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| 15:02.11 | carmony | goood morning |
| 15:02.44 | Utah_Dave | Morning! |
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| 15:23.26 | mgeary | morning, folks |
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| 15:54.29 | mgeary | Fallout 1 & Fallout 2 available for just a couple of dollars at GOG.com, get 'em if you don't have 'em! |
| 16:04.30 | mgeary | yes, there is that |
| 16:08.52 | influx | Maybe I'll just buy it and not play it until I'm a billionaire. |
| 16:11.01 | influx | No Mac version. *shrug* |
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| 16:13.14 | mgeary | no |
| 16:13.20 | mgeary | but you can run them in an emulator fairly well |
| 16:13.29 | mgeary | i played all of Fallout:Tactics in Crossover Games |
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| 16:18.22 | Intenselypoetic | sup poeticintensity |
| 16:18.37 | PoeticIntensity | Hahaha.... Good morning to you, too, Intenselypoetic |
| 16:18.45 | carmony_ | lol |
| 16:18.58 | PoeticIntensity | I wrote another song. Wanna hear it? |
| 16:19.04 | Intenselypoetic | yeah! |
| 16:19.33 | PoeticIntensity | advancedbudgetstudios.com/clients/PoeticIntensity/Live_Your_Dreams_Final1.mp3 |
| 16:19.51 | PoeticIntensity | If ya listen, it'd be much appreciated if ya let me know what ya think of it. |
| 16:22.38 | Intenselypoetic | pi, who does the guitar work in this? it's good |
| 16:22.53 | PoeticIntensity | Me. |
| 16:22.57 | Intenselypoetic | nice! |
| 16:23.09 | PoeticIntensity | except for the solo. :) I can't solo just yet... |
| 16:24.08 | mindjuju | that was great! |
| 16:24.26 | mindjuju | what are you going to do when you go in concert though if you're doing all the parts? |
| 16:24.56 | PoeticIntensity | Hire a band. :) |
| 16:25.07 | PoeticIntensity | (and thank you, mindjuju!) |
| 16:25.54 | PoeticIntensity | Probably not gonna perform any of this, though... |
| 16:26.10 | PoeticIntensity | Right now, I'm just writing music to hone my musicianship / engineering abilities. |
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| 16:34.13 | redroy | nice pi, I consider myself somewhat of a musician as well⦠that's how I got started in web development⦠I was going to build a website and get rich. Didn't pan out that way, but I found a career I love :) |
| 16:34.46 | PoeticIntensity | Right on, redroy! |
| 16:35.04 | PoeticIntensity | What do you play? |
| 16:35.51 | redroy | I love to play with anything I can get my hands on⦠but mostly guitar and piano |
| 16:36.04 | redroy | just self taught, so nothing special |
| 16:36.50 | PoeticIntensity | I know lots of people who are "self taught" who can rip it up... and I've never had a drum lesson. |
| 16:36.54 | PoeticIntensity | or a vocal lesson. |
| 16:36.57 | PoeticIntensity | or a guitar lesson. |
| 16:36.58 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:38.05 | PoeticIntensity | I don't buy the "nothing special" bit. Proof is in the puddin', my friend. |
| 16:39.48 | DexterTheDragon | mmmmmmm pudding |
| 16:41.50 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCa_rKIGiEk |
| 16:44.13 | redroy | haha |
| 16:45.01 | mindjuju | that's pretty good DtD, lovin it |
| 16:47.35 | influx | +1 |
| 16:58.21 | mindjuju | hmm, i think the mailing list is going to get a workout today :) |
| 16:58.37 | carmony_ | lol |
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| 17:03.19 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yep. |
| 17:05.10 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/tman987/oFDki.png |
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| 17:07.30 | mindjuju | @utah_dave, did you see that guys response to your email |
| 17:07.36 | mindjuju | i happy respond to emails??? |
| 17:07.49 | mindjuju | what's he trying to save paper that he can't fit how much the pay range is on the advert? |
| 17:08.10 | mindjuju | can't he abbreviate if he's that desperate ? |
| 17:08.25 | Utah_Dave | :) yeah |
| 17:08.31 | mindjuju | pay DOE, pay 50k |
| 17:08.35 | mindjuju | same letter count! |
| 17:08.38 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart beandog |
| 17:08.38 | ibot | runs at beandog with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 17:09.52 | mindjuju | i wish we could be upfront about the matter. employer who uses DOE is cheap and wants to maximize skillset to pay range, plain and simple, i see no other purpose to not put payrange |
