| 00:08.29 | beandog | fungus: you ever work with avahi |
| 00:08.47 | fungus | only barely |
| 00:08.56 | beandog | :t |
| 00:09.05 | beandog | I'm trying to broadcast availablity of a host other than the one locally |
| 00:09.12 | beandog | syntax looks right, but it's not working |
| 00:09.46 | fungus | you are trying to send mDNS packets to advertise your own custom service? |
| 00:10.01 | beandog | fungus: avahi services show up fine for the same host it's running on |
| 00:10.09 | beandog | but I'm trying to also advertise a service for another host |
| 00:10.26 | beandog | It actually shows up in the list just fine, but the IP address isn't |
| 00:10.34 | beandog | Er, hostname show up, IP doesn't. |
| 00:11.03 | fungus | Why don't you have the real host advertise itself? |
| 00:11.13 | beandog | It's going to be on a separate subnet |
| 00:11.33 | beandog | I want the OS X clients to have it show up in their Network list |
| 00:11.53 | beandog | so I'll just broadcast availability on the daemon that's running on their subnet |
| 00:12.15 | fungus | then you should work on getting the multicast traffic to move to the other subnet |
| 00:12.24 | fungus | don't mess with avahi stuff. that's weird. |
| 00:12.53 | fungus | http://serverfault.com/questions/121032/forward-mdns-from-one-subnet-to-another |
| 00:12.59 | beandog | fungus: I didnt think multicast could work across two subn ets |
| 00:15.12 | fungus | look at the reflector stuff in avahi |
| 00:15.26 | fungus | or possibly the wide-area stuff might work |
| 00:16.05 | beandog | Hmm |
| 00:16.11 | beandog | Well one thing I just noticed that may be a problem |
| 00:16.17 | beandog | avahi thinks my dommainame is local |
| 00:17.18 | fungus | that's normal |
| 00:21.53 | macnewbold | @all: so by raise of hands, who in here is planning to be at the meeting tonight? |
| 00:22.05 | fungus | I plan on going |
| 00:23.21 | macnewbold | carmony was planning on it last I heard, but he's already en route i bet, and josephscott is offline already and I bet will be there. carmony was trying to bribe mindjuju with some popeyes takeout i think too. |
| 00:23.44 | beandog | ugh |
| 00:24.00 | beandog | hostname -f is returning Unknown host |
| 00:24.40 | fungus | check your /etc/hosts file |
| 00:25.37 | beandog | it looks right |
| 00:26.33 | fungus | does it contain an entry for your host |
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| 00:27.24 | fungus | or is your hostname in DNS (forward and reverse) |
| 00:27.29 | beandog | 127.0.0.1 ratatui.local localhost.local localhost |
| 00:28.19 | beandog | okay, I added just ratatui and it works now |
| 00:28.44 | beandog | well, it DID |
| 00:28.45 | beandog | CRAP |
| 00:28.46 | beandog | wth |
| 00:29.12 | fungus | *ratatouille |
| 00:29.25 | fungus | ;) |
| 00:30.24 | beandog | wth is the problem. |
| 00:30.46 | herlo | nobody can spell that! |
| 00:31.23 | fungus | hehe |
| 00:31.35 | fungus | I use elements, and give the crappy ones to people I don't like. |
| 00:31.41 | herlo | nice |
| 00:31.58 | herlo | like beryllium ? |
| 00:32.05 | fungus | praseodymium |
| 00:44.49 | herlo | yeah, that's a good one :) |
| 00:45.31 | herlo | boo, I was going to suggest Ununquadium |
| 00:45.41 | herlo | http://periodic.lanl.gov/114.shtml |
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| 01:19.54 | utahcon | stop using all the bandwidth! |
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| 01:27.11 | herlo | utahcon: orly? |
| 01:29.04 | josephscott | $8ball would you stay at Oracle? |
| 01:29.05 | raifbot | josephscott - Concentrate and ask again. |
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| 02:27.53 | utahcon | josephscott: lol? |
| 02:28.03 | utahcon | what is so funny about Stackable and MariaDB? |
| 02:28.47 | josephscott | based on mac's earlier comment that they ended up using it unknowingly |
| 02:29.32 | utahcon | any chance WP would use Percona or Maria? |
| 02:29.48 | herlo | utahcon: Maria should work no problem |
| 02:30.02 | herlo | stackable uses Maria |
| 02:30.02 | utahcon | herlo: _should_ |
| 02:30.22 | utahcon | herlo: stackable is not a measure of rightness for me |
| 02:30.29 | josephscott | you can use percona as pretty much a drop in replacement for mysql, so no problem with WP |
| 02:30.36 | josephscott | pretty close to the same with maria |
| 02:30.36 | herlo | utahcon: I have used it with magento |
| 02:31.00 | utahcon | I have used a lot of things wth Magento, I just wouldnt use Magento if I had the choice |
