| 00:00.47 | mindjuju | you know, writing sql queries is one thing, but the art of sql writing is another, especially when you're looking for maximum efficiency, i understand what you're doing, but i think this is a better question for eggyknap or thebigdog if he ever came back around |
| 00:00.55 | mindjuju | i wonder if he's on google right now? |
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| 00:44.16 | eggyknap | For the two-tag case, something like this would be pretty quick, probably: |
| 00:44.23 | eggyknap | SELECT c.* |
| 00:44.23 | eggyknap | FROM |
| 00:44.23 | eggyknap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.23 | eggyknap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.23 | eggyknap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.25 | eggyknap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.28 | eggyknap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.30 | eggyknap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.02 | eggyknap | But that gets unwieldy for more tags, and the SQL generation logic would be painful anyway |
| 00:47.10 | eggyknap | So for the general case, I like this, if your SQL parser can handle it. It's essentially the same as the one mgeary had |
| 00:47.13 | eggyknap | SELECT c.* FROM office_contacts c |
| 00:47.15 | eggyknap | JOIN ( SELECT id, count(*) FROM office_tags WHERE tag IN (#tag_array) GROUP BY id HAVING count(*) = #length_of_tag_array |
| 00:47.18 | eggyknap | ) foo USING (id); |
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| 01:47.47 | influx | I have narrowed down the cause of my sluggishness to Keebler Fudge Stripes. |
| 01:47.57 | influx | :| |
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| 02:50.21 | josephscott | $lart monday |
| 02:54.09 | josephscott | ug, my EC2 instance is part of the outage in North Virginia :-( |
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| 02:59.48 | josephscott | woot! |
| 02:59.51 | josephscott | $lart monday |
| 02:59.51 | raifbot | blames monday for all the evil in the world. |
| 02:59.59 | josephscott | yeah, that is about right |
| 03:17.14 | Utah_Dave | $lart AWS outages |
| 03:17.14 | raifbot | installs PocketPC on AWS outages's PDA. |
| 03:17.28 | Utah_Dave | oops, I think I just made it worse, josephscott |
| 03:17.51 | josephscott | it the bot responds then it isn't worse :-) |
| 03:18.02 | influx | $8ball Hackers? |
| 03:18.02 | raifbot | influx - Ask again later. |
| 03:18.05 | influx | ke |
| 03:25.28 | josephscott | network dropped in one of the EC2 regions |
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| 05:15.03 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 05:15.03 | raifbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at undertakingyou. |
| 05:15.58 | supernothere | nicely done |
| 05:16.36 | supernothere | $8ball am I going to be able to get all my ducks in a row before tomorrow? |
| 05:16.36 | raifbot | supernothere - Don't count on it. |
| 05:16.50 | supernothere | $8ball the most important ducks? |
| 05:16.50 | raifbot | supernothere - Cannot predict now. |
| 05:17.21 | supernothere | $8ball am I going to catch the plane and have clothes, a tooth brush, my camera, laptop, and money? |
| 05:17.21 | raifbot | supernothere - Outlook good. |
| 05:17.51 | supernothere | ;-p |
| 05:18.02 | josephscott | 8ball has been rather negative lately |
| 05:22.19 | josephscott | and I am done, good night all |
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| 14:56.28 | ninnypants | mornin' all |
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| 15:04.35 | jacob_kerr | Good morning. |
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| 15:05.58 | jacob_kerr | Hey guys! I'm apache nub. Is there anyway I can replace my internal ip I use for people in the office to access our development server with something like spotdev. I can use http://spotdev/ local but when I try to use that instead of the ip on another machine on the network it does not work :( |
| 15:06.14 | jacob_kerr | Running WAMP. |
| 15:06.56 | Utah_Dave | If you have a dns server running on your network you can add that domain there. Or you can add it to everyone's host file |
| 15:07.37 | jacob_kerr | Oh OK. We have a router with a dns server I believe. |
| 15:08.10 | jacob_kerr | Now that you mention I think I have seen other IP alias there yesterday :). Thanks man. |
| 15:08.34 | macnewbold | if you give it a full domain name, you can add it in real dns, pointing to an internal ip address, too, but of course it won't work from outside your internal network |
| 15:09.16 | jacob_kerr | K. That's exactly what I need. |
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| 15:09.44 | mindjuju | mgeary, did you get email? |
| 15:12.38 | mgeary | i did, thanks, mindjuju |
| 15:12.54 | jacob_kerr | So will port forwarding enable internal IP alias?? |
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| 15:25.30 | josephscott | for those that may have missed it, WordCamp SLC coming up next month - http://2011.slc.wordcamp.org/ |
| 15:27.56 | herlo | yay! |
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| 15:37.29 | josephscott | fungus: your a vegetarian right? |
| 15:37.38 | fungus | heh, yup |
| 15:38.27 | josephscott | I need to figure out something for wordcamp lunch for vegetarians, any suggestions? |
| 15:39.05 | herlo | SALAD!! |
| 15:39.11 | fungus | tray of vegtables? |
| 15:39.13 | josephscott | since the main lunch will likely be bbq or something equally meaty :-) |
| 15:39.18 | mindjuju | herlo, you don't make friends with salad |
| 15:39.24 | herlo | mindjuju: I know |
| 15:39.39 | fungus | mindjuju, you must not know many vegetarians. |
| 15:39.54 | mindjuju | @fungus - here is my proof - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM6xVQwIOYQ |
| 15:40.04 | mindjuju | 100% no rick roll nor rebecca black guarantee |
| 15:40.16 | fungus | lol |
| 15:40.33 | herlo | poor lisa |
| 15:40.35 | josephscott | $mindtrick mindjuju youtube links |
| 15:40.35 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) mindjuju youtube links you don't need to see his identification. |
| 15:40.45 | mindjuju | it's from the episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian |
