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15:31.31ninnypantsmorning all
15:33.36NoCoolName_Tomninnypants: Good morning!
15:35.14ninnypantsNoCoolName_Tom: how'd your presentation go?
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15:45.57NoCoolName_Tomninnypants:  It went really well.  I think everyone liked it.
15:46.15ninnypantsthat's good did you post your slides anywhere?
15:46.24NoCoolName_TomYeah, it'
15:47.14NoCoolName_Tomhttps://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dckhrpn6_250g87p7tt6
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15:58.09carmonygoooooooooooood morning
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15:59.44ninnypantsmorning carmony
16:00.40carmonyhow was everyone's weekend?
16:04.23macnewboldhowdy carmony!
16:04.26macnewboldwe missed you on thursday
16:04.30carmonyI know
16:04.39carmonyI had to be up earlier that morning
16:04.44carmonyand was already super tired
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16:04.52macnewboldNoCoolName_Tom did awesome.. NCN_Tom, I started using php simpletest on Friday :-)
16:06.22carmonyyou know you gave a good presentation when they start using the stuff the next day :P
16:09.18macnewboldyeah, I tried out phpcpd also, but it didn't find quite what I thought it would. Apparently 'copy paste tweak' is not the same, so whenever they rename an identifier or something, or do a search/replace, it doesn't count as copy paste any more
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16:09.23macnewboldbut i had some fun playing with it.
16:09.30macnewboldsimpletest is working out awesome though :-D
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16:25.48stderr-my weekend was good.  welcomed a new member into our family :)
16:26.47PoeticIntensityhuge contratulations, stderr- !!
16:26.50PoeticIntensitythat's awesome!
16:26.53PoeticIntensityboy or girl?
16:26.55influxstderr-: Grats!
16:31.08stderr-girl :)
16:34.55PoeticIntensityawwwwesome!
16:35.29PoeticIntensityDid the birth go okay for everyone?
16:39.37maheliousstderr-: congrats!
16:40.46SunSparcstderr-: congrats!  Got pics?  I do not see any on your FB page yet.
16:47.33stderr-yea, the birth went well.  I've been so tired I haven't uploaded any pics yet, will do soon
16:51.56stderr-http://imgur.com/UhXkH
16:51.59stderr-there ya go
16:52.14SunSparcAhhh... cute.
16:52.39SunSparcSo peaceful when they are sleeping.
16:58.38supernoviacongrats, stderr- :) babies are full of awesome and spitup
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17:24.24crostderr-: Congratulations also (little late to the conversation here).  How many does this make for you?
17:29.44beandogstderr-: right on
17:29.46beandogthat kid has a lot of hair
17:32.23stderr-cro: second, I have an 8 year old stepdaughter, too
17:32.30stderr-beandog: yea she does
17:35.58crostderr-: Is she excited about the new addition?
17:36.13stderr-oh yea, extremely excited
17:37.07crosupernovia: Ours never spit up much.  They were full of …. other things. :-/
17:37.28supernoviahehe
17:38.05supernoviaMary was really great at shooting spitup across the room
17:38.22croit's her superpower!
17:38.34supernoviaI remember it landing on someone's shirt and he said, "Wait — is that formula or breastmilk?"
17:39.08crofair question from an experienced father.  Formula stains. Breastmilk doesn't
17:39.11supernoviaand when he learned the truth, he got up yelling and ran for a wet washcloth
17:39.24crooh
17:39.28cro:-)
17:39.43supernoviaYeah, he wasn't an experienced father at that point or he would have known just that
17:39.54supernoviabut the idea of having MY milk on HIS shirt had him entirely freaked out ;-D
17:40.04croSO funny how our perspectives change
17:40.10maheliousnow i want to see the science behind that?  why would formula leave stains if milk does not?
17:40.36croI'm not sure but I suspect it has something to do with the oils/fats they add to formula
17:41.02crobecause all our formula stains looked like the same kinds you get from dropped french fries or other fried food
17:41.40cromaybe I should call Mythbusters
17:41.44supernoviaYeah!
17:41.58maheliousguess i gotta start checking whether formulas are transfat free...
17:42.03supernoviaOnly maybe some mom's milk is different than other mom's milk...
