| 00:07.53 | supersortahere | d'oh, can't remember the right command to correct my post |
| 00:08.16 | supersortahere | s/d'oh, can't/ah, I can |
| 00:08.47 | supersortahere | s/goofball/gooooofball/ |
| 00:08.53 | supersortahere | one more try |
| 00:10.34 | supersortahere | oh well. |
| 00:11.10 | beandog | Hmm. Can I limit SSH access to a whitelist of IP addresses using tcp_wrappers? |
| 00:17.15 | supersortahere | $8ball should I eat cake? |
| 00:17.15 | raifbot | supersortahere - As I see it, yes. |
| 00:17.30 | supersortahere | alright, I might. |
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| 03:26.36 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 03:26.36 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Mostly Cloudy 80f / 27c Humidity: 36% Wind: S at 14 mph |
| 03:51.07 | Utah_Dave | $sleep josephscott |
| 03:51.27 | josephscott | I hear that is only for the weak :-) |
| 03:52.07 | Utah_Dave | he he |
| 03:52.15 | Utah_Dave | so I've heard |
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| 14:30.48 | herlo | is that your left or right eye? |
| 14:30.52 | herlo | :P |
| 14:30.56 | mindjuju | left |
| 14:32.23 | eggyknap | .oO(Russell: "My knee hurts!" Carl: "Which knee?" Russell: "... um ... my elbow hurts! And I have to go to the bathroom") |
| 14:32.44 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 14:33.17 | herlo | hehe |
| 14:33.27 | eggyknap | My kids tend to ask, regularly, "Do I dig the hole before, or after?" |
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| 14:33.59 | herlo | does it really matter? You still have to dig a hole |
| 14:34.15 | Monnok | after. You never know how big of a hole you'll need |
| 14:34.39 | mindjuju | eggyknap, now that you're now on a farm, do you get all the cool toys? |
| 14:34.44 | mindjuju | tractor? backhoe? |
| 14:34.53 | mindjuju | steam roller? |
| 14:35.10 | mindjuju | ATV |
| 14:37.37 | jsmith | A combine, a bobcat, and a good horse... |
| 14:37.57 | mindjuju | bobcat could be really cool |
| 14:38.05 | mindjuju | make bike ramps |
| 14:38.06 | eggyknap | I moved here without even a ladder (I've since bought one, and immediately dropped it on my toe) |
| 14:38.15 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 14:38.40 | eggyknap | I'm hoping to avoid major machinery purchases -- plowing can be done with pigs, after all, and a tractor won't turn into bacon. |
| 14:39.02 | mindjuju | who knew? |
| 14:40.36 | mindjuju | wow, you're serious - http://www.motherearthnews.com/Sustainable-Farming/2005-12-01/Plow-With-Pigs.aspx |
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| 14:42.22 | eggyknap | Yeah, definitely serious. |
| 14:42.46 | eggyknap | Tractors are seriously pricey. So are pigs, for that matter, but nowhere near what tractors are. |
| 14:44.13 | eggyknap | And if I want a tractor, I have all kinds of neighbors I can ask to come do stuff, for a suitable fee. |
| 14:45.30 | mindjuju | we should find a way to do farming FOSS style so we can have a meet out there |
| 14:46.57 | eggyknap | :) |
| 14:47.19 | eggyknap | It's been an interesting experience thus far. Lots of people around here have neat stuff like solar systems, underground greenhouses, etc. |
| 14:48.06 | herlo | mindjuju: there already is someone who's doing that |
| 14:48.11 | herlo | I saw it on TED |
| 14:48.23 | jsmith | Open Source Tractors for the win! |
| 14:48.25 | herlo | this guy is building machines that can be reassembled in different ways |
| 14:48.34 | herlo | I think the designs are free |
| 14:48.41 | herlo | and can be altered and shared |
| 14:48.55 | herlo | you still would have to pay for the parts and/or build it yourself |
| 14:49.14 | mindjuju | that sounds pretty cool though |
