| 00:00.00 | _clint_ | carmony: If you are still there, I just downloaded Sublime Text 2, and I like it pretty well. It has some good plugins for php as well |
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| 00:03.40 | ninnypants | _clint_: it has a bunch of PHP stuff already built in |
| 00:04.10 | _clint_ | ninnypants: I feel like I missed the boat on this one |
| 00:04.23 | _clint_ | ninnypants: I hadn't even heard of it until last week. It is awesome |
| 00:05.57 | ninnypants | really I've mentioned it in here a few times |
| 00:06.25 | mindjuju | i tend to have ninnypants on ignore, that's why i never heard of it |
| 00:06.29 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 00:06.33 | mindjuju | jk ninnypants |
| 00:06.41 | mindjuju | i'm tired and hungry |
| 00:06.47 | ninnypants | especially since it works on linux mac and windows |
| 00:07.07 | ninnypants | mindjuju: no worries I do too ;) |
| 00:10.24 | _clint_ | ninnypants: I have the group open, but I don't watch it regularly. I guess I need to more. |
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| 00:10.56 | ninnypants | _clint_: are you not herlo? |
| 00:11.47 | _clint_ | ninnypants: herlo? |
| 00:12.03 | mindjuju | ninnypants1 _clint_ != herlo |
| 00:12.06 | _clint_ | ninnypants: I am not sure what you mean |
| 00:12.15 | mindjuju | _clint_: herlo is a person in the IRC |
| 00:12.22 | mindjuju | who happens to be named clint |
| 00:12.22 | _clint_ | ninnypants: oh, ha ha. No I am not |
| 00:12.35 | ninnypants | ok makes sense |
| 00:12.42 | _clint_ | he must be the one who added my blog to utah open source world or whatever |
| 00:12.47 | _clint_ | he mentioned his name was clint |
| 00:21.46 | herlo | mindjuju: my name is also Clint |
| 00:21.47 | herlo | :) |
| 00:21.56 | herlo | s/mindjuju/_clint_/ |
| 00:23.48 | mindjuju | huh |
| 00:23.56 | mindjuju | didn't i say that ^^ ? |
| 00:24.07 | mindjuju | (6:12:15 PM) mindjuju: _clint_: herlo is a person in the IRC |
| 00:24.07 | mindjuju | (6:12:22 PM) mindjuju: who happens to be named clint |
| 00:24.10 | herlo | mindjuju: I realized |
| 00:24.17 | mindjuju | ah |
| 00:24.18 | herlo | 18:21 <+herlo> s/mindjuju/_clint_/ |
| 00:24.30 | mindjuju | i thought for a moment that you might be going for a capital c in your name |
| 00:24.32 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:24.35 | herlo | lol |
| 00:24.50 | mindjuju | k, i'm out, be back online after i put corban to bed |
| 00:24.59 | mindjuju | herlo, did you see jen facebook comment |
| 00:25.20 | herlo | not yet |
| 00:25.28 | mindjuju | she misses you |
| 00:25.37 | mindjuju | she's a good woman, treat her nice and bring her a present |
| 00:25.43 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:26.08 | herlo | lol |
| 00:26.09 | herlo | okay |
| 00:27.55 | herlo | mindjuju: Problem is, I get home on Saturday |
| 00:28.14 | mindjuju | :( |
| 00:28.56 | herlo | indeed |
| 00:29.02 | herlo | mindjuju: you should have gone to Ignite SLC |
| 00:29.12 | herlo | in fact, you still can |
| 00:29.18 | herlo | starts at 7 or 7:30 iirc |
| 00:43.48 | _clint_ | oh I forgot about ignite slc. My cousin is presenting on MatchTrade.com |
| 00:44.01 | herlo | you should go |
| 00:44.07 | herlo | it's worth it |
| 00:44.33 | _clint_ | I will talk to the wife and try to head down |
| 00:45.10 | herlo | :) have fun |
| 00:45.54 | herlo | _clint_: tell her it's a free date. Tons of fun, too! |
| 00:46.07 | herlo | plus, you can go for coffee or ice cream or something afterward |
| 00:47.16 | _clint_ | herlo: Ha ha, okay, i will tell her |
| 00:47.23 | herlo | :) |
| 00:47.44 | herlo | there are videos on their site, have her watch one, it will convince her :) |
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| 08:40.11 | influx | D |
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| 15:38.56 | mindjuju | thx winxp for teaching everybody they too can run around as admin! admin access on xp is not enough to do anything really productive and far more than enough to have a virus foob your computer |
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| 16:00.46 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> UPHPU | Utah PHP Users Group | Sept 15 Meeting: Steve Meyers on PHP Security, 7pm @C7 Bluffdale |
| 16:01.04 | mahelious | just saw that citydeals has been shuttered. how sad. |
| 16:03.53 | mindjuju | a lot of competition in that space |
| 16:04.10 | mindjuju | google just launched theirs, they have beta signup out for slc |
| 16:05.00 | mindjuju | personally i think there is going to be maximum rue-age on the part of groupon |
| 16:05.09 | mgeary | no kidding |
| 16:06.25 | _clint_ | herlo: How was ignite salt lake? |
| 16:10.08 | ninnypants | _clint_: herlo isn't in Utah right now so he didn't go ;) |
| 16:10.18 | beandog | wow, everybody top posts on the ML |
| 16:10.20 | beandog | what a bunch of slackers |
| 16:10.47 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I think Groupon is crashing and burning right now |
| 16:11.05 | beandog | ninnypants: didnt they reject a buyout offer from google? |
| 16:11.07 | mindjuju | sadly so, a great concept, not the first guys to do it |
| 16:11.13 | ninnypants | they released incorrect financials when applying for ipo |
| 16:11.18 | mindjuju | @beandog, yeah |
| 16:11.23 | beandog | whoopsie fail |
| 16:11.30 | mindjuju | it was in the 100mil area if i recall |
| 16:11.32 | beandog | isn't that like the entrepreneurial dream? get bought out by google? |
| 16:11.33 | mindjuju | maybe more |
| 16:11.44 | ninnypants | it was 5 or 6billion |
| 16:11.51 | beandog | billion? |
| 16:11.52 | mindjuju | was it really? |
| 16:11.53 | mahelious | beandog: only for the c-levels |
| 16:12.34 | ninnypants | http://mashable.com/2010/11/30/google-groupon-6-billion/ |
| 16:12.59 | beandog | that's a lot of cash |
