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| 00:21.04 | TuxToaster | anyone happen to have Xmission DSL? |
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| 06:13.48 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 06:14.05 | mindjuju | i'm wondering if i can copy the repo from one computer to another by copying /etc/yum.repos.d |
| 08:22.37 | influx | ninnypants: ping |
| 12:53.36 | influx | aw dang |
| 12:53.41 | influx | :\ |
| 12:54.06 | jsmith | influx: What? |
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| 15:42.31 | jsmith | Too quiet in here today |
| 15:43.09 | herlo | aye |
| 15:43.13 | herlo | jsmith: talk more |
| 15:43.59 | jsmith | herlo: talk less :-p |
| 15:44.09 | herlo | lol |
| 15:44.11 | herlo | okay |
| 15:44.26 | jsmith | herlo: Enjoy! |
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| 15:56.07 | TuxToaster | I hate Qwest |
| 15:56.35 | TuxToaster | was just talking to them about moving my DSL line to the new house and setting up with Xmission |
| 15:56.40 | TuxToaster | they will only give me 1.5 |
| 15:56.53 | TuxToaster | but I can get 12M if I go with their ISP |
| 15:57.55 | mahelious | which isp is theirs? MSN? |
| 15:58.25 | TuxToaster | I think so. Used to be anyways. |
| 15:58.57 | TuxToaster | thing is I *know* that the host DSL platform supports 3 and 7 meg speeds |
| 15:59.10 | TuxToaster | it's just crap that they are saying they can't do it |
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| 16:26.34 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: iirc, I heard from XMission that some of the newer dsl offerings they're making have used a loophole to get around the mandatory access for competing ISPs⦠so Qwest/CenturyLink has to let XMission provide service over their normal DSL lines, but they can monopolize their "fiber to the node" offerings |
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| 16:43.01 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 16:43.01 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can lead a horse to water AND make it drink. |
| 16:43.29 | fungus | Qwest only allows third party ISPs in their non-FTTN DSL offerings. 256,1.5,and 3/5/7 |
| 16:44.32 | mindjuju | i caught the qwest man trying to get out of an appt to fix a phone line in our office |
| 16:44.56 | fungus | and Qwest's Default ISP is now qwest.net, though they do offer MSN as a premium option. |
| 16:46.47 | mindjuju | msn a premium? i'd have thought it was a liability or a negative |
| 16:46.58 | fungus | lol |
| 16:51.16 | skinner | mindjuju: It is for sure |
| 16:53.08 | TuxToaster | fungus: yeah I was just talking to someone there that was quite a bit more helpful |
| 16:53.08 | fungus | Though some of that info may have changed now w/ CenturyLink |
| 16:53.27 | TuxToaster | though they are claiming the house can only do 1.5 on the ATM |
| 16:53.33 | TuxToaster | not so sure I buy that |
| 16:54.01 | fungus | It's certainly possible |
| 16:54.05 | TuxToaster | yeah |
| 16:54.19 | fungus | you might be far enough away from the CO to qualify for the 3/5/7 option |
| 16:54.30 | fungus | *not qualify |
| 16:54.51 | TuxToaster | now debating whether to go with Qwest.net or to just cancel the line |
| 16:55.34 | fungus | I suggest checking on Comcast, or stick with the qwest.net FTTN DSL option. |
| 16:55.43 | TuxToaster | or to just do a 1.5M line w/ XMission |
| 16:55.52 | fungus | 1.5Mbps isn't really usable these days |
| 16:55.59 | TuxToaster | heh. yeah I know |
| 16:56.03 | fungus | :) |
| 16:56.26 | TuxToaster | it's not for my main connection though, but still the speed is nice |
| 16:56.54 | fungus | A second connection for your home? what is your main connection? |
| 16:56.59 | TuxToaster | Comcast |
| 16:57.07 | TuxToaster | though historically flaky |
| 16:58.18 | fungus | For a backup then, might I suggest a Verizon 4G aircard |
| 16:58.20 | skinner | Anyone use Piwik before? |
| 16:58.22 | TuxToaster | the DSL is what runs a couple of servers I've got and provides backup for when my cable is out, nothing huge really, so I'm tempted to cancel it |
| 16:58.33 | TuxToaster | but having static IPs on my servers is nice |
| 16:58.52 | jsmith | skinner: No, but I'm seriously looking at it -- I just wish they didn't bundle so many third-party libraries with it |
| 16:59.03 | TuxToaster | yeah that might be an option too |
