| 00:46.44 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 00:46.45 | raifbot | Chuck Norris played who will blink first, with a mirror. And he won |
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| 06:18.56 | mgeary | do-release-upgrade is giving me errors. not sure how to troubleshoot |
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| 15:03.33 | kferran | Hello everyone |
| 15:06.06 | mindjuju | hello |
| 15:06.24 | mindjuju | people are just starting to get to work, so mornings are slow |
| 15:06.47 | kferran | thats cool, I just joined the uphpu group and wanted see what was going on |
| 15:07.03 | mgeary | kferran: how long have you been in the potato business? |
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| 15:07.49 | kferran | currently am a .net dev for work but do php stuff on the side and would love to switch over full time |
| 15:09.01 | Utah_Dave | kferran: Welcome! |
| 15:09.42 | kferran | Utah_Dave: thanks! |
| 15:10.22 | kferran | anyone doing anything with fuelphp? |
| 15:11.59 | Utah_Dave | I've looked at it in the past, but haven't actually implemented anything with fuelphp |
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| 15:13.39 | kferran | I have been reading about fuelphp lately, it looks pretty interesting |
| 15:15.58 | kferran | what does everyone typically talk about here? |
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| 15:18.46 | mindjuju | it depends on what day it is, as to what the topic is |
| 15:18.55 | mindjuju | we NEVER talk php on tuesdays, for example |
| 15:19.31 | kferran | oh cool |
| 15:19.33 | kferran | haha |
| 15:20.22 | josephscott | $8ball is it really Tuesday? |
| 15:20.23 | raifbot | josephscott - Ask again later. |
| 15:20.48 | mindjuju | so kferran, we mainly talk about things technical |
| 15:21.02 | mindjuju | db, firewalls, os, php, security, etc |
| 15:21.09 | kferran | sweet |
| 15:21.20 | mindjuju | beandog usually talks about unicorns |
| 15:21.45 | mindjuju | i try to lure people to clicking on youtube links of jessica black |
| 15:23.02 | kferran | nice |
| 15:23.20 | mindjuju | as a matter of fact, there appears to be a new vid for jessica black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxWD85Ngz4 |
| 15:24.16 | SunSparc | ~trap mindjuju |
| 15:24.16 | ibot | ACTION traps mindjuju around the bend! |
| 15:24.32 | mindjuju | hey, i didn't even try to obfuscate that |
| 15:24.42 | SunSparc | lol |
| 15:24.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:24.49 | SunSparc | True, my bad. |
| 15:24.53 | SunSparc | :D |
| 15:24.57 | mindjuju | did you click the link? |
| 15:25.02 | SunSparc | Heck no. |
| 15:25.30 | SunSparc | What will I regret more? Clicking or not clicking? |
| 15:25.36 | kferran | Clicking |
| 15:25.39 | kferran | hehe |
| 15:25.44 | SunSparc | :D |
| 15:25.44 | mindjuju | i'm enjoying it as we speak |
| 15:25.50 | mindjuju | not |
| 15:25.56 | mindjuju | but i am listening to it |
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| 15:26.29 | mindjuju | aside from cheesy lyrics, i'm having a hard time separating it from everybody else pop these days |
| 15:27.23 | mindjuju | hey xtrementl, did you see this latest security vuln? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxWD85Ngz4 |
| 15:27.50 | romanovic | #uphpu has re-trained mindjuju well |
| 15:28.05 | romanovic | it was just a couple years ago he had to follow up every link with "100% no rick roll guarantee" |
| 15:28.18 | SunSparc | xtrementl: It's a trap! |
| 15:28.23 | xtrementl | lol |
| 15:28.32 | mindjuju | gotcha huh xtrementl |
| 15:28.49 | xtrementl | it's possible |
| 15:28.52 | SunSparc | romanovic: I remember those days. |
| 15:29.33 | mindjuju | i still think my finest hour was disguising jessica black vid for lady gaga and getting fungus |
| 15:29.43 | mindjuju | i don't think he clickcs my links any more |
| 15:29.54 | xtrementl | ^ i don't even know who that is |
| 15:30.32 | xtrementl | lol.. it's mindjuju's version of rickroll |
| 15:30.51 | mindjuju | are you going thursday xtrementl? |
| 15:31.17 | mindjuju | i don't have work on friday so i'm like 95% sure i can go |
| 15:31.27 | xtrementl | i haven't been in a while |
| 15:31.29 | xtrementl | what's the topic? |