| 17:10.35 | Utah_Dave | Yep. I find it disrespectful to a possible future employee |
| 17:10.58 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:11.14 | redroy | ++; |
| 17:13.09 | Utah_Dave | It's a fair amount of work for both the prospective employee and employer to go through an interview process. Just put the range on there so the employee even knows if it's something he/she wants. |
| 17:13.51 | mindjuju | exactly, i'm with ya on that 100% |
| 17:15.03 | mindjuju | sadly i falled to follow my advice, and passed a DOE job solicitation to somebody who was looking, and they went in for a couple interviews, and the employer was looking for an intern (slave labor -- unpaid) |
| 17:15.08 | mindjuju | not even a real DOE |
| 17:15.19 | beandog | whut |
| 17:15.28 | mindjuju | i'm NEVER doing that again, i'm never passing out DOEs |
| 17:15.51 | beandog | anyone played TRON Evolution |
| 17:15.53 | beandog | I wonder if its any good |
| 17:16.01 | mindjuju | the part about unpaid intern apparently didn't come up until end of 2nd interview or something |
| 17:16.03 | mindjuju | i forget |
| 17:16.06 | mindjuju | i was soooo mad |
| 17:16.09 | Utah_Dave | That's horrible. |
| 17:17.01 | beandog | mindjuju: what happened? |
| 17:17.01 | mindjuju | in my book, that's right up there with ... be our 100% php slave and will give you 15% ownership in the company and stocks |
| 17:17.46 | mindjuju | @beandog, somebody in uphpu was looking for a job, and I usually only pass those job listings where it has a payrange, but this time i didn't do that and passed one that had a depends on experience (DOE) |
| 17:17.54 | mindjuju | and it turned out to be an unpaid internship |
| 17:18.21 | mindjuju | felt like a major looser for not vetting better |
| 17:20.36 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://dexterthedragon.com/2011/06/my-baby-boy/ |
| 17:21.03 | beandog | oh my gosh. |
| 17:21.07 | beandog | Need more pics. Now |
| 17:21.07 | beandog | :D |
| 17:21.14 | DexterTheDragon | I need to upload more |
| 17:21.20 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: you see the gallery link? |
| 17:21.43 | mindjuju | yar, the one where DtD give pup a bath is funny |
| 17:21.49 | mindjuju | dtd = soaked |
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| 17:22.20 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://dexterthedragon.com/2011/06/puppy-pictures/img_0830/#item |
| 17:27.55 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: couldn't stop myself from sending one last email to that thread |
| 17:28.54 | mindjuju | that perfectly sums up the situation |
| 17:39.43 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: that gallery is awesome :D |
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| 17:55.46 | trevynm | mindjuju: lol, ill stop responding :) |
| 17:56.18 | trevynm | The original poster is my brother in law... so I show no mercy |
| 17:56.29 | mindjuju | ah dude! I just posted back to your response |
| 17:56.35 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:57.15 | mindjuju | i am interested by the way |
| 17:57.21 | trevynm | What 5 guys? |
| 17:57.23 | trevynm | Orem? |
| 17:57.24 | skinner | 5guys....I'm in |
| 17:57.26 | skinner | lol |
| 17:57.32 | Utah_Dave | me, too! |
| 17:57.45 | mindjuju | which ever, i don't remember where you live at |
| 17:57.46 | fridgesm | 5 guys? |
| 17:57.50 | fridgesm | today? |
| 17:57.54 | trevynm | im in north Orem |
| 17:58.11 | skinner | 5 guys by University Mall Movie Theater |
| 17:58.39 | mindjuju | rofl, this is awesome. let's do 5guys, can we do today or do we need to push to tomorrow to give everybody time to make arrangements? |
| 17:58.46 | trevynm | skinner: be carefull, if I show up, my enemys might show up :) |
| 17:58.55 | skinner | lol |
| 17:59.16 | mindjuju | or we can push to later this week if needed |
| 17:59.34 | fridgesm | can we come just to spectate? :) |
| 17:59.45 | trevynm | fridgesm: yes |
| 17:59.54 | unum | if you were in midvale I'd go tomorrow :) |
| 18:00.01 | mindjuju | i've been lax in my duties to organize geek lunches, was hoping to start them this month |
| 18:00.03 | fridgesm | lol, I'm excited |
| 18:00.22 | mindjuju | it's not too late, we could do last friday this month and find places in UC, SLC and ogden for the likes of DTD |
