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| 15:05.22 | beandog | Is it just me, or is it a little weird that anyone with hardware access to a freenas box can just access / delete everything? |
| 15:05.37 | beandog | There's gotta be some way to at least password protect that console interface |
| 15:08.26 | ninnypants | http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-announce/201108.mbox/%3C20110824161640.122D387DD@minotaur.apache.org%3E |
| 15:10.49 | TuxToaster | beandog: yeah, that can't be good. |
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| 15:11.14 | beandog | The server is behind lock and key, but still |
| 15:11.22 | beandog | Just seemso dd. |
| 15:11.24 | beandog | odd. |
| 15:11.55 | TuxToaster | yeah, imagine it in environments where that's not used. heh. |
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| 15:12.06 | TuxToaster | disgruntled engineers FTW |
| 15:12.12 | carmony | ftw! |
| 15:12.13 | carmony | lol |
| 15:12.29 | beandog | I like everything else about it so far though |
| 15:12.39 | carmony | about what? |
| 15:12.53 | beandog | While I was playing with it, I did do a full reset ... I didn't realize it'd wipe the entire drives as well |
| 15:12.58 | beandog | So, yah. Important safety tip. |
| 15:13.00 | beandog | carmony: freeNAS |
| 15:13.06 | carmony | ah |
| 15:13.11 | carmony | dunno what that is :P |
| 15:13.17 | beandog | I thought it was just gonna reset the configuration |
| 15:13.20 | beandog | for the usb install |
| 15:15.32 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart beandog |
| 15:15.32 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of beandog's pants |
| 15:16.29 | mindjuju | hot grits ... sounds like fun |
| 15:17.04 | beandog | Oh there we go. I can disable it in the settings :D |
| 15:19.58 | TuxToaster | $lart DexterTheDragon |
| 15:19.58 | raifbot | lowers DexterTheDragon's priority. |
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| 15:20.50 | TuxToaster | beandog: the grits were a bit cooler by the time they reached you |
| 15:20.51 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:21.01 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: thanks mon |
| 15:21.19 | beandog | ~fernpee DexterTheDragon |
| 15:28.07 | carmony | to say the least it was the first thing I verified was backed up this morning |
| 15:28.59 | mindjuju | lion seems cool |
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| 15:32.17 | TuxToaster | carmony: lol |
| 15:32.38 | TuxToaster | yeah lion isn't bad, I've been using it for a while now |
| 15:33.00 | carmony | I just had some issues with the Snow Leopard -> Lion update |
| 15:33.10 | TuxToaster | the only thing to really get used to is the inverted scrolling and the changes in spaces/exposé if you use those |
| 15:33.21 | carmony | I disabled the inverted scrolling |
| 15:33.23 | carmony | for my sanity |
| 15:33.26 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:33.48 | TuxToaster | it's actually not bad, I thought I would end up disabling it but it doesn't really bother me |
| 15:33.58 | carmony | I use synergy a lot |
| 15:34.04 | TuxToaster | that would be annoying. |
| 15:35.11 | TuxToaster | I got out of the habit of using Synergy when I found out the place I used to work for had an app on my Mac to log everything I did. |
| 15:35.12 | TuxToaster | heh. |
| 15:35.55 | TuxToaster | I could probably use it now, but I'd have to break the separate keyboard habit again |
| 15:36.05 | beandog | TuxToaster: wait, whut? |
| 15:36.11 | beandog | They logged everything you did? |
| 15:36.20 | TuxToaster | heh. yeah. |
| 15:36.26 | beandog | that's a bit of a red flag |
| 15:36.38 | TuxToaster | oh, there were a lot of red flags. :-) |
| 15:36.43 | beandog | did they tell you they were logging? |
| 15:36.46 | TuxToaster | needless to say, I'm not there now. |
| 15:36.47 | TuxToaster | nope |
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| 15:36.52 | beandog | that's nasty. |
| 15:37.34 | TuxToaster | oddly enough, I was the only one that was being logged, I think he set it up on the Mac when we first moved into the office, and forgot that it was there, but still. |
| 15:37.50 | beandog | Wow. Crazy. |
| 15:38.02 | TuxToaster | an app called eBlaster, it's nasty. It can log everything from keystrokes to web history to IM conversations to emails |
| 15:38.05 | carmony | my poor kids some day, they are going to be monitored. |
