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02:17.22Heartsbaneherlo: ping
02:23.38Heartsbaneherlo: nevermind ... It was Fedora Virtualization question and I fingered it out
02:23.53Heartsbaneplease disregard
02:31.04herlokk
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02:59.29carmonyHeartsbane: hey man, hows it going?
03:01.31Heartsbaneit seems to go a lot of places... philosophically speaking it is quite distressing that it never goes where I want to go
03:04.03carmonyyeah, that is never fun
03:04.08carmonywhere are you working these days?
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15:13.14beandogman, I tell you what
15:13.20beandogsome days its nice being a dev, so you can fix stuff yourself.
15:13.57herlohehe, and it's great using free software, otherwise you'd have to pay for the privilege
15:14.16beandogherlo: seriously
15:14.18beandog^5
15:14.28beandogherlo knows what I'm talking about
15:14.47herlo:)
15:15.01herlowith software!
15:17.51beandogI really suck at diffs.
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15:25.42mindjujuhappy bday eggyknap
15:26.09eggyknapAw, thx :)
15:26.20mindjujuhow old are you?
15:26.22eggyknap32
15:26.27mindjujui'm guessing 31?
15:26.32mindjujumaybe 32?
15:27.07herloeggyknap: dude! You is old!
15:27.32mindjujubut how old?  his facebook pic makes me think he's around 30, tops
15:27.37mindjuju32 is streching
15:27.51mindjujucourse, old man mgeary looks pretty young, last time i saw him
15:28.34mgearythat's me. My secret is Oil of Olay
15:29.43eggyknapmindjuju: I'm 32 *now* I haven't updated that pic in a few yearse.
15:29.46eggyknaper, years.
15:29.54mindjujuoh yeah!
15:29.59eggyknapThat's from a family picture where my now-5-year-old is not quite 1.
15:31.13mindjujuusually when you guess somebody's age, you get a prize.  i'll collect mine in the form of a sql query some year when i've got a question :)
15:31.32eggyknapI can handle that.
15:32.11beandogmgeary: lol
15:32.15mgearyyou know, mindjuju, i totally thought i'd win that booth game at Lagoon, where the guy guesses your age, because i used to think i *did* look young for my years
15:32.27mgearybam. he nailed it within a year in seconds
15:32.50mindjujuyou do look young for your many years, but he prolly guessed high since you were so confident he'd not guess
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15:37.58DexterTheDragonmgeary: both beandog and I beat that game at lagoon
15:38.06beandog\o/
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15:48.10carmonywhew, I almost screwed up our dev server :P
15:48.23carmonyon accidently ran the gitolite install as root
15:48.38herlocarmony: don't do that!
15:48.44carmonyI undid it
15:48.46carmony:P
15:48.48herlohehe
15:49.01carmonybut I had a minor panic attack when I realized I couldn't ssh into the box
15:49.50herloyeah, you shouldn't ssh as root anyway
15:50.08carmonyyeah, I'm gonna disable that now
15:50.09carmony:P
15:50.16herlo:)
15:50.51carmonygitolite is pretty cool
15:51.37beandogyah?
15:51.42beandogdoes it manage git repos
15:52.00herlobeandog: it does, and has some cool rights control too
15:52.09beandogright on.  we're using gitorious.
15:52.12herlocarmony: yeah, I've done amazing things with it
15:52.34herlobeandog: yeah, but gitorious can't control per branch rights
15:52.40herloat least last I checked
15:53.51carmonyat first I was trying to fight apache to host it
15:54.05carmonythen I was like "why do more work for less security and performance?"
15:55.09beandoguh
15:55.13beandogwouldnt apache have *more* security?
15:55.21herlobeandog: than ssh?
15:55.24beandogIm trying to cram gitorious in apache for that reason
15:56.03beandogherlo: gitolite
15:56.16herlobeandog: gitolite uses ssh
15:56.27beandogI think he was talking about the web services.
15:56.36herloyeah, gitolite doesn't provide them
15:56.53herloyou use gitweb or something else
15:57.00beandogoh, whut?
