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| 15:26.21 | mindjuju | i know this topic isn't common in this forum, but PHP 5.3.7 just launched |
| 15:27.00 | josephscott | man, had to go and be on topic and all |
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| 15:32.34 | mindjuju | so josephscott, do you understand this threadsafe non threadsafe versions of php, i can't seem to find info on it, and i never understood it, let alone the VC6 and the VC9 |
| 15:32.41 | mindjuju | those i understand a little better |
| 15:32.58 | josephscott | threadsafe has to do with how you run PHP |
| 15:33.04 | mindjuju | oh,, on winders |
| 15:33.29 | mindjuju | seems like one is for IIS and the other is for apache on winders,, right? |
| 15:33.48 | josephscott | mostly, but you can also run in a threaded mode on many/most unix style systems as well |
| 15:34.07 | josephscott | but for most folks, the issue of PHP and threadsafe usually comes up under windows |
| 15:34.17 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:39.52 | beandog | PHP isn't very threadsafe |
| 15:40.10 | beandog | It's better to run it as a CGI module |
| 15:40.34 | josephscott | last time I looked, PHP itself was fine for threads |
| 15:42.36 | beandog | last I read, php's documentation recommended not doing |
| 15:42.37 | beandog | it |
| 15:43.27 | josephscott | I didn't say I'd recommend it, just that it should run fine in a threaded environment |
| 15:43.49 | beandog | I can never find the doc. |
| 15:43.57 | josephscott | with IIS pushing fastcgi for PHP I think there is less and less of an issue in that area |
| 15:44.18 | josephscott | and I don't generally recommend IIS and Windows for a web server, but it is possible :-) |
| 15:44.28 | beandog | http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.installation.php#faq.installation.apache2 |
| 15:44.30 | beandog | there's one |
| 15:44.48 | beandog | anyway. IIRC it was because of some of the modules aren't threadsafe. |
| 15:45.58 | beandog | ah well, can't find the other one. |
| 16:04.28 | mindjuju | wearing a costume gives you superpowers - http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/epic-fail-photos-captain-america-cosplay-fail.gif |
| 16:08.37 | josephscott | if you were going to play dodgeball, this looks like a much more fun way to do it http://devour.com/video/trampoline-dodgeball/ |
| 16:10.58 | beandog | thats kinda what jump on it is like |
| 16:11.23 | mindjuju | slow mo jumping with cool techno music? |
| 16:11.29 | beandog | not a full enclosed circle though |
| 16:11.33 | beandog | but half of it has the tramps on the side |
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| 17:24.42 | mindjuju | who is all going to UPHPU tonight? |
| 17:25.27 | josephscott | I was planning to go |
| 17:25.39 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:27.18 | macnewbold | me too |
| 17:27.22 | jsmith | mindjuju: As always, I'd love to be there... but can't make it |
| 17:27.25 | herlo | mindjuju: I should be there. I miss my UPHPU peeps |
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| 17:27.39 | mindjuju | heya macnewbold! |
| 17:27.52 | mindjuju | sent ya an email about the UTOS project day raffle, didn't hear back though |
| 17:28.20 | macnewbold | yeah, i meant to talk to you |
| 17:28.27 | mindjuju | how many tickets do you guys need? |
| 17:28.31 | macnewbold | we should distribute some raffle stuff tonight |
| 17:28.43 | macnewbold | lately we've had about 20ish people at the meetings I think |
| 17:28.54 | mindjuju | k, i'll email you some right now |
| 17:29.09 | mindjuju | want to send out promo about the raffle or want me to? |
| 17:29.44 | mindjuju | we're hoping that it'll encourage more people to come out to meeting :) |
| 17:30.24 | mahelious | im going to be there hopefully, might be a bit late |
| 17:30.33 | herlo | mahelious: awesome! |
| 17:30.43 | herlo | would be nice to meet you finally |
| 17:30.59 | macnewbold | i'm about to send a reminder email about tonights meeting |