| 16:59.34 | skinner | They store IP addresses in the DB using a varbinary data type. I have a buddy that's trying to read from the table with a custom script. |
| 16:59.47 | fungus | Verizon 4G isn't really usable as a main connection (bandwidth caps), but as a mobile/backup it'd be great |
| 16:59.56 | skinner | Know of any functions that could read the varbinary type and convert it to an actual IP address? |
| 17:00.05 | jsmith | skinner: Sounds awful! If they were only using PostgreSQL as the database back-end, they could use a real IP address data type :-p |
| 17:00.12 | TuxToaster | fungus: any idea what the monthly is on it? |
| 17:00.16 | skinner | cefb28ba <-- One of the sample values |
| 17:00.19 | fungus | about $60/mo |
| 17:00.42 | TuxToaster | that's what I figured. Might have to look at it, though it's a bit more than I'm paying to keep my DSL atm |
| 17:00.55 | TuxToaster | but about what they just quoted me for 12M w/ statics |
| 17:01.04 | jsmith | skinner: Ah, it's just a hex-encoded IP address |
| 17:01.16 | TuxToaster | XMissions pricing is better on statics. heh. |
| 17:01.18 | fungus | If you have a 4G phone, just add $20/mo for the hotspot service. :) |
| 17:01.22 | skinner | hexdec() would work? |
| 17:01.26 | jsmith | skinner: ce fb 28 ba |
| 17:01.40 | jsmith | skinner: each of those two digits is an octet |
| 17:01.50 | skinner | ah ok |
| 17:03.11 | TuxToaster | too bad Utopia didn't get decent coverage set up. |
| 17:03.31 | mindjuju | i hate utopia |
| 17:03.53 | skinner | jsmith: Apparently one of the values is: 2J%^ |
| 17:03.53 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: bad service? |
| 17:04.00 | mindjuju | no, i live in orem and they don't cover my house |
| 17:04.04 | mindjuju | been here for 4 years |
| 17:04.19 | mindjuju | each day i work from home, i think about life in a utopia coverage area |
| 17:04.30 | fungus | skinner, look at network functions. Possible options: inet_ntop, long2ip, etc |
| 17:04.30 | mindjuju | it's depressing, really, though i'm not the worst off |
| 17:04.37 | skinner | jsmith: Jx F |
| 17:04.38 | TuxToaster | ah. yeah. they haven't really put any effort into expanding it for a long time |
| 17:04.39 | skinner | is another |
| 17:04.40 | mindjuju | mgeary got hosed by his landlord on utopia |
| 17:04.44 | skinner | (with a space in it) |
| 17:04.50 | skinner | ok |
| 17:06.55 | skinner | jsmith: inet_ntop() seems to be the key. :) Thnx! |
| 17:09.49 | fungus | I got lucky w/ the landlord for my WVC branch. They approved the add'l Utopia construction. Were pretty nice about it too. |
| 17:10.39 | fungus | Especially since we paid for it, and it has a potential of benefiting other tenants. |
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| 17:54.35 | mindjuju | with all the bad press about jerry lewis, you'd think MDA would put him on for a couple of minutes, http://tv.yahoo.com/news/jerry-lewis-a-no-show-at-telethon-after-45-years.html?nc |
| 17:54.52 | mindjuju | hope it doesn't affect their ability to take in money |
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| 18:18.46 | mindjuju | curiously, when bots talk amongst themselves, they talk about God - http://hothardware.com/News/When-Two-Chatbots-Talk-Hilarity-Ensues/ |
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| 18:37.09 | mindjuju | why break with a good trend? running for office? write a book! (or pay a ghostwriter to do so ;) ) http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52463558-78/book-campaign-club-conservative.html.csp |
| 18:38.10 | mgeary | bleh |
| 18:38.46 | mindjuju | i wonder if it'll have a chapter entitled "Why i took money from the MPAA to become their law writing monkeyboy" |
| 18:48.10 | josephscott | "law writing monkeyboy" lol |
| 18:51.59 | mgeary | Hatch is terrified of a primary challenger |
| 18:52.05 | mgeary | and rightly so |
| 18:52.12 | mgeary | i'd have much rather gotten rid of Hatch than Bennett |
| 18:52.34 | mgeary | but in Utah, the only time an incumbent gets kicked out is to replace them with someone even more right-wing :/ |
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| 19:29.30 | mgeary | hey jos |
| 19:29.32 | mgeary | bah |
| 19:29.39 | mgeary | josephscott still boycotting us |
| 19:30.21 | mgeary | so, i'm trying to help someone install some plugins on their WP instance |