| 15:38.10 | beandog | carmony: lol |
| 15:38.15 | beandog | carmony: by you? |
| 15:38.21 | carmony | yup :P |
| 15:38.23 | beandog | TuxToaster: that is pretty nasty |
| 15:38.32 | beandog | carmony: they'll just go to a friend's house |
| 15:38.39 | beandog | assuming you let them have friends |
| 15:38.52 | TuxToaster | I found out about it because I was searching his email for a CSR we had sent a customer (he left it open in case we needed it while he was out of the office) |
| 15:39.06 | TuxToaster | and I found a ton of these emails from eBlaster which were copies of emails I had sent |
| 15:39.23 | TuxToaster | including stuff in my personal email accounts, etc. |
| 15:39.25 | carmony | beandog: oh they'll be allowed friends, that I approve |
| 15:39.25 | carmony | jk |
| 15:39.26 | beandog | TuxToaster: so he already had copies of it? |
| 15:39.40 | TuxToaster | beandog: yup, it emails a copy of everything it finds |
| 15:39.47 | beandog | uh |
| 15:39.48 | beandog | wow |
| 15:39.55 | beandog | TuxToaster: whatd you do once you found out |
| 15:40.27 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:41.21 | TuxToaster | I mentioned it during a meeting regarding a silly contract that I was being forced to sign, but he just brushed it off like it was no big deal. |
| 15:41.57 | beandog | they were forcing you to sign a new contract? |
| 15:42.02 | beandog | a "renegotiation" or something? |
| 15:42.14 | TuxToaster | but I stopped accessing anything even remotely sensitive from that machine, stopped using synergy, etc. |
| 15:43.49 | TuxToaster | no, the contract was even more of a mess. They wanted us to sign an agreement that we would be "all in" and would work for only them, it was supposed to be a protection for them since he wanted to offer a bonus program |
| 15:44.25 | TuxToaster | but it included stuff like the assignment of rights of *anything* that I had developed over the last few years to the company. So yeah, I refused to sign it. :-) |
| 15:44.37 | carmony | lol, wow, yeah |
| 15:45.33 | beandog | wow |
| 15:45.37 | beandog | what happened after that? |
| 15:45.50 | beandog | man, I thought I had worked for some low-lifes |
| 15:45.57 | carmony | Alright, anyone have any experience with having svn auto-update a remote staging server? |
| 15:46.04 | TuxToaster | he eventually backed off of that, but I was done with it. Had a few opportunities that I was looking at moving to but oddly enough they all drew out for months at a time, till I finally had something come up a couple months ago so now I'm out of there. :-) |
| 15:46.10 | TuxToaster | carmony: yup |
| 15:46.37 | TuxToaster | we just had a cron job that would run svn update once a minute |
| 15:46.41 | beandog | wow, who are these guys? are they still in business? |
| 15:46.56 | carmony | yeah, see I'm trying to figure out a more on-demand way of doing it |
| 15:47.08 | beandog | Man it's stories like those that make me dismiss theories that it takes a lot of skill to run a business. |
| 15:47.28 | carmony | beandog: there is a lot of timing and luck in it as well |
| 15:47.35 | TuxToaster | beandog: oh, I have plenty of stories. :-) |
| 15:48.18 | TuxToaster | carmony: I also had a PHP script that would do it, so I had a developer toolbar (once a firefox extension, then eventually just a div included in the page if running from the staging server) that would call svn update when clicked |
| 15:48.32 | TuxToaster | and showed a little spinner window with the status |
| 15:48.52 | beandog | TuxToaster: man, thats awesome. |
| 15:49.53 | TuxToaster | heh, just typed 'calc' instead of 'coda' into Alfred. |
| 15:50.14 | TuxToaster | If I ever get to coding in pure numbers, shoot me. |
| 15:52.10 | carmony | lol |
| 15:53.14 | TuxToaster | disclaimer: this is probably a bit messy, but it works. Quick n dirty. |
| 15:53.16 | TuxToaster | http://pastie.org/private/lp3qjlt4pg2da908vk8k2g |
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| 15:53.55 | TuxToaster | I just had an entry in the sudoers file to allow sudo access to /usr/bin/svn for the web user |
| 15:54.10 | TuxToaster | which may not even be needed, depending on your setup. |
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| 15:55.12 | TuxToaster | but it would show a spinning progress bar and then switches to a table with a list of svn changes, or an error that says SVN couldn't be updated, which if you click on it it runs svn cleanup to clear any locks, etc. |