| 17:31.11 | macnewbold | the drawing is for a Motorola XOOM that runs android, is that right? |
| 17:31.49 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I'll mention the raffle in my email, you're welcome to send out something with more details too. Hitting them twice won't be a bad thing |
| 17:34.14 | herlo | macnewbold: Xoom with android, yes |
| 17:34.55 | synic | is UTOS happening this year? |
| 17:35.31 | herlo | no |
| 17:35.42 | mindjuju | macnewbold, srry steepped away for a minute |
| 17:36.02 | mindjuju | yup on the xoom, if you want you can send them to http://project-day.utos.org/ for more details |
| 17:36.38 | synic | :( |
| 17:36.45 | synic | I come back to utah and I get screwed |
| 17:37.01 | herlo | synic: it's happening next year |
| 17:37.09 | herlo | mindjuju is in charge now |
| 17:37.13 | synic | well ok then |
| 17:37.13 | herlo | so blame him :) |
| 17:37.25 | mindjuju | :( |
| 17:38.00 | herlo | mindjuju: blame can be good or bad, just ask git users :) |
| 17:38.34 | mindjuju | wow, i've got 3 email addys for macnewbold |
| 17:38.37 | josephscott | haha, when is the last time you used blame to find out who wrote that amazing line of code |
| 17:39.21 | herlo | josephscott: the other day |
| 17:39.24 | herlo | josephscott: and it was me! |
| 17:40.12 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I gots lots of email addys - they pretty much all go the same place :) |
| 17:40.25 | macnewbold | the only recent one that isn't valid anymore is mac@skullcandy.com |
| 17:40.38 | macnewbold | my main personal one is mac@macnewbold.com |
| 17:41.00 | mindjuju | ah cool, that's one that i sent to |
| 17:42.38 | macnewbold | so mindjuju: if they come tonight they get a ticket, then by going to the event they'll get another ticket, doubling their chances, right? Max 2 tickets per person, no matter how many user groups they attend, yes? |
| 17:42.51 | mindjuju | almost |
| 17:43.02 | mindjuju | so you get a ticket for every user group meeting you attend |
| 17:43.04 | jsmith | macnewbold: Max three tickets (two from users groups, one from attending the event) |
| 17:43.11 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 17:43.12 | mindjuju | so lets say that i go to uphpu and i go to plug |
| 17:43.12 | josephscott | do you have to be present to win? I think I'll be in New Mexico on the 17th |
| 17:43.18 | jsmith | josephscott: Aye... must be present to win |
| 17:43.21 | mindjuju | then i get 2 tickets and a third for being at project day event |
| 17:43.25 | macnewbold | so do i give them one each tonight? |
| 17:43.25 | mindjuju | 3 chances to win! |
| 17:43.34 | mindjuju | 1 each tonight, yup |
| 17:44.25 | josephscott | bummer, well, I'll take bids from anyone who wants to purchase my ticket for UPHPU tonight :-) |
| 17:44.44 | herlo | lol |
| 17:44.58 | herlo | mindjuju: three chances? |
| 17:45.14 | mindjuju | well three tickets in the pot |
| 17:45.19 | herlo | ummm |
| 17:45.24 | herlo | the tickets only say 2 max |
| 17:45.44 | mindjuju | 2 max per UG meeting, 1 last one from the project day itself |
| 17:45.45 | DexterTheDragon | herlo made them wrong |
| 17:45.58 | herlo | lol DexterTheDragon no |
| 17:46.14 | herlo | mindjuju: okay, your rules. I didn't understand that one :) |
| 17:46.29 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: haha, mindjuju approved them! |
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| 17:46.36 | mindjuju | i think they are fine |
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| 17:50.22 | mahelious | what other events? the lunches? |
| 17:51.06 | mindjuju | ugh,t hat reminds me, this month is weird and next friday is geek lunch friday |
| 17:52.25 | mindjuju | trying to make a custom apache2+php+openssl+freeTDS |
| 17:56.40 | josephscott | freetds, sounds like it will be chatting with mssql |
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| 17:56.51 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:57.17 | mindjuju | it's like climbing mount everest with a ladder, why do something that is crazy enough, when you can climb your ladder at the top and make it harder |