15:57.02beandogthat's weird.
15:57.06herlono, it isn't
15:57.06beandogwhat does gitolite even do then
15:57.14herlobeandog: it's a secure git server
15:57.33beandogoh, its just a server.
15:57.35beandoggotcha.
15:57.42herloit integrates with tools like gitweb to provide the web interface, if needed
15:58.01herlobeandog: much more than 'just a server'. It's got tons of features that others don't
15:58.11beandogyah, Im reading.  Looks nice!
15:58.15herloever heard of wildcard repos?
15:58.27beandognope
15:58.29herloI use them in Silver to make camps repos easy to create
15:59.48herloyou can have a creator, who can then grant read and write access to others sdf
16:00.04herlogawd I hate my connection right now
16:00.28herloyou can control which branches are read/write and for whom
16:00.35beandogintresting.
16:00.57carmonylol
16:01.03carmonyI'm not the best sysadmin in the world
16:01.14beandogdon't tell your boss that
16:01.34carmonylol
16:02.14beandogmindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY
16:02.16herloyeah, think about it this way. If you want to only let certain people have access to master for deploys, everyone else can commit to only certain branches
16:02.26beandog[head dance]
16:03.09mindjujulove it beandog
16:03.42beandogwhy can't we have people like that on american idol?
16:03.45beandogthe system has failed me.
16:03.55mindjujuword
16:04.27herlobeandog: because american idol is about keeping the norm, not providing alternatives to mainstream
16:04.46beandog~buzzkill herlo
16:07.10herloheh
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17:02.01SunSparc~Chuck
17:02.01ibot[chuck] the freebsd daemon
17:02.19SunSparc~chuck Chuck
17:06.57carmonyok, I got a 350 mb git repo hosted on gitolite
17:06.58carmonysweet
17:28.40utahconherlo: you missed the point of American Idol completely!
17:28.46utahconIt is to make money, lots and lots of money.
17:28.54utahconPrimarily from Ford and Coke.
17:31.21beandogcoke is gross
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17:53.36fungus~beandog--
17:53.42fungusHeresy!
17:57.04mindjujunot only that, but beandog is from georgia, home state to Coke
17:57.08mindjujuthat's like double whammy
17:57.21beandogaye
17:57.23mindjujuhe's required by southern law to enjoy a cool refreshing coke at least daily
17:57.24beandogI've been to the Coke Museum
17:57.46beandogand something
17:57.58mindjujualternatively, he can pour a coke over a ham and roast it and consume coke that way
17:58.01mindjujuit's kosher
17:58.36jsmithBut... it comes from corn!
18:00.44fungusMessage from Corn Growers of America?
18:01.25mindjujuso whats the deal with hfcs ?   hear good / hear bad
18:01.36mindjujutruthly i'm laying off sugars no matter where they are
18:01.55mindjujuwell, accept for the ones in fruit
18:02.15DexterTheDragonit's "corn sugar". hfcs is a dirty word
18:03.14mindjujuare we sure this isn't a fued between sugar cane and hfcs?  
18:03.23mindjujulike the beef v pork fights from a couple years ago?
18:03.35jsmithAnd don't forget beet sugar!
18:04.14mindjujuoh, i just heard a little while back that we get a lot from beets!  who knew?
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18:05.02jsmithmindjuju: The sugar beet industry, obviously :-p
18:06.04beandoghfcs = nasty stuff
18:06.41stderr-sugar in large amounts is generally bad for you.  If you want to get in shape step one is to stop drinking soda and other incredibly high sugar packed beverages/snacks.
18:08.27stderr-I believe eco lost a large amount of weight just by cutting down on his soda intake
18:08.42stderr-oh he isn't in here anymore.
18:09.10herloutahcon: heh
18:10.45stderr-I haven't had a non-diet soda in years.
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18:14.30mindjujumore of a treat that way than a common everyd day thing
18:15.36beandogfungus needs to lose weight
18:15.48beandogso he can fly
18:18.36herlosugar is good for the liver!