| 18:01.11 | fridgesm | is that this Friday? |
| 18:01.26 | mindjuju | yup, it would be |
| 18:01.37 | mindjuju | let's set it up for friday so that we can get some adverts out |
| 18:01.43 | mindjuju | can you do this friday trevynm |
| 18:01.52 | fridgesm | too bad, I'm busy |
| 18:02.00 | mindjuju | plus mgeary still owes me a tasty beverage, maybe i can collect? |
| 18:02.08 | mgeary | there is that... |
| 18:02.38 | mgeary | geek lunch @ 5guys on Friday? is that the one by the university mall? |
| 18:02.59 | mgeary | are there others? |
| 18:02.59 | mindjuju | in the UC, i think it's just that one |
| 18:03.20 | mindjuju | i can whip up some promo and advert here today / get the word out |
| 18:03.47 | trevynm | mindjuju: dont plan it just for me |
| 18:04.05 | mindjuju | nah, its been a long time waiting, this is just a good excuse |
| 18:04.26 | mindjuju | i'll advert it as a geek lunch, but for the UC, it'll just be part of the convo if we get to it |
| 18:04.27 | trevynm | mindjuju: do your thing, ill send skinner |
| 18:04.37 | mindjuju | is skinner your padawan ? |
| 18:04.42 | trevynm | one of them |
| 18:04.51 | trevynm | more like my padawans, padawan |
| 18:05.11 | trevynm | skinner: agreed? |
| 18:05.40 | skinner | trevynm: ....your padawans padawan? |
| 18:05.42 | skinner | lol |
| 18:05.50 | trevynm | lol |
| 18:05.51 | skinner | guess that works |
| 18:06.08 | trevynm | jk |
| 18:06.10 | mindjuju | Dtd, you around? |
| 18:06.17 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: sup |
| 18:06.27 | mindjuju | are you still working in ogden? |
| 18:06.31 | mindjuju | are you are in the slc? |
| 18:06.44 | DexterTheDragon | layton |
| 18:07.59 | mindjuju | DtD, looks like there is a 5 guys near layton |
| 18:08.06 | mindjuju | close to Hill AFB |
| 18:08.24 | mindjuju | can you do geek lunch there this friday? |
| 18:08.50 | mindjuju | or would you want to have all ogden peps go to SLC for 5guys? |
| 18:09.25 | mindjuju | can you even do lunch on friday? |
| 18:10.59 | unum | ogden->slc->ogden takes longer than most people's lunch breaks |
| 18:11.14 | mindjuju | unum, are you up there in ogden too? |
| 18:11.25 | unum | mindjuju: no, I'm from Layton |
| 18:11.32 | unum | but I'm right by the midvale five guys |
| 18:12.35 | herlo | unum: you no longer live in Murray? |
| 18:12.53 | mindjuju | herlo, are you in town these days? |
| 18:13.11 | unum | herlo: no my wife owned a place in sandy, so I'm renting out my place in murray |
| 18:13.25 | unum | but I still work in easy murray |
| 18:13.39 | unum | s/easy/east |
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| 18:24.43 | carmony | There is a 5 guys in Layton |
| 18:25.19 | carmony | I'd have to check my schedule, but I think I could do a geek lunch |
| 18:26.54 | beandog | in soviet russia, schedule checks you! |
| 18:27.56 | herlo | mindjuju: nope, in Philly this week, Balitmore next |
| 18:28.03 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:28.13 | jsmith | herlo: You gonna swing down to VA? |
| 18:28.15 | herlo | unum: coolness |
| 18:28.18 | herlo | jsmith: I could... |
| 18:28.25 | jsmith | herlo: Or am I gonna have to drag myself up to MD? |
| 18:28.27 | herlo | if you wanna... |
| 18:28.32 | herlo | meet in the middle? |
| 18:28.37 | jsmith | When are you in Baltimore? |
| 18:29.00 | herlo | Sun-Fri next |
| 18:29.23 | herlo | June 27-July 1 |
| 18:29.30 | herlo | I fly in late on Sunday night |
| 18:29.30 | jsmith | It'd have to be Monday or earlier on Tuesday |
| 18:30.01 | herlo | either would work. I don't get out of work until 5:30pm though |
| 18:30.24 | herlo | jsmith: Brazil! You are the travelling man these days... |
| 18:30.46 | herlo | I'm guessing you are already top tier and fly first/business class most places... :) |
| 18:32.17 | jsmith | herlo: I'm platinum status on Delta, but I'm flying American to Brazil, so I'm sitting in cattle class |
| 18:32.35 | herlo | jsmith: well, that is lame |
| 18:32.44 | jsmith | C'est la vie |
| 18:32.48 | herlo | jsmith: I might hit gold at the end of this month |
| 18:32.54 | herlo | but probably at the end of July |
| 18:33.00 | jsmith | I'm just happy to be headed to the land of churrasco and guaraná |
| 18:33.06 | herlo | I'm sure! |
| 18:33.17 | herlo | I would love to go for those reasons alone |
| 18:33.28 | jsmith | Oh, and can't forget the feijoada |