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| 18:13.35 | trevynm | I have some trouble loading controllers and actions in subfolders |
| 18:13.41 | trevynm | with cakePHP 1.3 |
| 18:13.46 | trevynm | anyone want to give it a go |
| 18:13.47 | trevynm | its pying client |
| 18:14.00 | trevynm | we can discuss on #esource I can prepay with paypel ect |
| 18:20.40 | mindjuju | let's see cake |
| 18:20.55 | mindjuju | macnewbold used to do cake, i don't know if code greene still does |
| 18:21.00 | mindjuju | DtD did some cake work |
| 18:21.19 | mindjuju | last i heard though, i think he's disavowed it |
| 18:22.20 | beandog | So, what's a more in-depth description of what tonight's meeting is on? |
| 18:26.40 | mindjuju | actually trevynm, there was a really big cake guy in here, what was name?? |
| 18:27.37 | mindjuju | @beandog, it's actually NoCoolName_Tom that is presenting |
| 18:27.58 | mahelious | beandog: i asked Tom the same thing last saturday. seems to be unit testing strategies |
| 18:28.12 | beandog | what's that? |
| 18:29.20 | mahelious | " It will be on PHP Code Analysis and Build Tools. Luckily this has been what I've been doing a lot of research on and preparation for work (and I actually have a presentation already put together because of this)." |
| 18:30.01 | mahelious | dont understand all of that, but im curious to find out |
| 18:35.46 | mahelious | "finding the AES key is four times easier that previously believed...{still requires} a trillion machines that each could test a billion keys per second running for more than two billion years" |
| 18:36.55 | beandog | yah I'm still confused on what it is. |
| 18:36.56 | beandog | :T |
| 18:37.05 | mahelious | http://sciencebusiness.technewslit.com/?p=5652 |
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| 18:49.35 | carmony | hoooooooooooolllllaaaaaaa |
| 18:50.09 | mindjuju | hola there yourself carmony! |
| 18:50.26 | carmony | mindjuju: how are you doing? |
| 18:50.34 | mindjuju | not so well |
| 18:50.42 | carmony | oh no :( |
| 18:50.43 | mindjuju | you missed my lament |
| 18:50.47 | carmony | darn it |
| 18:51.03 | carmony | I'm surrounded by the retired and elderly |
| 18:51.06 | mindjuju | i'm doing a custom apache + php + freetds+ openssl, it's AWFUL |
| 18:51.13 | beandog | oh man |
| 18:51.14 | beandog | freetds |
| 18:51.18 | beandog | ~mourn mindjuju |
| 18:51.19 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for mindjuju |
| 18:51.23 | beandog | you're still working with mssql? |
| 18:51.42 | carmony | whats freetds? |
| 18:51.46 | ninnypants | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQ88OqfXr0 |
| 18:51.49 | beandog | carmony: mssql libs for linux |
| 18:52.03 | mindjuju | beandog is exactly right |
| 18:52.19 | beandog | carmony: you asking that makes me jealous :) |
| 18:52.47 | mindjuju | EXCEPT, that where everybody has the good fortune of using either going MS mssql driver, i have to use a port of freetds BACK OVER to winders |
| 18:52.59 | carmony | beandog: lol |
| 18:53.05 | carmony | oh mean |
| 18:53.16 | carmony | I have zero envy for you mindjuju |
| 18:53.22 | carmony | that would super suck to do |
| 18:53.25 | mindjuju | so it's a lib writtend for *nix machines to connect to mssql that has been ported over to winders for people running mssql servers so old, that the new ms sql drivers don't support it |
| 18:53.54 | carmony | what version of mssql? |
| 18:55.16 | mindjuju | mssql 2000 |
| 18:55.21 | carmony | youch |
| 18:55.24 | mindjuju | it's like return of the living dead |
| 18:55.44 | mindjuju | back MANY moons ago, i upgraded a mssql server from 6 > 6.5 > 2000 |
| 18:55.51 | mindjuju | didn't like it then, i REALLY don't like it now |
| 18:56.01 | mindjuju | sad to say, it was my first real db that i programmed on |
| 18:56.32 | carmony | mindjuju: you're down here in happy valley area aren't ya? |
| 18:56.43 | mindjuju | yar |
| 18:56.53 | carmony | what part? |