| 15:41.08 | herlo | she would |
| 15:41.25 | herlo | none of the others would dare become vegenatarians... |
| 15:42.47 | herlo | maybe bart, when he's older, to impress a girl. That wouldn't be permanent, though. :P |
| 15:43.05 | herlo | josephscott: how many veggie eaters do you think you'll have? |
| 15:43.28 | herlo | and are any of them vegan? because that makes the food ordering a bit more challenging. |
| 15:43.29 | josephscott | not many, no more than a dozen I think |
| 15:44.14 | mahelious | quorn |
| 15:44.36 | mindjuju | vegetarians prolly eat twinkies |
| 15:44.42 | mahelious | http://www.quorn.us/products/Cheese_Burger.aspx |
| 15:45.24 | mindjuju | that's got egg in it |
| 15:45.32 | mahelious | that does have eggs and cheese though...how hardcore vegetarian does it have to be? |
| 15:45.33 | herlo | josephscott: cool, wraps work well for vegetarians from my experience. You could make it a bit of a wrap buffet with different veggies, beans and other tasty and veggie friendly options. |
| 15:46.21 | josephscott | thanks |
| 15:46.21 | herlo | mahelious: well, my veggie eating friends in the east coast wouldn't touch it in many cases. |
| 15:46.58 | herlo | josephscott: burrito bars work well for both veggie and non-veggie eaters too |
| 15:47.16 | mindjuju | ravenous vegetarians only eat foods that don't have a chance of fighting back, like carrots and celery |
| 15:47.52 | herlo | I have lots of friends who love a good thai food with tofu, though I can't stand the stuff |
| 15:48.13 | mindjuju | plants are alive, you know |
| 15:48.26 | fungus | mindjuju, you switching to nuts and fruit only? |
| 15:48.35 | fungus | and only the stuff that natually falls off? |
| 15:48.38 | mindjuju | i only eat things that can fight back |
| 15:48.43 | mindjuju | a cow could kick ya |
| 15:48.45 | herlo | mindjuju: no you don't |
| 15:48.46 | fungus | lol |
| 15:48.53 | mindjuju | pig could trample |
| 15:49.22 | fungus | herlo, as far as tofu goes. Noodles&Co does a very good job of it. |
| 15:49.25 | mahelious | tomatoes are from the nightshade family...they can't fight back yet but they certainly are trying |
| 15:49.25 | mindjuju | apple could fall on your head and knock you out and take your wallet |
| 15:49.32 | herlo | fungus: that's what Jennifer says, too |
| 15:49.52 | mindjuju | that's good to know about tomatoes |
| 15:49.56 | herlo | mindjuju: do you eat scorpions? |
| 15:50.05 | herlo | they fight back MEAN! |
| 15:50.08 | mindjuju | everytime i have a chance |
| 15:50.14 | herlo | figures |
| 15:50.14 | mindjuju | but i haven't had any recently |
| 15:50.18 | herlo | :P |
| 15:50.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:50.54 | herlo | mindjuju: but you eat lettuce on burgers, I've seen you |
| 15:50.58 | fungus | mindjuju, do you only eat what *can* fight back, or only stuff that *does* fight back? |
| 15:51.24 | mindjuju | i nearly choked on a piece of lettuce, it appears to have gotten the will to fight me on it's way down |
| 15:51.31 | herlo | meh |
| 15:51.32 | fungus | beef can fight back, but rarely does. |
| 15:52.06 | herlo | yeah, he said 'can', originally |
| 15:52.14 | fungus | chickens aren't let out of their cage long enough to think about fighting back either. |
| 15:52.19 | mindjuju | i think they should harvest celery humanely |
| 15:52.30 | herlo | mindjuju: what about pineapples? |
| 15:52.42 | herlo | or better yet, potatoes |
| 15:52.53 | mindjuju | pineapples have symbiotic relationship with spiders, spiders are the aggressor |
| 15:53.02 | herlo | ?? weird |
| 15:53.06 | herlo | never heard that before |
| 15:53.44 | mindjuju | "Tarantulas live in dry, well-drained soils in open areas throughout the desert and grassland areas. All North American tarantulas are ground-dwellers although some other species live in trees, cliffs, caves, or in crops like bananas and pineapples." |
| 15:53.48 | mindjuju | http://www.desertmuseum.org/kids/oz/long-fact-sheets/tarantula.php |
| 15:53.58 | mindjuju | verbatim post +3 against naysayers |
| 15:54.04 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
| 15:54.08 | carmony | lol |
| 15:54.35 | mahelious | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jorunny/3565105286/ |
| 15:55.00 | mindjuju | oh man, that's a mean looking spider |
| 15:55.19 | herlo | hmm, interesting |
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| 15:55.45 | mindjuju | k, no more distractions, need to hammer something down this morning so i have freetime at lunch |
| 15:55.55 | herlo | likely story :) |
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| 15:57.39 | jacob_kerr | Hey what CPU do I need for 64 bit? I have i7-2600 it depends on your CPU right? |
| 15:57.52 | jacob_kerr | intel |
| 15:58.36 | fungus | I think all CPUs support 64-bit for the past 3-4 years now |
| 15:58.53 | fungus | the i7 for sure does. |
| 15:59.05 | herlo | yes |
| 15:59.18 | herlo | last serious 32-bit was centrino from intel |
| 15:59.28 | jacob_kerr | :) |
| 15:59.32 | mahelious | jacob_kerr: good thing you clarified, i thought you were talking about the motorola i7 |
| 15:59.43 | jacob_kerr | LOL |
| 15:59.45 | stderr- | g'morning gents |
| 16:00.07 | jacob_kerr | lalala.. |
| 16:00.22 | fungus | good moainin' |
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| 16:03.54 | jacob_kerr | Yeah this machine is our 3d modeling machine it's a beast. |
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| 16:21.39 | mindjuju | oh man, this is funny stuff - http://www.mikeduncan.com/wingrep-code-tool/ |
| 16:21.59 | mindjuju | @beandog, there is a he-man reference in the description for wingrep |
| 16:22.57 | beandog | heh |
| 16:24.15 | josephscott | $8ball did Monday really happen? |
| 16:24.15 | raifbot | josephscott - You may rely on it. |
| 16:24.53 | herlo | haha |
| 16:25.06 | herlo | josephscott: you have to live with Monday now! |
| 16:25.25 | josephscott | ug |
| 16:25.35 | josephscott | $lart all Mondays |
| 16:25.35 | raifbot | pours gasoline all over all Mondays, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze. |
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| 16:31.35 | beandog | $8ball is everything going to break today |
| 16:31.35 | raifbot | beandog - Don't count on it. |