| 16:13.00 | ninnypants | but yeah turns out groupon isn't making any money |
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| 16:13.23 | mindjuju | i tells everybody here, if google offers to buy, take it |
| 16:13.30 | ninnypants | last I read at least |
| 16:13.42 | beandog | I want google to buy FB |
| 16:14.02 | mindjuju | i actually haven't done a whole lot of fb lately |
| 16:14.03 | ninnypants | beandog: I'd rather facebook just stop existing |
| 16:14.04 | mindjuju | too busy |
| 16:14.33 | mindjuju | just enough time to sweep in do a couple of "likes" and wish happy bday and then back off |
| 16:15.23 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I think selling to google would depend on what you want if you're happy with your small business and where you're at and like the lifestyle there's no real reason to sell |
| 16:16.13 | mindjuju | why not sell and start something new? |
| 16:16.19 | mindjuju | ride the wave again, as it were? |
| 16:16.40 | beandog | mindjuju: thats what Id do |
| 16:16.56 | mindjuju | i don't want ya'll thinking i'm lazy, but i'm totally stopping once i make enough that i could live on interest / investments |
| 16:17.19 | beandog | I'd only t hink you were lazy if you decided to stop before than |
| 16:17.20 | mindjuju | $8ball will i ever make enough to live on interest / investments ? |
| 16:17.20 | raifbot | mindjuju - Yes. |
| 16:17.20 | beandog | then |
| 16:17.32 | mindjuju | woot! |
| 16:17.34 | beandog | $8ball is mindjuju an interesting investment? |
| 16:17.35 | raifbot | beandog - My sources say no. |
| 16:17.40 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 16:17.43 | mindjuju | i'm a dullard |
| 16:18.16 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I think it depends on your passion level if you do really good with a lifestyle busness and someone wants to buy it why would you give up on working on something you're passionate about and want to do all the time to work on something else? |
| 16:18.49 | mindjuju | because i'd rather be with my family, my main passion |
| 16:18.52 | mindjuju | that and fish |
| 16:19.03 | mindjuju | oh and minecraft, that's fun too |
| 16:19.18 | mindjuju | and some time for UTOS |
| 16:19.28 | mindjuju | and a little school |
| 16:20.01 | _clint_ | ninnypants: Was it you who told me you use sublime text? |
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| 16:20.04 | ninnypants | then you would sell :) |
| 16:20.11 | beandog | 1. family, 2. fish, 3. minecraft = mindjuju |
| 16:20.31 | ninnypants | _clint_: you mentioned it and we talked about it but I don't know that I recomended it to you |
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| 16:20.39 | mindjuju | fishing is fun but sadly haven't been since i left texas 8yrs ago |
| 16:21.00 | ninnypants | mindjuju: why there's a lake close by |
| 16:21.13 | mahelious | ninnypants: if you were passionate about it, it would probably still be a good idea to sell, and then take your new capitol and start-up all over again. |
| 16:21.51 | ninnypants | mahelious: the problem is if you sell a company in an area it's likely no longer legal for you to start a compeeting company |
| 16:24.38 | mindjuju | actually, that's not true in all cases, i think it depends |
| 16:24.43 | mindjuju | there was somebody that just did that |
| 16:24.48 | beandog | that's a bunch of bs |
| 16:24.54 | mindjuju | darn i read about it about a month ago |
| 16:25.00 | beandog | besides, it's such a vague argument |
| 16:25.09 | beandog | what constitutes the same area |
| 16:25.24 | beandog | using computers? using code? being public? |
| 16:25.26 | beandog | blah de blah. |
| 16:25.28 | beandog | too vague. |
| 16:26.50 | ninnypants | beandog: it's more of the compeeting products line I couldn't sell a company that provides a service like time tracking or somthing like that then sell it and start another time tracking app |
| 16:27.03 | beandog | ninnypants: oh okay. Now that makes sense. |
| 16:28.17 | mindjuju | i really hope there is space for FF and chrome |
| 16:28.22 | mindjuju | i love me some chrome |
| 16:28.31 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm sure it depends on the type of contracts you have but it's not likely that a company will let you sell them a company without a contract that says you can't go out and start a competeing company at least for several years years |
| 16:30.14 | beandog | I still think that's dmb |
| 16:30.15 | beandog | dumb |
| 16:30.17 | beandog | competition = good |
| 16:31.37 | mahelious | its assuming they can get you to sign that. and that a judge will uphold it. |
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| 16:32.29 | mahelious | i know a handful of friends that signed non-competition agreements to get a job, and when they changed jobs their previous company came after them for moving to a competitor |
| 16:32.59 | mahelious | and each of them got a lawyer and successfully fought it. |
| 16:33.26 | josephscott | in California I think those have pretty much been ruled unenforceable |
| 16:34.17 | gshipley | In my experience, companies only try and come after you if you are at the executive level. They don't care so much about developers etc |
| 16:36.06 | beandog | gshipley: that makes sense |
| 16:36.41 | beandog | It's a good thing I don't aspire to positions of responsibility |
| 16:36.49 | gshipley | :) |
| 16:37.42 | ninnypants | mahelious: that's because Utah is a right to work state. It's also likely that the non-compete didn't cover any truely propritary skills a day job and company are very different things. A developer or any other employee could change companies and the company they left wouldn't really be affected, but if you've successfully started a company and have a good name in an industry you could start a competing company right |
