number is routed |
| 20:25.29 | TuxToaster | at the call center I worked at we had a handful of providers dpending on the numbers they were managing, we did have it set up with most of them that if our main box was down they could go direct to a backup sip server, but we still had problems at times |
| 20:26.58 | TuxToaster | I mean, in theory you could do exactly what you just said, go to your 800 provider and switch off Veracity and it would work fine, but there are a lot of variables |
| 20:28.09 | TuxToaster | one office I worked at we just had a DID with Vonage that was pointed to Vocalocity for sip, and when Vocalocity would go down we could go in and change it over to a landline and have it up and working that way in a matter of minutes. |
| 20:31.21 | mindjuju | not confusing :) |
| 20:32.57 | TuxToaster | it's one of those things where it *can* be done, but is dependant on a few factors. Plus like jsmith said, it also depends on *why* the provider is down as to whether or not failover is automatic. |
| 20:54.34 | skinner | ~skinner skinner |
| 20:54.35 | ibot | ACTION buries skinner in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 20:56.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:56.40 | TuxToaster | mmm. bacon. |
| 20:57.31 | TuxToaster | skinner: I think you're on to something. You need to wire the power button up. |
| 20:57.32 | TuxToaster | http://mdbizmedia.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/push-button-receive-bacon.png |
| 20:57.48 | TuxToaster | a bacon producing computer. |
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| 20:58.16 | skinner | Maybe I have the wrong language drivers for the bacon |
| 20:58.28 | TuxToaster | bacon should be universal |
| 20:58.55 | TuxToaster | USB. Universal Smoked Bacon. |
| 20:59.02 | TuxToaster | or something. |
| 20:59.04 | JacobEdmondKerr | I found out today that using a JOIN on a table with a ton of rows in it against another table with thousands of rows uses allot of memory even if it does not return many rows heh. |
| 21:00.00 | skinner | Ah, found the problem, my laptop is missing this: http://bit.ly/p1pMI9 |
| 21:00.08 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 21:00.18 | JacobEdmondKerr | Mmmm.. |
| 21:00.22 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: indexes help |
| 21:00.27 | TuxToaster | or is it indices... |
| 21:01.19 | JacobEdmondKerr | Was using indexes. |
| 21:02.15 | josephscott | are you sure? What did EXPLAIN say? |
| 21:02.39 | josephscott | and sometimes you end up with temp tables to sort the resulted items, which can slow things down |
| 21:03.40 | TuxToaster | don't mind me. weird mood today. :-) |
| 21:05.02 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: if your EXPLAIN output mentions Using filesort or Using temporary that's definitely something to optimize. Depending on the query you might get Using join buffer as well. |
| 21:06.03 | JacobEdmondKerr | Cool did not know about EXPLAIN. I still have much to learn about MySQL |
| 21:07.05 | JacobEdmondKerr | Plus I think you're right I was not using indexes properly. The old query: http://pastebin.com/nXVEYnRT |
| 21:07.18 | TuxToaster | oof |
| 21:07.42 | TuxToaster | JOIN and OR is not a good combo :-) |
| 21:07.59 | josephscott | yikes, I think I'd go with IN to make those lists more manageable |
| 21:08.08 | TuxToaster | because it can't use indexes since it has to check the OR on every row |
| 21:08.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah I took out the JOIN on nf_locations and the server stoped crashing LOL. |
| 21:08.33 | JacobEdmondKerr | OH.. |
| 21:08.54 | JacobEdmondKerr | It's not really my query I was just fixing it because the server was crashing because of it. |
| 21:09.00 | TuxToaster | ah |
| 21:09.21 | TuxToaster | still. heh. That query needs some love. |
| 21:09.32 | TuxToaster | with a souring pad. |
| 21:09.56 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yes. Good to know. In the future I will def. not use AND / OR on a JOIN |
| 21:10.25 | JacobEdmondKerr | Plus I'm def. going to check out EXPLAIN |
| 21:11.12 | jsmith | JacobEdmondKerr: You can, you just have to be careful about it |
| 21:14.07 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: sometimes you can't avoid it, if you need the condition |
| 21:14.20 | JacobEdmondKerr | I have learned allot chatting with you guys the last few yrs. <3 UPHPU. |
| 21:14.22 | TuxToaster | but if you do it right, it can make use of indexes because it knows which cases to check for |
| 21:14.40 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: my quick 30-second rewrite of the list: |
| 21:14.41 | TuxToaster | (bl.itemType = "tour" AND bl.itemID IN (13, 38, 15, 28, 16, 36, 31, 37, 10, 17, 30, 27, 39, 40, 32, 34, 18, 22)) OR (bl.itemType = "mileage") |
| 21:15.09 | JacobEdmondKerr | Sweet. |
| 21:15.27 | TuxToaster | in that case it would know to match all records with "mileage" in the type column, or records with "tour" that have one of those IDs. |