| 19:30.57 | mgeary | it keeps prompting for FTP details, which makes me think permissions may not be set properly somewhere on the server, since in other cases, WP has been able to download and install the files directly |
| 19:31.03 | mgeary | anyone know which perms i need to check? |
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| 19:32.01 | mgeary | oh sure |
| 19:32.03 | mgeary | now you show up |
| 19:32.10 | ninnypants | mgeary: it's folder permissions |
| 19:32.18 | mgeary | just got it working |
| 19:32.26 | ninnypants | it detects wether it has permissions to write or not |
| 19:32.27 | mgeary | it appears that WP needs the web user to own the directory |
| 19:32.33 | mgeary | because it was all group-writable |
| 19:32.37 | mgeary | but that wasn't good enough, apparently |
| 19:33.12 | ninnypants | mgeary: I've never had issues with it being group writable before. strange |
| 19:33.22 | mgeary | indeed |
| 20:21.10 | mindjuju | so is it legal to go into /etc/yum.repo.d and copy out the files from there and put them on another server? |
| 20:21.25 | TuxToaster | should be |
| 20:21.33 | mindjuju | awesome, thx |
| 20:21.38 | TuxToaster | I've copied and pasted them between servers before |
| 20:21.53 | TuxToaster | don't see why copying the whole file would be any different :-) |
| 20:22.11 | mindjuju | i'm trying to get the hang of scp, was planning on using that :) |
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| 20:37.13 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 20:37.13 | raifbot | steals romanovic-afk's mojo. |
| 20:40.08 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 20:40.08 | ibot | pours gasoline all over tierra, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 21:03.24 | mgeary | that's what i could use, a toasty fire. i've got a chill |
| 21:13.12 | josephscott | xdebug, cachegrind and webgrind for the win |
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| 21:18.56 | xtrementl | woot |
| 21:21.32 | TuxToaster | in CakePHP, how are properties on models defined? Do you just add columns to the database and it picks them up? |
| 21:22.15 | TuxToaster | I know in some MVC setups like Django, you're supposed to add properties to the model and the framework handles updating the table accordingly |
| 21:22.29 | xtrementl | cake it's usually inferred by the database schema |
| 21:22.30 | xtrementl | it's magical |
| 21:22.36 | TuxToaster | $lart josephscott |
| 21:22.37 | raifbot | gives josephscott a good seeing to. |
| 21:22.41 | xtrementl | unless they've changed everything since i've used it |
| 21:22.48 | josephscott | $mindtrick TuxToaster |
| 21:22.49 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) TuxToaster he can go about his business. |
| 21:22.51 | TuxToaster | xtrementl: that's kind of what I'm figuring |
| 21:22.57 | TuxToaster | lol nice one |
| 21:23.10 | TuxToaster | does it accept parameters? |
| 21:23.21 | TuxToaster | $mindtrick josephscott there is nothing to see here... move along. |
| 21:23.21 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) josephscott there is nothing to see here... move along. move along. |
| 21:23.27 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 21:23.39 | josephscott | $help |
| 21:23.39 | raifbot | josephscott help is at http://raifbot.wordpress.com/ |
| 21:23.52 | josephscott | http://raifbot.wordpress.com/commands-mindtrick/ |
| 21:23.55 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 21:24.06 | xtrementl | TuxToaster: http://book.cakephp.org/view/1057/Model-Attributes |
| 21:24.28 | TuxToaster | josephscott: what would be cool is $help mindtrick |
| 21:24.45 | xtrementl | iirc it can generate the fields for you from the schema but you can also change them later via a bunch of arrays |
| 21:24.54 | josephscott | yeah, I need to add that |
| 21:25.05 | TuxToaster | xtrementl: thanks. Still getting used to how Cake works. |
| 21:25.30 | xtrementl | have you looked at lithium? i'm not sure how that fork is going.. but it looked interesting |
| 21:26.29 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 21:26.46 | TuxToaster | looks interesting |
| 21:26.53 | TuxToaster | though their site layout is a bit... |
| 21:26.54 | TuxToaster | strange |
| 21:28.12 | xtrementl | heh fosho |
| 21:28.20 | DexterTheDragon | lithium isn't a fork |
| 21:28.49 | TuxToaster | DexterTheDragon: yeah, yeah, it's an alkali metal... oh wait. :P |
| 21:34.32 | mahelious | cakephp is still actively developed, right? |