| 16:40.28 | mahelious | yes, an ex-employee intimately familiar with product line, systems, ops, contacts, etc working for a competitor would hardly have any effect on a business. how silly of me. |
| 16:50.39 | ninnypants | mahelious: that still depends on the companies if the company decides to use that developers propritary knoweldge to copy the competitor that's when the NDA/Non compete would come into play and be enforcable but that's assuming the company that hired him away is even interested in what the other company's internal systems and concracts are like |
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| 17:16.35 | mindjuju | google did that to microsoft a little while back |
| 17:16.44 | TuxToaster | anyone aware that the UPHPU site is down? (wps?) |
| 17:16.50 | mindjuju | that's where the famous Balmer through a chair across the room happened |
| 17:16.55 | wps | yeahâ¦Â I'm working on it |
| 17:16.57 | wps | thanks, TuxToaster |
| 17:17.23 | TuxToaster | wps: figured you might be. I'm not a fan of Dyn right now. They bought a few providers out, I just finished migrating mine last week |
| 17:17.26 | wps | DynDNS said that they would send an email when they took everyDNS down but they never did |
| 17:17.29 | TuxToaster | (away from them) |
| 17:17.38 | wps | I'm moving my DNS over to namecheap |
| 17:18.24 | TuxToaster | I have about a dozen domains I was managing with EditDNS for $5/mo, wasn't about to pay Dyn's $30/mo for it |
| 17:18.35 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 17:18.36 | TuxToaster | they wanted the $30/mo per domain even |
| 17:18.48 | TuxToaster | so I'm using Zerigo now at $19/year. :-) |
| 17:20.28 | beandog | dyndns switchover went through? |
| 17:20.30 | beandog | ~rip everydns |
| 17:20.30 | ibot | ACTION takes everydns and acts as Jack The Ripper |
| 17:20.42 | jsmith | beandog: Aye... |
| 17:20.45 | beandog | :C |
| 17:20.58 | beandog | everydns should have open sourced their code before leaving |
| 17:21.21 | jsmith | beandog: Wouldn't be hard to replicate it -- it wasn't all that advanced |
| 17:21.44 | beandog | man I'm totally bummed it's gone. |
| 17:21.50 | beandog | most awesome tool evar. |
| 17:22.22 | herlo | unum: why +postgresql? Are you storing your rules in the db? |
| 17:22.36 | beandog | postgres has awesome fields, like one for ip addresses |
| 17:22.45 | TuxToaster | beandog: what did they offer on the CP? I've never used theirs, I did like the EditDNS control panel, was simple but powerful |
| 17:22.57 | unum | herlo: ya, I wanted to make it easy to do it dynamicly |
| 17:23.03 | unum | it's mostly as a favor to my brother |
| 17:23.06 | unum | not work thing |
| 17:23.29 | beandog | TuxToaster: I dont remember. I actually hadn't been using it heavily for a while now. But it was super dead simple. That's what I loved. |
| 17:23.38 | herlo | unum: hmm, might consider MyDNS, it's a MySQL backed DNS server. Unless postgresql is already setup with bind somehow... |
| 17:24.43 | unum | there's a way but I'll have to recompile because debian builds it with postgres support disabled |
| 17:24.48 | TuxToaster | beandog: ah. I've found a couple of nice providers recently, Zonomi has an ultra simple setup, and great pricing, but was *too* simple for my tastes. Zerigo can automatically import and export records and lets you set up templates, etc. |
| 17:25.21 | beandog | I dont really use dynamic dns as much now anymore |
| 17:25.24 | beandog | I host all my stuff somewhere else |
| 17:25.45 | jsmith | unum: Have you looked at PowerDNS? |
| 17:26.28 | unum | I just keep everything on my linode, but he wants to be able to get back into his home network |
| 17:26.48 | mindjuju | i think i'm going to start a dns company and call it ultramegadns.com |
| 17:27.00 | jsmith | mindjuju: superhypermegadns.com! |
| 17:27.14 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 17:27.29 | mindjuju | actually, my network engy will be beandog and he'll leave my co in a couple years and start that one |
| 17:27.39 | beandog | lol |
| 17:27.43 | beandog | sign me up |
| 17:27.46 | unum | jsmith: that looks like it may be the way to go |
| 17:33.37 | wps | anythingbutgodaddydns.com |
| 17:34.52 | TuxToaster | wps: I wouldn't host my own DNS with GoDaddy, but from what I've seen with the domain that I have to work with that is hosted by them, it could be worse |
| 17:35.38 | wps | I feel like I have to take a shower after visiting godaddy.com |
| 17:36.30 | TuxToaster | I should probably switch to namecheap at some point, but it's a pain. |
| 17:36.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:36.57 | TuxToaster | how is namecheap anyways? As far as handling renewals, etc? |
| 17:37.19 | TuxToaster | GoDaddy is nice for being fairly cheap if you use a coupon, but they like to get you down the road with full price renewals |
| 17:38.39 | unum | TuxToaster: why wouldn't you host your own dns with godadday? |
| 17:39.16 | TuxToaster | I mostly just don't like their setup, I prefer a dedicated DNS host. Like I said though, they could be worse. |
| 17:41.31 | beandog | I like namecheap |
| 17:45.13 | beandog | I like turtles |
| 17:45.58 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y |
| 17:53.24 | TuxToaster | ok, maybe I'm missing something, but everything I am finding on WP's post editor is telling how to customize the TinyMCE buttons that appear, but nothing is mentioning what to do if you don't have the toolbar at all. |
| 17:53.43 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/2a2v3m390h1Z2t2U1C1M <-- that's what my post editor looks like |
| 17:53.55 | TuxToaster | how do I get the toolbars to show up in there? |
| 17:59.05 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: do you have js errors on the page? They'll cause that to happen |
| 18:00.07 | TuxToaster | nope. |
