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| 15:17.01 | mindjuju | overheard from PLUG - buntu a swahili word meaning I have insufficient skill to install slackware. |
| 15:17.16 | mindjuju | oops, the u in ubuntu fell off from the copy |
| 15:17.24 | mindjuju | that's a painful quote! |
| 15:20.49 | fungus | lol |
| 15:21.22 | mindjuju | so fungus, did you see this thing about os x lion? |
| 15:21.26 | mindjuju | are you getting it? |
| 15:22.16 | fungus | am i getting Lion? of course. |
| 15:22.35 | fungus | $30 for all my machines. amazing. |
| 15:23.40 | mindjuju | is it for all machines at that price or just 1? |
| 15:23.41 | mindjuju | confused |
| 15:23.46 | jsmith | All machines |
| 15:23.54 | fungus | all machines, one price. |
| 15:24.07 | jsmith | Still $30 too much, though |
| 15:24.11 | mindjuju | wow, we bought snow leopard for a macbook and i thought it was just for that |
| 15:24.24 | mindjuju | if for all machines, there is a second mac i'll apply it to |
| 15:24.24 | fungus | Previous versions were per machine |
| 15:24.35 | fungus | Only Lion has the new licensing |
| 15:24.59 | mindjuju | ah |
| 15:25.35 | fungus | FYI, if you have more than one machine, they sell a "family pack". Up to 5 machines for less than the price of 2 |
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| 15:35.25 | macnewbold | only machines in the same household - not applicable to businesses, unfortunately |
| 15:46.07 | cro | still waiting to see what Apple will do for installs to a fresh hard disk. Sure would be a pain to install Snow Leopard just to install Lion. |
| 15:52.48 | fungus | good point |
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| 15:53.58 | cro | Shipped my 15" MBP for a logic board replacement to AppleCare. It came back without the hard disk. :-@ |
| 15:54.30 | jsmith | cro: :-( |
| 15:54.53 | jsmith | Unfortunately, my experiences with AppleCare (back when I sported a Mac laptop) were about the same :-( |
| 15:55.10 | cro | Customer Relations was flabbergasted. He didn't believe me until I told him I had opened the machine and found the bay empty. |
| 15:55.45 | cro | The worst part is that I have 2 or 3 disks that I could put in the bay but don't have any of the special screws you need to mount it in there. |
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| 16:03.42 | josephscott | ouch, that would be funny if it wasn't so sad |
| 16:04.44 | cro | To top it off, I went to Simply Mac (near my house in Layton) and the tech there told me that the screws always come already attached to the disks from Apple, they don't have extra screws, and they are required to return the screws with dead disks to Apple. |
| 16:05.02 | mindjuju | wow |
| 16:05.08 | cro | yeah, no kidding |
| 16:05.49 | josephscott | ug |
| 16:06.48 | josephscott | $lart special Apple drive screws |
| 16:06.49 | raifbot | keeps mailing special Apple drive screws free America Online CDs until he drowns. |
| 16:08.02 | mindjuju | more info on the apple screws http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2376069,00.asp |
| 16:09.16 | beandog | when does Lion come out? |
| 16:09.23 | cro | July |
| 16:09.46 | cro | sometime |
| 16:09.50 | beandog | ok |
| 16:10.37 | cro | mindjuju: Fortunately my MBP is the generation before they started using the pentalobe screws. |
| 16:11.00 | mindjuju | @cro, the article says though that if you send it in, the old screws get replaced for the new ones |
| 16:11.15 | cro | they didn't do that to me this time, I was lucky |
| 16:11.26 | cro | still the old Phillips on there |
| 16:11.34 | cro | Boy, I would have been angry |
| 16:11.46 | cro | Have to put my 500 GB disk and 8 GB of RAM back in |
| 16:14.06 | herlo | heh, is there some rule that you *have* to leave your HDD in when you send it to applecare? If so, that's lame |
| 16:14.21 | cro | good question |
| 16:14.51 | herlo | as a rule, I never leave my HDD in for exactly the reason you described above |
| 16:14.56 | herlo | btw, cro, did you get the HDD back? |
