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01:58.02beandogk
01:58.04beandoggnight guys
01:58.10iammerrickgoodnight kind sire
01:58.16beandogtah
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03:08.28ninnypants$chuck-fact
03:08.28raifbotBill Gates lives in constant fear that Chuck Norris' PC will crash.
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03:30.52josephscott$rlart
03:30.52raifbotdrops a truckload of VAXen on ninnypants.
03:33.53ninnypants$google VAXen
03:33.53raifbotninnypants searching http://www.google.com/search?q=VAXen -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX -- http://www.ivaxen.com/ -- http://www.crash.com/fun/texts/vaxen-dont.html
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14:21.13josephscott$random-number
14:21.13raifbotjosephscott your number is : 183,250,755
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15:37.45mindjujuanybody looking for PHP work in SLC, senior and midlevel
15:37.52mindjujuand doesn't mind working with a headhunter
15:38.19mindjujuPM me if interested
15:48.37beandogfilezilla wont use my pubkey
15:48.37beandograwr
15:50.00beandogoh nm
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17:36.43romanovic*crickets*
17:37.32beandogagreed
17:37.40beandogeveryone's in meetings
17:37.43jsmithMmmmnn.... crickets....
17:38.01romanovicbeandog: what kind of filezilla set up were you working on earlier?
17:38.10influx*crunch*
17:38.12beandogromanovic: oh I was just dorking around with it
17:38.31romanovici occasionally have the need for quick ftp access to a windows machine, but am disappointed that the server has no sftp feature
17:38.44beandogit doesn't?  That's poopy
17:39.13romanovicthe client has sftp capability, for any server that has sshd running
17:39.55beandogI setup FTP + SSL on one server
17:39.56romanovicnot something easy to set up quickly on a windows machine (or is it...)
17:40.01beandogit was pretty simple, and still gives me warm fuzzies
17:47.14skinnerCustomer: Help me install wordpress on my laptop and my work computer so I can make posts to the website from work or home. I won' t need to be on the internet on my laptop will I?
17:47.19skinnerMe: * facepalm *
17:49.36romanovicskinner: just drop wordpress in a local wamp environment, let him happily update a local blog offline whenever he likes :)
17:50.07skinnerromanovic: They think wordpress comes on a cd that installs onto windows.
17:50.19skinnerThey don't understand how the internet works.
17:50.32skinnerworst part is:
17:50.47skinnerThis person is the head of IT for a small company in Provo.
17:51.24romanovicwow
17:51.33skinner....yeah....
17:51.34influx:o
17:51.49skinnerI still don't know how she got the job
17:53.18skinnerIt's sad. She doesn't know how to do a dual monitor setup so she has her main machine on a large monitor running windows 7 and another machine with a smaller CRT next to it running windows XP for the 'dual monitor' effect.
17:54.15skinnerI wish I were making this up.   :(
17:58.14romanovicshe put on her resume she had lots of experience with computers. Emails, sending emails, receiving emails, deleting emails
17:58.58romanovicThe web, using a mouse, clicking, double clicking, the computer screen of course, the keyboard...
18:00.10beandogI just put on my resume that I wrote a bunch of websites.
18:00.15beandogI mean, how are they gonna verify that?
18:00.22beandog"Oh, sure, I wrote yahoo.com"
18:00.33beandog"Just ask me again, and I'll confirm it."
18:08.00romanovic:)
18:25.20josephscotthaha, "curl is hard" http://www.httpposttool.com/
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19:23.25beandogthats kinda cool
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21:00.07beandogBatman TAS season 2 is pretty awesome
21:00.10beandogI was reminded last night.
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21:09.39mindjujuDtD - VERY interesting - http://www.npr.org/2011/08/16/139656641/cell-service-shutdown-raises-free-speech-questions
21:10.19mindjujuBART blocks cell comm to stifle protest
21:11.14DexterTheDragonmindjuju: eh. They were only jamming within the subway stations
21:11.33influx+private property and all
21:11.42mindjujuthis time they did
21:12.12mindjujuevent < precedent
21:13.41herloBART as in San Francisco?
21:14.12herlookay, yup
21:18.20beandogthat's so lame
21:18.27beandognot to mention its going to backfire
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21:23.19mahelious"BART pulls a Mubarak in San Francisco."
21:25.05beandogthat's a bit extreme
21:25.08maheliousshows how spoiled we are, we compare cellular blockage to crimes against humanity.  maybe if BART were equipping officers with AK-47s
21:25.10beandogof a comparison
21:25.18beandogmahelious: srsly
21:58.08influxOh, huh. Don't know why I thought the cell towers were BART property.
21:58.12influx:|
22:03.15mindjuju~herlo++
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22:04.10herlo:)
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22:11.21DexterTheDragonmindjuju: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
22:11.40skinnerWhat's good practice for handling errors (i.e. invalid user input) inside a class?
22:13.22xtrementlignore that the error even happened :)
22:15.53skinneryay
22:15.56skinneri wish tho
22:16.48mindjujuDtD, read link, how do you want to argue this?  are you saying that they were right to squelch the protest because they felt the comments were inflammatory and would cause imminent lawless action?