| 02:31.03 | josephscott | so you can use WP with both today, just won't be using any of the features unique to them |
| 02:31.29 | herlo | utahcon: true that |
| 02:32.18 | utahcon | herlo: although I have been reading up on Mage2.0 and it sounds like they are going to fix a ton of things |
| 02:32.44 | herlo | it better |
| 02:32.52 | utahcon | eBay is purchasing Magento -- no clue why they would though |
| 02:33.02 | herlo | utahcon: utah db ug doesn't really exist last I checked... |
| 02:33.05 | utahcon | I don't see the logic behind it |
| 02:33.11 | utahcon | what?! |
| 02:33.15 | herlo | utahcon: moneys... |
| 02:33.33 | utahcon | what moneys might they obtain from purchasing Mage? |
| 02:33.56 | herlo | no, to spend them |
| 02:34.11 | utahcon | oh |
| 02:34.14 | utahcon | well that is exciting |
| 02:34.30 | utahcon | maybe they will keel it? |
| 02:36.11 | josephscott | utahcon: what sort of db scaling issues? |
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| 03:24.06 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 03:24.06 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't mow his lawn, he stands on the porch and dares it to grow |
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| 14:05.35 | influx | Morning. |
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| 14:46.23 | carmony | goooooooooood morning |
| 14:46.40 | josephscott | carmony: how was Apple Bee's last night? |
| 14:47.20 | carmony | it was fun, we had 11 of us there, Velda was able to make it out for it too |
| 14:49.01 | carmony | haha, operating in the "cloud": http://www.virtualshackles.com/224 |
| 14:50.59 | josephscott | oh nice, haven't seen Velda in a few months |
| 14:51.44 | herlo | josephscott: you might see her back here soon. She quit working at BlendTec |
| 14:51.52 | josephscott | yep, heard that |
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| 15:07.00 | carmony | herlo: she said she planned to, just that it is summer time so she is spending more time away from the comp and with the kids :) |
| 15:12.05 | herlo | yeah, totally understand |
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| 15:27.57 | influx | INFLUX SMASH |
| 15:28.49 | DexterTheDragon | ~smash influx |
| 15:28.49 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in influx's general direction |
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| 15:42.59 | carmony | josephscott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coNDCIMH8bk&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SPC394849408B5F203 -- good talk on looking at your data |
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| 15:43.28 | josephscott | cool, will check that out later |
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| 16:29.29 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 16:29.29 | ibot | strangles Monnok with a 9-pole serial cable |
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| 17:18.15 | carmony | ~rlart |
| 17:18.16 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down raifbot's throat until raifbot puts on 150lbs |
| 17:18.30 | josephscott | ~say $lart ibot |
| 17:18.31 | ibot | $lart ibot |
| 17:18.31 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
| 17:18.31 | carmony | tsk tsk raifbot |
| 17:39.56 | mgeary | ~friday |
| 17:39.56 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, friday is Friy-dayy, Friy-dayy, gettin' down on Friy-dayy |
| 17:40.09 | utahcon | nice |
| 17:40.18 | Monnok | That'll be $3 |
| 17:46.17 | skinner | ~skinner ibot |
| 17:46.17 | ibot | ACTION buries ibot in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
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| 18:56.19 | carmony | hey supernovia :) |
| 19:02.10 | influx | aloha super |
| 19:03.00 | beandog | anyone know any computer parts stores near SLC |
| 19:03.04 | beandog | that are not best buy |
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| 19:03.34 | fungus | Universal System |
| 19:03.36 | fungus | s |
| 19:03.37 | mgeary | is EBC still operating up there? i know they closed shop in Orem |
| 19:03.41 | fungus | Software and More |
| 19:03.46 | fungus | EBC is gone |
| 19:03.52 | beandog | oh yah, software and more |
| 19:03.53 | beandog | derp |
| 19:04.02 | mgeary | fungus, more's the pity |
| 19:04.27 | supernovia | Oh hi influx! :) |
| 19:04.45 | supernovia | I didn't see your note earlier |
| 19:05.11 | influx | :) |