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| 16:05.03 | jtsnow | carmony: Another way of doing it is writing a post-commit hook |
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| 16:45.08 | beandog | ~zfs++ |
| 16:45.09 | beandog | that is all. |
| 16:45.20 | beandog | I can't believe we don't have this in the linux kernel |
| 16:46.16 | fungus | ~zfs++ |
| 16:46.26 | beandog | fungus: o hai |
| 16:46.45 | jsmith | beandog: And the way Oracle is claiming that APIs are eligible for copyright protection, I for one am glad it's *not* in the Linux kernel :-p |
| 16:46.47 | fungus | iah o |
| 16:46.53 | TuxToaster | is ZFS not in the kernel still? |
| 16:46.59 | fungus | Never will be |
| 16:46.59 | beandog | nopes |
| 16:47.03 | TuxToaster | I know there were some major bugs with it at one point |
| 16:47.05 | beandog | silly oracle. Won't play with others. |
| 16:47.11 | TuxToaster | I haven't used it in a long time. |
| 16:47.12 | fungus | Licensing, not bugs |
| 16:47.18 | mindjuju | happy bday linux |
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| 16:47.22 | TuxToaster | ah, yeah, Oracle sucks. |
| 16:48.09 | fungus | The licensing problem was started by Sun not Oracle. but yes, Oracle sucks too |
| 16:48.32 | beandog | silly Sun |
| 16:48.49 | beandog | http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatAboutTheLicensingIssue |
| 16:49.41 | fungus | Sun plays with others, but only in games that Sun likes to play. |
| 16:49.51 | beandog | heh |
| 16:50.00 | fungus | eg. FreeBSD is able to play the CDDL game with SUN |
| 16:50.57 | mahelious | hes just compensating with quantity because, deep down, Jobs knows he'll never have "Developers...Developers...Developers..." |
| 16:51.25 | mahelious | err, wrong channel. sorry |
| 16:51.28 | fungus | lol |
| 16:51.29 | beandog | lol |
| 16:51.32 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:51.44 | TuxToaster | fungus: ah, yeah Sun was known for that as well I guess. I just have a deep disposition against Oracle. :-) |
| 16:52.19 | fungus | Of course, and you should. Oracle is heinously evil. Sun was just misguided. |
| 16:52.35 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 16:52.39 | TuxToaster | so true |
| 16:52.43 | undertakingyou | heh, |
| 16:52.51 | beandog | agreed |
| 16:53.07 | TuxToaster | especially when they buy out technology and single-handedly destroy it |
| 16:54.22 | TuxToaster | they bought out the contact center solution we used to run our call center, and moved to a structure where you would call into their level 1 support and have to go through basic troubleshooting with them before having the guys who actually knew the product help you |
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| 16:55.04 | beandog | companies are weird. |
| 16:55.12 | TuxToaster | I remember a weekend when the phone system went down, hard, and I've got some chick on the phone in Singapore who is asking me "did you try xxxxx" but had absolutely no clue what that meant. |
| 16:55.37 | TuxToaster | when I did finally get someone better on the phone, they're like "well, we don't know, we've never had that happen before. You'll just have to start over." |
| 16:56.14 | TuxToaster | so... our phone system is completely down, and you want me to create a fresh database and ... "start over"? seriously? lol |
| 16:56.45 | beandog | TuxToaster sure has interesting adventures at work |
| 16:56.57 | TuxToaster | (the problem was that the database was in MSSQL, and it was stuck in maintenance mode, and when the services would start it would keep kicking it back in there. |
| 16:57.56 | beandog | mssql? I think I located your problem. |
| 16:58.06 | TuxToaster | so, I decided to try something different, so I moved the old DB files out, created a new DB with the same name and started it up, got it to recognize that it was all fine, then shut down SQL and copied the old files back over the new one, and started it back up. |
| 16:58.30 | TuxToaster | all the while, listening to the guy on the phone telling me they have no idea how to fix it and explaining what I'd need to do to start a fresh install. |
| 16:58.50 | TuxToaster | beandog: yeah, that was one of a few issues with that setup. :-) |