17:42.14croJamie and Adam might have too much fun with that
17:42.19supernovialol
17:42.43mahelioushopefully it would go down like this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDEQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DA5r2Dr5C4Yo&ei=BZVSTtOUEczSiAKNxKlr&usg=AFQjCNFu-O7S-UuW6d8hSw1OUjTXP3EeWw&sig2=I3F1RrUEI6K8sHMOLiEXIg
17:42.56maheliousoh, wow.  should have tinyurl'd that.  sorry
17:43.40herlo~tinyurl mahelious
17:43.41ibotACTION runs '/exec tinyurl.sh http://maps.google.com//maps/ms?ie=UTF8&addr=mahelious' and laughs maniacally!
17:43.48crooh my gosh, that was disturbing o.O
17:44.39cro(funny though)
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18:47.10Utah_DaveYay! I'm finally sitting in my Asterisk training class. Been trying to get work to pay for this for 5 or 6 years now.
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18:58.56SunSparcUtah_Dave: Is it all you every dreamed it would be?
19:00.35Utah_Dave:) of course, SunSparc! I'm loving the swag: cool digium backpack, voip phone, analog server card and t1 server card!
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19:45.23SunSparcUtah_Dave: Right on.  We use a Digium Switchvox here.  The Switchvox is build on ASterisk.
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20:18.15josephscottawesome question - http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2992-while-setting-up-an-account-at-the-national
20:23.30herlonice
20:28.40mindjujuanybody know the recommended disk space for a centos 5.x install
20:28.47mindjujui've googled, but can't seem to find definitive
20:31.44Utah_Davemindjuju: I just installed centos with just a few extra packages. It came out to about 3.3 gigs.
20:32.11Utah_DaveDon't know if that helps or not, but I don't know what the recommended amount is either.
20:32.39josephscottno one will ever need more than 640 GB of disk space
20:36.47mindjuju:)
20:41.47herlojosephscott: need? need?! I want!
20:43.04mindjujuso atomicness in svn means like db transaction, all or nothing?
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21:23.14mindjujuany mac users in the house?
21:23.24mindjujuoh fungus is here!
21:23.28mindjujucool!  very missed!
21:23.38fungushehe, back in the saddle again
21:23.53mindjujuoh wait, darn, just figured it out
21:23.57mindjuju:)
21:24.11mindjujuwas having a problem accessing a console session using rdp on a mac
21:24.25mindjujubut it turns out the instructions i sent the guy worked :)
21:24.30mindjujustill great to see ya fungus
21:25.56fungusFYI a better RDP client for Mac... CoRD
21:26.09fungushttp://cord.sourceforge.net/
21:33.49croJolly's Fast VNC is good too, though it's semi-payware
21:34.30crooops, sorry, no RDP support
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23:01.46mindjuju1hey fungus, got a minute?
23:02.09fungussure
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23:02.49mindjuju1so, Tiffany is going back to school and she needs a laptop and I just want her to use it if i get her something, so as she has an iphone and such, i'm thinking of getting her a MBP
23:03.14fungusfun
23:03.23mindjuju1now, they vary in price, especially if it's older, she went to simply mac, saw some refurbs
23:03.29mindjuju1some as old as 2k6
23:03.44mindjuju1way cheap, some 2010, about $1000
23:04.14mindjuju1so first question, how will performance be affected using an older macbook pro?
23:05.00fungusdepends on processor.  There has been quite a lot of processor improvements over the years
23:05.00croIf she runs Lion (10.7) she needs lots of RAM.  The older MBPs will only take 4 GB max
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23:05.28croHowever, I have a 5 year old MacBook that I had to use while my MBP was in the shop, and it was totally usable
23:05.43mindjuju1hmmm, k so for example, 2006 MBP 15" is $475
23:05.52croThat's pretty old
23:05.59mindjuju1it has 2.0 core duo and 2gb ram
23:06.27croyou could make it function pretty well if you put 4 GB of RAM in it and added a Seagate Momentus XT hybrid platter/SSD drive.
23:06.34croor a full-blown SSD
23:07.30mindjuju1so here is question cro, she's a meat and potatoes kind of girl, nothing real fancy
23:07.43mindjuju1so, she'll do chrome and open office
23:07.45mindjuju1but that's about it
23:07.53croit'll be fine
23:07.56mindjuju1would that comp i posted be le sux on that?
23:08.05croI don't think so
23:08.25mindjuju1there is a macbook 2010 with 2.4 core2 duo and 2gb ram and os 10.6 for $900
23:08.54mindjuju1seems like i read that upgrade ram not bad, maybe i could boost that
23:09.17mindjuju1i think our target range is 900 - 1200, but twelve is high
23:09.18crothat's not worth it, the baseline Macbook Air (11 inch screen) is $999
23:09.34mindjuju1ah, see this is good intel that i didn't know
23:09.47croIf you could talk them down, that is a great little machine
23:09.53croesp when you put more RAM in it
23:09.57mindjuju1so what's up with macbook air ?