| 16:31.40 | beandog | cool |
| 16:34.36 | beandog | $8ball can I surf the web all day |
| 16:34.36 | raifbot | beandog - It is decidedly so. |
| 16:34.39 | beandog | rawk. |
| 16:35.26 | carmony | hrm.... anyone know of a good way to script the generation of csr's? |
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| 16:39.15 | beandog | carmony: I'd bet openssl ships with some contrib scripts |
| 16:40.59 | josephscott | $google generate csr |
| 16:40.59 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=generate+csr -- https://knowledge.verisign.com/support/ssl-certificates-support/index%3Fpage%3Dcontent%26id%3DAR235 -- http://support.easydns.com/ssl/csr.php3 -- https://knowledge.rapidssl.com/support/ssl-certificate-support/index%3Fpage%3Dcontent%26id%3DSO6506 |
| 16:47.44 | josephscott | why yes, it is time for a little Mr. Roboto |
| 16:49.11 | fungus | carmony, two steps. Generate a key, and create a CSR based on the key |
| 16:49.23 | fungus | openssl genrsa 2048 > domain.key |
| 16:49.35 | fungus | openssl req -new -key domain.key > domain.csr |
| 16:49.58 | carmony | well, here is where I'm stuck, Apple gives me this .cer file |
| 16:50.15 | carmony | after I upload my csr to Apple's website |
| 16:50.28 | fungus | that's probably your certificate |
| 16:50.52 | fungus | Read the first line of the file |
| 16:51.01 | josephscott | well you didn't mention Apple was involved, that makes everything 10x harder ;-) |
| 16:51.06 | beandog | lol |
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| 16:52.37 | carmony | its a binary format |
| 16:52.46 | carmony | its like a special thing for keychain |
| 16:53.06 | fungus | There are a lot of different formats that certs can come in. |
| 16:53.10 | carmony | so what my instructions say using the gui is to install the cert in keychain |
| 16:53.12 | fungus | openssl supports most of them |
| 16:53.47 | carmony | then I can export a pk12 file from it |
| 16:53.58 | carmony | and then I can export a certificate from that |
| 16:53.59 | herlo | carmony: keychain is listed in the httpd config files |
| 16:54.17 | herlo | something like CertificateChainFile: /path/to/file |
| 16:54.23 | herlo | that's from memory |
| 16:55.06 | herlo | you can generate a pkcs12 file similar to this: |
| 16:55.07 | herlo | openssl pkcs12 -export -inkey certs/${user}.key -in certs/${user}.crt -CAfile ${caname}_ca_cert.crt \ |
| 16:55.07 | carmony | anyway I can have openssl try to read this file and tell me what it is? |
| 16:55.10 | herlo | -out certs/${user}_browser_cert.p12 |
| 16:55.41 | herlo | carmony: sure. |
| 16:56.08 | herlo | http://www.sslshopper.com/article-most-common-openssl-commands.html |
| 16:56.14 | fungus | carmony, try "openssl x509 -text -inform DER < certfile" |
| 16:56.52 | herlo | fungus: haha, that's on the page I just gave |
| 16:57.03 | herlo | carmony: under Checking Using OpenSSL |
| 16:57.08 | carmony | oh sweet |
| 16:57.12 | carmony | it was able to read it |
| 16:57.23 | herlo | there you go |
| 16:57.28 | fungus | yeah, it's just DER encoded instead of standard PEM |
| 16:57.42 | carmony | lol |
| 16:57.47 | carmony | you make it all sound so simple |
| 16:57.59 | herlo | fungus: why do that? |
| 16:58.31 | herlo | carmony: well, ssl is pretty simple. I think the command just scares people most of the time because it *looks* complex |
| 16:58.52 | fungus | I know MS likes to use DER, and p12 a lot. |
| 16:59.18 | herlo | well, I've used p12 a bit, it's pretty nice for auth certs on your browser |
| 16:59.23 | carmony | fungus: so if it is DER encoded, how do I get the pkcs12 out of it? |
| 16:59.38 | fungus | do you really need the pkcs12? |
| 16:59.39 | herlo | carmony: you can use my example above |
| 16:59.41 | carmony | cause ultimately I need to run this command on it: openssl pkcs12 -in ddna-plus.p12 -out ddna-plus.pem -nodes -clcerts |
| 17:00.20 | fungus | carmony, hehe, that just extracts the certs in PEM format |
| 17:00.29 | carmony | lol |
| 17:00.32 | fungus | Just change the encoding from DER to PEM and skip that step |
| 17:00.36 | carmony | ok |
| 17:00.41 | carmony | so how do I go from DER to PEM? |
| 17:00.50 | fungus | it's probably on that site |
| 17:00.59 | carmony | lol |
| 17:01.03 | carmony | you guys are so smart |
| 17:01.06 | fungus | openssl x509 -inform der -outform pem < file.cer |
| 17:01.14 | herlo | simple simple |
| 17:01.20 | beandog | herlo: nice link |
| 17:01.25 | herlo | beandog: :) |
| 17:01.41 | josephscott | crypto is magic :-) |
| 17:01.53 | carmony | I think DDNA needs to buy UPHPU lunch or dinner sometime |
| 17:02.06 | herlo | carmony: sounds like a plan. I'm available for lunch today :) |
| 17:02.11 | carmony | haha |
| 17:02.14 | carmony | you in utah her? |
| 17:02.15 | carmony | herl* |
| 17:02.18 | carmony | herlo* |
| 17:02.25 | herlo | ROFLMAO |
| 17:02.39 | beandog | lol |
| 17:02.40 | herlo | carmony: yes, I'm in Murray atm, so when you are ready, I'll be here waiting for you |
| 17:03.02 | herlo | carmony: just a few more characters and you get it right! |
| 17:03.08 | carmony | lol |
| 17:03.11 | beandog | carmony: herlo has been waiting for you to ask him out |
| 17:03.14 | carmony | ~lolstats |
| 17:03.14 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 2775. Top 3: carmony -- 410 (14.8%), SunSparc -- 389 (14.0%), TuxToaster -- 307 (11.1%) |
| 17:03.20 | carmony | sigh |
| 17:03.23 | carmony | ~sighstats |
| 17:03.25 | carmony | :P |
| 17:03.28 | beandog | heh |
| 17:03.31 | beandog | ~carmony |
| 17:03.32 | ibot | i guess carmony is in love with memcache, is a dot net developer and admits it, and codes for the iPhone, or a CIO |
| 17:03.33 | TuxToaster | yay, I'm still in 3rd |
| 17:03.40 | beandog | ibot: carmony also likes to lol |
| 17:03.52 | beandog | doh |
| 17:03.58 | TuxToaster | kinda sad that I'm that far ahead since I haven't been in here much the last few weeks... |
| 17:04.21 | carmony | .lol |
| 17:04.23 | carmony | ~lolstats |
| 17:04.24 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 2775. Top 3: carmony -- 410 (14.8%), SunSparc -- 389 (14.0%), TuxToaster -- 307 (11.1%) |
| 17:04.26 | herlo | ~lolstas herlo |
| 17:04.29 | herlo | ~lolstats herlo |