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| 14:50.56 | herlo | let me see if I can find the article |
| 14:51.49 | herlo | http://www.ted.com/conversations/2043/the_global_village_constructio.html |
| 14:52.20 | herlo | here's the talk abou tit |
| 14:52.22 | herlo | http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski.html |
| 15:00.58 | Utah_Dave | I got my DasKeyboard in a few days ago. |
| 15:01.07 | mindjuju | any good?? |
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| 15:01.27 | Utah_Dave | it's pretty cool. I like the tactile feel while typing. I just wish they had an ergonomic model |
| 15:02.25 | Utah_Dave | I got the "Silent" model. My purchasing guy sits just a few feet away from me and freaked out when he saw that they sell earplugs that you can buy with your keyboard |
| 15:02.45 | Utah_Dave | The "Silent" model is still really freaking loud. I can't imagine how loud the regular version is. |
| 15:02.46 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:03.00 | Utah_Dave | it is really nice to type on. |
| 15:04.45 | herlo | hehe |
| 15:04.49 | herlo | Utah_Dave: type LOUDER! |
| 15:05.31 | Utah_Dave | :) I should record myself writing up a report or something and post it somewhere for you, herlo. |
| 15:12.40 | herlo | yeah |
| 15:12.44 | herlo | that'd rock! |
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| 16:47.41 | wTrevyn | Whats the latest recommendation for dynamic PDF creation, my end goal is legal documents, with variable data? |
| 16:47.49 | wTrevyn | any suggestions |
| 16:47.56 | wTrevyn | I am hearing rumblings of HTML to PDF |
| 16:48.16 | wTrevyn | but not sure if that is as standard as fPDF or ibPDF or whatever those librarries are |
| 16:54.54 | Utah_Dave | I did some stuff with generating pdf's just a couple months ago. let me look at my code real quick. I can't remember which library I ended up going with. |
| 16:55.17 | wTrevyn | Utah_Dave: thanks |
| 16:55.47 | Utah_Dave | OK, I ended up using fpdf along with fpdi |
| 16:56.24 | Utah_Dave | My use case was the following: I had a PDF form and i needed to fill out the form with variable data depending on data from the user |
| 16:57.17 | Utah_Dave | I was able to use the already created pdf as a background for the newly generated PDF and then programatically add the information to the page using coordinates |
| 16:57.27 | Utah_Dave | It worked out really well and is pretty fast. |
| 16:58.31 | wTrevyn | wow, FPDF I have not used in years. |
| 16:58.51 | wTrevyn | but i dont need forms. |
| 16:59.00 | wTrevyn | Ill do web forms, with PDF generation. |
| 17:09.05 | Utah_Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.34 | Utah_Dave | the user entered all the information on the web page and then a regular pdf was created from that |
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| 17:20.50 | wTrevyn | Utah_Dave: oh nice |
| 17:20.50 | wTrevyn | yeah thats my plan. |
| 17:20.59 | wTrevyn | i thought those options were older however. |
| 17:21.09 | wTrevyn | ill do more research |
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| 19:02.49 | beandog | its too quiet in here |
| 19:02.51 | beandog | we need more bongos |
| 19:03.52 | herlo | beandog: get on that! |
| 19:04.39 | beandog | right on |
| 19:10.40 | jsmith | ~bongo beandog |
| 19:11.28 | jsmith | ibot: bongo $victim is <action> bangs on the bongos right next to $victim's left ear |
| 19:11.28 | ibot | okay, jsmith |
| 19:11.30 | jsmith | ~bongo beandog |
| 19:11.30 | ibot | ACTION bangs on the bongos right next to beandog's left ear |
| 19:11.51 | beandog | whut |
| 19:12.40 | herlo | lol |
| 19:17.52 | mindjuju | first look at catwoman from the new batman movie, i'm sorry, i can't help but see Ella Enchanted or Princess Diaries - http://www.latinoreview.com/news/first-look-at-catwoman-in-the-dark-knight-rises-14376 |