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| 18:57.33 | carmony | *side note, as soon as mindjuju said Yar, someone in this building started to play the Pirates of the Carribean on the piano( |
| 18:57.44 | beandog | was that someone carmony |
| 18:57.45 | ninnypants | anyone worked with site catalyst before? |
| 18:57.51 | carmony | beandog: nope |
| 18:58.02 | carmony | can't play the piano and chat at the same time, I'm not THAT talented |
| 18:58.04 | mindjuju | i'm in pleasant grove right now |
| 18:58.11 | mindjuju | you around these parts carmony? |
| 18:58.25 | carmony | mindjuju: I'm at BYU for the week |
| 18:58.34 | carmony | staying right next to the Pizza Factory here |
| 18:58.44 | mindjuju | ah that's right, you're being apostate and hacking the byu firewall |
| 18:58.46 | mindjuju | sinner |
| 18:58.50 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:58.50 | beandog | lol |
| 18:58.51 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 18:59.34 | mahelious | make sure to slip in a little time bomb before you go. |
| 19:00.30 | carmony | lol |
| 19:00.33 | mahelious | something like "after 76 hours make port 23 publicly available" |
| 19:00.56 | beandog | TIL Doris Day has a website |
| 19:01.00 | beandog | *and* she's releasing a new album |
| 19:01.15 | beandog | I'm so there. |
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| 19:31.12 | mindjuju | ouch, looks like today is going to be another 500pt day |
| 19:32.08 | ninnypants | mindjuju: â500pt day? |
| 19:32.38 | josephscott | $lart large stock swings |
| 19:32.39 | raifbot | hits large stock swings with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha. |
| 19:33.01 | mindjuju | ninnypants - http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJI |
| 19:34.13 | ninnypants | mindjuju: yeah just looked it up on google |
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| 19:34.39 | carmon | okay |
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| 19:37.26 | mindjuju | you know it's an odd month when 2 members of "opposite" parties both call for ben bernake's head mike moore suggested his arrest, rick perry said ben is near treasonous |
| 19:37.36 | mindjuju | ...sigh... it's like watching WWF |
| 19:38.32 | carmony | mindjuju: that is an excellent comparison mindjuju |
| 19:41.06 | influx | ninnypants: Yo. Got let go from SR. |
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| 19:42.20 | mahelious | id hand bernanke to the wolves in a heartbeat. but then id probably hand greenspan over as well. |
| 19:43.28 | carmony | anyone have any eating recommendations in provoo? |
| 19:43.44 | mindjuju | i've found forks and knives to be handy when eating in provo |
| 19:43.45 | mahelious | the hawaiian bbq place next to shopko |
| 19:44.10 | mahelious | where in provo? byu, riverwoods, east bay, downtown? |
| 19:44.19 | carmony | byu area |
| 19:44.20 | carmony | but we have a car |
| 19:44.25 | carmony | so where ever |
| 19:44.35 | mindjuju | darn, thought i would get a chuckle from my comment |
| 19:44.39 | mindjuju | made me laugh to near tears |
| 19:44.42 | carmony | We went to La Vita Dolce, which was yuuuuuuuuumy |
| 19:44.44 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 19:44.56 | carmony | :P |
| 19:44.58 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:45.12 | mindjuju | so carmony, what about bombay house? |
| 19:45.26 | carmony | I haven't been there yet |
| 19:45.27 | carmony | is it good? |
| 19:45.28 | mahelious | bamboo hut or zupas. |
| 19:45.37 | mindjuju | bombay house is great indian food |
| 19:45.40 | mahelious | bombay house is excellent. |
| 19:45.58 | carmony | hmmm... need to sell the wife on indian food |
| 19:46.54 | carmony | We've also heard about a place called Sammy's here in downtown provo |
| 19:47.05 | ninnypants | Sammy's is great |
| 19:47.26 | mahelious | pita pit is supposedly good, but ive never been personally |
| 19:47.34 | carmony | we have a pita pit in Ogden |
| 19:48.21 | mahelious | jdawgs is supposed to be a really good hot dog. but hot dog king is probably better and right up the hill |