| 17:04.29 | ibot | herlo has said lol 288 times (10.4 %), ranked 5/91 (percentile: 5.5 %) |
| 17:04.30 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 17:04.30 | carmony | from now on, I will .lol |
| 17:04.35 | beandog | heh |
| 17:04.35 | fungus | ibot: carmony also is likes to lol |
| 17:04.36 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, fungus |
| 17:04.37 | beandog | ~lolstats beandog |
| 17:04.37 | ibot | beandog has said lol 292 times (10.5 %), ranked 4/91 (percentile: 4.4 %) |
| 17:04.38 | herlo | OOh, I'm close behind! |
| 17:04.52 | fungus | ibot: carmony is also likes to lol |
| 17:04.52 | ibot | fungus: okay |
| 17:04.57 | stderr- | !lolstats stderr- |
| 17:04.58 | herlo | fungus: haha |
| 17:05.02 | stderr- | err |
| 17:05.04 | beandog | ~carmony |
| 17:05.05 | ibot | i guess carmony is in love with memcache, is a dot net developer and admits it, and codes for the iPhone, or a CIO, or likes to lol |
| 17:05.06 | stderr- | ~lolstats stderr- |
| 17:05.06 | ibot | stderr- has said lol 2 times (0.1 %), ranked 41/91 (percentile: 45.1 %) |
| 17:05.10 | stderr- | :D |
| 17:05.17 | beandog | heh |
| 17:05.18 | beandog | thats great |
| 17:05.30 | carmony | need to laugh more, stderr- ;D |
| 17:05.42 | carmony | or more like it, you just need to laugh more randomly without any other context :P |
| 17:05.43 | mgeary | ~lolstats mgeary |
| 17:05.43 | ibot | mgeary has said lol 1 times (0.0 %), ranked 57/91 (percentile: 62.6 %) |
| 17:05.53 | stderr- | dang it mgeary |
| 17:06.13 | mgeary | ~mehstats mgeary |
| 17:06.32 | carmony | .lol |
| 17:06.33 | carmony | :P |
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| 18:32.28 | *** topic/#UPHPU is UPHPU | Utah PHP Users Group | it's supernovia bday today |
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| 18:38.48 | supernovia | ~lolstats supernovia |
| 18:38.48 | ibot | supernovia has said lol 81 times (2.9 %), ranked 9/91 (percentile: 9.9 %) |
| 18:39.07 | supernovia | ~lolstats swb |
| 18:39.07 | ibot | swb has said lol 6 times (0.2 %), ranked 26/91 (percentile: 28.6 %) |
| 18:45.04 | redroy | haha |
| 18:45.17 | redroy | ~lolstats redroy |
| 18:45.17 | ibot | redroy has said lol 10 times (0.4 %), ranked 20/91 (percentile: 22.0 %) |
| 18:49.21 | mindjuju | ~lolstats mindjuju |
| 18:49.21 | ibot | mindjuju has said lol 5 times (0.2 %), ranked 28/91 (percentile: 30.8 %) |
| 18:49.33 | mindjuju | i'm surprised it's that much |
| 18:52.30 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:27.50 | skinner | o i c |
| 20:27.51 | beandog | herlo: I tell you man, everytime I move I forget to check out what the internet options are |
| 20:27.51 | herlo | mgeary: so you can't have UTOPIA unless you buy the GOLD package? |
| 20:27.57 | mgeary | we are a business, but i don't know if it's a "business" account |
| 20:28.06 | mgeary | herlo: weren't you paying attention to my ranting above? |
| 20:28.20 | fungus | beandog, that's priority 1 |
| 20:28.22 | beandog | mgeary: I didnt realize that was the issue you guys were facing |
| 20:28.22 | mgeary | you don't hang on my every word?? |
| 20:28.27 | herlo | beandog: oh, I researched what I was getting into. I just didn't anticipate the big political battle that HOA's are |
| 20:28.40 | beandog | HOA = evil |
| 20:28.44 | herlo | mgeary: ?? |
| 20:28.47 | beandog | I'll never move into one of those |
| 20:29.22 | beandog | Its like being in an apartment complex. But without any of the benefits. |
| 20:29.25 | beandog | Or something. |
| 20:29.27 | beandog | maybe it's not. |
| 20:29.32 | herlo | mgeary: I get that UTOPIA isn't in your area, but earlier you were discussing it... |
| 20:29.40 | herlo | so I guess I'm a bit confuzled |
| 20:29.56 | mgeary | herlo: in a word, yes. Utopia, after a messy and tangled multi-month installation process suddenly decided at the final moment that they weren't going to allow anyone in the building to get anything other than their Gold package |
| 20:30.44 | herlo | mgeary: ahh, and so they lost the sale |
| 20:30.51 | mgeary | well |
| 20:31.11 | mgeary | sort of. i believe our landlord foolishly signed up for a dedicated plan, thinking to resell it to the tenants |
| 20:31.27 | herlo | I guess if something was signed and agreed upon, lawyers get to be involved |
| 20:31.29 | mgeary | so they may have a contract, but we're not falling for that |
| 20:31.48 | herlo | who's *they* |
| 20:32.10 | mgeary | our landlord |
| 20:32.32 | herlo | oh, so they think that you would buy the service? Or is this speculation? |
| 20:32.45 | beandog | man ... I remember the password, but forget the username ... |
| 20:32.56 | mgeary | they thought we would, even though all along we told them that we only had interest in the Silver package |
| 20:33.01 | skinner | user: admin |
| 20:33.02 | herlo | beandog: seems like those would go together |
| 20:33.05 | skinner | beandog: ^ |
| 20:33.28 | herlo | mgeary: ahh...are you the only tenant interested? or are there a bunch of other *suckers*?? |
| 20:33.29 | beandog | mgeary: thats poopy man |
| 20:33.50 | mgeary | herlo: nope, they've all taken the same position that we have |
| 20:34.10 | skinner | beandog: $foo = &$myArray[5][]; // This also works so I can use $foo as a pointer to the new key in the array. :) |
| 20:34.10 | beandog | it was root. |
| 20:34.33 | beandog | mgeary: so your landlord is stuck with a fast net connection that nobody wants? |
| 20:34.36 | herlo | well, I guess either he'll lose out. Hopefully he's smart enough to pay the difference and not take as big of a loss... |
| 20:34.38 | mgeary | beandog: yep |
| 20:34.48 | herlo | s/either// |
| 20:35.14 | mgeary | though i suspect their contract is set up at a $ per mb, so if no one signs up, they'll probably end up getting a 2mb connection, and we all lose |
| 20:35.29 | mgeary | thanks, Utopia! |
| 20:36.10 | herlo | ahh, so it's not even about packages |
| 20:36.26 | herlo | it's about $$ per mb and each package gives you a cheaper $$ per mb |
| 20:36.32 | beandog | mgeary: what do the rest of the tenants do for internet |
| 20:36.38 | mgeary | beandog: Clear |
| 20:36.45 | herlo | or more expensive, depending on how you look at it |
| 20:36.56 | herlo | mgeary: I'm guessing this is at your place of business, not at home. |