| 16:15.19 | cro | herlo: No, didn't get the disk back, and Customer Relations is looking for it for me. :-| |
| 16:15.35 | cro | It was a brand-new Seagate Momentus XT 500GB. |
| 16:15.45 | cro | Not smart of me to leave it in |
| 16:15.49 | herlo | yeah, they owe you that, plus the recovered data |
| 16:15.53 | cro | should have put the original 250GB back |
| 16:16.19 | herlo | well, lesson learned. Can't do much about what you did, only what you do from now on. |
| 16:16.50 | cro | Data I don't care about because the tip off that something was really wrong was that I could not do a clean install of the OS. So the disk only had half-installed Mac OS on it. |
| 16:17.15 | herlo | oh, so the disc sucked anyway |
| 16:17.31 | herlo | other than you need one, that's not as bad |
| 16:17.41 | cro | yeah |
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| 16:56.28 | beandog | http://steghide.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:56.30 | beandog | That. is. awesome. |
| 16:57.15 | herlo | beandog: lol, sounds just like you to find that sort of a program :) |
| 16:57.19 | herlo | sounds fun |
| 16:57.29 | beandog | http://ompldr.org/vNWJoZg |
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| 17:10.11 | carmony_pc | aaaaarg, this is frustrating |
| 17:13.36 | beandog | carmony_pc: can you boot off a usb on a mac? |
| 17:19.29 | carmony_pc | yeah |
| 17:19.40 | carmony_pc | well my second partition is fine, which has windows on it |
| 17:20.14 | beandog | planned obsolescence |
| 17:20.15 | beandog | you need Lion |
| 17:20.23 | carmony_pc | lol |
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| 17:44.28 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 17:44.28 | ibot | turns josephscott into a lifesized tux doll |
| 17:44.38 | SunSparc | So cute. |
| 17:52.01 | SunSparc | ~karma SunSparc |
| 17:52.01 | ibot | sunsparc has karma of 22 |
| 17:52.10 | SunSparc | Decent |
| 17:52.16 | SunSparc | ~karma mgeary |
| 17:52.16 | ibot | mgeary has karma of 52 |
| 17:52.20 | josephscott | $weather 84902 |
| 17:52.21 | raifbot | josephscott - sorry, I couldn't get weather data for 84902 |
| 17:52.26 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 17:52.27 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Partly Cloudy 64f / 18c Humidity: 53% Wind: NW at 6 mph |
| 17:52.31 | SunSparc | Sheesh, karma hog. |
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| 17:56.05 | mgeary | i'm saving up for a boat |
| 17:56.06 | mindjuju | ~karma fungus |
| 17:56.06 | ibot | fungus has karma of 69 |
| 17:56.16 | mgeary | ~fungus++ |
| 17:57.00 | mgeary | ~SunSparc++ |
| 17:57.04 | mgeary | for liking german müsli |
| 17:57.13 | mgeary | and for learning Django |
| 17:58.25 | carmony_pc | ok, project |
| 17:58.33 | carmony_pc | "save my mac" is working it looks like |
| 18:00.20 | SunSparc | Sweet! Thanks mgeary! |
| 18:00.29 | SunSparc | ~mgeary++ |
| 18:01.00 | beandog | okay |
| 18:01.03 | beandog | so apparently RSA got hacked |
| 18:01.03 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: lol |
| 18:01.17 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: Make sure to only speak in 1337 |
| 18:01.18 | beandog | bleh, I fail on details |
| 18:01.32 | beandog | but they got on the network and were hanging out with the printers |
| 18:01.38 | beandog | now I'm determined to put mine on a VLAN |
| 18:01.53 | beandog | I've been playing with their firmware settings ... these things are lit up like a Christmas tree |
| 18:02.06 | beandog | FTP, SNMP, mDNS, etc, you name it. All on by default. |
| 18:02.14 | utahcon | nice |
| 18:02.56 | carmony_pc | w3 sh0uld h@v3 a 1337 sp33k 0nly d4y! |
| 18:02.57 | beandog | actually, here's all of em: ipp, http, https, pop3, smtp, tftp, ftp, mdns, snmp, telnet, lpd |
| 18:03.02 | Utah_Dave | SunSparc: :) |
| 18:03.19 | beandog | oh and wins |
| 18:03.33 | SunSparc | carmony_pc: That could be fun, but typing that way is pain. :) |
| 18:03.56 | carmony_pc | j00 1z a f00 then! :P |
| 18:04.04 | carmony_pc | ok, my brain hurts |
| 18:04.12 | carmony_pc | no more leet speak for me |