| 21:34.52 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 21:35.01 | DexterTheDragon | and lithium is not a fork of cakephp |
| 21:35.26 | TuxToaster | yeah it looks by the intro on that page like it's effectively cake3 |
| 21:35.38 | mahelious | and lithium is a distinct project that was originally based on the cakephp codebase? |
| 21:35.44 | TuxToaster | though not clear if it's just a codename or if they are actually renaming the framework, he seems to be saying both |
| 21:35.45 | DexterTheDragon | in fact cakefest starts tomorrow |
| 21:36.37 | DexterTheDragon | lithium was started as an entirely new framework and was codenamed cake3, gwoo and nate then left cakephp to work solely on it |
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| 21:43.42 | xtrementl | so looks like it was a completely new project. mai bad :) |
| 22:04.59 | TuxToaster | didn't WP's visual post editor have a toolbar? |
| 22:05.05 | TuxToaster | like TinyMCE or FCEdit or one of those |
| 22:05.08 | TuxToaster | or is that a plugin |
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| 22:05.28 | mindjuju | yeah they do, but it's called kitchen sink |
| 22:05.48 | mindjuju | its a tiny icon in bar that is above the text bar, click it and the rte expands out |
| 22:07.53 | _clint_ | carmony: How is vim? |
| 22:08.03 | carmony | I gave up for this week |
| 22:09.23 | _clint_ | carmony: I am about to, that is why I asked |
| 22:10.04 | mindjuju | i can't seem to figure out how to ls just the files that start with abc* |
| 22:10.29 | herlo | mindjuju: ls [abc]* |
| 22:10.47 | herlo | or are you wanting exactly abc and then anything? |
| 22:11.34 | mgeary | hey |
| 22:11.45 | mgeary | in apache, can you use alias with URLs, or just with file paths? |
| 22:11.51 | mgeary | do i need to resort to mod_rewrite? |
| 22:11.55 | mindjuju | so the abc is the start of the name i'm looking for, so ithink that's right |
| 22:14.57 | mindjuju | thx herlo, i was in a tight spot |
| 22:15.05 | mindjuju | but that's over now, so that looks like grep? |
| 22:15.30 | herlo | it's not grep |
| 22:15.32 | herlo | it's regex |
| 22:15.41 | mindjuju | srry, that's what i meant |
| 22:15.44 | mindjuju | 3hrs of sleep here |
| 22:15.45 | herlo | but abc* would be right if you were looking for abc and then something |
| 22:15.51 | herlo | mindjuju: you need more sleep :( |
| 22:16.05 | mindjuju | that is true |
| 22:16.27 | mindjuju | school started and busy season started and just tyring to find happy balance |
| 22:16.31 | mindjuju | first week is always hard |
| 22:17.57 | herlo | hmm |
| 22:31.59 | _clint_ | carmony: What do you develop in normally? |
| 22:32.10 | _clint_ | carmony: what IDE, I mean |
| 22:34.12 | mindjuju | carmony develops on a MBP |
| 22:34.27 | carmony | netbeans |
| 22:34.39 | herlo | MBP isn't an IDE |
| 22:34.47 | mindjuju | i know |
| 22:35.04 | herlo | :) |
| 22:35.09 | mindjuju | i'm computing sleepily |
| 22:35.23 | mindjuju | might have to call in reinforcements to come get me, i'm tired |
| 22:35.30 | herlo | yeah, do it! |
| 22:35.51 | mindjuju | that or do like fiddy sit ups and maybe a jumping jack |
| 22:36.28 | herlo | lol |
| 22:36.33 | herlo | just one jumping jack :) |
| 22:36.42 | mindjuju | them jumping jacks, they're a killer! |
| 22:37.18 | herlo | heh |
| 22:37.34 | herlo | I just did 50 jumping jacks |
| 22:37.46 | mindjuju | with just your arms? |
| 22:38.04 | skinner | When doing a mysql query and you have multiple conditions, does mysql start with the first condition, get that group, then compare the second condition and so on? |
| 22:38.26 | mindjuju | hmm, i'd say that's a jsmith question |
| 22:38.35 | skinner | Or how does MySQL 'see' the priority of the WHERE conditions |
| 22:38.52 | mindjuju | eggyknap would know, but he detests mysql so much... |
| 22:39.01 | eggyknap | You know it! |
| 22:39.06 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 22:40.02 | eggyknap | skinner: I've gotta guess some here, but everyone does basically the same thing (on a *very* basic level) |
| 22:40.38 | herlo | mindjuju: in my head! |
| 22:40.46 | mindjuju | no way, eggyknap is saying that mysql *on some level* is actually a really real database? |
| 22:40.53 | eggyknap | The system looks for the most "selective" condition first -- the one that will filter out the most rows. That way it doesn't have to process so many rows for the other conditions |