| 19:51.53 | josephscott | I wonder if I could sell HP an empty card board box for $1.2Billion, they wouldn't have do anything it, just be sure to throw it out after a year |
| 19:52.40 | influx | Is there anyone heading into C7 from Salt Lake for the meeting tonight? |
| 19:52.48 | influx | (Mind if I ride along?) |
| 19:53.06 | ninnypants | josephscott: what did HP do? |
| 19:53.52 | mindjuju | the nearest person to out there influx, that i know of is possibly fungus |
| 19:54.07 | mindjuju | otherwise, carpool down I 15 should be good |
| 19:54.14 | mindjuju | i think from layton you've got several coming down |
| 19:54.35 | josephscott | http://allthingsd.com/20110818/breaking-hp-makes-big-shift-on-webos-exiting-hardware-business/ |
| 19:55.38 | ninnypants | ahh so that's why it dropped so much today |
| 19:55.41 | influx | mindjuju: keke |
| 19:57.48 | mindjuju | What the JONES! |
| 19:57.57 | mindjuju | Vampires have often found it advantageous to maintain a hidden presence in humanityâs most powerful institutions. In the 1600s, it was the Catholic church, and today, as you all know, itâs Google and Fox News. â âTrue Bloodâ vampire king Bill Compton |
| 19:59.18 | ninnypants | hmm I wonder if that quote was paid for |
| 19:59.42 | mindjuju | quote is so painful |
| 19:59.44 | mindjuju | and rude |
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| 20:16.18 | mindjuju | has anybody been watching the DOTA tourney? i cant seem to get into the game, maybe i don't understand? |
| 20:19.46 | NoCoolName_Tom | beandog (12:25:10): Sorry, I was out. I'll be talking about unit testing, code analysis tools like phpmd, and finishing up with the Jenkins continuous integration server to tie it all together. |
| 20:20.01 | NoCoolName_Tom | It's my first presentation; I hope it'll be good. |
| 20:20.02 | mahelious | i hear about it on PA now and again. doesn't seem to be my cup of tea. I didn't even like Warcraft 3 all that much. |
| 20:21.19 | mahelious | mr belvedere has created an unhealthy obsession to hire a british butler. |
| 20:21.31 | mahelious | jeeves, jenkins, jarvis... |
| 20:22.38 | mindjuju | i need somebody to go fetch me some food |
| 20:22.45 | mindjuju | i wish i had a mr jeeves |
| 20:23.53 | mahelious | mindjuju: call 801.796.4006 and your wish will be granted |
| 20:25.08 | mindjuju | $8ball is wiseguyz pizza good? |
| 20:25.08 | raifbot | mindjuju - You may rely on it. |
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| 21:06.07 | mindjuju | how funny, how harry should have ended - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsYWT5Q_R_w |
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| 21:56.34 | herlo | do eet! |
| 22:08.50 | mindjuju | funny you say that, just got back from betos to hunker in for the long haul |
| 22:09.19 | herlo | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBJkQ55EQMo <-- you might like this |
| 22:09.39 | mindjuju | it better not be an expose on betos |
| 22:09.46 | herlo | mindjuju: might not be sfw |
| 22:10.12 | herlo | it's a good song though... |
| 22:10.55 | mindjuju | curious! |
| 22:12.21 | herlo | mindjuju: curious how? |
| 22:13.01 | mindjuju | well not bad, but it's different than my usual, it was cool |
| 22:13.30 | herlo | yeah |
| 22:13.40 | herlo | I kind of like the 'Mute Channel' on youtube |
| 22:13.47 | herlo | the next song in the mix is pretty cool too |
| 22:14.22 | mindjuju | so have you noticed that every tv station is making their own Mad Men? |
| 22:14.34 | mindjuju | at least that's the show i think they are imitating |
| 22:15.49 | herlo | mindjuju: give me an example, pls |
| 22:15.59 | mindjuju | pan am |
| 22:16.02 | mindjuju | playboy club |
| 22:16.07 | mindjuju | there is like 5 of them i think |
| 22:16.13 | herlo | oh, yeah, I wanted to watch the playboy club... |
| 22:16.19 | herlo | didn't know about pan am |
| 22:16.23 | mindjuju | just like there is 20 pawn stars rip off shows |
| 22:16.27 | mindjuju | and several ghost hunters |
| 22:16.31 | herlo | but that makes me think of Leo Di Caprio and Tom Hanks |
| 22:16.37 | mindjuju | and like a billion hoarders |