| 20:36.58 | beandog | crazy |
| 20:38.16 | beandog | does anyone know if nagios keeps long-term stats |
| 20:38.22 | beandog | like if I could see what the system load was like last week |
| 20:38.30 | beandog | or is it just the most recent stats |
| 20:38.32 | herlo | beandog: that's what cacti or munin do |
| 20:38.44 | beandog | herlo: well, Ive got nagios and collectd working |
| 20:38.47 | herlo | which is why I keep recommending munin |
| 20:38.52 | beandog | collectd is awesome. I deployed it on most of our servers |
| 20:38.53 | herlo | beandog: dunno about collectd |
| 20:39.00 | beandog | super simple to setup |
| 20:39.10 | beandog | and sexy go nice |
| 20:39.12 | beandog | cool graphs |
| 20:39.15 | beandog | lotsa plugins |
| 20:39.16 | beandog | etc. |
| 20:40.07 | mgeary | herlo: right. Utopia will happily let home users get other packages |
| 20:41.46 | herlo | mgeary: suckers! |
| 20:41.57 | herlo | beandog: I'll have to check i tout |
| 20:51.41 | skinner | I just checked with my buddy that had Clear. He says: "they throttle bandwidth to unusable speeds after 10GB of total transfer in a month" |
| 20:52.32 | herlo | srsly, even comcast isn't that bad |
| 20:52.56 | herlo | I use at ~90G/month according to the comcast graphs |
| 20:53.04 | herlo | one month, I went over their 250G limit |
| 20:53.13 | herlo | which I think is too low |
| 20:53.13 | fungus | beandog, nagios only stores historical data in logs. unless you add the PNP "plugin" that records the performance data from your checks into RRD files for producing graphs. |
| 20:53.35 | herlo | and rrd translates well to cacti :) |
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| 20:55.01 | fungus | the PNP "plugin" for nagios is kinda nice, but IMHO not better than Munin, Cacti, or something else. |
| 20:55.54 | mgeary | we definitely download more than 10GB in a month |
| 20:56.19 | mgeary | however, we don't generate any P2P traffic. It's likely that Clear monitors some kinds of traffic more than others |
| 20:56.59 | herlo | yeah, I hear that, but it seems to me that P2P traffic gets a bad rap |
| 20:57.58 | mgeary | i'm not arguing that |
| 20:58.53 | skinner | I have a buddy that just started learning PHP this year and has been told symphony or Yii should be used once you get familiar with the language. I have heard of them, but never used them. What are all ya'lls thoughts on them? |
| 20:59.28 | mgeary | tell your buddy to learn Django instead ;) |
| 20:59.49 | mgeary | and i'll give you my address where he can send his thank you gift in a few months |
| 21:00.09 | herlo | skinner: beandog seems to like yii |
| 21:00.16 | josephscott | says the guy hanging out in the PHP channel :-) |
| 21:00.50 | mgeary | josephscott: how could i leave you guys? |
| 21:00.58 | herlo | josephscott: I don't use PHP either |
| 21:01.02 | mgeary | besides, we/I still do PHP |
| 21:01.07 | herlo | but I do have a few places I support it :) |
| 21:01.15 | mgeary | but given a choice, i would certainly rather use Django than PHP |
| 21:01.17 | josephscott | yes, but I didn't see you telling the guy he shouldn't learn/use it |
| 21:01.22 | herlo | well, I guess if you count my wordpress dev stuff, i do :) |
| 21:01.49 | herlo | josephscott: true, but I think django or web.py are easier to use/learn overall |
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| 21:01.59 | josephscott | I've been playing with python for some stuff, I should give django a try again one of these days |
| 21:02.17 | skinner | think this could be a topic sometime for our monthly meeting. Pros and cons of all the different frameworks/libraries....when to use them, when not to use them, ones to stay away from, etc.... |
| 21:03.06 | herlo | josephscott: it's come a long way |
| 21:03.28 | herlo | skinner: great idea, I think you should present that in September :) |
| 21:03.43 | josephscott | I still don't forgive python for not including strtotime support by default ;-) |
| 21:03.55 | josephscott | batteries included my foot |
| 21:03.58 | herlo | josephscott: datetime provides that basically. |
| 21:04.08 | josephscott | uh, not even close when I looked |
| 21:04.14 | skinner | herlo: can't.....baby is due right about then :( |
| 21:04.17 | skinner | maybe October? |
| 21:04.36 | herlo | josephscott: give me an example, I might be able to do it pretty quick |
| 21:04.42 | herlo | skinner: sure, let macnewbold know |
| 21:04.43 | herlo | :) |
| 21:04.47 | skinner | heh |
| 21:04.57 | macnewbold | what what? |
| 21:05.33 | herlo | macnewbold: skinner is going to give the 'Pros and cons of all the different frameworks/libraries' presentaiton in October |
| 21:05.35 | macnewbold | ooh, presenter |
| 21:05.36 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:05.36 | herlo | macnewbold: you are welcome |
| 21:05.45 | herlo | :P |
| 21:05.50 | josephscott | herlo : strtotime( "+3 weeks" ) |
| 21:05.58 | herlo | ahh, k. Hang on |
| 21:06.10 | macnewbold | btw herlo, a buddy is potentially going to contact you - he's looking for a python or django gig |
| 21:06.23 | skinner | macnewbold: I'll have to see if October works for me....maybe November. But one of those months. |
| 21:06.26 | josephscott | strtotime( "first monday next month" ) |
| 21:07.05 | herlo | josephscott: yeah, I was thinking more like 'Nov 15, 2011 10:23:33 MST" or something. I'm sure there's a lib out there to do what you want, too |
| 21:07.06 | josephscott | and the whole cookie jar thing is a sin ;-) |
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| 21:07.15 | herlo | cookie jar? |
| 21:07.36 | josephscott | http://docs.python.org/library/cookielib.html |
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| 21:07.59 | josephscott | and then there is the really crummy HTTP BASIC AUTH support |
| 21:08.13 | josephscott | don't worry, there is plenty complain about in standard PHP too :-) |
| 21:08.26 | herlo | josephscott: haha |
| 21:08.27 | herlo | found it |
| 21:08.28 | herlo | from dateutil.parser import parse |
| 21:08.29 | herlo | parse('Tue, 26 May 2009 19:58:20 -0500').strftime('%s') |
| 21:08.39 | herlo | wonder if I can do 'three weeks' |
| 21:08.54 | herlo | nope |