| 22:41.31 | mindjuju | wow, i would have thought it did first in first out, me learns something new today |
| 22:42.36 | eggyknap | There are other complications, like the sorts of index methods it can use to answer the query, but a simple scan will work that way |
| 22:43.58 | skinner | Does anyone have any preferences for a linode datacenter? |
| 22:44.21 | skinner | NJ, GA, CA or TX? |
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| 22:46.17 | skinner | ninnypants: you use linode? |
| 22:47.32 | skinner | eggyknap: Thanks for the info! :) |
| 22:47.39 | eggyknap | skinner: yw |
| 22:47.48 | josephscott | $random-number |
| 22:47.48 | raifbot | josephscott your number is : 40,243,135 |
| 22:48.47 | carmony | $random-number |
| 22:48.47 | raifbot | carmony your number is : 1,609,113,584 |
| 22:48.52 | carmony | $random-number |
| 22:48.52 | raifbot | carmony your number is : 579,998,969 |
| 22:49.02 | carmony | sheesh, those are big numbers |
| 22:49.08 | carmony | $random-number 1 10 |
| 22:49.08 | raifbot | carmony your number is : 3 |
| 22:49.11 | carmony | :) |
| 22:50.45 | carmony | lol |
| 22:50.47 | mgeary | how do i escape a question mark in a RewriteRule? Doing \? doesn't seem to work |
| 22:50.49 | carmony | I like them for my paychecks :P |
| 22:51.01 | carmony | how about a paycheck of this value raifbot? |
| 22:51.05 | carmony | $random-number |
| 22:51.05 | raifbot | carmony your number is : 1,222,621,073 |
| 22:51.10 | carmony | I'd take that |
| 22:52.07 | josephscott | 1GB cachegrind file, that should be fun to process |
| 22:52.14 | carmony | lol |
| 22:52.50 | ninnypants | skinner: nope I use stackable |
| 22:52.57 | josephscott | yeah, I'd only need one paycheck of that size |
| 22:53.01 | skinner | ok |
| 22:53.10 | mindjuju | a |
| 22:53.25 | mindjuju | ah Stackable, there is a fine product by somebody who support the open source community |
| 22:53.29 | ninnypants | skinner: you having trouble or just trying to find hosting? |
| 22:53.49 | skinner | just curious if anyone had a preferred datacenter with linode |
| 22:53.50 | ninnypants | very true mindjuju |
| 22:53.53 | ninnypants | awesome api too |
| 22:53.57 | skinner | I opted for Texas |
| 22:57.44 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 22:57.55 | mgeary | got a sec to help with a rewrite issue? |
| 23:00.34 | herlo | there is no fungus |
| 23:00.37 | herlo | only Zuul! |
| 23:01.16 | tierra | skinner: yeah, not sure if there's a preferred DC, but I'm in Dallas as well |
| 23:01.53 | tierra | been there for around 7 years now actually |
| 23:04.40 | mindjuju | so herlo, when i restart apache, it says that a folder doesn't exist, whist i'm standing in the friggin! folder, what doesn't this like me? |
| 23:05.22 | mindjuju | ive checked permissions |
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| 23:49.41 | skinner | Anyone know if the default Postfix package that comes with Centos 6 is compiled with database support? I know it didn't in centos 5..... |
| 23:52.31 | mindjuju | ~apb mgeary |
| 23:52.31 | ibot | ACTION hires Leland to stake out mgeary |
| 23:52.36 | mgeary | oy |
| 23:53.27 | mindjuju | so mgeary, I've got a client that i've been maintaining his website for the last 3 years, but here lately, he hasn't asked for any changes and the site has been coasting along |
| 23:53.48 | mindjuju | i don't mind watching it for him, but feel there should be some kind of maintenance fee |
| 23:53.53 | mindjuju | what you think? |
| 23:54.46 | mgeary | are you hosting it? |
| 23:54.59 | mindjuju | i've got him at bluehost, he's been there for years |
| 23:55.10 | mindjuju | i was thinking of shifting him over to my linode |
| 23:55.21 | mindjuju | and doing a web hosting + maintenence package |
| 23:56.07 | mindjuju | on the other hand, maybe less overhead to keep it at bluehost and just charge by the hour for what little bit i do |
| 23:57.05 | mindjuju | i need to get him to upgrade, but i think business has been bad for him |
| 23:57.50 | mgeary | well, i'm probably a bad person to ask there |
| 23:57.56 | mgeary | because i have a few clients like that as well |
| 23:58.07 | mgeary | and i don't charge them for just idling, if they're paying the hard costs |
| 23:58.18 | mindjuju | so you host them then |
| 23:58.20 | mgeary | but at the same time, i'm not doing any sort of monitoring and maintenance |
| 23:58.26 | mgeary | well, there's a few of each |