18:18.47herloit's that crappy HFCS that we need to worry about!
18:20.25mindjujui still wonder about a grudge match between 2 things that aren't so good for you
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18:21.12herloit's all okay in moderation, no?
18:21.51jsmithherlo: Well, when you say "sugar", are you talking glucose, fructose, or a specific ratio between the two
18:22.16herlojsmith: the grains
18:23.02herlosarcasm tag was missing
18:23.13jsmithI got that in context :-p
18:23.28jsmithI'd rather have a fat tire than a fatty liver
18:24.41wpsif you prepay a year of hosting by then cancel halfway through… would you expect to get money back for the amount you hadn't used?
18:24.48wpss/by/but/
18:25.09mindjujugenerally, i would think no
18:25.28mindjujubut i guess it depends on who you're with
18:26.10wpsit's with wps-hosting :)
18:26.14herloand the contract
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18:26.26herloprobably some sort of penalty.
18:26.32wpsthe contract didn't specify
18:26.40wpsthe customer isn't asking
18:26.52wpsI'm just consider–to ensure that I'm completely honest
18:27.27herloLike if you are getting say $5/month off for prepaying, you get penalized that $5 for each month, then return the difference, plus any administrative costs
18:27.44wpsthe problem is that there are multiple things they purchased… hosting, static IP, digital cert
18:27.54herlodo it for each?
18:27.56wpsthey didn't get any discount for pre-paying
18:28.03jsmithwps: Prorate the hosting, charge them full price for IPs and certs?
18:28.28wpsthe digital cert that I sold them… I had to pay for it in advance… so the money is already gone for that
18:28.29mindjujuthat sounds pretty fair
18:28.40wpsso I can't give them a pro-rated amount back for that
18:29.19herlosounds like it's just administrative costs then
18:29.29wpsso I'm just thinking of keeping it all simple… straight across… you pay in advance and it's all non-refundable
18:29.33herlomaybe that's all of it, or maybe that's a percentage
18:29.41mindjujualternatively, if they went out of business or something, you could just continue hosting to the new business
18:29.51mindjujueither in the form of forwarding from old url to new url
18:29.53mindjujuetc
18:30.04wpsanother topic:
18:30.18wpsit looks like DynDNS is finally going to make the EveryDNS customers migrate
18:30.29wpshas anyone heard whether they are still going to offer the service for free?
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18:31.47ninnypants$chuck-fact
18:31.48raifbotChuck Norris was in all 6 Star Wars movies............... As The Force.
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18:32.01macnewboldnice
18:33.04herlohaha
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19:05.15maheliousNoCoolName_Tom: looks like your connection is working?  :)
19:07.23NoCoolName_TomI'm working on some stuff with bitlbee and irssi.  Am I spamming or something?
19:07.58NoCoolName_TomSorry; I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I'm actually pretty new to irc.
19:08.44maheliousyoure fine
19:08.52stderr-people can ignore joins and parts, don't worry about it
19:10.57NoCoolName_TomAh, I see.  Well, I really should hook this up behind screen; that should prevent the constant in and out.
19:11.07herloNoCoolName_Tom: I ignore them, so didn't see your joins or parts
19:20.05redroyI don't ignore them, but I don't care either :)
19:27.12beandogwps: everydns is migrating?  nooooooooooooo
19:27.39beandogthis is my big chance to run my completely legit and reliable public dns server from home.
19:59.04wpsyeah, beandog
19:59.05wpssad day
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20:34.02mgearyromanovic-afk: ping
20:41.40beandogokay
20:41.40beandogso
20:41.57beandogwhat do you guys do to get apache statistics
20:42.23beandogserver-status is cool
20:42.30beandogbut I wanna run something if all heck is breaking loose
20:42.38beandogdoesn't ab double as a diagnostic tool, I think
20:45.12NoCoolName_TomI pretty much just use server-status.  I haven't really put the time I should into messing with apache.