| 16:59.19 | TuxToaster | for being a 24x7 call center, it really sucked how often I'd have to shut down and restart the phone system |
| 16:59.21 | utahcon | anyone here have experience with cwrsync? |
| 16:59.56 | TuxToaster | and if you didn't do it in a very specific way, it would randomly crash during the middle of the day, or you'd end up with ghost calls stuck in the queue that would keep ringing people's phones but couldn't be answered. |
| 17:00.00 | TuxToaster | fun stuff. |
| 17:00.55 | beandog | wow. |
| 17:01.06 | beandog | a 24hour call center? |
| 17:01.16 | beandog | to maintain? |
| 17:02.00 | TuxToaster | yup. I got into a regimen of staying all night on Monday nights and doing a full reboot of the phone system |
| 17:02.13 | TuxToaster | keept most of the issues at bay. |
| 17:03.19 | TuxToaster | though that one DB issue showed up on a Saturday, we were down for 6 hours until I got it back up by playing the bait-and-switch with the DB files, I don't even want to think about what would have happened if I'd followed their advice of starting a new install at that point... |
| 17:03.46 | beandog | Well at the very least, you made some new friends in Singapore |
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| 17:06.35 | carmony | sigh |
| 17:06.44 | carmony | so, when you do an install of Lion |
| 17:07.29 | carmony | you select which partition to install on, etc |
| 17:07.51 | carmony | it inheriently just tries to install on the existing OS, like a Windows Repair |
| 17:08.02 | TuxToaster | beandog: heh, not so sure about that. One of the few times I lost my temper with someone on the phone. I'm usually pretty understanding of the fact that they are just doing their job, etc. etc. -- I've been there, done that, managed a call center, I know what it's like |
| 17:08.04 | carmony | instead of asking if I Want to format that partition |
| 17:08.28 | carmony | so I spent 3 hours having it install |
| 17:08.35 | carmony | on top of itself |
| 17:08.46 | TuxToaster | but yeah, she got an earful when I couldn't get her to quit asking stupid questions and get me through to someone who knew a database server from a workstation. |
| 17:08.57 | carmony | only to error at the very end with an error that basically said "I had an error. Is lion already installed? Try again." |
| 17:09.00 | carmony | and thats it |
| 17:09.07 | TuxToaster | carmony: oi. |
| 17:09.20 | TuxToaster | carmony: are you using the installer from the App Store? |
| 17:09.21 | carmony | turns out you have to delete and format the partition yourself |
| 17:09.24 | carmony | yeah |
| 17:09.32 | carmony | well, the recovery HD that they installed |
| 17:09.59 | TuxToaster | I want to say that if you run the installer from a USB stick it is supposed to access Disk Utility like the older installs did |
| 17:10.29 | TuxToaster | but you pretty much have always had to handle partitioning yourself, at least I always have... I'd go in to Disk Utility and set up the partitions first |
| 17:10.43 | TuxToaster | I don't recall it ever doing that for me |
| 17:10.55 | carmony | yeah, I'm used to Windows installs |
| 17:11.10 | TuxToaster | there's your sign |
| 17:11.11 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:11.13 | carmony | for how little I use Windows, I seem to install it a lot more often than installing OS X :P |
| 17:11.41 | mindjuju | ~seen josephscott |
| 17:11.48 | ibot | josephscott is currently on #ldstech (3h 21s), last said: 'ok'. |
| 17:11.48 | TuxToaster | heh. I *still* have the Windows 98 product key memorized from the copy I used to have to reinstall frequently |
| 17:11.49 | TuxToaster | and I haven't had to do that in like.. 10 years. |
| 17:11.57 | carmony | lol |
| 17:12.08 | carmony | I used to remember my Win XP key by heart when I was a teen |
| 17:12.19 | carmony | man, I would format every 3 months or so |
| 17:12.48 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 17:12.49 | carmony | haha, I remember when i was trying to get our Win 98 machine and Win XP machine to network over a cross-connect |
| 17:13.00 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:13.03 | carmony | when I first tried setting it up, didn't work, so I formated both machines |
| 17:13.06 | carmony | still didn't work |
| 17:13.10 | carmony | so I formatted again |
| 17:13.18 | carmony | and hoped the wizards would work the second time |
| 17:13.20 | TuxToaster | I remember trying to get a Windows 3.1 box to talk over a leased modem line |