| 18:00.21 | TuxToaster | though I did just find something suggesting that I might be missing the tinymce_config file |
| 18:01.54 | ninnypants | that could be it I've found the best way to fix it when it looks like that is to delet the wp-includes and wp-admin folders and re-upload fresh ones instantly just to make sure everything is fresh and that fixes it |
| 18:02.38 | TuxToaster | I might try that. I don't see the tinymce_config.php file in the WP distribution though |
| 18:05.00 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: I've never seen a file named tinymce_config.php |
| 18:06.10 | ninnypants | there's a wp-tinymce.php in wp-incudes/js/tinymce |
| 18:07.02 | wps | uphpu.org is back up |
| 18:08.43 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: I would delete and upload those folders that way you know you have everything you need and nothing is corrup then I would troubleshoot from there |
| 18:11.21 | TuxToaster | yup yup, that's what I'm working on. thanks ninnypants :-) |
| 18:11.24 | TuxToaster | ~ninnypants++ |
| 18:11.45 | mindjuju | ~karma ninnypants |
| 18:11.45 | ibot | ninnypants has karma of 6 |
| 18:11.58 | skinner | ~karma skinner |
| 18:11.58 | ibot | skinner has karma of 1 |
| 18:12.00 | skinner | yay |
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| 18:12.36 | mindjuju | sounds depressing |
| 18:12.46 | mindjuju | ~ninnypants++ |
| 18:12.49 | ninnypants | yeah I'm not sure I like the karma matrix |
| 18:12.52 | jsmith | Yowser! |
| 18:13.04 | ninnypants | where is it I'm curious |
| 18:13.12 | ninnypants | ~karma jsmith |
| 18:13.12 | ibot | jsmith has karma of 3 |
| 18:13.16 | jsmith | Only 3? |
| 18:13.20 | mindjuju | oh wow |
| 18:13.26 | mindjuju | ~jsmith++ |
| 18:13.29 | jsmith | Sheesh... after all the time and effort I put into propping mindjuju up :-) |
| 18:13.30 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 18:13.44 | ninnypants | ~jsmith++ |
| 18:13.44 | mindjuju | i know! |
| 18:13.44 | jsmith | Yay! |
| 18:13.48 | mindjuju | but that only raises you to 5 |
| 18:13.59 | jsmith | I've almost doubled today! |
| 18:14.03 | jsmith | The joy is in the journey! |
| 18:14.07 | mindjuju | ah here it is |
| 18:14.22 | mindjuju | you get to be Bill Gates personal servant |
| 18:14.42 | ninnypants | mindjuju: wher's the karma matrix? |
| 18:14.51 | ninnypants | google faild me so far |
| 18:15.22 | mindjuju | i consult the Oracle of Karma |
| 18:15.43 | mindjuju | which happens to be a misfiring synaptic dense region of my brain |
| 18:16.45 | mindjuju | as far as i know, fungus the furthest amongst us and is nearly to nirvana |
| 18:16.59 | ninnypants | ~karma chucknorris |
| 18:16.59 | ibot | chucknorris has neutral karma |
| 18:17.11 | ninnypants | ~karma ChuckNorris |
| 18:17.11 | ibot | chucknorris has neutral karma |
| 18:17.15 | mindjuju | nirvana had to be pushed back from 42 because he'd already passed that |
| 18:17.38 | ninnypants | looks like chuck isn't very helpful |
| 18:17.49 | mindjuju | ~karma fungus |
| 18:17.49 | ibot | fungus has karma of 83 |
| 18:17.56 | wps | ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha |
| 18:19.18 | fungus | Chuck doesn't accumulate karma, Karma accumulates chuck |
| 18:19.38 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:19.42 | mindjuju | good one! |
| 18:20.44 | josephscott | added to the chuck fact list |
| 18:20.49 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 18:20.50 | raifbot | Chuck Norris frequently donates blood to the Red Cross. Just never his own. |
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| 18:22.01 | unum | jsmith: thanks that was easy |
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| 18:24.55 | beandog | lol |
| 18:24.59 | beandog | $chuck-fact |
| 18:24.59 | raifbot | Chuck Norris made a Happy Meal cry. |
| 18:25.03 | beandog | lol |
| 18:25.05 | beandog | that gets me every time |
| 18:25.21 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: have fun with that |
| 18:25.45 | PoeticIntensity | already am... |
| 18:25.46 | PoeticIntensity | good times. |
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| 18:38.02 | SunSparc | ~thursday |
| 18:38.02 | ibot | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 18:43.40 | mindjuju | cheap - http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/No-50K-prize-for-11-year-old-who-made-89-foot-h?urn=nhl-wp11564 |
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| 18:50.38 | SunSparc | Looks like my evil twin is here! |
| 18:50.48 | SunSparc | ~lart SunSparc_ |
| 18:50.48 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples SunSparc_'s foot to the floor |
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| 18:54.06 | unum | now I have my own dynamicdns server |
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| 19:36.36 | mindjuju | wow, apple lost another iphone in a bar? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20099899-37/apple-loses-another-unreleased-iphone-exclusive/?tag=TOCcarouselMain.0 |
| 19:45.45 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW8F_kWueLs |
| 19:46.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Seems like perhaps that has become SOP for Apple. I still think they do it for the publicity. |
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| 19:46.56 | mindjuju | seems like it |
| 19:47.23 | jsmith | Two data points don't make a trend |
| 19:47.40 | SunSparc | jsmith: sssh... |
| 19:48.02 | mindjuju | ~trend jsmith |
| 19:48.03 | jsmith | But people somehow think I'm bad at math... |
| 19:48.06 | SunSparc | Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain |
| 19:49.21 | SunSparc | jsmith: speaking of being bad at math, have you heard about Khan Academy? http://www.khanacademy.org/exercises |
| 19:49.29 | mindjuju | i have |
| 19:49.32 | mindjuju | its very goot |
| 19:49.56 | jsmith | SunSparc: Of course! |