| 15:31.40 | mindjuju | topic is carmony php profiling |
| 15:32.25 | josephscott | $8ball does anyone trust mindjuju links any more? |
| 15:32.26 | raifbot | josephscott - Very doubtful. |
| 15:32.33 | mindjuju | ah dag |
| 15:32.45 | bhosie | i've been hovering in here for months and i keep telling myself i'm going to come to a meeting and meet you guys/gals |
| 15:33.14 | mindjuju | this thursday seems like a fine fine day for attending a uphpu meet |
| 15:33.56 | bhosie | and a very good topic. and as of next week, i'll be working a lot closer to bluffdale :) |
| 15:35.26 | bhosie | although that doesn't help this thursday.... |
| 15:35.34 | josephscott | mindjuju: when are you coming back out to UPHPU? |
| 15:35.41 | josephscott | we miss you |
| 15:35.59 | mindjuju | i think i can be out this thursday |
| 15:36.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:36.09 | mindjuju | you going? |
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| 15:45.54 | josephscott | I'm still a maybe, my sister is out visiting this week |
| 15:53.54 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you should be there Thursday!! You too, josephscott. It's a work related meeting! |
| 15:58.51 | macnewbold | thursday's going to be an awesome meeting |
| 15:59.05 | macnewbold | carmony rocks |
| 15:59.35 | mindjuju | $8ball does carmony rock the casbah ? |
| 15:59.35 | raifbot | mindjuju - Very doubtful. |
| 15:59.43 | mindjuju | ah dag! |
| 15:59.46 | carmony | hrm? |
| 16:00.41 | mindjuju | @carmony -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4HPdWYwgyw |
| 16:01.06 | mindjuju | now no more distracting me, price out a server hardware upgrade |
| 16:01.42 | carmony | lol, what the heck? |
| 16:01.58 | mindjuju | don't tell me you've never heard this 80s gem |
| 16:02.27 | carmony | not for a very long time |
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| 16:07.28 | mindjuju | hey supernovia, did you see the previews for photoshop cs6? way cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxWD85Ngz4 |
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| 16:07.53 | mindjuju | sheri here too? |
| 16:08.02 | sheri | oh hai |
| 16:08.09 | mindjuju | did you see the previews for photoshop cs6? way cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxWD85Ngz4 |
| 16:08.56 | supernovia | Oh really? |
| 16:09.01 | sheri | :) |
| 16:09.02 | sheri | nice |
| 16:09.09 | supernovia | lol |
| 16:09.15 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:10.32 | mgeary | looks like maybe she finally decided which seat |
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| 16:10.54 | supernovia | Poor girl doesn't look quite as happy and sincere in this one ... |
| 16:11.01 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:11.10 | mindjuju | she's taken quite the beating in the media |
| 16:13.44 | mindjuju | i've heard good things |
| 16:13.50 | mindjuju | but that you have to see hp7.1 first |
| 16:23.13 | fungus | If you've seen and like the previous HP movies. HP7.2 is a total must, really cool, closes up the story well. |
| 16:23.48 | fungus | It doesn't stand well as a movie on it's own though, and any n00bs will likely be disappointed. |
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| 16:33.16 | skinner | http://grooveshark.com/#/s/The+Imperial+March/2DKTOP?src=5 |
| 16:36.10 | unum | in future I think we'll schedule inducement |
| 16:36.15 | unum | induction? |
| 16:36.22 | unum | I'm not sure which one is right |
| 16:37.45 | macnewbold | who could possibly be a Potter n00b at this point? really? |
| 16:38.08 | macnewbold | unum: induction I think... |
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| 16:41.29 | josephscott | $8ball will I like HP7.2? |
| 16:41.30 | raifbot | josephscott - Cannot predict now. |
| 16:41.40 | josephscott | $8ball is that because I haven't seen it yet? |
| 16:41.40 | raifbot | josephscott - It is decidedly so. |
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| 17:24.27 | mindjuju | dumb people cause even dumber laws to be created ...sigh... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20080631-38/philly-to-fine-pedestrians-for-texting-while-walking/ |
| 17:26.52 | ninnypants | mindjuju: ping |