| 17:13.21 | redroy | So spiderman re-boot and ghost rider sequel? Lame. |
| 17:13.21 | carmony | which they did :P |
| 17:13.33 | TuxToaster | which was just a phone line between two modems, no dialtone |
| 17:13.47 | beandog | wow |
| 17:13.48 | TuxToaster | wasn't very happy when it didn't work |
| 17:13.52 | beandog | I avoid reinstalling Windows as much as possible |
| 17:14.32 | TuxToaster | beandog: hard to do sometimes though, get enough crap in there and that's the only good way to get rid of it :-) |
| 17:14.51 | beandog | Yah, see, thats the other thing. I won't install *anything* on my Windows boxes. |
| 17:14.59 | carmony | haah |
| 17:15.06 | carmony | a Clean install of XP is pretty nice |
| 17:15.14 | carmony | its when you try to install stuff on it that it gets messy |
| 17:16.24 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 17:16.41 | TuxToaster | the only Windows installs I have left are really basic XP virtual machines |
| 17:16.56 | TuxToaster | mostly for testing websites in IE when I have to *shudders* |
| 17:16.57 | carmony | I feel for microsoft in the way they have SOOO much legacy stuff they have to deal with |
| 17:17.12 | TuxToaster | and the occasional fit for playing a couple of Windows based games that have a place in my heart |
| 17:17.23 | carmony | haha, which games TuxToaster ? |
| 17:17.40 | mindjuju | ~apb jtsnow |
| 17:17.40 | ibot | ACTION summons Beth to stake out jtsnow |
| 17:18.13 | TuxToaster | carmony: yup, I once heard from someone that supposedly the reason IE 6 sucked so much was because they have some SLA contracts with vendors from years ago that prevent them from removing legacy stuff that supports some apps those vendors use |
| 17:18.28 | carmony | yeah |
| 17:18.39 | TuxToaster | carmony: mostly Slingo and Microsoft's Fury 3 |
| 17:18.43 | carmony | well its their "we're going to do it our own way" stuff that ends up shooting them in the foot |
| 17:18.50 | carmony | never heard of either |
| 17:19.48 | TuxToaster | Slingo == slots + bingo, it's silly but pretty fun, my dad's second wife got me addicted to it when I stayed with them one summer. |
| 17:20.17 | TuxToaster | Fury 3 isn't much either, but I got a free demo of it once on one of their Sampler CDs and liked it |
| 17:22.14 | carmony | oh wow, I lied... |
| 17:22.18 | carmony | I DO remember Fury 3 |
| 17:22.23 | carmony | on a sample CD |
| 17:22.23 | carmony | LOL |
| 17:22.48 | TuxToaster | yup that's the one. I played that demo hundreds of times easily. |
| 17:23.07 | carmony | I wonder if gog has it |
| 17:23.37 | TuxToaster | eventually found the full game on some site and picked it up, but it was a bit weird since the first few levels on there are different from the ones on the demo |
| 17:24.07 | carmony | oh man, GoG has some good games that bring back memories |
| 17:24.25 | mindjuju | red alert was fun game |
| 17:24.42 | carmony | I remember settlers 2 - http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_settlers_2_gold_edition/ |
| 17:25.30 | TuxToaster | heh, you're going to get me distracted looking through them |
| 17:29.39 | beandog | yay, blood |
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| 17:35.09 | beandog | oh, my grawr |
| 17:35.13 | beandog | zfs is so freaking zippy. |
| 17:35.17 | beandog | ++ |
| 17:36.53 | carmony | they have rollercoster tycoon.... |
| 17:36.56 | carmony | ok |
| 17:37.01 | carmony | Need to stop looking :P |
| 17:37.13 | beandog | Running du freaking flies |
| 17:37.15 | beandog | carmony: heh |
| 17:37.38 | carmony | my bro and I wasted so much time on this game... |
| 17:38.28 | TuxToaster | $lart carmony |
| 17:38.28 | raifbot | teaches carmony that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 17:38.43 | carmony | ouch |
| 17:38.46 | carmony | that hurts |
| 17:38.47 | carmony | :P |
| 17:38.51 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:40.59 | beandog | carmony: Ive never played that one. I hear it's good tho |
| 17:43.36 | carmony | its fun |
| 17:43.51 | carmony | we would create rollercosters without testing them first... |
| 17:43.59 | carmony | and kill a bunch of people on accident... |
| 17:44.16 | mindjuju | you can do that in minecraft |
| 17:44.17 | TuxToaster | yeah, accident. |
| 17:44.21 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 17:44.48 | TuxToaster | LOL... NASA has some strict testing they did, they'd have whipped him into shape. |