| 18:33.29 | herlo | jsmith: FLISOL? |
| 18:33.34 | jsmith | herlo: FISL |
| 18:33.38 | herlo | ahh, coolness |
| 18:33.45 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: if carmony is down for it I think I could make a geek lunch |
| 18:34.39 | herlo | jsmith: sounds yummy |
| 18:35.10 | carmony | DexterTheDragon: yeah, I'm down :) |
| 18:36.10 | mindjuju | k, i'll start prep for advert on geek lunch this friday at 5guys |
| 18:37.56 | mgeary | hey, on Linux, where do mount definitions live? |
| 18:40.01 | jsmith | /etc/fstab |
| 18:42.37 | herlo | jsmith: you had mgeary throw you that softball so you could stay fresh, didn't you? :P |
| 18:42.45 | beandog | lol |
| 18:42.46 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:43.05 | jsmith | herlo: Whatever it takes, man... Sometimes it's good to get technical and take a break from "human engineering" |
| 18:43.14 | herlo | lol |
| 18:43.37 | herlo | human engineering. Sounds like you are a researcher with some *odd* drugs... |
| 18:43.44 | herlo | :D |
| 18:46.03 | jsmith | Naw, it just sounds more interesting than "learning the ropes of organizational dynamics" |
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| 19:13.02 | mgeary | okay, so now that i've added something to my fstab, how do i best mount it? |
| 19:16.48 | mindjuju | hmm, i've always wondered this. make a mod to fstab, es ok reboot? |
| 19:16.57 | mindjuju | is there a service to restart |
| 19:17.10 | mgeary | right. it seems overkill to reboot |
| 19:17.35 | beandog | mount -a |
| 19:17.55 | mindjuju | i thought mount was for mount sans fstab, i.e. temp mount |
| 19:18.03 | mindjuju | but fstab mount, i've always rebooted on |
| 19:18.03 | beandog | mindjuju: you were wrong, sir! |
| 19:18.23 | mindjuju | ah, learn something new every day |
| 19:18.53 | beandog | You can call mount, then the 1st or 2nd entry in fstab, and it'll work |
| 19:18.56 | beandog | same with umount |
| 19:19.06 | beandog | or mount -a just tries to mount any unmounted stuff not mounted in fstab |
| 19:19.15 | beandog | that was slightly redundant. |
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| 19:19.54 | mindjuju | so mount -a mounts everything according to fstab? that cool |
| 19:20.02 | beandog | aye |
| 19:20.20 | beandog | you can put bind mounts in there, too |
| 19:20.35 | beandog | well, any kind of mount that works, can go in there. |
| 19:20.47 | beandog | you can remount stuff as well |
| 19:20.50 | beandog | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:20.54 | beandog | mount -o remount,ro,acl / |
| 19:20.55 | beandog | etc. |
| 19:21.05 | beandog | on a live filesystem |
| 19:21.15 | mgeary | hrm. tells me, mount: mount point /mnt/storage does not exist |
| 19:21.24 | beandog | mgeary: mkdir /mnt/storage |
| 19:21.44 | mgeary | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock .... |
| 19:21.52 | beandog | give us your fstab entry |
| 19:22.45 | mgeary | i copied it from another EC2 machine nearly identical to the one i'm working on. it's this: nfs.dmc.foo.com:/mnt/storage /mnt/storage nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr 0 0 |
| 19:23.28 | beandog | looks right |
| 19:23.43 | beandog | make sure you have nfs modules, portmap, etc. all working on local box |
| 19:31.03 | fungus | mgeary look for a package called nfs-client or something like that. |
| 19:31.38 | mgeary | fungus: this seems relevant: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=114594 |
| 19:31.54 | mgeary | i added the nouuid, but that didn't change anything. i'll look for that package |
| 19:32.31 | fungus | That error is a problem with the disk itself. NFS works differently |
| 19:33.32 | fungus | You can also try the mount directly: mount -t nfs -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr nfs.dmc.foo.com:/mnt/storage /mnt/storage |
| 19:33.33 | mgeary | okay, so installing nfs-common seems to have made a difference |
| 19:33.55 | mgeary | but now i'm getting: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'nfs.dmc.foo.com' failed: timed out, retrying |
| 19:34.13 | mgeary | i can ping that domain, might be a firewall issue? |
| 19:34.35 | mgeary | iptables doesn't list anything |
| 19:35.33 | mgeary | what port does nfs go through? i could try making a telnet connection..? |
| 19:36.04 | fungus | run, "rpcinfo -p" to verify you have portmap running |
| 19:36.08 | herlo | mgeary: a lot |