| 17:37.27 | mahelious | if someone gets hit by a car because they weren't paying attention to the roads, thats just natural selection at work, right? |
| 17:37.48 | mahelious | just a vicious cycle of stupid at work here. |
| 17:43.43 | beandog | I dont wanna be the one who hits someone |
| 17:43.56 | beandog | That's the thing I hate about jaywalkers -- they put me at risk |
| 17:44.24 | supernovia | yeah, that would super suck to hit someone :( |
| 17:46.13 | eggyknap | some lady just got convinced of vehicular manslaughter after getting her kids off the bus and jaywalking with them. They followed a bunch of other bus passengers across teh street, her 4 yr old ran off, and got hit and killed by a drunk driver. |
| 17:46.35 | beandog | wait, whut? |
| 17:46.38 | eggyknap | Thing is, no one on the jury had ever ridden the bus before. |
| 17:46.48 | beandog | so who got convicted? |
| 17:47.01 | beandog | jaywalking + straying while jaywalking + drunk driving = whut? |
| 17:47.08 | eggyknap | http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/outrage-of-the-week-mom-convicted-in-death-of-her-son-who-ran-across-the-street/ |
| 17:47.28 | eggyknap | the driver got convicted of hit and run; the mother of vehicular manslaughter. |
| 17:47.38 | supernovia | ouch. |
| 17:48.34 | ninnypants | eggyknap: the kid didn't even run off the mother was hit too |
| 17:48.44 | ninnypants | but yeah it's crazy |
| 17:50.38 | supernovia | updated to homicide even. |
| 17:52.59 | cro | Lenore Skenazy FTW. Love reading her stuff. |
| 17:57.36 | beandog | le sigh |
| 17:57.57 | beandog | This one server has a disproportionate amount of issues. |
| 17:59.21 | mindjuju | mahelious - impossible to create enough laws to make world safe for dumb people |
| 17:59.41 | ninnypants | they just get dumber |
| 18:09.18 | romanovic | anyone know how to embed jwplayer over ssl without mixing http content? |
| 18:09.24 | beandog | carmony: I love your blog post |
| 18:09.30 | beandog | keep writing, man |
| 18:09.39 | carmony | beandog: lol, thanks :P |
| 18:11.32 | beandog | My question is, how do you profile your performance for mysql/php/apache |
| 18:12.42 | beandog | oh, lookie there. derp. |
| 18:12.56 | beandog | wheres the mtg at? |
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| 18:13.06 | mindjuju | herp derp |
| 18:13.15 | beandog | :) |
| 18:13.24 | mindjuju | meeting at c7 |
| 18:13.28 | beandog | whats that |
| 18:13.37 | mindjuju | that's where the meetings were at before they went to BGM |
| 18:13.43 | mindjuju | sorry, was a bit slow to type all that |
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| 18:18.17 | ninnypants | mindjuju: do you still want that server? |
| 18:18.18 | beandog | How long have the meetings been there? |
| 18:20.24 | supernovia | couple months, right? |
| 18:20.55 | ninnypants | two months I think |
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| 18:24.15 | beandog | man, I am having a bunch of random people adding me to google plus |
| 18:24.26 | herlo | beandog: munin FTW! |
| 18:24.52 | beandog | I tried munin before and it *would* *not* *work* |
| 18:24.54 | beandog | :C |
| 18:24.55 | beandog | sadly. |
| 18:25.37 | herlo | beandog: really? It's awesome and easy to setup |
| 18:25.55 | beandog | herlo: yah, I don't remember what the problem was. Some perl errors, I think. |
| 18:26.12 | herlo | hmm, on Ubuntu? Or Gentoo, or what? |
| 18:26.16 | beandog | Gentoo |
| 18:28.04 | herlo | beandog: try another distro, I don't mean to dig on Gentoo, but maybe doing it in Fedora or Ubuntu will get you 90% of the way... |
| 18:28.31 | beandog | herlo: yah, I tried it on a CentOS vm and it worked out of the box |
| 18:28.46 | beandog | this client I need it most on is running a Gentoo box |
| 18:38.16 | herlo | coolness |
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| 19:18.34 | mgeary | what's the best way to check swap usage? just top? |
| 19:18.58 | mgeary | i guess that doesn't show reads & writes... |
| 19:19.26 | fungus | mgeary, vmstat |
| 19:19.57 | mgeary | thanks |
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| 19:33.52 | mindjuju | so beandog |
| 19:33.55 | mindjuju | i'm curious |
| 19:34.24 | mindjuju | i had munin running on a webserver that was giving me troubles, but i installed monit afterward to restart the services that were causing problems |