| 18:04.37 | Utah_Dave | We could set up #UPHPU-1337 and have a bot in here that translates everything to 1337 in the other channel |
| 18:04.47 | josephscott | carmony_pc: what happened to your laptop? |
| 18:05.11 | carmony_pc | 4|-|4! 1'\/3 Ph0U|\|D 4 700L 70 d0 17 Ph0R /\/\3! r0(|< 7|-|@ j00Z |\|3\/\/B5! :P |
| 18:05.23 | Utah_Dave | I think carmony_pc is just trying to come up with an excuse for his company/wife to buy him a new MBP |
| 18:05.28 | carmony_pc | lol |
| 18:05.46 | beandog | '/0UR /\/\0/\/\ 5P33|<5 L337 |
| 18:05.47 | carmony_pc | had some minor file system corruption |
| 18:05.47 | josephscott | $lart leet |
| 18:05.48 | raifbot | executes killall -HUP leet. |
| 18:06.13 | beandog | carmony_pc: quick, convert it to zfs |
| 18:06.33 | carmony_pc | but fsck would fail because the partition was almost full and didn't have space to do it's work |
| 18:06.43 | carmony_pc | so I booted into single user mode |
| 18:06.57 | carmony_pc | deleted some large unimportant files |
| 18:07.03 | carmony_pc | and ran fsck again |
| 18:07.05 | beandog | like command.com |
| 18:07.27 | carmony_pc | so fsck is running now |
| 18:08.00 | carmony_pc | I remember fsck running so much faster when I had a 20GB hdd instead of a 500 GB drive |
| 18:08.03 | carmony_pc | :P |
| 18:08.45 | Utah_Dave | carmony_pc: still sounds like a new MBP is in order. |
| 18:08.52 | carmony_pc | lol |
| 18:08.58 | carmony_pc | new MBP isn't in the budget |
| 18:09.29 | carmony_pc | New Furance, New AC, Sprinkler System, and Sod came before MBP |
| 18:11.55 | carmony_pc | Utah_Dave: so unless you want to get me a new MBP... ;) |
| 18:13.14 | fungus | those priorities are messed up. MBP > heat/cooling > grass |
| 18:14.00 | fungus | MBP > food/water/shelter |
| 18:15.23 | josephscott | haha |
| 18:21.04 | mgeary | yeah, man, a buddy just got a laptop with SSD. sigh. envy |
| 18:22.56 | mgeary | though i'm due for a desktop upgrade before i get a new laptop |
| 18:23.45 | josephscott | no more desktops, just laptops with SSD |
| 18:23.53 | SunSparc | mgeary: My laptop is my desktop. |
| 18:24.16 | mgeary | 8 cores |
| 18:24.21 | SunSparc | Yeah, my wife has a MBA. So light, quiet, and cool. |
| 18:24.27 | SunSparc | mgeary: true |
| 18:24.36 | SunSparc | If only I could get 8 cores in my MBP... |
| 18:24.39 | SunSparc | Someday... |
| 18:24.42 | SunSparc | Maybe next year. |
| 18:25.01 | redroy | MBP + Apple LED = programming bliss |
| 18:25.55 | mindjuju | what are you guys doing that require 8cores? |
| 18:26.05 | xtrementl | definitely prefer desktop box at home |
| 18:26.06 | mindjuju | video compression? |
| 18:26.06 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Video games, hello! |
| 18:26.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:26.25 | mindjuju | i thought the newest games were about gpu, not cpu, no? |
| 18:26.31 | SunSparc | mindjuju: My Portal2 needs to be flawless. |
| 18:26.44 | mgeary | mindjuju: yes |
| 18:27.11 | SunSparc | It is unfortunate that even the top of the line MBP does not have a better GPU. :( |
| 18:34.43 | josephscott | so, fusion-io IPO |
| 18:34.49 | mindjuju | another? |
| 18:35.28 | josephscott | yep, another proposed tech IPO, and another with zero revenue |
| 18:35.38 | josephscott | but at least they actually sell something |
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| 18:52.20 | mindjuju | well beandog, i decided on a backup program |
| 18:52.25 | mindjuju | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Bacula |
| 18:52.40 | mindjuju | mainly because docs on amanda seemed pretty sparse |
| 18:52.42 | fungus | lame, I just tried out a php webapp whose "config" table in the database is a single row with over 100 fields. WTF! |
| 18:53.04 | jsmith | fungus: Lovely.... |
| 18:53.05 | beandog | mindjuju: yah? |
| 18:53.12 | beandog | mindjuju: are you setting it up |
| 18:53.15 | mahelious | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=15870467 |
| 18:53.26 | mindjuju | @fungus, a php port of ms sharepoint perhaps? |
| 18:53.41 | mindjuju | @beandog, just starting the docs now, will install shortly |