| 19:36.15 | herlo | lol |
| 19:36.26 | mgeary | tried port 111, no workie |
| 19:36.37 | fungus | Then, run "rpcinfo -p nfs.dmc.foo.com" to verify connectivity to the host itself |
| 19:36.45 | mgeary | fungus: it gives me 4 entries. |
| 19:36.54 | fungus | that means it's runing |
| 19:37.12 | mgeary | trying this: telnet nfs.dmc.legatomedia.com 111, just hangs there |
| 19:37.25 | fungus | Because that's UDP |
| 19:37.29 | fungus | and telnet is for TCP |
| 19:37.36 | mgeary | oh, it said 111 for tcp as well |
| 19:37.50 | herlo | mgeary: yes, but rpcbind uses udb |
| 19:37.53 | fungus | yeah, just use rpcinfo -p <hostname> |
| 19:37.55 | herlo | udp primarily |
| 19:38.13 | mgeary | fungus: that is hanging |
| 19:38.25 | fungus | So it's connectivity to the NFS server that is borked |
| 19:39.01 | mgeary | doing this from 2 other EC2 machines that have this mount returns a big list of entries |
| 19:40.13 | fungus | right |
| 19:40.20 | fungus | that is what should happen |
| 19:41.03 | fungus | that means that the RPC (portmap) service is listening and returning all the services and ports running on that host. |
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| 19:42.16 | fungus | NFS is a little strange. First it uses the RPC (portmap) via UDP/111 to find out where the NFS service is listening at (usually TCP/2049, but can be others) |
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| 19:42.36 | fungus | Then it connects to the "mountd" service to initiate the actual mount |
| 19:43.55 | fungus | So your firewall needs to have quite a few ports open to allow an NFS mount |
| 19:45.35 | mgeary | so you think it is a firewall issue? as far as i can tell, there IS no firewall on this machine |
| 19:45.49 | mgeary | though that's not to say there isn't one on the mount point |
| 19:52.06 | fungus | Yeah, i'd check the NFS server. Maybe it has a whitelist of NFS clients (good idea btw). |
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| 20:00.53 | fridgesm | has anybody here used Flash Media Server (or compatible technology)? |
| 20:03.51 | mgeary | fridgesm: i've used Red5 and Wowza |
| 20:03.51 | mindjuju | i've used for streaming, but it was a managed server, i've also used winders media streaming and wowsa |
| 20:04.06 | fridgesm | we're looking at wowza |
| 20:04.11 | mgeary | wowza is great |
| 20:04.25 | fridgesm | it looks like the best |
| 20:04.48 | mgeary | yeah. it seems to be much more robust than Red5, but that could be my inexperience with Red5 to blame |
| 20:05.05 | fridgesm | Is it possible to have PHP code determine who has access to resources on the Wowza server? |
| 20:05.12 | fridgesm | red5 doesn't have the features we need |
| 20:05.41 | fridgesm | addendum to my question: *securely* |
| 20:05.44 | mgeary | i don't think it is, really. i believe that level of logic needs to be at the "Wowza app" level, which i will admit is something i've never gotten deeply into |
| 20:06.00 | fridgesm | can you write your own modules for Wowza to do that? |
| 20:06.04 | mgeary | yes |
| 20:06.08 | fridgesm | ok |
| 20:06.14 | fridgesm | in Java, I assume... |
| 20:06.15 | mgeary | though i believe they have to be in Java, which i've tried to avoid |
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| 20:11.01 | mgeary | (right) |
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| 20:24.52 | carmony | is there anyway to speed up the "du" command |
| 20:25.38 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: the rm command |
| 20:25.42 | carmony | rofl |
| 20:36.44 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 20:38.37 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: lol |
| 20:50.05 | fungus | carmony, sure, run it again. |
| 20:50.13 | fungus | it'll be faster the second time |
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| 21:35.26 | carmony | I think fungus or herlo should do a presentation on puppet :P |
| 21:39.02 | fungus | probably herlo, my knowledge is still very very basic. |
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| 21:53.34 | herlo | um, sure... |
| 21:53.57 | herlo | carmony: but it probably won't be until september |
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| 22:31.56 | influx | ~english-- |
| 22:32.08 | influx | ~english++ |
| 22:32.10 | influx | ~brain-- |
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