| 19:50.35 | SunSparc | Good stuff. I have actually been going through the practice courses myself. I am going to stick my kids on them. |
| 19:50.56 | SunSparc | The videos are great also. |
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| 19:59.30 | ninnypants | SunSparc: what level are the courses at? I've been wanting to brush up on my math but don't have tons of time right now |
| 20:03.32 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Well, they start at very basic and go up from there. |
| 20:03.51 | SunSparc | He has TONS of math videos. |
| 20:04.15 | ninnypants | cool I'll have to check them out |
| 20:04.33 | ninnypants | I've been hoping to get back up to the level I was at when I left high school |
| 20:05.52 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Check this out: http://www.khanacademy.org/exercisedashboard?k |
| 20:06.09 | SunSparc | They Google Mapped the exercises out. |
| 20:06.26 | SunSparc | Zoom out and pan down. |
| 20:07.13 | ninnypants | that's awesome |
| 20:07.29 | ninnypants | I wonder how long it'd take me to get to the end... |
| 20:07.58 | ninnypants | SunSparc: how long does it take you to do an exercise? |
| 20:12.51 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Depends on the exercise. I have realy on ly done about 5 so far. I was testing it out. |
| 20:13.09 | SunSparc | They got me thinking again. That was cool. |
| 20:13.36 | SunSparc | And they have a scratchpad feature so you can work the problems out "on paper" if you need it. |
| 20:13.46 | SunSparc | I am impressed. |
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| 20:24.34 | ninnypants | SunSparc: |
| 20:24.37 | ninnypants | oops |
| 20:24.45 | ninnypants | that's awesome I'm gonna have to try it out |
| 20:25.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:25.09 | ninnypants | seems to be a much better option than buying a math book like I was thinking about doing |
| 20:25.49 | SunSparc | Yeah, totally. Though I am sure you can find tons of used math books for cheap online. |
| 20:32.15 | fungus | wow, Khan has lots of really cool Math stuff too, like statistics and calculus. |
| 20:33.18 | SunSparc | Yep :) |
| 20:36.50 | ninnypants | I'm excited now I went up to calculus in HS but I've been interested in statistics lately and I feel like I've forgotten everything |
| 21:01.58 | beandog | $lart programs that don't support --version |
| 21:01.58 | raifbot | executes killall -KILL programs that don't support --version. |
| 21:06.12 | josephscott | how apropos |
| 21:10.48 | ninnypants | $raifbot âversion |
| 21:11.06 | beandog | Oh man. I wish I knew this forever ago: mysql -Bs |
| 21:11.32 | beandog | that'll be easy to remember. |
| 21:11.38 | beandog | $ mysql -Bse "show databases" |
| 21:11.51 | mindjuju | so what does Bs do? |
| 21:11.53 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:12.41 | beandog | batch + silent mode |
| 21:12.50 | beandog | so it prints out the rows as one per line |
| 21:12.55 | beandog | withtout all the formatting |
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| 21:34.26 | carmony | alright, for those who enjoy video games, Video Games Live is coming on Dec 30th and tickets just went on sale |
| 21:34.44 | mindjuju | whut dat |
| 21:36.04 | mindjuju | 100% no rick nor rebecca |
| 21:36.41 | influx | Netcraft confirms it. |
| 21:36.48 | carmony | http://www.utahsymphony.org/concerts/item/500-video-games-live-bonus-round |
| 21:37.10 | carmony | http://www.videogameslive.com/index.php?s=videos |
| 21:38.22 | mindjuju | that needs a replay |
| 21:38.33 | influx | Indeed. |
| 21:44.32 | fungus | beandog, echo "show databases" | mysql does the same thing. |
| 21:46.09 | beandog | fungus: no, that has 'Database' at top |
| 21:46.12 | beandog | nyah |
| 21:46.18 | beandog | don't want the field column |
| 21:46.31 | beandog | I could just grep it out, but still. |
| 21:48.57 | unum | my wife said we could go to that |
| 21:51.58 | fungus | Does 280 tables seem excessive for a single webapp? |
| 21:52.27 | beandog | lemme guess |
| 21:52.29 | beandog | magento |
| 21:52.37 | fungus | Close... Moodle |
| 21:58.41 | mindjuju | k, so if i want to upgrade my centos to use a version of PHP higher than what is available to the distro, i have to add a repo, so which do i add, who is a good name as far as repos go? remi ? |
| 22:13.27 | fungus | If you don't fully trust a Yum repo, you can add the "includepkgs=php" to make sure it is only used for a few packages, and won't override something you want more. |
| 22:17.29 | beandog | I think I just found a mysql bug ... |
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| 22:21.30 | beandog | or not |
| 22:21.31 | beandog | it went away, at least. |
| 22:21.36 | beandog | odd. |
| 22:21.48 | ninnypants | fungus: moodle is a beast |
| 22:22.03 | ninnypants | with all the random settings and things I'm not surprised by the table count |
| 22:22.43 | beandog | whatever. |
| 22:23.26 | beandog | Okay so if you put [client] in .my.cnf |
| 22:23.26 | beandog | it really whacks things up if you are trying to override it. |
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| 22:23.46 | beandog | yahp, that's it. |
| 22:23.46 | beandog | ~smack mysql |
| 22:23.46 | ibot | ACTION smacks mysql upside the head. |
| 22:23.59 | beandog | it's killing my shell scripts |
| 22:24.10 | fungus | it's not mysql's fault. It's yours for adding options in there that you don't want. |
| 22:24.24 | beandog | fungus: I'm overriding the options in the command though |
| 22:24.30 | beandog | and it's ignoring those and using config ones |
| 22:24.44 | beandog | maybe it's supposed to do that |
| 22:26.15 | mindjuju | oh no |
| 22:26.32 | mindjuju | no please no! |