| 17:45.00 | beandog | sounds like Thrillville on PS2. That game is fun |
| 17:45.20 | mindjuju | ie, get a dectector track, wire it to some TNT just ahead, it makes for a LOT of fun to watch |
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| 17:50.13 | Utah_Dave1 | TuxToaster: sounds like you guys need some Asterisk love |
| 17:53.14 | mindjuju | ~apb DtD |
| 17:53.14 | ibot | ACTION calls baby Lyssa to rough up DtD |
| 17:53.23 | mindjuju | can you kick that over to OALUG |
| 17:53.33 | mindjuju | imma gonna register today so i'll stop buggin' |
| 17:53.58 | DexterTheDragon | ~pong mindjuju |
| 17:53.58 | ibot | mindjuju: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:54.04 | TuxToaster | Utah_Dave1: I'm not there anymore. I tried to move us to Asterisk, but they had already put a ton of money into buying that system |
| 17:54.28 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: oh the email? |
| 17:54.39 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:54.44 | DexterTheDragon | sure thing |
| 17:54.47 | mindjuju | thx bro |
| 17:54.54 | mindjuju | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 17:55.04 | Utah_Dave1 | TuxToaster: they should have their accountants explain sunk costs to them! :) Glad you escaped from there, TuxToaster! |
| 17:55.35 | TuxToaster | Utah_Dave1: we did end up routing most of the calls through asterisk though as the server's routing stuff was practically non-existent, and I wrote a basic IVR to take automated credit card payments using PHP and the AGI |
| 17:55.55 | Utah_Dave1 | TuxToaster: awesome! |
| 17:56.12 | TuxToaster | yeah, they ended up recently laying off most of their staff and outsourcing to the Phillipenes |
| 17:57.57 | beandog | TuxToaster's work has international implications |
| 17:58.13 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:58.27 | TuxToaster | surprisingly enough, it has. :-) |
| 18:05.36 | TuxToaster | ugh, BoA needs to learn how to write webapps. |
| 18:06.07 | TuxToaster | waiting on my mortgage to finish underwriting so we can close, their site says the estimated closing date is August 25th. |
| 18:06.40 | TuxToaster | orly? Because if there are still things pending, I dont' see how it estimates that it will fund today. |
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| 18:27.31 | ninnypants | I wonder if that's like when their password validation tells your that your password is valid and invalid at the same time |
| 18:28.28 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 18:29.12 | ninnypants | yeah apparently "must contain a number" != "can start with a number" |
| 18:30.10 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 18:30.18 | TuxToaster | that's with BofA? |
| 18:30.48 | ninnypants | yeah |
| 18:31.12 | TuxToaster | heh, I'll have to keep that in mind |
| 18:31.25 | TuxToaster | if they ever finish underwriting, that is. |
| 18:32.02 | ninnypants | it takes forever it took a whole day to even get all the paper work signed when I got my home loan |
| 18:32.39 | ninnypants | then it took another 4 days for them to get the other person to do all the title paperwork and to have everything go through |
| 18:34.36 | TuxToaster | oi |
| 18:35.10 | ninnypants | the backend for checking/modifying your account sucks really bad too |
| 18:35.36 | TuxToaster | they've been pretty decent so far, but the thing that really frustrates me is when I ask the processor a direct question and she ignores the email or selectively answers if there's more than one question |
| 18:36.37 | TuxToaster | only reason I'm going with them is they're the only ones that are following the FHA guidelines right now. Our credit scores suck due to some medical bills that my wife's insurance never took care of |
| 18:37.39 | TuxToaster | I've got them all paid off now (even though I don't think we should have had to pay them, but anyways), but I definitely am not waiting months or even years for the scores to improve enough for other places to accept us |
| 18:37.40 | ninnypants | They did ok with us but I'm not very impressed but we did get a rate of 4.5% so I can't complain too much |
| 18:38.02 | TuxToaster | yeah we're at 4.25% |
| 18:38.51 | ninnypants | nice I'd heard the rates had dropped again |
| 18:39.18 | TuxToaster | yup. They went as low as 4.125% last Friday I think, but staying around 4.25 right now |