| 21:09.07 | josephscott | yeah, it has a very, very, very narrow list of formats that it supports |
| 21:09.30 | herlo | right |
| 21:10.00 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: I think you're the only person who uses strtotime ;) |
| 21:10.09 | josephscott | haha |
| 21:10.55 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: here ya go http://pypi.python.org/pypi/timelib/ |
| 21:10.59 | mgeary | herlo: there is. parsedatetime |
| 21:11.22 | josephscott | yep, my complaint wasn't that someone couldn't write a third party lib to do it |
| 21:11.25 | herlo | josephscott: there is also some django stuff like timesince and timeuntil |
| 21:11.27 | herlo | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/templates/builtins/?from=olddocs#built-in-filter-reference |
| 21:11.30 | mgeary | josephscott: i hear you |
| 21:11.33 | josephscott | "I still don't forgive python for not including strtotime support by default " |
| 21:11.55 | herlo | mgeary: yeah, just not in the stdlib |
| 21:12.08 | stderr- | There are many advantages to not throwing in everything and the kitchen sink to a language's stdlib like PHP is wont to do. |
| 21:12.09 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:12.16 | herlo | stderr-: agreed |
| 21:13.48 | josephscott | I think PHP has struck something pretty close to a reasonable balance with their extensions |
| 21:13.59 | stderr- | Yea, I can tell by their global namespace. |
| 21:14.01 | stderr- | >_> |
| 21:15.08 | josephscott | Ug, the namespace situation in PHP is just silly, but that doesn't completely equal the issue of throwing all code as part of the core language |
| 21:15.41 | josephscott | but it is python that uses the "batteries included" slogan :-) http://www.python.org/about/ |
| 21:15.56 | stderr- | I don't think Python has "thrown out all code as part of the core language" |
| 21:16.27 | stderr- | The core is pretty complete. And while perhaps human readable date parsers are a deal breaker for you, they're not for most programmers. |
| 21:17.11 | josephscott | I still managed to write python code with out it |
| 21:17.32 | josephscott | s/with out/without/ |
| 21:17.39 | josephscott | welcome back ibot :-) |
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| 21:23.17 | stderr- | josephscott: I've read your blog post re: http basic authentication, too. Python follows the HTTP spec. You're not supposed to send credentials unless the server explicitly requests them. |
| 21:23.24 | stderr- | thus the two requests. |
| 21:24.20 | josephscott | that's listed in one of the specs? |
| 21:25.02 | stderr- | Indeed. |
| 21:26.04 | josephscott | hmmm, I'll have to go re-read those and see if I can pick that out |
| 21:26.53 | josephscott | this seems to say that you can send them before getting a response : http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2617#section-2 |
| 21:27.05 | josephscott | A client MAY preemptively send the |
| 21:27.06 | josephscott | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.07 | josephscott | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.26 | josephscott | I suspect most browsers do exactly that once auth has happened the first time |
| 21:28.48 | josephscott | can you image having to wait for an explicit auth response for every image, css, js, etc. on a page load? |
| 21:29.49 | stderr- | I'm fixing a bug but I've seen it in one of the specs, I'll look for it later |
| 21:36.23 | beandog | herlo: I havent used yii. co-workers use it (I'm sysadmin only) |
| 21:36.28 | herlo | ahh |
| 21:39.58 | skinner | So I interviewed at a company a few months back. They called me last week for a follow up interview. I went anyway even tho I like my current job. I just got an email from the HR person with one question in it: "Can you email me your salary history?" |
| 21:40.12 | herlo | nice |
| 21:40.19 | skinner | I've always done salary talks in person |
| 21:40.20 | herlo | few *months* is a long time |
| 21:40.22 | skinner | or over the phone |
| 21:40.33 | herlo | email back one word 'no' :) |
| 21:40.36 | skinner | lol |
| 21:40.43 | herlo | see what kind of response you get |
| 21:40.46 | skinner | I'm not sure how to respond to that email. |
| 21:40.49 | skinner | lol |
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| 21:41.49 | herlo | I'd just say that you don't discuss salary history in that way. You will give them a range where you'd like to be paid at $125k/year or something. |
| 21:42.24 | herlo | assuming you like your job, make sure the salary you suggest is semi-ridiculous compared to what you make. If they offer you anything close, you'll at least have a bargaining chip :) |
| 21:42.33 | skinner | exactly |
| 21:42.44 | beandog | skinner: dude, never give out salary history. That's your one playing card. |
| 21:42.51 | skinner | beandog: My thoughts too |
| 21:42.57 | skinner | I thought maybe something liek: |
| 21:43.10 | beandog | "I make 120k a year. In my head." |
| 21:44.08 | skinner | 1995 - $4.95 / hr |
| 21:44.08 | skinner | 1996 - $5.75 / hr (Promoted to burger flipping) |
| 21:44.08 | skinner | 1997 - $7.70 / hr (Shift manager) |
| 21:44.13 | skinner | etc |
| 21:44.26 | herlo | lol |
| 21:44.26 | skinner | but that's probably not what they mean by salary history |
| 21:44.35 | beandog | skinner: you can keep it simple, but still diplomatic. "Sorry, I just don't feel comfortable giving it out. Feel free to let me know what range you had budgeted for the position and I can tell you if I'm interested or not." |
| 21:44.41 | herlo | oh, but you could totally screw with someone on that level |
| 21:44.49 | beandog | skinner: lol |
| 21:45.21 | ninnypants | anyone here use drupal? |
| 21:45.29 | mindjuju | you could also just say that you prefer to discuss salary in person and that your available to talk next week, or whatever |
| 21:45.50 | beandog | we woke up mindjuju ! |
| 21:46.06 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 21:46.11 | beandog | mindjuju: or you could say, I prefer to discuss salary over a steak dinner. |
| 21:46.33 | beandog | ninnypants: I wouldn't tell your employer that |
| 21:46.33 | mindjuju | i saw a picture that made me think of you |
| 21:46.53 | ninnypants | beandog: why? |