22:16.56mindjujunot sure which direction to apply this arguement
22:17.45DexterTheDragonmindjuju: not necessarily
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22:18.24DexterTheDragonI'm just saying there's already a first amendment precedent allowing the government to prosecute free speech if that speech is inciting riot
22:18.50DexterTheDragonobviously there's the problem of the people on the subway who were just riding it also being affected
22:20.16mindjujuyup, very true
22:20.46mindjujui think at the end of the day, this was an overzealous employee making a bad call
22:20.58mindjujulike street cameras though, i see this as bad tech in government hands
22:22.07DexterTheDragonmindjuju: when did BART become government?
22:22.23DexterTheDragonand yes I know jammers are illegal so they would of had to have an offical do it
22:23.16beandog~jam DexterTheDragon
22:23.21DexterTheDragonmmmmmm jam
22:23.25influxhah
22:25.33DexterTheDragonmindjuju: not that I don't think your point has some validity, but I feel like this event falls more in the 'movie theater won't let me bring food in' kinda zone
22:26.06mindjujuState of Cali owns / operates
22:26.07mindjujuhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit#Governance
22:26.23DexterTheDragonright, it's public transit
22:26.49mindjujuso to answer your question, when did BART become gov, i guess that htey have always been?
22:27.01mindjujuthe wiki didn't say when it switched from private to public hands
22:27.35mindjujuAnd a gov agency going around killing comm cause they didn't like the idea of a protest in their terminal, well, that's not a good reason
22:28.59mindjujuwhat if you had a cause for grievance and decided to walk to the Mall in DC and they relegated you to some alley, still in DC but away from the public
22:29.13mindjujuhow does that affect your protest?
22:29.21DexterTheDragonmindjuju: they do that all the time
22:29.37mindjujunot in this way though
22:29.47mindjujuyou're right, they can regulate you over in this corner of the mall or that
22:30.05mindjujuin my mind, this is different
22:30.07mindjujuand dangerous
22:31.41beandogdangerous!
22:31.47DexterTheDragon"The existence of free speech zones is based on U.S. court decisions stipulating that the government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression."
22:31.50beandoglike tacks
22:32.04beandogDexterTheDragon: those statements totally rub me the wrong way
22:33.43beandogDexterTheDragon: google bong hits for jesus
22:33.45beandogthat one bugs me.
22:34.03beandoghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick
22:34.14beandogMorse v. Frederick, 551 U.S. 393 (2007) was a school speech case in which the United States Supreme Court held that the First Amendment does not prevent educators from suppressing student speech, at a school-supervised event, that is reasonably viewed as promoting illegal drug use.
22:35.50DexterTheDragonbeandog: yeah, that's a strange case cause he wasn't at the school
22:36.00beandogRight
22:36.52mgearyWOOT!
22:37.01mgearysome recent update has finally fixed my iCal event problem
22:37.13mgearynow i can go back to protesting the BART pigs
22:38.13beandoglol
22:38.43mgearyexACTly
22:39.38mgearyheh
22:39.43beandog;)
22:40.02mgearyi think government can (and should) do a lot of good
22:40.02beandogpillage and plunder, 9 a.m.
22:40.09beandogdonuts and linger longer, 10:30 a.m.
22:40.18mgearybut abuse of authority really, really makes me sick
22:41.00mindjujuthat's a fine line there
22:41.48mgearysometimes
22:41.56beandoghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bong_Hits_4_Jesus_banner.jpg
22:42.03mgearysometimes it's a huge, very coarse line
22:42.05beandogfor some reason, I find that case inspirational.
22:43.08mindjujuwell, the coarseness comes from vantage point, where you see clarity, i see overreach; though i still think we could hammer out differences over a burger at 5guys
22:43.26beandogprovided you pay
22:43.40mindjujuand for you too beandog, i'll treat the 3 of us
22:43.46beandogsweet, free lunch
22:43.49mindjujuand DtD if we can con him to driving down to orem
22:44.49DexterTheDragonbeandog: reading some of this is fun "Morse initially suspended Frederick for five days for violating the school district's anti-drug policy, but later increased the suspension to ten days after Frederick quoted Thomas Jefferson."
22:45.02mindjujui loved that quote
22:45.10beandogDexterTheDragon: lol, win
22:45.17mindjujui'm interested to see what the quote was
22:45.34beandogit'll cost you 5 days of suspension to find out
22:45.35mindjujuand if it was courtesy of Bartlett's or from some civics class
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22:53.35skinnerAnyone used NginX before?
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22:54.57beandogI think carmony did/does
22:54.58josephscottevery day :-)
22:55.14mindjujui fired it up once, twasn't to bad to setup
22:56.42josephscottI like it
23:00.52skinnerjosephscott: what do you like about it over apache? Or apache over NginX?
23:01.38josephscottmy experience has been that for the same amount of traffic nginx uses fewer resources
23:02.49skinneris that pretty much it? That seems to be the answer i've found researching online too. If it uses fewer resources, why don't more people use it?