| 18:40.50 | TuxToaster | the underwriters have been giving me crap about employment documentation but now that hopefully they've got everything they need we can get closed. I just hope it happens before next weekend, or we'll have family and a moving truck but no house. |
| 18:42.01 | ninnypants | had the same thing happen with fam and moving truck but ended up moving everything myself cause it took so long |
| 18:43.04 | TuxToaster | heh. that sucks. |
| 18:43.24 | TuxToaster | if the status page doesn't update in a couple of hours I'll have to call and ruffle some feathers. |
| 18:44.35 | TuxToaster | anyone checking Mel's post? |
| 18:45.08 | TuxToaster | err, wrong chat. heh. |
| 18:47.01 | beandog | man it's stories like that that make me scared to buy a house |
| 18:47.11 | ninnypants | I'm surprised they gave you crap for employment history I took my loan out at 20-21 and had no problem |
| 18:47.19 | beandog | or own more than I can stuff in my car. too late for that, though. |
| 18:47.57 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: well that and this http://xkcd.com/616/ |
| 18:48.06 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: not for history, but because I just started working for a startup |
| 18:48.31 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: lol |
| 18:48.32 | beandog | I love Batman |
| 18:48.37 | ninnypants | oh makes a little more sense |
| 18:48.47 | TuxToaster | the underwriter wanted an explanation as to why there isn't a dedicated business line, why it doesn't show up in a google search, etc. etc. |
| 18:48.54 | TuxToaster | I'm like... uh... it's a startup? |
| 18:50.22 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: what's your startup? |
| 18:50.48 | TuxToaster | it's not mine, I just work for them. http://www.studentgenius.com/ |
| 18:52.19 | beandog | I just realized I look smarter with my glasses on. |
| 18:52.23 | beandog | I can fool the world! |
| 18:52.33 | beandog | although I almost typed wolrd |
| 18:52.54 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:54.15 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: is it the one where companies get the students to work for them or whatever like they send projects to the professors to have the students do them? |
| 18:56.27 | TuxToaster | it's a site to let both students and companies post visual profiles to try and attract each other |
| 18:56.49 | TuxToaster | so instead of just posting your resume on Monster, you could go on there and post videos, pictures, code samples, whatever |
| 18:56.57 | TuxToaster | and kind of show off what you've done |
| 19:00.01 | ninnypants | oh ok I saw one at launch up a while back that linked the companies to professors or schools. The companies wolud pay the schools less than market average to have the students do their projects for a grade. |
| 19:00.26 | ninnypants | something like that. Seemed a little wrong to me |
| 19:02.05 | carmony | Gah, there was one thing I forgot to backup before refortmatting... my extensive /etc/hosts file :P |
| 19:02.45 | unum | what is this 1982? |
| 19:02.55 | carmony | lol |
| 19:03.21 | carmony | I used it for all sorts of shortcuts for my servers |
| 19:03.30 | unum | we have these things call zone files :p |
| 19:03.49 | carmony | lol |
| 19:04.12 | unum | most systems will automatically search with in the domain |
| 19:04.20 | unum | so you just have to type the hostname |
| 19:04.37 | unum | which may be longer than the ipv4 address..... |
| 19:06.06 | unum | in a couple of hours I'll be giving an intro to html to my coworkers |
| 19:06.25 | unum | but before that I decided to do a little computer basics presentation |
| 19:06.48 | unum | we work a lot with acsii files, and I'm not sure how much people understand what that means |
| 19:07.29 | unum | we once had a guy open up a csv file in excel, mark the text as bold, and then resave as csv |
| 19:07.40 | unum | and this guy had a CIS DEGREE!!!!!! |
| 19:07.49 | unum | I wouldn't have given him one of those |
| 19:08.14 | carmony | LOL |
| 19:09.53 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: ah, interesting idea |
| 19:10.53 | TuxToaster | nah, this is one of CG's clients that is trying to get up and going, but wanted a dedicated programmer. So I'm working at CG's office but for them. |
| 19:11.11 | TuxToaster | which is apparently a hard concept for BoA |