| 19:34.26 | mindjuju | have you done this? |
| 19:34.45 | mindjuju | you can tell monit, restart httpd if cpu > 80% |
| 19:34.51 | mindjuju | i'll get you the exact string here in a sec |
| 19:35.10 | mindjuju | but did you know about this feature? |
| 19:36.56 | mindjuju | here is the code |
| 19:36.57 | mindjuju | http://pastebin.com/0t9iiRTU |
| 19:37.08 | mindjuju | put it here |
| 19:37.17 | mindjuju | /etc/monit.d/monitrc |
| 19:37.27 | mindjuju | now, that one is for like if httpd stops responding |
| 19:37.43 | mindjuju | but if you go to the examples in monit docs, it'll tell you how to check the daemon for cpu usage |
| 19:37.52 | mindjuju | i didn't have that problem, so didn't enable that in the monit script |
| 19:52.11 | iammerri_ | Anyone install 5.4 yet? |
| 19:52.11 | beandog | mindjuju: monit, for some reason, isn't registering cpu usage for individual applications. Just system |
| 19:52.36 | beandog | mindjuju: and yah, having it restart services is a good idea, but in the case where the server is overloaded and not responding, that's not gonna help. :T |
| 19:52.44 | beandog | mindjuju: so its like, monit is good, if the system is responsive. |
| 19:52.54 | beandog | mindjuju: but if the system has gone to lunch, it's not gonna help |
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| 19:53.32 | Jacob_Kerr | <---- In Love With PDO! :) |
| 19:54.38 | Jacob_Kerr | U guys use PDO? It's pretty new right. |
| 19:55.17 | Jacob_Kerr | PDO::FETCH_CLASS == awsome!! |
| 19:56.28 | mindjuju | @beandog, except that , well, let's pretend it is httpd that has the prob |
| 19:56.30 | iammerri_ | PDO has been around for a while. |
| 19:56.46 | mindjuju | you could try to have monitor restart htttpd when httpd = 60% cpu |
| 19:56.52 | iammerri_ | started shipping with 5.1 |
| 19:57.02 | iammerri_ | supported as an extension in 5.0 |
| 19:57.03 | mindjuju | just some suggestions |
| 19:57.09 | beandog | mindjuju: right. I just gotta get it to monitor cpu usage |
| 19:57.11 | beandog | which, it doesn't |
| 19:57.14 | Jacob_Kerr | Oh. |
| 19:57.25 | Jacob_Kerr | Wish I knew about it before.. LOL it's awsome for OOP |
| 19:57.28 | Jacob_Kerr | in php |
| 19:58.18 | mindjuju | @beandog, sorry bro, wouldn't have the first clue as to why not, but i did just read on /proc yesterday, sounds like that has some vital stats in there? |
| 19:58.25 | mindjuju | maybe you could make something homebrewed? |
| 19:58.42 | beandog | mindjuju: yah dunno, its gotta be either a bug or a misconfiguration I have somewhere. |
| 19:58.54 | beandog | Ill figure it out |
| 20:00.52 | Jacob_Kerr | Will PDO clean a query preventing SQL injection? |
| 20:13.07 | Jacob_Kerr | Does anyone know if PDO will escape a string for u and to prevent SQL injection or do I need to use PDOobject->quote($var) on all user data being passed?? |
| 20:13.48 | Jacob_Kerr | Or always run all user data through a cleaning method? |
| 20:14.53 | Jacob_Kerr | *Prepared Statements. |
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| 20:28.26 | Jacob_Kerr | Found the answer: "The parameters to prepared statements don't need to be quoted; the driver automatically handles this. If an application exclusively uses prepared statements, the developer can be sure that no SQL injection will occur (however, if other portions of the query are being built up with unescaped input, SQL injection is still possible)." |
| 20:28.33 | Jacob_Kerr | sry that was long. :( |
| 20:31.02 | josephscott | prepared queries are interesting, depending on usage they can increase performance or make it worse |
| 20:34.36 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 20:34.36 | ibot | --purges mindjuju |
| 20:34.47 | mindjuju | sup DtD |
| 20:36.36 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: just drive by larting |
| 20:36.41 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:36.46 | josephscott | it isn't obvious that using prepared queries can double the number of DB requests from your app |
| 20:37.56 | beandog | mindjuju: I just barely saw your email |
| 20:38.08 | mindjuju | sokay |
| 20:38.12 | beandog | and everyone elses |
| 20:39.17 | mindjuju | what the heck is a rango and why is it 12.99?? |