| 19:05.35 | supernovia | how goes it? |
| 19:07.54 | influx | Quite well, thank you. For you? |
| 19:08.55 | supernovia | It goes. |
| 19:09.09 | herlo | supernovia: !! hi! |
| 19:09.16 | supernovia | Just packed a lunch for my kiddo to take to cub scout day camp |
| 19:09.20 | supernovia | Hey herlo! How's it? |
| 19:09.28 | herlo | supernovia: ooh, cub scouts! |
| 19:09.31 | herlo | fun! |
| 19:09.38 | herlo | supernovia: I'm well. Just about to head home from Seattle |
| 19:09.44 | supernovia | I <3 seattle :) |
| 19:09.49 | herlo | hehe |
| 19:10.26 | herlo | well, I'm in Bellevue |
| 19:10.51 | herlo | I never seem to make it down to Seattle proper anymore |
| 19:11.37 | supernovia | I only make it when that group of designers gets together. which is rare, since a few of them are on the other side of the planet |
| 19:11.49 | herlo | yeah... |
| 19:12.01 | supernovia | but when we do make it there, ah, the good times. We rent a big fat condo and just have a blast :) |
| 19:12.33 | herlo | nice! |
| 19:12.47 | herlo | time for me to head to grab some lunch, then the airport. ttfn! |
| 19:12.55 | supernovia | have fun! thanks for saying hi |
| 19:13.48 | herlo | :) will do, good to see you here |
| 19:13.55 | supernovia | thanks :) |
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| 19:38.44 | carmony | I dislike when I have to work with our image filtering system |
| 19:40.03 | fungus | lol |
| 19:40.26 | influx | Whyfor? |
| 19:40.47 | carmony | its a pain, and I hack it so instead of the actual images it displays, it displays images of puppies :P |
| 19:41.11 | influx | Aye. |
| 19:41.15 | supernovia | lol |
| 19:41.23 | fungus | how is the filtering done? human? |
| 19:41.36 | carmony | kinda |
| 19:41.48 | influx | Dudes and dudettes: Do you know of any applications out there that will read through an html file and make a bulleted list of elements with attributes? |
| 19:42.00 | carmony | we have a "blacklist" that we add to |
| 19:42.03 | fungus | no fancy penis detection algorithms? :) |
| 19:42.06 | carmony | but we have a "report image" sense |
| 19:42.07 | influx | ha |
| 19:42.08 | carmony | LOL, no |
| 19:42.15 | carmony | system |
| 19:43.06 | fungus | you could probably make a fortune writing an algorithm like that. |
| 19:45.37 | carmony | I'm sure I could, but that definitely would be something I would NOT like writing or testing :P |
| 19:46.15 | ninnypants | fungus: there's a nipple detection javascript library |
| 19:46.45 | ninnypants | or nudity I can't remember which |
| 19:47.19 | mgeary | influx: can you be more specific? sounds like something xpath could help with |
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| 19:51.17 | influx | mgeary: I suppose I can. What I would like to do is find out what elements are present in the HTML document (with any class and id attributes, specifically) so that I have a better idea of what there is with which to work in a CSS file. |
| 19:51.44 | influx | I can do it manually, but that would take considerably longer than if I had a tool which tells me what the structure of the document is. |
| 19:51.45 | mgeary | influx: so you want a unique set listing each element that occurs? |
| 19:52.03 | influx | Yes, in relation to the others in the document. |
| 19:52.20 | mgeary | i.e. if there are 20 divs, it would only report [...,"div",..] |
| 19:52.32 | mgeary | how do you mean, in relation to the others? |
| 19:53.38 | influx | So, something like so: http://pastebin.com/Hf3J9zYZ |
| 19:53.41 | influx | err, yeah. |
| 19:54.01 | influx | -so#1 |
| 19:54.31 | mgeary | i see |
| 19:55.14 | mgeary | i'm not aware of any canned solution for something like that, but i'd think you'd want to use an xml parser to start |
| 19:55.25 | mgeary | and then just do a recursive iteration through the parsed entity |
| 19:55.48 | influx | *nod* |
| 19:56.33 | mgeary | if you're technology-agnostic, python's lxml module is great, but you could probably pull this off with PHP's SimpleXML |
| 19:57.25 | influx | I'll look at both. :) Thanks! |
| 19:57.56 | mindjuju | technology-agnostic, a person who isn't sure of the existence of technology? |
| 19:58.47 | mgeary | good call, mindjuju |
| 19:59.09 | mindjuju | sorry, just got back from a major rewire in the warehouse |
| 19:59.10 | mgeary | i should have said technology-apathetic |
| 19:59.15 | influx | technology-indifferent? |
| 19:59.19 | mgeary | influx: better |
| 19:59.23 | influx | :) |