| 21:47.07 | beandog | ninnypants: might let you work for free :) |
| 21:47.15 | mindjuju | http://i.imgur.com/qxlgC.jpg |
| 21:47.24 | mindjuju | reminds me of beandog for somereason ^^ |
| 21:47.31 | mindjuju | maybe his affinity for kats |
| 21:47.32 | beandog | whut |
| 21:47.32 | ninnypants | heh |
| 21:47.42 | beandog | lol |
| 21:47.44 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 21:47.51 | beandog | kung fu kittie |
| 21:47.59 | beandog | spares no one |
| 21:48.08 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:51.16 | redroy | minecraft++ |
| 21:53.06 | stderr- | josephscott: hm, I could be wrong. Looked for it real quick and couldn't find it. I'll blame it on this summer cold. |
| 21:53.16 | redroy | mindjuju, you can play on our server whenever you like 9root.com:25565 just let me know your username :) |
| 21:55.54 | redroy | you have to give it a chance |
| 21:56.15 | stderr- | I played for a week and got bored. Better things to do, especially in Utah. |
| 21:57.05 | herlo | stderr-: I hear minecraft will suck you in if you are a nerdy teen.... |
| 21:57.36 | stderr- | you kids get off my cubic pixelated lawn! |
| 21:58.20 | macnewbold | cubic pixel == voxel, no? |
| 21:58.33 | stderr- | indeed |
| 21:58.39 | redroy | oh yeah, I have better things to do too |
| 22:01.09 | skinner | once again, I just realized i've been sitting here for 2 hours with my headphones on.... |
| 22:01.11 | skinner | ....with my music paused |
| 22:01.27 | beandog | lol |
| 22:02.06 | macnewbold | skinner: better than sitting there with your headphones off, with your music playing, i guess... |
| 22:02.25 | skinner | true |
| 22:02.43 | romanovic | #uphpu must be very engaging today :) |
| 22:03.24 | herlo | romanovic: VERY! |
| 22:03.35 | herlo | romanovic: that, or we're just very not interested in doing work today :) |
| 22:04.08 | herlo | in fact, I'm done working for today! |
| 22:04.26 | redroy | I might be |
| 22:04.30 | redroy | can't decide |
| 22:06.12 | herlo | romanovic: be done! |
| 22:06.16 | herlo | redroy: you too! |
| 22:06.17 | herlo | :) |
| 22:06.29 | herlo | I'll be back on later, I'm sure |
| 22:06.52 | redroy | Done! |
| 22:07.00 | herlo | ciao! |
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| 22:08.31 | redroy | I'm definitely NOT going to play minecraft though, way to cool for that ;) |
| 22:12.55 | mindjuju | redroy, is this a personal server? kid friendly? |
| 22:13.20 | redroy | yeah, there's only about 10 of us on there |
| 22:13.27 | redroy | and 4 of those are my kids |
| 22:13.28 | mindjuju | oh awesome |
| 22:13.29 | redroy | :) |
| 22:14.13 | mindjuju | do your kids like it? my boy is 8 |
| 22:14.38 | redroy | they love it |
| 22:14.59 | redroy | 5 â 13yr olds |
| 22:15.19 | redroy | limitless, non-clean up legos |
| 22:15.32 | mindjuju | yup, that's exactly what i was seeing |
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| 22:22.10 | fridgesm | do you play minecraft classic? |
| 22:22.28 | fridgesm | or the beta? |
| 22:22.37 | fridgesm | I haven't played before, but it sounds fun |
| 22:24.06 | redroy | I think it's beta that we play |
| 22:24.17 | redroy | cause there's updates about every month |
| 22:25.10 | fridgesm | so you have to pay for it? |
| 22:25.22 | skinner | one time purchase |
| 22:25.49 | skinner | like $15 ish |
| 22:25.54 | skinner | way worth it |
| 22:26.09 | fridgesm | ok |
| 22:26.32 | redroy | you don't have to pay if you only play locally |
| 22:26.40 | skinner | true |
| 22:26.42 | redroy | it's if you want to jump on other servers |
| 22:27.02 | redroy | so just download and play locally, then you can decide |
| 22:28.03 | fridgesm | really? |
| 22:28.04 | fridgesm | ok |
| 22:32.03 | fridgesm | I downloaded it, and I can't seem to play -- it says I have to log in with a premium account |
| 22:32.57 | fridgesm | hmmm.... |
| 22:33.20 | skinner | I think you still have to register a username/password.... |
| 22:33.25 | skinner | but you don't have to pay |
| 22:33.48 | fridgesm | I ran the launcher, and it complained that my account wasn't premium |
| 22:34.10 | fridgesm | "user not premium" |
| 22:34.26 | fridgesm | I don't see a way to play single player |
| 22:34.32 | redroy | weird, maybe they changed things |
| 22:34.34 | fridgesm | I'm on OS X, if that matters |
| 22:34.54 | redroy | did you reg? http://www.minecraft.net/register.jsp |
| 22:35.04 | fridgesm | yes |
| 22:37.43 | redroy | that's very strange |
| 22:39.21 | redroy | though, sometimes if you wait a while things kick back in |
| 22:39.32 | redroy | there servers will go down once and a while |
| 22:39.39 | redroy | *their |
| 22:40.08 | redroy | cause they definitely allow free accounts |
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| 23:12.43 | ninnypants | would something like this work in mysql? CONCAT('%', tbl.match, '%') LIKE '$referer') |
| 23:13.03 | fridgesm | not sure, have you tried it? :) |
| 23:13.19 | fridgesm | you have an extraneous ) at the end |
| 23:13.24 | ninnypants | nope they have me writing code without the database set up |
| 23:13.36 | jsmith | ninnypants: Does MySQL not support the SQL standard operator of '||' for concatenation? |
| 23:13.38 | ninnypants | noticed that after I posted it |
| 23:14.26 | ninnypants | jsmith: I assume it would but I didn't know about || |
| 23:14.35 | fridgesm | I think You have the LIKE backwards, I think |
| 23:14.50 | fridgesm | The % pattern goes after the LIKE |
| 23:16.25 | josephscott | jsmith: http://troels.arvin.dk/db/rdbms/#functions-concat |
| 23:16.30 | josephscott | take a wild guess :-) |
| 23:16.49 | jsmith | josephscott: If I had to guess, I'd say MySQL must still not support the SQL standard :-p |
| 23:17.16 | jsmith | $stab mysql |
| 23:17.20 | jsmith | ~stab mysql |
| 23:17.20 | ibot | ACTION runs at mysql with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:17.22 | josephscott | in this case it is even worse that not supporting it |
| 23:17.28 | jsmith | Aye... |
| 23:17.31 | ninnypants | yeah it doesn't support || |
| 23:17.31 | josephscott | "Badly breaks the standard by redefining || to mean OR" |
| 23:17.31 | jsmith | That's just plain awful |
| 23:18.06 | ninnypants | fridgesm: that I do thanks |