| 20:42.52 | beandog | mindjuju: the movie? |
| 20:43.03 | mindjuju | i guess |
| 20:43.10 | mindjuju | seems to have johnny depp |
| 20:43.32 | beandog | that movie was just plain bad. |
| 20:43.37 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:43.51 | mindjuju | i usually like his movies, must not have been with Tim burton |
| 20:44.05 | beandog | I wanted to leave |
| 20:44.08 | beandog | I don't like Westerns |
| 20:45.22 | mindjuju | what do you think about that cowboys v aliens? |
| 20:46.16 | beandog | meh |
| 20:46.20 | beandog | could be good |
| 20:48.31 | skinner | It was all fun and games until Predator showed up and killed teh alienz. Luckily, the aliens didn't know how to get out of a lasso, so the cowboys won in the last quarter by punting the ball into the end-zone, also their quarter back is Harrison Ford. Daniel Craig plays an awesome wide reciever and their head cheerleader Olivia Wilde isn't too bad to look at... |
| 20:48.46 | skinner | O.o |
| 20:49.09 | mindjuju | serious? |
| 20:49.12 | beandog | that sounds about right. |
| 20:49.48 | mindjuju | i should go and be a hollywood writer |
| 20:50.44 | skinner | Me too, but people would walk out halfway through my teaser trailers.... |
| 20:51.24 | beandog | we just need a remake of FLOOD! |
| 20:52.09 | beandog | whats that |
| 20:52.13 | beandog | do I dare ask |
| 20:52.25 | mindjuju | i thought that was the movie with christopher plumber |
| 20:52.25 | josephscott | um, not sure what to say http://devour.com/video/mini-motorcycle-tooth-pulling/ |
| 20:52.31 | mindjuju | where he plays darth vader kinda |
| 20:53.23 | beandog | mindjuju: oh man |
| 20:53.24 | beandog | thats uh |
| 20:53.26 | beandog | star crash |
| 20:53.31 | mindjuju | ah,t hat's it |
| 20:53.46 | beandog | the one with the fake lightsabers |
| 20:53.54 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfuNSpP0RA |
| 20:54.49 | mindjuju | oh, i guess christopher plumber is like obi won |
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| 20:57.38 | mindjuju | now this was a movie - flash gordon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrJQbBFez8 |
| 21:00.00 | skinner | beandog: We could make FLOOD! like the movie Primer to involve time travel. The plot can be centered around a boy going through the events. In his adult years he should be played by Christopher Walken. Directed by Tim Burton. There should be aliens in it too....and references to "The Force" which could be portrayed by an actor....uh....Warwick Davis....yes...perfect.... |
| 21:00.33 | mindjuju | music by danny elfman of course |
| 21:00.37 | skinner | of course |
| 21:01.46 | mindjuju | my fav part of flash gordon -- the wedding vows! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf9CLhiThsw |
| 21:03.33 | Jacob_Kerr | <3 PHP Objects, Patterns and Practice 3rd Edition. Really good book! |
| 21:04.12 | beandog | skinner: lol, thats awesome |
| 21:04.17 | mahelious | if only you could somehow merge Time Bandits with Buckaroo Banzai... |
| 21:05.27 | skinner | Time Banzai? |
| 21:05.28 | skinner | or |
| 21:05.34 | skinner | Buckaroo Bandits |
| 21:05.36 | skinner | lol |
| 21:06.08 | mindjuju | Big Trouble in Buckaroo's Bandits? |
| 21:06.29 | mindjuju | come on now, we can't forget Big Trouble in Little China |
| 21:07.12 | mahelious | kurt russell AND peter weller? |
| 21:07.22 | mahelious | my mind ... is blown. too much star power. |
| 21:07.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:09.02 | skinner | ....holding a chainsaw? |
| 21:09.26 | mindjuju | sounds like an oscar quality movie |
| 21:14.08 | skinner | It could have a controversial ending |
| 21:14.21 | mindjuju | directed by oliver stone? |
| 21:14.33 | skinner | then after it's released, we take the majority of the populations desires for how it should have ended |
| 21:14.53 | skinner | and release a "choose your own adventure" portion on the DVD so they can see how their ending turns out |
| 21:14.55 | skinner | lol |
| 21:15.23 | mindjuju | sounds like Murder by Death |
| 21:15.31 | skinner | lol |
| 21:15.35 | mindjuju | that one had a few different endings released to theaters |
| 21:15.46 | mindjuju | i'm not sure how they did DVD, i bought the VHS, that's good enough for me |