23:05.29josephscottI think Apache is in some cases a bit more flexible, in part because it has been around for so long
23:06.00josephscottalso Apache comes pretty much standard for linux/bsd based servers
23:06.19josephscottand quite frankly, most sites don't really have a bottleneck at the web server level
23:06.40beandogI have a few that do.
23:07.01josephscottso if what you have works and you understand it and it isn't causing you problems, there isn't much motivation to chance (I'd even recommend you not change for those cases)
23:07.26beandogYou can get apache trimmed down, though.  It ships with a lot of modules on by default in some cases.
23:07.31josephscottbeandog: what site is that?
23:07.39beandogcan't tell you, sorry :T
23:07.53josephscotthaha, are you sure it exists then?  ;-)
23:08.27josephscottmost people hit bottlenecks in the db, or programming language before the web server becomes an issue
23:08.58josephscottalso important to note it isn't just memory usage, CPU is also a factor
23:10.41beandogJust glancing at this
23:10.44beandogdoes it require PHP to run as CGI
23:11.00josephscottnginx?  yes, typical to run it via fastcgi
23:11.05josephscottphp-fpm for the win
23:11.09beandogthat'd help, anyway
23:11.28beandogThe configuration reminds me of lighttpd
23:12.07josephscottyep
23:21.30beandogwow
23:21.35beandoghttp authentication using pam?
23:21.36beandogthat's awesome.
23:21.45beandogI wonder if apache can do that.  I'm sure it can
23:24.28mindjuju~give beandog a root beer float
23:24.28ibotACTION gives a root beer float to beandog
23:24.37beandoghttp://wiki.nginx.org/HttpSecureDownload
23:24.40beandogthat's cool too
23:25.35beandogI want a module that auto-minifies content
23:26.02beandoger, that'd probably be a lot of work when i could just cache it.
23:37.53mindjujubeandog, i think there is one for apache
23:38.22mindjujubeandog -> http://code.google.com/speed/page-speed/docs/module.html
23:39.14beandogno wai
23:39.20beandogthx mindjuju !
23:39.22mindjujurly
23:40.18mindjujueven josephscott said he was curious about it
23:40.25mindjujubut i think he hasn't used it
23:40.54beandogwell, trying new things and bringing things down in a blaze of glory is my job
23:41.01mindjuju:)
23:41.15mindjujumy job is to sample awesome music and work
23:41.33mindjujuhttp://www.shoutcast.com/Internet-Radio/ravetrax  <-- in rare form
23:41.45mindjujuthey've been playing crap for days now, but this tuff is goot!
23:41.54beandogThe hills are alive .... run!
23:41.57mindjujutechno remix of sound of music?
23:42.08beandognope, good ole whats her name
23:42.11beandogJulie
23:42.29mindjujuNiN sound of music? with audio bytes from julie andrews?
23:42.35beandogmindjuju: http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/The_Hills_are_Alivejh0Detail.png
23:42.52beandogthat cracks me up every time
23:42.52beandog:D
23:42.59mindjuju:)
23:43.48mindjujubeandog - here is scary julie andrews!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic 1000% no rick roll guarantee!
23:43.51mindjujulove that vid
23:44.02beandog$8ball am I going to regret this
23:44.03raifbotbeandog - My reply is no.
23:44.14beandog$8ball are you sure
23:44.14raifbotbeandog - It is certain.
23:44.18beandogmeh
23:46.34mindjujucuriouser and curiouser
23:46.42beandogwhut
23:47.52beandognah
23:47.53mindjujuit's prolly the hat she wears
23:47.54beandogshe's just nice.
23:47.57beandogLOL
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23:51.08mindjujuwow!  i just found something out beandog
23:51.15mindjujuhttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358749/
23:51.31mindjujuhe was in sound of music AND live action 70s spiderman
23:52.44beandogwhut
23:52.45beandogwho is that
23:52.51mindjujukurt
23:52.59beandoglive action spiderman?  whut?
23:53.05beandogam I missing something
23:53.09mindjujulive action spidey from the 70s
23:53.13beandogreally?
23:53.17beandogthat sounds vaguely familiar
23:53.21mindjujukurt from sound of music >> spidey man
23:53.28romanovicyay! linode back up.
23:53.28beandogoh you're right
23:53.51mindjujumy linode didn't go down, i don't think
23:54.03mindjujuhave they been having issues though?
23:54.09romanovicit was just a partial outage at the freenode datacentre
23:54.20beandogFremont went down, again?
23:54.22beandogOy
23:54.41romanovicyarp
23:55.33romanovicfremont*
23:56.27mindjuju$8ball is romanovic a fan of Hot Fuzz?
23:56.27raifbotmindjuju - You may rely on it.
23:56.35mindjujulove it
23:56.39romanovicyarrp!
23:56.54mindjujuhas got to be one of the best movies of all time
23:56.55romanovicnarp?
23:57.29romanovicyeah.  simon pegg makes great movies.  i still need to see that recent one with the alien
23:57.48mindjuju$8ball has romanovic Ever fired his gun in the air and yelled, 'Aaaaaaah?'
23:57.48raifbotmindjuju - Without a doubt.
23:57.58romanovichaha

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