| 18:54.35 | beandog | mindjuju: what kind of setup are you supporting |
| 18:55.17 | mindjuju | mixed environ winders 2k3, 2k, 2k8, centos, ubuntu OSs |
| 18:55.32 | mindjuju | backing up files, db backups, etc |
| 18:56.00 | fungus | mindjuju, http://www.freebsddiary.org/topics.php#bacula |
| 18:56.10 | fungus | Lots of good Bacula articles |
| 18:56.23 | beandog | mindjuju: what are you backing up to |
| 18:56.34 | fungus | Some are pretty old and other freebsd specific, but still some great overview and tutorials. |
| 18:56.34 | beandog | so do you have to install bacula on both clients and the server? |
| 18:56.56 | carmony | ok, I'm back up and running |
| 18:57.07 | mindjuju | beandog, have several 2TB drives i'd like to backup to |
| 18:57.16 | fungus | beandog, nearly all backup systems have a client that gets installed on hosts. |
| 18:57.18 | mindjuju | thx for links fungus! |
| 18:57.35 | beandog | fungus: okay |
| 18:58.11 | fungus | Clients facilitate easier implementations on the nodes themselves, as well as enable easy cross platform backup. |
| 19:11.28 | beandog | ~marketspeak fungus |
| 19:11.34 | beandog | okay |
| 19:11.40 | fungus | lol |
| 19:11.40 | beandog | I guess I can't ignore my stomach any longer |
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| 19:12.19 | herlo | ~ignore beandog |
| 19:12.19 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, beandog!" |
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| 20:10.48 | *** topic/#UPHPU is Utah PHP Users group | uphpu.org | Happy Birthday to mindjuju! |
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| 20:10.56 | mindjuju | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 20:10.56 | ibot | runs at DexterTheDragon with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 20:11.00 | mahelious | and my gamecube bongos? still have that crap too |
| 20:11.09 | mindjuju | yeah, see |
| 20:11.20 | beandog | mindjuju: I totally agree with you though. |
| 20:11.56 | mindjuju | i don't want you guys thinking i've got a bad attitude, but i'm wearing a new motto these days : I'm old, i don't understand it and i hate it |
| 20:12.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:12.23 | mahelious | to be fair, those bongos got so many girls on my couch they were worth it. but now that im married, whats the point? |
| 20:12.56 | beandog | that depends. do you have a basement? |
| 20:13.01 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 20:13.14 | beandog | okay, that was wrong .. |
| 20:13.30 | mindjuju | i'm going to see panda 2 today, i hope they don't ruin the first |
| 20:13.34 | beandog | mindjuju: dont do it! |
| 20:13.44 | mindjuju | have you s een it? |
| 20:13.46 | mindjuju | es bad? |
| 20:13.53 | beandog | mindjuju: I totally agree, tho, Ive sometimes sat with my laptop on my lap while watching tv ... it is totally eye-numbing. |
| 20:13.54 | mgeary | oh, i thought it was fun |
| 20:13.58 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It's a Trap! |
| 20:14.02 | beandog | ~lart mgeary |
| 20:14.02 | ibot | rm -rf's mgeary |
| 20:14.14 | beandog | how can a movie be fun? |
| 20:14.20 | beandog | did you get up and jiggle your butt in the middle? |
| 20:14.26 | mgeary | uh.... |
| 20:14.28 | mgeary | yes...? |
| 20:14.37 | beandog | o.O |
| 20:14.41 | mindjuju | wow |
| 20:14.44 | SunSparc | This conversation just turned interesting... |
| 20:14.53 | beandog | NSFL |
| 20:15.18 | mindjuju | corban really wants to watch it, so i figured ok |
| 20:15.21 | mindjuju | we go as family tonight |
| 20:16.23 | mindjuju | trying to decide if watch 3d and encourage them to make yet even more movies in 3d, or watch it in normal 2d |
| 20:16.36 | mindjuju | i wonder if they'll ever make movies in 4d |
| 20:16.44 | beandog | mindjuju: hey |
| 20:16.50 | beandog | have you heard about those new theaters megaplex is getting? |
| 20:16.52 | mindjuju | hay is for horses |
| 20:16.56 | beandog | where the seats move |
| 20:17.00 | beandog | I'm so stoked |
| 20:17.00 | mindjuju | really? |