| 21:17.21 | skinner | There should be "Choose your own adventure" in the movies. Theaters could install a easy voting system. At certain points in the film, the characters face a dilemma and the audience make the choice by voting on some device. |
| 21:17.29 | skinner | Imagine writing a movie to fit that scenario |
| 21:17.49 | skinner | you'd have to guarantee that each decision tree lasts around 2 hours |
| 21:17.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:18.01 | skinner | but each time you saw the movie it could be different |
| 21:18.24 | skinner | </daydream> |
| 21:22.48 | Jacob_Kerr | I'm learning some cool new OOP stuff for the latest PHP version and would like to use all of it in my next app. Is this a bad idea? This will create alot of compatibility issues? What do you think about an app forcing the most recent version of PHP? |
| 21:23.28 | mahelious | i remember cya books. there were usually 2-3 threads that actually told a complete story, and 20~ of the theme "rocks fall, everyone dies" |
| 21:23.45 | Jacob_Kerr | As an employer would you want to hire someone who codes using the most current PHP functionality? |
| 21:24.35 | mahelious | sure, why not. |
| 21:24.55 | mahelious | if they can learn the most recent stuff, they can read the docs to know what won't work in previous versions |
| 21:24.56 | Jacob_Kerr | K so forcing the most recent version of PHP is not usually a big issue? |
| 21:27.49 | Utah_Dave | Jacob_Kerr: I don't think forcing the version of PHP is much of a problem if you control the servers. |
| 21:28.47 | Utah_Dave | If you're trying to build an open source application or sell an application that would be installed on any number of random servers, then you might want to be sure to allow older versions of php, etc |
| 21:28.52 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah that's true. But what if I am working for a company that develops products for distribution. |
| 21:30.00 | Jacob_Kerr | Guess it all depends huh. I am currently interviewing mostly at development firms that host almost everyting I will be doing so it should not be an issue I guess. |
| 21:30.14 | Utah_Dave | Again, it depends on your customers. |
| 21:32.27 | mahelious | as i understand it, php no longer supports anything older than 5.3.0 |
| 21:32.59 | mahelious | developing for a version below that is like developing a desktop app for windows 2000. special niche case. |
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| 21:48.33 | unum | we have redhat 4 servers..... |
| 21:48.40 | unum | they do not have php 5.3.0 |
| 21:48.57 | unum | 4.3.9 |
| 21:50.52 | herlo | unum: you can get better than that, I'm sure |
| 21:51.19 | unum | herlo: I upgraded one of them |
| 21:51.44 | herlo | unum: http://www.jasonlitka.com/media/EL4/ |
| 21:51.45 | unum | but on the other I'm just going to wait until the it manager is ready to install centos 6 |
| 21:51.47 | herlo | use that as a yum repo |
| 21:52.05 | mgeary | if i've got a httpd process taking 94% of RAM, is there a way i can find out what URL request was associated with it? |
| 21:52.06 | herlo | it only requires that you install yum on EL4 |
| 21:52.20 | Jacob_Kerr | The new PHP 5 stuff is awsome. |
| 21:52.46 | herlo | unum: I've used his EL5 repos a few times, they are very nice |
| 21:53.25 | unum | I think that's the repo I used for the other EL4 box we have |
| 21:53.39 | unum | but there's no reason for us to not update to centos6 right now |
| 21:53.44 | unum | so I'm pushing for that instead |
| 21:53.51 | herlo | unum: no argument there |
| 21:54.05 | herlo | just wanted to make sure you had all your options available to you :) |
| 21:55.36 | unum | thanks :) |
| 21:56.18 | unum | I really should run some updates on some servers I manage |
| 21:56.28 | herlo | :) indeed. |
| 21:56.28 | unum | but today is not a good day for that |
| 21:56.37 | herlo | :( |
| 21:56.58 | unum | I'm expecting an emergency.... |
| 21:57.08 | unum | and then I'm going to take a week or so off |
| 22:01.06 | mgeary | fungus: ^^ |
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| 22:07.39 | fungus | mgeary, if you have the server status module enabled go to http://hostname/server-status |
| 22:07.51 | fungus | you probably need ExtendedStatus On as well |