| 22:27.22 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.23 | beandog | Read this option file after the global option file but (on Unix) before the user option file. If the file does not exist or is otherwise inaccessible, the program exits with an error. file_name is the full path name to the file. |
| 22:27.33 | beandog | am I reading this wrong? |
| 22:27.33 | mindjuju | oh man, i'm taking an HTML class because i need the easy credits this semester as it is busy season at work and it fits in with my major, but here is the professor's home page - http://cardinals.ucas.k12.ut.us/clarkb/ |
| 22:27.43 | beandog | read the extra config file in, *then* the user config file? |
| 22:28.09 | beandog | mindjuju: http://cardinals.ucas.k12.ut.us/clarkb/gimp.htm |
| 22:28.19 | beandog | fungus: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/option-files.html |
| 22:28.23 | mindjuju | AH! |
| 22:28.29 | mindjuju | you got to warn a guy beandog! |
| 22:28.36 | mindjuju | holy smokes |
| 22:28.42 | beandog | mindjuju: I think you can test out. |
| 22:28.44 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: Questions |
| 22:28.44 | mindjuju | i haven't seen hr used in a LONG time |
| 22:28.45 | DexterTheDragon | What was your first impression of this site? |
| 22:28.54 | DexterTheDragon | it's all a test |
| 22:29.11 | mindjuju | wow |
| 22:29.13 | mindjuju | i'm scared |
| 22:29.41 | fungus | Maybe it's an old site he did over a decade ago? |
| 22:29.55 | beandog | Okay, I'm convinced, it's jacked. MySQL is reading config files in the wrong order. |
| 22:30.08 | beandog | ~lart mysql |
| 22:30.08 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, mysql!" and lops off mysql's head |
| 22:30.58 | beandog | The 'extra' file is parsed first, then the default ~/.my.cnf |
| 22:31.00 | beandog | whut. |
| 22:31.00 | fungus | beandog, I disagree, the user option file should be last |
| 22:31.04 | beandog | fungus: why? |
| 22:31.19 | fungus | because it should be the most specific |
| 22:31.21 | beandog | fungus: well the problem is, even with both of those, it's overriding my cli args |
| 22:31.31 | beandog | Or something. |
| 22:31.40 | beandog | It's dying. Defaults look right, but its not working. |
| 22:32.19 | beandog | Nope, that was it. It's just reading my user config last. |
| 22:32.23 | beandog | That's annoying. |
| 22:32.23 | fungus | beandog, you can verify using my_print_defaults |
| 22:32.32 | beandog | Because I'm overriding user/password in that 'extra' file! |
| 22:32.35 | beandog | *rage* |
| 22:32.57 | fungus | That's why putting a user/password in a user options file is a bad idea |
| 22:33.10 | beandog | fungus: it's putting it there temporarily as the script executes |
| 22:33.40 | beandog | besides, it's better than running it as a cli arg, imo |
| 22:33.56 | fungus | it is, but don't use the user options, use an extra options |
| 22:34.11 | beandog | an extra options? |
| 22:34.23 | beandog | here's my command: |
| 22:34.36 | beandog | # /usr/bin/mysqldump --defaults-extra-file=/root/.backup-manager_my.cnf --opt -ubackup-manager -htahiti -P3306 --opt --compact know |
| 22:34.51 | beandog | that extra file has just password=foo |
| 22:34.58 | beandog | my ~/.my.cnf has [client], user, pass |
| 22:34.59 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 22:35.08 | fungus | beandog, right. Don't use .my.cnf |
| 22:35.18 | beandog | fungus: well I use it in the shell to connect to MySQL stuff |
| 22:35.26 | fungus | cause you lazy? :) |
| 22:35.50 | beandog | Ive just always done it that way |
| 22:35.51 | fungus | lol |
| 22:36.02 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: why not just have your script do mysqldump -ppassword ? |
| 22:36.02 | fungus | I know, I've done it too, and run into the same problem you are |
| 22:36.32 | fungus | DTD, cause then the password is visible in ps output |
| 22:36.47 | beandog | Actually, the problem is that this script Im running strips out arguments like --no-defaults |
| 22:36.50 | beandog | which is annoying as well. |
| 22:36.55 | beandog | Because with *that*, it would work |
| 22:37.12 | beandog | or not. |
| 22:37.55 | beandog | --defaults-file works |
| 22:38.13 | beandog | Still, I think it's dumb that MySQL parses the user config last. |
| 22:38.21 | beandog | Oh well. |
| 22:38.25 | beandog | I gotta pick one feature, I guess. |
| 22:39.20 | josephscott | lol, love it when people come up with interesting function names |
| 22:39.30 | fungus | user config should be last. That's how most programs work. Least specific to most specific. |
| 22:39.53 | fungus | Global config -> Server config -> User config -> CLI options |
| 22:41.11 | beandog | fungus: right, but in this case, it's CLI options -> User config |
| 22:42.03 | beandog | did you see the doc? |
| 22:42.05 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.05 | beandog | Read this option file after the global option file but (on Unix) before the user option file. If the file does not exist or is otherwise inaccessible, the program exits with an error. file_name is the full path name to the file. |
| 22:42.16 | beandog | "before the user option file" |
| 22:42.16 | beandog | fail. |
| 22:42.19 | fungus | nope. Specifying defaults-extra doesn't equate to a CLI option, you are just adding another config file to parse |
| 22:42.40 | beandog | Right. But in what philosophy does it make sense to not consider that the same priority as a cli argument? |
| 22:43.04 | fungus | Yes it does. You are just specifying another defaults file to read. |
| 22:43.20 | fungus | And that defaults file is added into the stream at the Global level. |
| 22:43.41 | fungus | or actually right after the global level |
| 22:43.42 | beandog | No, actually it's after global |
| 22:43.52 | fungus | But before the server and user levels |
| 22:44.04 | beandog | So global -> cli arg file -> user config |
| 22:44.08 | beandog | that's just whacked. |