| 23:18.14 | fridgesm | That's gotta be a legacy thing from before they cared about the SQL standard |
| 23:18.19 | josephscott | jsmith must be talking about postgresql ;-) |
| 23:18.43 | jsmith | josephscott: You'd better believe it... |
| 23:20.04 | fridgesm | You can tell MySQL to do it the correct way: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server-sql-mode.html#sqlmode_pipes_as_concat |
| 23:20.34 | josephscott | fridgesm: did they ever fix it so that clients can't request that to be turned off? |
| 23:20.53 | fridgesm | not sure |
| 23:20.59 | fridgesm | why would a client do that? |
| 23:21.12 | josephscott | I'm going to go with no |
| 23:21.14 | josephscott | "Any client can change its own session sql_mode value at any time." :-) |
| 23:21.29 | fridgesm | is that a bad thing? |
| 23:21.34 | josephscott | yes |
| 23:21.46 | josephscott | makes having an option on the server almost useless if you can't enforce it |
| 23:22.30 | fridgesm | I assume that's for people who install code (like WordPress, for example) that might want to use a different SQL mode than the server has on by default |
| 23:23.11 | josephscott | yep, my contention is that it should not allow clients to change that |
| 23:23.12 | fridgesm | So you could force MySQL to use the stricter SQL mode for your code, while letting the other code on the server live in blissful ignorance |
| 23:23.49 | fridgesm | it'd be a pain to do though, you'd have to keep setting that for every client session (basically every page request) |
| 23:23.53 | josephscott | how data is stored is a server decision |
| 23:24.05 | fridgesm | that's not talking about data storage, is it? |
| 23:24.21 | josephscott | that really isn't a pain, not uncommon to set other options on each connection as well, like UTF8 |
| 23:24.25 | fridgesm | this is just SQL stuff, at least what I'm looking at |
| 23:24.28 | josephscott | which is another whole story for MySQL :-) |
| 23:24.39 | josephscott | it is definitely data storage |
| 23:24.42 | fridgesm | I guess stuff like allowing invalid dates |
| 23:24.54 | josephscott | if I want 0000-00-00 to not be a valid date, that is a data storage issue |
| 23:25.14 | josephscott | if I want data to not be automatically truncated, that is definitely a data storage issue |
| 23:26.00 | fridgesm | agreed |
| 23:26.19 | fridgesm | well, don't install stupid people's software then, and you should be fine |
| 23:26.24 | fridgesm | that's why I write my own :) |
| 23:26.39 | josephscott | some people would say that would mean never installing MySQL ;-) |
| 23:27.26 | josephscott | I prefer a more holistic approach |
| 23:27.38 | josephscott | MySQL, like pretty much everything else, has issues |
| 23:27.55 | josephscott | better to go in well aware of them |
| 23:28.10 | josephscott | it also has advantages, best to go in well aware of them |
| 23:29.01 | skinner | I have an XML file that has this element in it: |
| 23:29.03 | ninnypants | many people would have to write the whole OS up if that were their policy |
| 23:29.03 | skinner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.03 | skinner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.03 | skinner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.14 | skinner | I'm using SimpleXML |
| 23:29.52 | skinner | in that section, the only data that simplexml is getting is this: |
| 23:30.03 | skinner | ewww, doesn't paste well |
| 23:30.10 | ninnypants | skinner: you would need to get the document namespaces then switch to that namespace to get those attributes |
| 23:30.49 | skinner | i've gotten down to that specific namespace <resource> |
| 23:30.56 | skinner | but I can't access bb:title |
| 23:31.05 | skinner | unless I'm confused |
| 23:31.09 | skinner | or bb:file |
| 23:31.22 | skinner | identifier and type show up |
| 23:31.33 | ninnypants | that's a tag name not a name space the name space will likely be further up in the document |
| 23:31.39 | ninnypants | can you pastebin the doc? |
| 23:31.52 | skinner | it's about 1000 lines |
| 23:31.53 | skinner | that ok? |
| 23:32.00 | ninnypants | just a sec |
| 23:32.04 | skinner | lol |
| 23:33.03 | skinner | http://pastebin.com/AMmUTQMm |
| 23:33.07 | skinner | starting at line 415 |
| 23:33.07 | ninnypants | use this to get the document name spaces http://www.php.net/manual/en/simplexmlelement.getdocnamespaces.php |
| 23:33.46 | ninnypants | this is what the namespace looks like xmlns:bb="http://www.blackboard.com/content-packaging/" |
| 23:34.44 | skinner | ah, thank you. I think that is exactly what I'm looking for. :) |
| 23:34.53 | skinner | ~ninnypants++ |
| 23:35.21 | skinner | ~ninnypants++ |
| 23:35.37 | ninnypants | wow |
| 23:35.43 | ninnypants | ~karma ninnypants |
| 23:35.43 | ibot | ninnypants has karma of 4 |
| 23:36.18 | ninnypants | hmm guess it doesn't let you run a bunch like that |
| 23:38.07 | josephscott | either that your were negative before ;-) |
| 23:38.12 | josephscott | ~karma ie6 |
| 23:38.12 | ibot | ie6 has neutral karma |
| 23:38.17 | josephscott | ~karma ie |
| 23:38.17 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 23:38.38 | influx | ~tiredness-- |
| 23:39.17 | fungus | the karma incrementer has a rate-limiter |
| 23:39.39 | influx | ~karma influx |
| 23:39.39 | ibot | influx has karma of 6 |
| 23:40.03 | influx | The limit is 1, ya? |
| 23:43.48 | skinner | ninnypants: I'm doing something wrong |
| 23:43.56 | skinner | it's not returning the data I'm needing |
| 23:44.47 | skinner | that pastebin link I sent....i'm getting the xmlns:bb data on line 2 |
| 23:44.52 | skinner | but not bb:title on line 416 |
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| 23:51.49 | ninnypants | skinner: are you defining the namespace when you call attributes? http://www.php.net/manual/en/simplexmlelement.attributes.php |
| 23:53.27 | skinner | I'm not.... ---> $attr = $resource->attributes(); |
| 23:53.29 | skinner | should I be? |
| 23:54.48 | ninnypants | yeah that's how you would get bb:title |
| 23:55.35 | ninnypants | $attr = $resource->attributes($namespace); |
| 23:56.31 | skinner | $namespace='bb:title'; ...? |
| 23:56.55 | skinner | or is it 'title'...hmmm |
| 23:57.05 | skinner | that's what it looks like I should use... |