| 22:08.14 | mgeary | don't have that enabled. any reason not to? |
| 22:08.51 | Jacob_Kerr | Listening to: Mitternacht by E Nomine. |
| 22:15.33 | mgeary | well, hey, a new release of BBEdit! |
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| 23:07.19 | mgeary | anyone here know how to unsubscribe yourself from a shared folder in DropBox? |
| 23:09.05 | mindjuju | @mgeary - http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=39581 |
| 23:09.07 | mindjuju | that might help |
| 23:09.26 | mindjuju | all shares are mine so i can't really test for you |
| 23:09.42 | mgeary | aha |
| 23:09.44 | mgeary | yep. that did it |
| 23:09.46 | mgeary | awesome |
| 23:09.46 | mgeary | thanks |
| 23:09.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:11.03 | mgeary | how does it fail? |
| 23:14.32 | unum | and what do you mean by remotely |
| 23:18.00 | unum | guess he's busy figuring it out |
| 23:30.51 | mindjuju | sorry, stepped away |
| 23:31.03 | mindjuju | so the script logs an error when called via remote |
| 23:31.12 | mindjuju | remotely means that there are 2 servers each behind firewalls |
| 23:31.40 | mindjuju | when the script is called local, it is being called by the server the script is housed on, when it is being called remote, it's being curl'd from the remote server |
| 23:34.12 | josephscott | if you could buy any android phone today, which one would you get and why? |
| 23:34.34 | mindjuju | hmm, i don't know about other phones, but i like my droid 2 |
| 23:34.41 | mindjuju | i've gotten used to the keyboard / love it |
| 23:34.47 | josephscott | how is the battery life on it? |
| 23:35.20 | mindjuju | 3 or 4 days if i'm not running all the extra stuff |
| 23:35.28 | mindjuju | wifi, gps, etc |
| 23:35.59 | josephscott | I'm considering a switch to an android phone, but getting really bummed out about when I read about battery life |
| 23:36.46 | josephscott | the only thing I turn off on my iPhone 3GS is bluetooth (because I don't use it), and it seems to do better than even the best android phones (based on my reading so far) |
| 23:37.10 | mindjuju | i've heard the same |
| 23:37.33 | herlo | josephscott: I have the Galaxy S and it lasts a good 3-4 days on one charge, assuming I don't talk constantly. Though I usually charge it each evening out of habit |
| 23:37.57 | herlo | I will use maps, send sms and mms messages, etc. without killing the battery too much. |
| 23:38.00 | josephscott | herlo: this one - http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/ ? |
| 23:38.14 | josephscott | which carrier? |
| 23:38.27 | herlo | josephscott: not the 2 |
| 23:38.53 | herlo | josephscott: t-mobile, but I'm going to be changing to Sprint as soon as my contract runs out (about 1.9 years still) |
| 23:39.03 | herlo | they call it the Vibrant on t-mobile |
| 23:40.09 | herlo | stupid samsung site |
| 23:41.04 | herlo | josephscott: this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S |
| 23:41.25 | herlo | but I guess the II would be better, though I don't know much about it. |
| 23:42.07 | josephscott | thanks for the feedback |
| 23:42.15 | herlo | nw |
| 23:42.22 | herlo | good luck finding one, I love my Android |
| 23:42.28 | josephscott | still not sure, will have to give this more thought |
| 23:42.35 | josephscott | gotta run, dinner is on |
| 23:42.39 | herlo | ciao! |
| 23:42.44 | mindjuju | ah dinner |
| 23:42.44 | josephscott | then off to HP7.2 later tonight :-) |
| 23:42.45 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 23:43.01 | mindjuju | punk |
| 23:43.03 | herlo | lol |
| 23:43.06 | mindjuju | where you at? |
| 23:43.09 | herlo | mindjuju: Chicago |
| 23:43.18 | mindjuju | oh yeah, you said that last week |
| 23:43.23 | herlo | there's one downtown that I go to every time I come here. |
| 23:43.31 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 23:43.39 | mindjuju | i'm a bachelor until Thursday |
| 23:43.50 | mindjuju | sent Tiffany and Corban off to a staycation at my FiL |
| 23:44.03 | mindjuju | he's got a big house with an awesome front / backyard |
| 23:44.12 | herlo | nice |
| 23:44.26 | herlo | mindjuju: so what you doing? Working all nighters or something? |
| 23:44.28 | mindjuju | we're saving up for disneyworld next year, so ... |