23:10.18mindjuju1i can guess that MB and MBP is MBP prolly higher proc and more ram
23:10.18fungusmindjuju1, I recommend a minimum of core2duo.
23:10.32crothe 11 inch is a dual core i5 at 1.6GHz, 2 GB of RAM, and 64 GB SSD
23:10.32mindjuju1but how does air fit into picture?
23:10.47croit's just thin, light, and pretty sturdy
23:11.01mindjuju1is macbook air like a netbook?
23:11.13fungusno
23:11.21fungusit's a lightweight laptop
23:11.59croApple really nailed it I think, at least with the 13"
23:12.06croI think the 11" would be too small for me
23:12.32fungus11" is more of a target for the netbook people
23:12.42fungusbut it's far more powerful than netbooks
23:12.46croAnd if the 11" would work for her you could watch for refurbs, they are sometimes 15-20% off
23:12.50mindjuju1well, she does love the ipad
23:13.04mindjuju1and she does mention the thing about it is that it is light
23:13.32fungusfor lugging around school, an MBA would be nice
23:13.40crooh yeah
23:14.05mindjuju1i wonder what it looks like with the school discount
23:14.14croHere's a refurb 11" with 4GB of RAM:
23:14.23crohttp://store.apple.com/us/product/G0JK0LL/A?mco=MjM2MTA2MjY
23:14.29cro$1049
23:14.38croit's last generation though
23:14.39fungusthough if it's a primary machine (no desktop at home), a 13" would be better
23:14.54crofungus is right, at least if you don't get an external monitor
23:15.10fungustrue, an external monitor would work too
23:15.16croschool discount is generally 12-15%
23:15.18mindjuju1she does have a LCD at home that's her
23:17.49fungushttp://store.apple.com/us/browse/campaigns/back_to_school
23:18.36croIf the machine comes preloaded with Lion, you really need 4 GB of RAM
23:18.53fungusthe latest model of MBA is much faster than last one.
23:20.09croyes, definitely
23:20.12mindjuju1so guys, what about this one?  http://store.apple.com/us_edu_381322/product/FC234LL/A?mco=MTA4MzI1NjI
23:20.28crothat's 2 generations back
23:20.55fungusmindjuju1, for that price, go for new
23:21.26fungusYeah, two generations back, and only $100 or so cheaper, that's BS
23:21.55croLook here for performance comparisons:
23:21.56crohttp://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/mac-benchmarks/
23:22.26mindjuju1k, i just talked to her, she loved the air, she said it was just right
23:23.33crothe 11" and 13" MBAs from 2011 are double the performance of the late 2010 models
23:23.41cro(according to Geekbench)
23:24.18mindjuju1so if i recall, the air doesn't have the DVI port out right, so i need something that way
23:24.26crono, it does
23:24.32mindjuju1ah cool
23:24.34croit's a Thunderbolt port on later models
23:24.48croand a Mini-DP I think on earlier ones
23:25.00croTB or MiniDP will work with a Mini-DP to DVI or VGA cable
23:26.10mindjuju1so i guess last question then is, is 2 inch larger screen worth the $100?
23:26.21mindjuju1i wonder what the weight diff is
23:26.40crohttp://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html
23:26.59mindjuju1ha!  i just found that right when you sent it
23:27.01mindjuju1thx!
23:27.10cro.27 kg diff
23:27.37cro270 grams
23:29.06mindjuju1oh wait, that's not apples to apples
23:29.27mindjuju1i'm also getting ram increase and cpu speed increase and screen increase
23:29.37crooh, yeah
23:29.48mindjuju1oh funny, no pun intended
23:54.21macnewbold~mindjuju1--
23:54.33macnewboldhm, would that make mindjuju0 or just mindjuju?
23:54.38macnewboldthe latter is what i intended
23:55.42mindjuju1huh?
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23:57.20mindjuju@macnewbold, what'd i do for the -- ?
23:57.31macnewboldi was just trying to get rid of the 1
23:57.33macnewboldit didn't work
23:57.37macnewbold~mindjuju1++
23:57.42mindjujuah
23:57.55mindjujuto do that you have to do /ghost i think
23:57.58mindjujuit's something like that
23:58.12macnewboldyou already fixed it with /nick
23:58.21mindjujuyeah, it's the long way
23:58.30macnewboldthough /ghost works if you can't nick because mindjuju is still in the channel
23:58.36mindjujuah

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