| 21:15.32 | TuxToaster | much cleaner. :-) |
| 21:15.56 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yes that is much cleaner. |
| 21:17.26 | TuxToaster | my theory on database queries... if they take longer than a couple of seconds to run, UR DOIN IT WRONG. lol. |
| 21:17.58 | TuxToaster | I used to work with too many people that would brag about how they "fixed" a report that used to take 20 minutes to run and now only took 5-10 minutes. Drove me nuts. |
| 21:20.20 | TuxToaster | they'd always try to say that there was just so much data to look through, etc. etc. but all it took was some reorg of the data and a few indexes and we could do a fulltext search for any word or phrase in 7 years worth of support tickets in .03 sec. :-) |
| 21:25.09 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 21:25.09 | ibot | ACTION calls Tim to stake out herlo |
| 21:31.58 | JacobEdmondKerr | Anyone know of a good solution for saving data copied from MS Word all those special characters coming up as ? if I change the column to UTF-8 will that fix it? |
| 21:32.44 | TuxToaster | if the characters are UTF-8 that will help |
| 21:33.01 | herlo | mindjuju: yes? |
| 21:33.24 | mindjuju | i want to say curly quotes still gave me a prob in UTF-8 |
| 21:33.26 | TuxToaster | but it also depends on what you're doing with the data. Some chars might get stripped out if you run the string through a function before you store it |
| 21:33.30 | mindjuju | herlo, what was it i was going to ask you |
| 21:34.13 | herlo | dunno |
| 21:34.36 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: there are a few examples of scripts floating around where you can find and replace unicode chars with their HTML values |
| 21:34.49 | TuxToaster | if you're displaying the content on a page that might be a good way to go |
| 21:35.08 | TuxToaster | ~apb ibot |
| 21:35.08 | ibot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to find ibot |
| 21:35.13 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:35.18 | JacobEdmondKerr | displaying in textarea and also pulling into a flash window. |
| 21:35.41 | TuxToaster | hmm. |
| 21:35.59 | mgeary | ~seen beandog |
| 21:36.14 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 21h 44m 30s ago, saying: 'Now with spanky artwork :D'. |
| 21:36.14 | TuxToaster | yeah you might run into some encoding issues that way |
| 21:36.16 | JacobEdmondKerr | I may just need to create a function to clean all the stuff out. str_replace or something. |
| 21:36.35 | TuxToaster | say if you have a character that Windows recognizes that other OSes don't |
| 21:36.51 | TuxToaster | then that char would get strippped out or broken when edited on a non-Windows obx |
| 21:36.53 | TuxToaster | box* |
| 21:37.07 | TuxToaster | preg_replace would be a better option there IMO. |
| 21:37.15 | JacobEdmondKerr | K. |
| 21:37.20 | TuxToaster | you can replace regex patterns instead of specific strings |
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| 21:40.43 | TuxToaster | JacobEdmondKerr: http://pastie.org/2607919 |
| 21:41.08 | TuxToaster | there are a couple of functions I have used before (both copied from php.net at some point I believe) |
| 21:41.25 | JacobEdmondKerr | Sweet thanks :) |
| 21:41.28 | TuxToaster | the top one has a long list of characters in it, so it scrolls quite a bit to the right |
| 21:41.43 | TuxToaster | the bottom one is probably more what you're after if you decide to just replace the quotes directly |
| 21:42.13 | TuxToaster | actually looks like I had it using a combination of the two, xml_encode calls the xmlentities function |
| 21:43.25 | TuxToaster | those quotes and such play havoc on XML |
| 21:44.11 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah I have users copying and pasting stuff in from Word Doc and complaining because the special characters are showing up as ? etc. |
| 21:44.40 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
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| 22:32.56 | mindjuju | ugh, somebody just walked in with cologne thick enough to choke a horse! this is awful! |
| 22:33.08 | herlo | choke them! |
| 22:33.34 | herlo | you should have some febreze around just for that occasion. Find who it is and 'febreze' them :) |
| 22:33.36 | mindjuju | yheah, i should setup fans to blow the foulness back at them |
| 22:33.45 | herlo | or that |
| 22:34.47 | mindjuju | it sad that some people don't realize that when cologne comes in a gallon jug marked $5, that doesn't mean it is a great value |
| 22:34.52 | mindjuju | and that likely something is wrong |
| 22:35.06 | mindjuju | and what's worse, is that at a gallon of the stuff, they seem to drench themselves in it |
| 22:36.04 | herlo | lol |
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| 23:39.14 | mgeary | anyone here have good experience integrating with Facebook? |
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