| 19:12.11 | ninnypants | I don't think most people wolud understand ;) |
| 19:13.06 | TuxToaster | heh, you wouldn't think it would be that big of a deal. "We're just getting started, so we are sharing office space with another company, we don't have a dedicated phone line yet." |
| 19:13.12 | TuxToaster | simple, no? :P |
| 19:13.20 | ninnypants | but yeah the whole idea of the college making money off of students doing work for companies when the students are probably paying for the projects course since it is required for their degree seems wrong to me |
| 19:14.46 | TuxToaster | agree |
| 19:14.48 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: for sure. Wouldn't a phone number for your boss not work or something |
| 19:14.50 | TuxToaster | agreed* |
| 19:15.00 | TuxToaster | I thought so, but they didn't like that |
| 19:15.19 | TuxToaster | but the funny thing is.... the first method they used to check was by just googling the company. |
| 19:15.46 | TuxToaster | so they go through all of this now to get CPA documents and such proving that the company exists and letters, etc... |
| 19:16.24 | TuxToaster | but if I'd just put up a phone number on the website to begin with and had someone answer it as the company, they would have accepted that without any research. Seems... backwards to me. |
| 19:17.14 | TuxToaster | I was shocked when I saw her email saying she couldn't find contact info on Google for it as the reason why they needed the docs. |
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| 20:05.40 | mgeary | heh. i got a call at the office once when i was refinancing. They wanted to speak to my boss and confirm that i worked here |
| 20:05.59 | mgeary | my partner was gone, and they wouldn't take it from me |
| 20:06.15 | mgeary | i think i ended up having an employee take the call |
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| 20:43.11 | influx | G'day. |
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| 20:44.09 | TuxToaster | $lart carmony |
| 20:44.09 | raifbot | beats carmony to within 2.54cm of his life. |
| 20:44.17 | carmony | alrighty, on the freshly installed Mac... |
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| 21:43.13 | beandog | carmony: you're branching out from reinstalling windows? |
| 21:43.14 | beandog | good man |
| 21:43.19 | beandog | be liberal. |
| 21:43.22 | beandog | don't just screw up one OS |
| 21:43.55 | beandog | :) |
| 21:44.15 | beandog | Actually I can relate to OS X install woes. It does not play well with other partitions. Kinda like Windows. Not enough install options. |
| 21:55.05 | TuxToaster | wait till you've tried hackintoshing |
| 21:55.20 | TuxToaster | that can be messy. |
| 21:56.06 | beandog | sounds messy |
| 21:56.24 | mindjuju | oh wow, portal 2 marriage proposal with the REALLY REAL glados doing the voice??? uber cool - http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/romance-still-alive-portal-2-proposal-wows-001416958.html |
| 21:56.40 | TuxToaster | a Dell Precision M4300 is surprisingly close to a MBP, hardware wise |
| 21:56.56 | TuxToaster | but just different enough to be glitchy. |
| 21:58.36 | beandog | TuxToaster: doesnt seem worth the risk / hassle |
| 21:59.35 | TuxToaster | it was for me when I didn't have an MBP and couldn't afford one. |
| 22:00.38 | TuxToaster | I'd have ran linux, but I needed to be able to use the iPhone SDK and such |
| 22:01.22 | beandog | howd it work out |
| 22:02.56 | TuxToaster | not bad overall, actually. Biggest two gripes I had was 1) there was some issue with the kernel and that machine combo that caused it to lock up instead of power off when shutting down or restarting |
| 22:03.21 | TuxToaster | and 2) it got pretty hot when the CPU was being used... not necessarily OS X's fault there, but an MBP is usually quite a bit cooler |
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| 23:23.12 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 23:23.13 | raifbot | Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. |
| 23:29.52 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 23:29.52 | raifbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris. |
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| 23:42.48 | beandog | man, zfs is incredibly fast |
| 23:42.49 | beandog | holy cow. |
| 23:42.57 | beandog | I can tell I'm not going to be able to shut up about this. |