| 22:44.08 | fungus | any real options at the CLI still override everything |
| 22:45.09 | beandog | Isnt the whole point of CLI options to override defaults? |
| 22:45.16 | beandog | By parsing that file in the middle, it's not doing that. |
| 22:45.36 | fungus | Yes, but you aren't specifying a CLI option, you are specifying a new path for an options file. not a CLI option itself |
| 22:45.37 | DexterTheDragon | but the option is extra defaults |
| 22:45.45 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: right |
| 22:45.48 | beandog | See, even the definition is confusing |
| 22:45.53 | DexterTheDragon | no |
| 22:45.56 | beandog | I'm fine with using defaults |
| 22:45.58 | beandog | I just want to add onto them |
| 22:46.14 | beandog | default *extra* |
| 22:46.30 | fungus | Right, extra option for the defaults. |
| 22:46.36 | fungus | That get overrided by user options |
| 22:46.39 | DexterTheDragon | and the defaults are part of the config chain |
| 22:47.00 | beandog | Well then my idea of 'defaults' is off |
| 22:47.11 | beandog | Because by using '--no-defaults' it also skips ~/.my.cnf |
| 22:47.13 | beandog | which is a user default |
| 22:47.37 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: I know that, but it's interjecting it between global and user |
| 22:47.40 | beandog | HOW is that helpful? |
| 22:47.53 | beandog | I want to override defaults, not have them overriden |
| 22:47.58 | fungus | I understand your argument that since you specify an options file at the CLI that you want that to be parsed last. But that is invalid, because the --defaults options just change the path to the options files. Not the actual parsing order. |
| 22:48.00 | beandog | What's the point of even putting it in there? |
| 22:48.05 | DexterTheDragon | because the user config always overrides |
| 22:48.16 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: I've never seen that approach anywhere else |
| 22:48.41 | fungus | beandog, SSH does the same thing |
| 22:48.59 | beandog | Okay well going back to my other question, because I'm genuinely curious now |
| 22:49.03 | beandog | How is this a feature? |
| 22:49.07 | beandog | Interject between global and user? |
| 22:49.25 | fungus | because it allows you to change the path to a defaults file per run |
| 22:49.35 | beandog | No it doesn't |
| 22:49.43 | beandog | You can pass --defaults-file for that |
| 22:50.10 | fungus | Yes, but if you want the normal defaults file, and *extra* defaults on top of that. |
| 22:50.46 | beandog | fungus: but then you'd have to override something in the CLI arguments directly if you wanted to override your user config ... like the password |
| 22:50.56 | fungus | correct |
| 22:50.59 | beandog | o.O |
| 22:51.03 | beandog | So I don't see how that's helpful |
| 22:51.19 | fungus | Because your user options override defaults |
| 22:51.21 | beandog | I mean, I see it helpful having extra options in the config |
| 22:51.40 | fungus | Defaults + Extra Defaults + User + CLI |
| 22:51.48 | beandog | Okay so I suppose what I want is |
| 22:51.59 | beandog | an argument to *include* a config file |
| 22:52.06 | beandog | and parse those as CLI arguments |
| 22:52.08 | beandog | which they don't have. |
| 22:52.20 | beandog | I mean, they kind of do, with --defaults-file |
| 22:52.23 | fungus | They do, but your user options are overriding it. |
| 22:52.24 | beandog | But then it'd ignore that as well |
| 22:52.26 | fungus | Stop doing that |
| 22:53.05 | beandog | well they're only getting overriden because that's the order they are parsed |
| 22:53.27 | fungus | right. |
| 22:55.03 | beandog | I really hate mysql. |
| 22:55.10 | beandog | I guess I just want an --include-config option |
| 22:55.19 | beandog | Not an override, just extra options. Post user config. |
| 22:55.23 | beandog | which seems normal to me, I guess. |
| 22:55.29 | beandog | I'm not so sure about your ssh example though |
| 22:55.37 | beandog | because you can still override stuff in ~/.ssh/config with cli |
| 22:55.39 | fungus | you mean something like --user-extra |
| 22:55.43 | beandog | fungus: yah |
| 22:56.13 | fungus | right, in both ssh and mysql you can override stuff by using cli options |
| 22:57.09 | fungus | In your mysqldump example you were overriding the username, but were not overriding the password. |
| 22:57.21 | beandog | It was in defaults-extra file |
| 22:57.41 | fungus | that's not an include, it's an option that changes the location of the defaults-extra file |
| 22:57.55 | beandog | Well it doesn't change the location. |
| 22:57.59 | beandog | There is no extra file to begin with. |
| 22:58.13 | fungus | The default extra file is empty, but it does exist |
| 22:58.19 | beandog | uh |
| 22:58.20 | beandog | whut |
| 22:59.30 | fungus | It all comes down to your assumption that defaults-extra-file is an include function, when it is not. |
| 22:59.49 | fungus | Specifying that option changes the location of the defaults extra file that is read. |
| 22:59.50 | beandog | Well --print-defaults doesn't show any files |
| 22:59.56 | beandog | So I'm going to disagree with you there |
| 23:00.03 | beandog | It's not including foo.conf somewhere by default |
| 23:00.13 | beandog | and you're overriding that |
| 23:00.19 | beandog | You're just interjecting a new file to be read |
| 23:01.30 | fungus | No you still misunderstand. Imagine that there are options that specify the location of options files. |
| 23:01.53 | fungus | defaults-file, defaults-extra-file, user |
| 23:02.04 | beandog | Hold on |
| 23:02.21 | fungus | defaults-extra-file is normally empty, but you can change it. |
| 23:03.06 | beandog | Okay right, I agree with that. |
| 23:03.14 | beandog | It sounded like you were saying there was an actual file |
| 23:03.26 | beandog | The argument is a null value though, by default |