| 19:18.38 | mindjuju | here is full zoom - http://www.latinoreview.com/images/upload/movieimages/full_movieimage_28092.jpg |
| 19:21.59 | beandog | are you serious |
| 19:22.02 | beandog | anne hathaway??? |
| 19:22.05 | beandog | UGH |
| 19:22.12 | beandog | That just totally ruined the whole movie for me. |
| 19:22.33 | beandog | that woman does not need to be in every movie |
| 19:22.34 | beandog | what the crack |
| 19:23.05 | beandog | ~shun new batman movie |
| 19:23.05 | ibot | You are dead to me, new batman movie. |
| 19:23.54 | stderr- | Oh please, she's not that bad |
| 19:24.23 | stderr- | if Katie Holmes didn't manage to ruin the first movie, I think we're fine |
| 19:26.55 | mahelious | I have no problem with Hathaway actually, but WTF is the deal with that bike? |
| 19:28.02 | DexterTheDragon | it's awesome? |
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| 19:38.52 | mindjuju | didn't mean to imply she would be awful, i'm just used to her in a different type of role |
| 19:39.30 | mindjuju | michelle pfeiffer was great catwoman |
| 19:39.41 | beandog | mindjuju: toties |
| 19:39.42 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 19:39.43 | ibot | mindjuju is probably sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or has a thing for hawt sitcom moms, or likes ponicals, or listens to celine dijon. DJ Nerd Magic, or can't tell toast from a pop-tart |
| 19:39.49 | beandog | ~mindjuju++ |
| 19:40.45 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuju |
| 19:40.45 | ibot | mindjuju has karma of 45 |
| 19:40.49 | mindjuju | w00t! |
| 19:41.15 | mindjuju | did yall see these vids on breaking into lock doors from defcon? |
| 19:41.16 | mindjuju | http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/08/05/defcon-lockpickers-open-card-and-code-government-locks-in-seconds/ |
| 19:42.25 | beandog | mindjuju: I love reading these. |
| 19:42.42 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:43.15 | mindjuju | funny quote from article |
| 19:43.16 | mindjuju | âThe problem is that the engineers donât know security,â he says. âThey know about meeting the standards. But the criminals arenât keeping a copy of the standards in their back pockets.â |
| 19:43.34 | beandog | oh wow, videos |
| 19:43.47 | mindjuju | yup, the vids are VERY compelling |
| 19:43.47 | beandog | mindjuju: lol, awesome quote |
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| 19:45.21 | beandog | wow, that is *fail* |
| 19:45.25 | beandog | just smack the thing with a hammer |
| 19:45.31 | mindjuju | yar |
| 19:45.35 | mindjuju | that is funny |
| 19:45.42 | mindjuju | and at 1500 a piece |
| 19:46.08 | mindjuju | the US spokesman said there is a diff of the lock mounted on door and lock mounted on block of wood |
| 19:46.13 | beandog | oh my crap |
| 19:46.24 | mindjuju | are you looking at the wire hack? |
| 19:46.27 | beandog | the second video he just sticks a piece of metal in there. |
| 19:46.31 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:46.32 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 19:46.34 | beandog | buh :@ |
| 19:47.05 | herlo | I think locks are there to keep honest people honest, nothing more |
| 19:48.25 | beandog | holy cow these videos are awesome |
| 19:50.02 | beandog | I hate how the PR response is always to downplay the skill of the hackers |
| 19:50.09 | beandog | or their methodology |
| 19:50.11 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:50.28 | DexterTheDragon | a door is usually a block of wood... |
| 19:51.13 | beandog | awesome read, thanks mindjuju |
| 19:51.59 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:28.59 | beandog | ~bongos mindjuju |
| 20:29.06 | beandog | ~bongo mindjuju |