| 22:16.51 | herlo | haha, yeah. I like to watch the guys who buy storage units |
| 22:16.58 | herlo | can't recall what that one is called. |
| 22:17.02 | herlo | Storage Wars maybe |
| 22:17.07 | mindjuju | yup, storage wars is copied by like 10 shows now |
| 22:17.31 | mindjuju | it's like, "come watch our reality show!!, the people in are show are nuttier!!!" |
| 22:17.36 | mindjuju | is that a win for america?? |
| 22:18.38 | herlo | lol |
| 22:18.45 | herlo | I don't generally care for most of them |
| 22:18.56 | mindjuju | apparently i've ticked off apache so much that it now tells me so, every time |
| 22:19.00 | herlo | I do like Master Chef. My wife applied to see if she could get on the show though |
| 22:19.10 | mindjuju | jen did? |
| 22:19.11 | herlo | mindjuju: you and apache need to kiss make up |
| 22:19.12 | mindjuju | really? |
| 22:19.37 | herlo | s/kiss/kiss and/ |
| 22:19.37 | mindjuju | what dish did she make? |
| 22:19.37 | herlo | she just signed up to try out |
| 22:19.37 | herlo | she isn't on the show yet |
| 22:19.37 | herlo | they don't have tryouts yet |
| 22:19.48 | mindjuju | i mean does she have a recipe though that she thinks rox? |
| 22:20.07 | herlo | yes, several |
| 22:20.13 | herlo | she's quite the cook |
| 22:20.22 | mindjuju | VERY interesting |
| 22:20.27 | mindjuju | i'm always interested in recipes |
| 22:20.32 | herlo | but our kitchen kind of sucks so she doesn't do it too often |
| 22:20.54 | herlo | When we move, that'll be one of those things we'll be getting is a nicer kitchen |
| 22:21.11 | herlo | mindjuju: I thought you knew this. I guess we need to have you guys over for dinner sometime |
| 22:21.31 | herlo | mindjuju: remember those cupcakes I forced you to have at AJ's party? She made those :) |
| 22:21.45 | herlo | she also makes a mean 'adult' cupcake |
| 22:21.52 | mindjuju | yeah, i think it was like a lemon zest cupcake |
| 22:21.57 | herlo | baileys irish cream is in the frosting, for instance... |
| 22:22.12 | mindjuju | twas really good |
| 22:22.26 | mindjuju | had to stop corban after his second |
| 22:22.32 | herlo | she said that the first batch failed because of my pans, redid them and pow! |
| 22:22.39 | herlo | hehe, corban knows a good thing |
| 22:23.05 | herlo | he's no dummy :) |
| 22:23.26 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 22:23.45 | herlo | ooh, I like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYLVr8QaAwQ&feature=relmfu |
| 22:25.37 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, nice. Corban would be an awesome chef! |
| 22:25.55 | herlo | And I bet he can do the 'Swedish Chef' too :) |
| 22:26.01 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:26.10 | mindjuju | i usually do the cutting in the kitchen |
| 22:26.14 | mindjuju | we got some sharp knives |
| 22:26.21 | mindjuju | but he cuts every now and then |
| 22:26.24 | herlo | well, he's a bit young yet. No rush there... |
| 22:26.34 | herlo | yup, way to go, bring him up to do a few here and there |
| 22:26.39 | herlo | get his confidence up |
| 22:28.07 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, have you seen this: http://devour.com/video/americanarama-by-hollerado/ |
| 22:28.10 | herlo | great video! |
| 22:28.18 | herlo | found it yesterday |
| 22:29.03 | mahelious | the..spice..must..flow.. |
| 22:29.16 | herlo | hehe, for sure |
| 22:29.47 | mahelious | that reminds me, i need to harvest my crabapple tree in the next week or two |
| 22:29.56 | mahelious | fry those up with some chinese five spice |
| 22:29.59 | herlo | nice! I love crabapples |
| 22:35.10 | influx | ~seen fungus |
| 22:35.12 | ibot | fungus <~olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6d 35m 7s ago, saying: 'Humans are too large to get in those.'. |
| 22:36.16 | mahelious | later herlo |
| 22:39.59 | influx | :O |
| 22:40.19 | influx | I don't suppose there's any way I could meet someone at the Sandy Trax station and get a lift from there. |
| 22:40.25 | influx | Is there. |
| 22:40.26 | influx | ? |