20:45.41NoCoolName_TomSo I'm also interested in what other people use.
20:45.41mindjujumunin is a great way to monitor historical data about apache
20:45.53mindjujuit helps put in perspective what is normal for the server and what is not
20:46.23beandogNoCoolName_Tom: okay, thats what Im looking at right now
20:46.27mindjujuso for example, the other day, our seo guy got us put on reddit again, was able to see what was out of normal range and make changes appropriate
20:46.28beandogmunin
20:46.32beandogmeh.
20:46.43beandogI can't get it working
20:46.44beandog:C
20:48.06NoCoolName_Tombeandog: can't get munin working or server-status?
20:48.16mindjujumunin
20:48.20NoCoolName_TomAh
20:48.21beandogmunin
20:48.27beandogit throws some nasty perl errors on my boxes.
20:48.28beandog:C
20:49.14mindjujulike really complex perl errors or nasty like naughty (PG - 13, R, etc) perl errors?
20:49.22mindjujujust curious
20:49.39beandoguh
20:49.45beandogI dont remember, that was last week.
20:50.05beandogI'll try it again sometime I'm sure.
20:50.09beandogit's just too tempting.
20:50.31mindjujui'll help as much as i can, but i don't know perl
20:50.59mindjujusomewhere in the vortex of knowledge between josephscott, fungus and herlo, i was able to get it running
20:51.40beandoga triumvirate vortex of support.
20:52.19mindjuju:)
20:52.32beandogokay, Imma try server-status for now .
20:52.34beandogIt's something.
20:52.35beandogI guess.
20:53.45mindjujuyou know beandog, you could make a mini-munin on your own with grep
20:53.51mindjujuand grep out these two lines
20:53.59beandogwhat two
20:54.03mindjujuCPU usage
20:54.07mindjujurequests/sec
20:54.49mindjujuso right now, i'm running 6.52/sec which means we're heading to the peak activity for the day
20:56.24beandogwhut
20:56.29fungusbeandog, server-status is usually used as the method to collect stats about Apache.
20:56.51fungusYou then attach Munin, Cacti, Nagios, etc. to the server-status to monitor that data.
20:57.07beandogfungus: ok
20:57.21beandogI'd love to get munin to work though
20:57.21beandogHmm
20:57.23stderr-aw yea making my hot wings tonight
20:57.28beandogmaybe I'll try it again
20:57.39mindjuju@stderr- baked or fried?
20:57.42mindjujuwhat sauce ?
20:57.53stderr-grilled
20:57.55fungusbeandog, those were just examples.  I'm sure monit can gather and monitor that data as well
20:58.08stderr-I use Frank's as a base
20:58.08beandogfungus: well monit just checks to see if things are okay, pretty much
20:58.16beandogbut yah, I was gonna setup monit to log the data if something was awry
20:58.17mindjujufranks is good, i like franks
20:58.23stderr-mix honey and butter into it along with a couple of spices
20:59.04stderr-http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150158838976051&set=a.87553991050.93844.504446050&type=1&theater here's a pic and my recipe if you're interested, mindjuju
20:59.34mindjujuman that looks good
20:59.52stderr-I have gotten many a compliment on them, I really dig the dry rub and grilled flavor
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21:14.13DexterTheDragonSunSparc: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/shuttle_station/features/sts-134_launch_photo-video.html
21:41.05SunSparcDexterTheDragon: That is frickin awesome!!!
22:01.10carmonyDexterTheDragon: that is sweet!
22:02.01beandogneeds more martians
22:20.20beandoghmm, security fail
22:20.33beandogI wrote a password on a sticky, and my wood desk got an impression of it.
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22:22.01herlodsf
22:22.06herlogah!
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22:36.39DexterTheDragonbeandog: http://i.imgur.com/eqruW.jpg
22:36.41beandogI'm wondering if I should just try nagios.
22:36.50beandogDexterTheDragon: lols
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23:00.13SunSparcPeace Out!!!
23:00.42mgearyWar In!
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