| 19:59.23 | mgeary | apathetic was too strong |
| 19:59.25 | mindjuju | i'm tired and dogs barking |
| 20:01.40 | mindjuju | i feel that i'm an educated person, and experienced in many things, yet, i can not put my brain around this - http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Tablet-iPad-Accessories-Determination/dp/B003PDR9YY/ref=sr_1_41?ie=UTF8&qid=1308340848&sr=8-41 |
| 20:02.13 | mgeary | oh, great. now i'm hungry |
| 20:02.47 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:04.00 | mindjuju | oh man, that's funny, somebody wrote a review for the pancakes |
| 20:04.09 | influx | Love it. |
| 20:11.07 | mindjuju | stderr-: what are people shooting at ya that made that welt? |
| 20:14.28 | stderr- | paintball guns |
| 20:15.38 | mgeary | hey, if i change the mysqld bind-address setting, what do i need to do to get mysql to recognize that? a full restart, or can i reload the config? |
| 20:19.26 | mgeary | ah, well, restarting it works |
| 20:29.09 | fungus | yeah, have to restart for bind-address |
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| 20:43.15 | mindjuju | sup supernovia |
| 20:43.19 | mindjuju | long time no see in IRC |
| 20:44.25 | supernovia | Hey mindjuju :) |
| 20:44.38 | supernovia | Yeah, I figured I'd come in today :) |
| 20:44.47 | supernovia | how's it there? |
| 20:44.58 | mindjuju | i'm eating a late lunch, doing a bit of Art shopping |
| 20:45.39 | mindjuju | @supernovia, check this out |
| 20:45.40 | mindjuju | http://www.jameshance.com/images/cartoons/kessel.jpg |
| 20:45.44 | mindjuju | i'm totally buying that |
| 20:45.50 | mindjuju | DtD might be interested too |
| 20:46.26 | mindjuju | at $10 a print, not bad |
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| 20:48.14 | supernovia | awesome :-D |
| 20:49.04 | mindjuju | sadly, i've been neglecting my calvin and hobbes collection, i have a book here at work, but it's been years since i opened it |
| 20:49.18 | supernovia | We just have C&H book here, but we love it :) |
| 20:49.37 | supernovia | er, one C&H |
| 20:50.41 | fridgesm | my parents have the full collection |
| 20:50.55 | fridgesm | my nephew reads them whenever we have a family gathering |
| 20:56.39 | mindjuju | supernovia - http://www.redbubble.com/products/configure/6022265-t-shirt |
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| 21:03.03 | supernovia | oh my gosh mindjuju |
| 21:03.10 | supernovia | that's awesome |
| 21:03.21 | mindjuju | i KNOW! |
| 21:27.09 | carmony | so I'm curious. Who wants to give me some feedback on a design? :P |
| 21:39.08 | supernovia | I will |
| 21:40.36 | supernovia | carmony, I'll look ;) |
| 21:40.55 | carmony | http://www.ttesportschallenge.com/ |
| 21:41.37 | supernovia | my connection is slow |
| 21:42.10 | carmony | well, and the BGs are bloody pngs (client request) |
| 21:42.16 | carmony | w/ transparencies |
| 21:43.56 | supernovia | you know who has the coolest background png? thinkgeek.com :) |
| 21:44.32 | carmony | haha, I agree :) |
| 21:44.36 | carmony | so did it load for you? |
| 21:45.06 | supernovia | It did after a while :) (and have you scrolled down on their png? THAT's the only real excuse I can see for using a heavy png as a background :) |
| 21:45.11 | supernovia | ) |
| 21:45.35 | carmony | no, but they want to be able to swap it out later |
| 21:45.42 | carmony | with other BGs |
| 21:45.54 | carmony | the two BG images on there |
| 21:45.57 | carmony | are about 2MB |
| 21:46.01 | carmony | in size total |
| 21:46.08 | carmony | which is insanity |
| 21:46.24 | supernovia | they should totally be jpgs. :T |
| 21:46.44 | carmony | so besides the crazy sizes on the BGs |
| 21:47.13 | supernovia | Are you looking for ideas on things to tweak? |
| 21:47.40 | supernovia | like little changes that should make a difference kind of thing? |
| 21:47.42 | carmony | just general opinions of people |
| 21:47.51 | carmony | overall what people like and dislike |
| 21:48.05 | fridgesm | that is a large bg image |
| 21:49.25 | fridgesm | I think it would look more hip if the bg image was fixed |
| 21:49.29 | supernovia | So I'm trying to think like a dude here, because my initial reaction was "oh noes, I've just been shot!" with all the red/black |
| 21:49.37 | supernovia | yeah |
| 21:49.45 | carmony | LOL, yeah |
| 21:49.47 | carmony | they told us |
| 21:49.53 | carmony | "We want it red and black, and that is it" |
| 21:50.03 | carmony | you know how hard it is to do a design with just red and black? |