| 20:17.03 | beandog | heck yah |
| 20:17.12 | beandog | its gonna be awesome. |
| 20:17.17 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to check that out |
| 20:17.37 | mindjuju | i think a movie theather with lazyboy recliners and a nice blankey would be awesome |
| 20:17.49 | mindjuju | second best, movie theater with nice chairs and good grub |
| 20:18.18 | herlo | mindjuju: build one in your basement |
| 20:18.38 | mahelious | i saw tron legacy in those DBox seats at the District |
| 20:18.39 | mahelious | meh |
| 20:18.42 | beandog | brewvies! |
| 20:18.54 | mindjuju | @herlo, i should |
| 20:19.18 | mindjuju | block out the little windows and pow, that could be cool |
| 20:19.23 | herlo | beandog: brewvies couches and recliners are worn out |
| 20:19.34 | beandog | herlo: pooie |
| 20:19.54 | herlo | beandog: yeah |
| 20:20.01 | josephscott | anyone been to the new theater in Draper? any good? |
| 20:20.03 | beandog | I havent been there yet |
| 20:20.09 | beandog | josephscott: draper? |
| 20:20.12 | beandog | is it a megaplex? |
| 20:20.16 | herlo | but it's still a fun experience to eat pizza and drink beer while watching a movie in a theatre :) |
| 20:20.31 | herlo | beandog: yes, it's on 12300 S iirc |
| 20:20.33 | josephscott | just a little ways behind In and Out |
| 20:20.41 | beandog | herlo: buh |
| 20:20.44 | herlo | haha, was just gonna say that josephscott |
| 20:20.49 | beandog | I wonder if thats the one with the mega seats |
| 20:20.51 | mahelious | its a cinemark, not a megaplex |
| 20:20.54 | beandog | I know they were talking about building a new one |
| 20:20.54 | josephscott | they built that thing fast |
| 20:20.54 | beandog | oh |
| 20:20.55 | beandog | meh |
| 20:21.05 | mahelious | heard the screens are huge |
| 20:21.42 | herlo | mahelious: I didn't think he meant brand |
| 20:31.58 | beandog | I need some kind of a script that parses apache's server-status output |
| 20:33.44 | jsmith-away | beandog: When you're finished writing it, let me know :-p |
| 20:33.54 | beandog | yah I think Im gonna write my own |
| 20:34.14 | beandog | the one that ships with apache doesnt do anything |
| 20:34.16 | beandog | :t |
| 20:36.49 | herlo | beandog: but it does, you must have not completed configuring it |
| 20:37.04 | beandog | I thought I configured it |
| 20:38.02 | fungus | beandog, here's one I use for cacti, but it's general enough to use elsewhere. |
| 20:38.04 | fungus | http://fpaste.org/b1EL/ |
| 20:43.17 | stderr- | anyone else going to see Super 8 this weekend? |
| 20:46.29 | beandog | I'm kinda meh on that one. |
| 20:47.24 | beandog | fungus: nice |
| 20:47.34 | beandog | thats what I was eventually gonna do, is send this on to cacti |
| 20:47.51 | beandog | fungus: whered you get this? |
| 20:47.59 | fungus | cacti forums |
| 20:49.00 | fungus | http://forums.cacti.net/about9861.html |
| 20:53.34 | beandog | thx mon |
| 20:53.34 | beandog | ~fungus++ |
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| 21:03.19 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 21:03.19 | raifbot | slaps jsmith-away around with a large trout. |
| 21:03.55 | jsmith-away | josephscott: Why do you have to treat me so bad :-p |
| 21:04.06 | josephscott | ~save jsmith-away |
| 21:04.07 | ibot | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves jsmith-away from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 21:04.18 | jsmith-away | Better :-) |
| 21:20.39 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011pstb |
| 21:36.12 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: actually here's the video http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00hdsyn |
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| 21:40.11 | beandog | anybody ever play with solaris |
| 21:40.16 | beandog | or open solaris, I guess. |
| 21:54.52 | SunSparc | laterz |
| 22:32.05 | mindjuju | ~lart idiots |
| 22:32.05 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, idiots, this won't hurt a bit...." |
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