| 20:29.06 | ibot | ACTION bangs on the bongos right next to mindjuju's left ear |
| 20:29.14 | mindjuju | ouch! |
| 20:29.50 | mindjuju | 1 minute to project rollout |
| 20:30.30 | herlo | boo! |
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| 20:53.51 | beandog | did it rollout? |
| 20:54.01 | beandog | enquiring minds want to know |
| 20:58.02 | jsmith | beandog: Obviously not, or mindjuju would be gloating about how well it went |
| 20:58.13 | jsmith | beandog: And he's just asking for trouble, doing a rollout on a Friday afternoon |
| 20:59.20 | beandog | jsmith: oh man seriously |
| 20:59.28 | beandog | friday is the worst day to push anything live |
| 20:59.34 | jsmith | Aye... |
| 20:59.37 | beandog | might as well flush your weekend down the toilet. |
| 20:59.39 | jsmith | Unless you work weekends |
| 20:59.44 | Utah_Dave | yeah, never ever ever ever ever push anything out live on a Friday |
| 20:59.48 | jsmith | (because nobody will be calling you all weekend to complain) |
| 21:06.02 | mindjuju | has anybody seen this? |
| 21:06.03 | mindjuju | ssl_error_rx_unexpected_new_session_ticket |
| 21:07.58 | jsmith | mindjuju: No, but it sounds nasty |
| 21:08.18 | mindjuju | yar |
| 21:09.04 | skinner | what does it taste like? |
| 21:09.22 | skinner | so far it reads nasty. jsmith says it sounds nasty..... |
| 21:11.30 | mindjuju | tastes even worse |
| 21:12.27 | beandog | :T |
| 21:12.35 | beandog | mindjuju: check your apache ssl error logs? |
| 21:12.39 | beandog | probably just a misconfiguration |
| 21:16.59 | influx | Aloha. |
| 21:17.14 | beandog | que tal |
| 21:19.02 | influx | Bien bie |
| 21:19.08 | influx | n. Y tu? |
| 21:19.47 | beandog | ma o meno |
| 21:20.15 | mindjuju | so i'm seeing some MAJOR uber weirdness here. I have a site on *.80, when i try to pull up on 80 i'm getting a unable to connect, but when i try to view it on https, it shows |
| 21:20.42 | jsmith | Definitely sounds like a config issue |
| 21:20.53 | beandog | aye |
| 21:21.06 | beandog | tail your apache logs |
| 21:21.11 | beandog | they are *sure* to give you some details. |
| 21:21.20 | mindjuju | for extra fun, this is on a winders 2k3 box |
| 21:21.50 | beandog | oh well that's even easier |
| 21:21.57 | beandog | Just set fire to it and leave the building |
| 21:22.29 | beandog | be sure to grab a soda on the way out |
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| 21:29.42 | beandog | mindjuju: you running IIS? |
| 21:30.12 | herlo | beandog: no he's doing apache |
| 21:30.20 | herlo | at least he was on another setup |
| 21:30.38 | beandog | oh, k |
| 21:30.45 | beandog | well that's gonna make it simpler |
| 21:31.44 | beandog | Okay so if I install a new version of PHP |
| 21:31.47 | beandog | can I do a graceful restart |
| 21:32.36 | beandog | WHOOPS |
| 21:32.37 | beandog | guess not. |
| 21:32.41 | beandog | epifail. |
| 21:32.48 | beandog | unintentional outages ftw. |
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| 21:43.47 | beandog | I'm going to print this email from a client that says "thanks" |
| 21:43.52 | beandog | I can post it on my wall |
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| 22:16.43 | mindjuju | project rolled back as qa failed to detect ssl prob :( |
| 22:17.07 | mindjuju | at least the stress is off for the moment, but i've jsut tacked on several hours of work for weekend :( |
| 22:18.17 | mindjuju | so now that things are calm though, here is a question. i had a cellphone on a family plan and now, i'm not using that cell phone as i have one from work. Tiff already has a phone and there is only 1 person left, Corban. |
| 22:18.38 | mindjuju | i like the idea of not being a helicopter parent and letting him have his space to do stuff, so , i'm inclined to let him have mine |