| 22:46.11 | mindjuju | srry, i'm not sure i'll be home by 9p as it is :( |
| 22:49.42 | josephscott | mindjuju: something blow up? |
| 22:51.15 | NoCoolName_Tom | See you guys there. I hope it'll be fun. |
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| 22:51.57 | mindjuju | @josephscott, i fixed my apache woes, that's so 10 minutes ago, i'm back in DLL Hell trying to figure out how freeTDS works and what dll isn't loading |
| 22:52.10 | mindjuju | i'm using procmon to help though |
| 22:52.21 | mindjuju | so that's exciting, i'm reading the help now so i know what's going on |
| 22:54.04 | josephscott | wait, you are trying to use freetds on a Windows box? |
| 22:54.23 | josephscott | if this is for mssql, why not use the built mssql support for PHP on Windows? |
| 22:54.38 | mindjuju | i could hear it over pidgin |
| 22:54.43 | josephscott | haha |
| 22:54.51 | josephscott | just wondering, could save you some time |
| 22:54.52 | mindjuju | madness, i know |
| 22:54.55 | josephscott | http://php.net/mssql |
| 22:54.58 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:55.00 | mindjuju | i know |
| 22:55.21 | mindjuju | but that's why i say, why climb everest, when you could haul a step ladder with you and put it down at the top and climb even higher? |
| 22:55.48 | mindjuju | you see, when first approaching this project, i said the same thing, here is this nifty thing from MS, doesn't work as good as the original, but its more compatible, we need to use it |
| 22:55.52 | mindjuju | and then i got pushback |
| 22:56.08 | josephscott | man, are you going to chop off your thumbs when you are done with this too? |
| 22:56.24 | mindjuju | you see, freetds maintains the mssql_ convention and functions |
| 22:56.24 | josephscott | ok, then the people giving pushback need something chopped off :-) |
| 22:56.48 | mindjuju | and our code can't handle being updated in the near 1billion places that would be necessitated by the switchover to sqlsvr_ |
| 22:56.49 | josephscott | microsoft even runs support mssql PHP libs - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc296170(v=sql.90).aspx |
| 22:57.04 | mindjuju | so, apparently theres more than a simple grep to this |
| 22:57.29 | mindjuju | and that's when the lights went dim, and well, i fainted (metaphorically speaking) |
| 22:57.34 | josephscott | I'm confused, http://php.net/mssql uses mssql_* functions |
| 22:57.57 | josephscott | oh "This extension is not available anymore on Windows with PHP 5.3 or later." |
| 22:58.00 | josephscott | booo |
| 22:58.04 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:58.10 | mindjuju | was just going out to find ya the link |
| 22:58.57 | josephscott | man, if Microsoft says it is time for people to stop using those functions, then they should bite the bullet and migrate |
| 22:59.16 | mindjuju | i would love to, and in fact, we are nearly at that crossroads |
| 22:59.26 | josephscott | in the meantime, I wish you luck, this does not sound like fun http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Compiling_FreeTDS_under_Windows |
| 22:59.41 | josephscott | either than or stick with latest PHP 5.2.* version ;-) |
| 22:59.51 | mindjuju | you see, apparently if i discover that it is, in fact, impossible, then our next jump is to mysql |
| 22:59.59 | mindjuju | but to to prove it, i have to go to the nth degree |
| 23:00.32 | josephscott | bring them to UPHPU tonight, we can all have a chat with these people calling the shots :| |
| 23:00.45 | mindjuju | i would, but he's out of country |
| 23:00.51 | mindjuju | i could skype it though |
| 23:01.02 | mahelious | im curious why you have to jump through all of these hoops to run php on windows? |
| 23:01.16 | mindjuju | because microsoft is of the devil |
| 23:01.18 | mahelious | seems to be easier to setup a lap server with freetds |
| 23:02.30 | mindjuju | what's a lap server? |
| 23:03.18 | mahelious | linux+apache+php |
| 23:04.20 | mindjuju | ah, there is some winders tomfoolery going on there that the devs have |
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