| 21:50.16 | supernovia | I hear you. Been there :) |
| 21:52.02 | carmony | trying to talk them into broadening their color scheme |
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| 21:52.21 | supernovia | d'oh, pressed the wrong key combo |
| 21:52.24 | carmony | lol |
| 21:52.32 | carmony | I hate it when I do that |
| 21:53.02 | supernovia | would they be OK with desaturating and fixing the bgimg? |
| 21:53.20 | supernovia | I think if the BG weren't red it wouldn't feel like I'm dying in a 1st person shooter |
| 21:53.49 | carmony | yeah, like I tried to desaturate all different versions |
| 21:53.59 | carmony | each time though they were like "Hrm, we want more red. It is the brand" |
| 21:54.04 | supernovia | that's always the trick doing design work. Oy. |
| 21:54.18 | supernovia | Well, so contrast is good too though... |
| 21:54.57 | supernovia | they'd actually draw more attention to their red logo up top if the background behind it was in greytones I'd think |
| 21:55.27 | supernovia | design work = freaking subjective :T |
| 21:55.51 | supernovia | and typically the employer is not a designer but they want to have a lot of input |
| 21:56.58 | fridgesm | stupid clients, having opinions and such |
| 21:56.59 | supernovia | anyway, I'd desaturate & use red where you want emphasis. And then I'd shrink the font on the headers in the right column, first big section, so they don't wrap on the last word |
| 21:57.08 | fridgesm | :) |
| 21:57.11 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:58.01 | fridgesm | supernovia: got your email, and talked to my wife and brother -- I'll be in touch |
| 21:58.16 | supernovia | coolio :) |
| 22:00.36 | supernovia | but in general, carmony, if I'm trying to think like a guy, I think this site is probably spot on. :) |
| 22:01.14 | carmony | lol, yeah. I just dislike it when the client is happy with the design, but myself isn't happy with it ;) |
| 22:01.32 | supernovia | story of my life. oy. |
| 22:02.27 | supernovia | but, I try to pick little things that could make it better & then focus on that :) |
| 22:17.14 | mindjuju | i think this is dumb idea - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Internet-braces-for-Vegas-and-apf-2075467487.html?x=0 |
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| 22:19.08 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.10 | mindjuju | Big business will stake claims, too. Printer and camera maker Canon Inc. plans to apply for ".Canon". Trade groups for bankers and financial-services companies are working together to explore bids for ".bank", ".insure" and ".invest" for their member companies. |
| 22:19.33 | mindjuju | soooo, www.canon.canon ? |
| 22:19.54 | supernovia | d'oh! |
| 22:19.55 | mindjuju | have these guys REALLY thought this through? |
| 22:20.19 | mindjuju | can you imagine EVERY coder EVERYWHERE yelling because the regex for email validation would be NUTS! |
| 22:20.41 | supernovia | for reals. |
| 22:20.56 | supernovia | Not to mention the users trying to email these people :-p |
| 22:21.22 | mindjuju | i love this thought |
| 22:21.23 | mindjuju | The thinking is that new businesses setting up shop online might prefer a simple name that ends in ".bank" rather than "TheBankDownTheStreetFromTheSupermarket.com." |
| 22:21.31 | mindjuju | soooo, bankofamerica.bank |
| 22:21.35 | ninnypants | I would just hope that php updated its email filter quickly |
| 22:22.03 | DexterTheDragon | if your email regex is tied to .com|.net|.org your doing it wrong |
| 22:22.20 | ninnypants | that is also true |
| 22:22.40 | ninnypants | it could make the length of tld's very random though |
| 22:23.26 | supernovia | yeah. |
| 22:23.43 | mindjuju | sup DtD |
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| 22:27.02 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 22:27.02 | ibot | says "boot to the head" and knocks mindjuju over |
| 22:29.31 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 22:29.47 | mindjuju | with 30 min left in the work week, i'm watching this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNnIG_t-TE0&NR=1 |
| 22:29.54 | supernovia | oh noes, now that song's in my mind |
| 22:30.06 | mindjuju | you totally remind me of marlin |
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| 22:42.09 | mindjuju | hmm, halo 4 coming out in 2012, i guess that means its time for me to get a xbox 360 and play halo 3 |
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