| 22:18.41 | mindjuju | what yall think? |
| 22:19.21 | herlo | mindjuju: Shaun has one |
| 22:19.34 | herlo | but I pay $5/mo for it |
| 22:19.43 | mindjuju | so is there a plan that does internet via wifi, calls via cell? |
| 22:19.55 | mindjuju | what did you get shaun and what kind of access does it have? |
| 22:20.03 | herlo | it has only phone calls as far as he knows, no texting or data |
| 22:20.09 | herlo | technically, it has sms |
| 22:20.16 | herlo | he just doesn't think it does... |
| 22:20.29 | mindjuju | how do the schools react to it |
| 22:20.33 | mindjuju | does he leave at home? |
| 22:20.34 | herlo | he always wants our smart phones though |
| 22:20.46 | herlo | no, he takes it to school, but it has to be off and in his backpack |
| 22:20.50 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:20.51 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: what cell provider do you use? |
| 22:20.52 | mindjuju | makes sense |
| 22:20.54 | herlo | school has a no cellphone policy |
| 22:21.01 | mindjuju | utah_dave, we use verizon |
| 22:21.07 | herlo | meaning no cellphone use |
| 22:21.36 | Utah_Dave | Oh, it's harder with Verizon. I don't have a data plan with my android phone, but I bought it myself elsewhere and plugged in my sim card |
| 22:21.46 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:21.46 | Utah_Dave | So T-mobile couldn't force me to have a data plan |
| 22:21.59 | herlo | yep |
| 22:22.06 | Utah_Dave | Verizon makes that a lot more difficult. I think they force you to have a data plan, if I remember correctly |
| 22:22.13 | herlo | Utah_Dave: do you just use the wifi then? |
| 22:22.18 | Utah_Dave | yep |
| 22:22.27 | Utah_Dave | I have wifi pretty much everywhere I go |
| 22:22.41 | Utah_Dave | work, home, most of my friend's and family's houses, ,etc |
| 22:22.44 | mindjuju | so is it possible to buy a phone and take it to verizon to get on their system? |
| 22:22.52 | herlo | Utah_Dave: they can't force you to have a data plan if you don't have a phone that supports it, but I suspect they got rid of all of the dumb phones |
| 22:22.55 | Utah_Dave | the only time I miss having a data plan is when I'm in my car |
| 22:23.19 | herlo | Utah_Dave: you should get wifi in your car and hook it up to clear or something :) |
| 22:23.21 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, you can, but Verizon will know you have a smart phone and I think they force you to have a data plan. |
| 22:23.31 | herlo | Utah_Dave: how do they know? |
| 22:23.35 | Utah_Dave | Of course, you might want to talk to a Verizon rep about that |
| 22:24.21 | Utah_Dave | herlo: because they don't use sim cards. You have to call them up or go into a store and they connect your phone to their network |
| 22:24.35 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:24.49 | herlo | Utah_Dave: stupid cdma |
| 22:24.54 | Utah_Dave | herlo: yep |
| 22:25.19 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I'm trying to get my work to buy me one of those little wifi hotspot things, then I can do that pretty easily |
| 22:25.38 | mindjuju | mifi ? |
| 22:25.40 | herlo | yay |
| 22:25.50 | fungus | Utah_Dave, doesn't your phone do the Mobile hotspot thing? |
| 22:26.47 | fungus | mobile hotspot on your phone is a lot cheaper than a separate mifi |
| 22:26.52 | Utah_Dave | I would have to pay for a data plan to do the mobile hotspot |
| 22:26.58 | herlo | fungus: but then he'd have to have a data plan |
| 22:27.05 | herlo | if his company pays for the mifi, no cost |
| 22:27.20 | Utah_Dave | If work buys me a mifi, then no money out of my pocket |
| 22:31.42 | fungus | Utah_Dave, convince your employer to pay for your phone, that includes the hotspot |