| 23:44.42 | mindjuju | just trying to get some big projects launched before start of season |
| 23:44.48 | herlo | yeah, that's a good plan. I do enjoy Orlando in the spring or fall. |
| 23:45.05 | herlo | mindjuju: you know, you could go in November, I bet it will still be nice and nobody will be there! |
| 23:45.09 | herlo | go for Thanksgiving :) |
| 23:46.21 | mindjuju | if we did turkey day, it'd have to be next turkey day, cause we want to pay cash for the vacation |
| 23:46.34 | mindjuju | plus, Jedi Training Academy is only in May / June |
| 23:47.58 | beandog | wait whut? |
| 23:48.03 | beandog | what is this Jedi stuff? |
| 23:48.23 | beandog | herlo: I'm wrestling with munin ... the default install locations are whacked, imho. |
| 23:48.30 | beandog | plus gentoo is one version behind. :C |
| 23:48.37 | mindjuju | In the months of May and June, Disneyworld has something called Jedi Training Academy and tons of Star Wars related events |
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| 23:48.57 | mindjuju | like the parade that goes down Disney Main street, it is lead by a detachment from the 501st |
| 23:49.20 | herlo | beandog: okay |
| 23:49.21 | carmony | mindjuju: have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5mK7dzyUkM |
| 23:49.23 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/hollywood-studios/entertainment/star-wars-jedi-training-academy/ |
| 23:49.36 | beandog | mindjuju: no way |
| 23:49.45 | mindjuju | that's awesome carmony! i've seen that very awesome |
| 23:49.48 | beandog | DisneyWorld ftw |
| 23:50.10 | mindjuju | to a smaller extend, Disneyland does smaller stuff, i don't know how much smaller |
| 23:50.37 | carmony | I want this 3d printer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHnMj6dxj4 |
| 23:52.17 | beandog | herlo: ugh, I could *fix* this, but man ... I'm really not sure if its worth the headache. |
| 23:52.31 | mindjuju | what broke? |
| 23:52.53 | herlo | beandog: are you still on Gentoo? |
| 23:53.02 | beandog | herlo: yah |
| 23:53.04 | mindjuju | oh munin |
| 23:53.05 | herlo | beandog: stop it |
| 23:53.10 | beandog | hilarious. |
| 23:53.22 | beandog | I'll just toss 10 years of experience out the window |
| 23:53.26 | herlo | use a distro where munin isn't packaged wrong |
| 23:53.39 | mindjuju | could he use "make" |
| 23:53.47 | beandog | okay |
| 23:53.49 | beandog | lemme think |
| 23:53.50 | mindjuju | what ever that process is called? |
| 23:53.59 | herlo | beandog: I'm not suggesting you can't do it on gentoo, I'm suggesting that putting munin on another box to test it out is the right approach |
| 23:54.07 | beandog | herlo: its just a pita to fix, is all. Even with the Makefile patched, its still looking for defaults in all the /opt dirs |
| 23:54.25 | mindjuju | eoh you tried the make way |
| 23:54.26 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 23:54.27 | herlo | beandog: yeah, I wouldn't fix it until you have a good reason to use it |
| 23:54.31 | beandog | mindjuju: yah I did |
| 23:54.35 | beandog | herlo: hmm, okay |
| 23:54.38 | herlo | make sure it's what you want first :) |
| 23:54.42 | beandog | I was kinda thinking the same thing |
| 23:54.45 | beandog | set one up, see if I like it |
| 23:54.51 | beandog | sorry for being cranky |
| 23:54.57 | herlo | do it on centos / fedora / ubuntu :) |
| 23:55.02 | herlo | beandog: no worries, we all get cranky |
| 23:55.20 | mindjuju | seems like i read somewhere munin call pull stats from remote |
| 23:55.28 | beandog | mindjuju: yah it can |
| 23:55.29 | mindjuju | ie get stats from a server that isn't localhost |
| 23:55.39 | mindjuju | couldn't you do that for the gentoo server? |
| 23:55.46 | mindjuju | have munin run somewhere else? |
| 23:55.47 | beandog | mindjuju: and to answer your question, I did a barebones source install from upstream, got it all setup, and it still wasn't working |
| 23:56.23 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a package of zingers, some milk and his skateboard |
| 23:56.24 | ibot | ACTION gives a package of zingers, some milk and his skateboard to beandog |
| 23:56.40 | mindjuju | reapproach in 15 minutes |
| 23:56.45 | mindjuju | see if things look different |
| 23:56.58 | beandog | mindjuju: good idea ... I think I need a break |