| 23:03.36 | beandog | user (No default value) |
| 23:03.41 | beandog | fex. |
| 23:03.42 | fungus | So specifying --defaults-extra-file on the CLI doesn't include all those options on the CLI, it only changes the option that specifies the location of that file |
| 23:04.03 | beandog | Well, yah. That's one way of describing it. |
| 23:04.33 | fungus | Right, and that's how it works. |
| 23:05.00 | beandog | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 23:05.06 | beandog | and SSH isn't the same way |
| 23:05.10 | beandog | ssh -F says use *this* config file as the user file |
| 23:05.18 | beandog | not "add this THEN the user config file" |
| 23:05.36 | fungus | Right because -F overrides the location of the User config file |
| 23:05.41 | beandog | Right |
| 23:05.49 | beandog | That's mysql's --default-file argument |
| 23:05.58 | fungus | SSH doesn't have the capability to override the defaults-file or anything else |
| 23:06.12 | beandog | mysql --default-file = ssh -F |
| 23:06.12 | fungus | But it works the same way as mysql |
| 23:06.17 | fungus | no |
| 23:06.20 | beandog | Yes |
| 23:06.25 | fungus | ssh -F overrides the user options file |
| 23:06.28 | beandog | --defaults-file=file_name |
| 23:06.28 | beandog | Use only the given option file. If the file does not exist or is otherwise inaccessible, the program exits with an error. file_name is the full path name to the file. |
| 23:06.29 | fungus | not the defaults-file |
| 23:07.05 | fungus | SSH reads config options from the system first, then the user, then the CLI |
| 23:07.11 | beandog | Right |
| 23:07.35 | fungus | Mysql reads config options from the system first, then an extra file (if specified), then the user, then the CLI |
| 23:07.40 | fungus | Same idea |
| 23:07.56 | beandog | Okay hold on. |
| 23:07.58 | fungus | Mysql just has more capabilities |
| 23:08.17 | beandog | So does MySQL have a *global* config file it's reading then, even when you run 'mysql'? |
| 23:08.21 | beandog | i.e., client apps |
| 23:08.30 | fungus | yes |
| 23:08.31 | beandog | Okay |
| 23:08.33 | fungus | /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 23:08.46 | beandog | So they are basically using --defaults-file to say "read this file instead of global file AND user config file" |
| 23:08.47 | beandog | right ? |
| 23:08.53 | fungus | or /etc/my.cnf depending on distro |
| 23:09.00 | fungus | yup |
| 23:09.04 | beandog | o.O |
| 23:09.06 | beandog | Okay |
| 23:09.15 | fungus | You can add a [client] section to the master server config if you want. |
| 23:09.16 | beandog | That's weird. |
| 23:09.21 | fungus | though I don't suggest it. |
| 23:09.24 | beandog | Right. |
| 23:09.43 | beandog | And --no-defaults, again, would ignore *both* files (global and user) |
| 23:09.43 | fungus | well at least not user options, socket file is good to put there |
| 23:09.51 | fungus | yes |
| 23:09.59 | beandog | Got it. |
| 23:10.26 | beandog | I still don't get their logic of how a defaults extra file is between global and user. |
| 23:10.33 | beandog | If the user config is a 'default file' |
| 23:10.49 | beandog | (since it gets ignored by --no-defaults) |
| 23:11.01 | beandog | That's the thing I find confusing. Their choice of placement. |
| 23:11.04 | fungus | it's a user defaults file |
| 23:11.21 | fungus | defaults-file, defaults-extra-file, user-defaults-file, options |
| 23:11.38 | beandog | fungus: okay so maybe its a misnomer |
| 23:11.39 | fungus | it's a defaults file, but it's a special one |
| 23:11.45 | beandog | more like --global-defaults-extra-file ? |
| 23:11.57 | fungus | kind of |
| 23:13.02 | beandog | well |
| 23:13.09 | beandog | that's the answer that gives relief to my little cracked brain |
| 23:13.10 | beandog | so I'm smoking that. |
| 23:13.22 | fungus | puff, puff, pass |
| 23:13.30 | beandog | :) |
| 23:14.19 | beandog | well thanks for hanging in there fungus |
| 23:14.21 | beandog | you're a trooper |
| 23:14.46 | fungus | had to, you were larting mysql for something it didn't deserve. :) |
| 23:14.55 | beandog | Well I still think it's dumb |
| 23:14.59 | beandog | but at least it's downgraded to opinion. |
| 23:15.00 | fungus | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 23:17.07 | beandog | Maybe I should just patch this stupid script. |
| 23:18.51 | mindjuju | yhmm, george lucas adds more Nooo!s to his movie http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/nooo-george-lucas-makes-more-changes-original-trilogy-191605319.html |
| 23:21.26 | beandog | Some day, he'll die, and *then* we'll get pristine copies of the original movies. |
| 23:21.44 | beandog | I imagine. |
| 23:22.35 | beandog | Oh man, fungus, you're not gonna believe this. |
| 23:22.45 | mindjuju | we used to ahve it on laserdisc |
| 23:22.48 | beandog | I was editing the wrong variable the whole time. |
| 23:22.50 | beandog | FAIL |
| 23:23.00 | fungus | I'm not a Star Wars purist, but that change was kinda silly |
| 23:23.01 | beandog | The backup script wasn't parsing it out. |
| 23:23.03 | mindjuju | i think that's as close to dvd as you can get wtih han shooting guido |
| 23:23.03 | josephscott | you know you've been p0wn3d when you see this on your site - http://www.texaspolicechiefs.org/ |
| 23:23.26 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 23:23.46 | beandog | whoopsie fail |
| 23:26.17 | beandog | josephscott: that's gonna stir up some controversy |
| 23:26.32 | josephscott | beandog: http://gizmodo.com/5836741 |
| 23:27.51 | beandog | that's gonna keep some sociologists busy |
| 23:36.01 | SunSparc | Of the past several link, the Star Wars one is the most disturbing to me. |
| 23:36.25 | SunSparc | Laterz |
| 23:36.34 | beandog | There is a disturbance in the channel. |
| 23:36.43 | beandog | It just left. |
| 23:43.40 | *** part/#uphpu skinner (~david@128.187.195.106) |