| 22:32.25 | fungus | mobile hotspot on a phone is $20/mo. a mifi is about $60/mo |
| 22:32.38 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I've tried going down that route. The politics are incredibly stupid and they would force me to use a crappy blackberry that's locked into their stupid blackberry server. |
| 22:32.49 | fungus | eww |
| 22:33.07 | beandog | thats not cool |
| 22:33.09 | fungus | blackberrys are SO last decade |
| 22:33.09 | Utah_Dave | My boss has the blackberry with them. It has internet, but they block texting. |
| 22:33.53 | beandog | Would it be possible to run a dns server locally, so that we can pretend each desktop is its own domain |
| 22:34.06 | Utah_Dave | Unlimited texting is included in the plan, but they block texting because they're afraid of inappropriate texts being sent |
| 22:34.07 | fungus | beandog, of course |
| 22:34.18 | beandog | The devs want each of their desktops to have wildcard dns |
| 22:34.23 | beandog | fungus: would I have to run bind? |
| 22:34.36 | fungus | yes, or some other DNS server software |
| 22:34.38 | herlo | haha, wildcard dns per desktop |
| 22:34.45 | beandog | :) |
| 22:34.45 | herlo | fun idea |
| 22:34.51 | beandog | fungus: dnsmasq doesnt do it does it |
| 22:34.59 | herlo | beandog: seriously, bind would be simple with that |
| 22:35.07 | beandog | herlo: yah? |
| 22:35.17 | fungus | no clue, never done anything other than relaying w/ it |
| 22:35.21 | herlo | you could do it all in about 3 lines per host |
| 22:35.25 | beandog | herlo: hmm |
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| 22:35.28 | herlo | but I've never used dnsmasq |
| 22:35.34 | beandog | I'm not too interested in running yet another service |
| 22:35.39 | herlo | beandog: a lot of macros, though |
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| 22:35.46 | herlo | and changing the origin all the time... |
| 22:35.54 | mindjuju | ~apb influx |
| 22:35.54 | ibot | ACTION summons baby Lyssa to rough up influx |
| 22:36.39 | herlo | beandog: bind is simple enough |
| 22:36.39 | fungus | beandog, you can do wildcard dns w/o installing bind on every machine |
| 22:36.45 | herlo | but dnsmasq is also a service... |
| 22:36.53 | beandog | herlo: yah, already running dnsmasq |
| 22:36.57 | herlo | beandog: oh |
| 22:37.06 | beandog | fungus: hows that |
| 22:37.19 | fungus | just add wildcard entries on your internal dns server(s) |
| 22:37.32 | herlo | oh, that's simple too |
| 22:37.44 | beandog | whut |
| 22:37.46 | herlo | but he probably doesn't have rights? |
| 22:38.00 | beandog | thats what I was trying to figure out how to do |
| 22:38.10 | fungus | Do you run an internal DNS server? |
| 22:38.14 | beandog | dnsmasq |
| 22:38.24 | fungus | Does it host records, or just relaying? |
| 22:38.33 | beandog | Um |
| 22:38.33 | herlo | that's not a dns server though...it's just caching iirc |
| 22:38.35 | beandog | I'm not sure. |
| 22:38.42 | beandog | http://s2.diffuse.it/blog/show/7-dnsmasq_and_wildcard_records |
| 22:38.50 | herlo | dnsmasq - A lightweight DHCP and caching DNS server. |
| 22:38.51 | beandog | I guess it does |
| 22:39.01 | herlo | from the man page |
| 22:39.02 | fungus | Do you run a DNS server externally? |
| 22:39.08 | beandog | externally? |
| 22:39.12 | fungus | Do you care if your Dev records are public? |
| 22:39.15 | beandog | I'm running one on ipfire |
| 22:40.03 | beandog | huh |
| 22:40.05 | fungus | just add a record like "*.developername.domain.com A 10.10.10.24" |
| 22:40.20 | beandog | ok |
| 22:40.49 | fungus | Simple and they can use any name in their subdomain to point to their own machine. |
| 22:53.38 | beandog | sweet I got it |
| 22:53.40 | beandog | thanks guys |
| 22:53.40 | beandog | :D |
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