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| 15:09.08 | NoCoolName_Tom | ? |
| 15:09.14 | NoCoolName_Tom | Whoops, sorry. Typo. |
| 15:10.48 | carmony_ | goooood mornign |
| 15:10.52 | herlo | hi |
| 15:11.10 | herlo | srsly, how can a '?' be a typo? |
| 15:11.16 | herlo | '?' are awesome! |
| 15:11.21 | NoCoolName_Tom | I thought I was in a different window. |
| 15:11.34 | NoCoolName_Tom | lol |
| 15:11.40 | herlo | NoCoolName_Tom: you should get a cooler name :) |
| 15:12.10 | herlo | like TomIsACoolName_Tom |
| 15:13.02 | NoCoolName_Tom | It is a cool name. I'll think about it. :) |
| 15:15.24 | herlo | :) |
| 15:15.42 | mindjuju | i think moTom is better |
| 15:15.58 | mgeary | MoBetterTom |
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| 15:16.32 | mindjuju | yeah, but moBetterTom isn't an anagram or, err |
| 15:16.46 | mindjuju | what's it called when it's the same backward and forward |
| 15:17.10 | skinner | Palindrome |
| 15:17.18 | mindjuju | ah yes,Palindrome |
| 15:17.36 | mindjuju | i had the word dinglehopper stuck in my head and couldn't fixate off of it |
| 15:17.43 | skinner | lol |
| 15:17.46 | mgeary | doesn't fungus have a level 48 Palindrome? |
| 15:17.54 | skinner | haha nice |
| 15:18.17 | herlo | ~dinglehopper |
| 15:18.36 | herlo | Something that one does not readily recall the name of. |
| 15:18.48 | herlo | so that's pretty awesome! |
| 15:18.56 | mindjuju | dinglehopper is also an alternate name for a fork |
| 15:19.18 | herlo | sure |
| 15:19.23 | skinner | Doppelgänger is another fun word |
| 15:19.25 | mindjuju | as in, Frank, can you pass me that dinglehopper, i'd like to style my hair with it |
| 15:19.35 | herlo | from the little mermaid |
| 15:19.50 | herlo | skinner: but Dr Who's version was pretty rad in the latest episodes |
| 15:19.57 | herlo | s/but// |
| 15:20.00 | ninnypants | mornin |
| 15:20.10 | herlo | ninnypants: !!!! HALLLOOOOO!!! |
| 15:20.40 | ninnypants | herlo: how goes today? |
| 15:21.04 | mgeary | wait, it's today already?? |
| 15:21.18 | herlo | ninnypants: goes well |
| 15:21.21 | mindjuju | today is thursday ,and not a moment too soon |
| 15:21.29 | mindjuju | i need to sleep in, i'm pooped |
| 15:21.30 | herlo | mgeary: unfortunately for you, it *always* is today :) |
| 15:21.45 | mgeary | yeah. like my own private Groundhog day |
| 15:21.47 | mindjuju | i'm an old man for crying out loud |
| 15:21.48 | mgeary | forever and ever |
| 15:21.49 | herlo | mgeary: fortunately for me, it *always* is today :) |
| 15:21.58 | herlo | tomorrow never comes |
| 15:22.02 | herlo | it just becomes today |
| 15:22.39 | ninnypants | heh makes it easier to say I'll get to that today and not be lieing ;) |
| 15:22.54 | herlo | lol |
| 15:22.55 | herlo | yup |
| 15:23.20 | mgeary | has anyone here ever worked with H.323 streaming? |
| 15:23.22 | herlo | ninnypants: better yet, you can put something off indefinitely by saying 'I will get to it tomorrow' :) |
| 15:23.56 | mgeary | jsmith: ? |
| 15:24.02 | herlo | mgeary: I've worked with shoutcast/icecast and rtsp, but h323, nope. |
| 15:24.13 | jsmith | mgeary: Sorry, not really... |
| 15:24.21 | jsmith | mgeary: H.323 is ugly |
| 15:24.30 | mgeary | oh yeah? |
| 15:24.40 | mindjuju | it's old too |
| 15:24.53 | jsmith | mgeary: H.323 isn't a standard -- it's a bunch of slightly-incompatible vendor-specific "standards" that don't play well together |
| 15:24.54 | mindjuju | like milli vinilli old |
| 15:25.24 | mgeary | mindjuju: hey, I'm Milli Vanilli old |
| 15:25.25 | jsmith | The nice things about H.323 is that everybody screwed it up in a different (and incompatible) way |
| 15:25.46 | mgeary | interesting |
| 15:26.03 | mindjuju | josephscott was trying to get me onto h323 when i was arguing that html 5 couldn't handle video in certain situations |
| 15:26.11 | mindjuju | if i recall correctly |
| 15:26.43 | josephscott | it is 2011, for most cases I shouldn't have to load flash just to watch a video |
| 15:26.56 | josephscott | (insert grumpy old man reference) |
| 15:27.01 | mgeary | well, that's more a case for H.264 |
| 15:27.22 | josephscott | and it's H.264, not 323 |
| 15:27.30 | josephscott | yeah, what mgeary said :-) |
| 15:27.36 | josephscott | $lart flash video |
| 15:27.37 | raifbot | smacks flash video up side the head with a clue-by-4. |
| 15:27.41 | jsmith | Yeah, H.264 != H.323 |
| 15:28.04 | mindjuju | i understand the difference, we were talking about video where the creator didn't want to have his video downloaded |
| 15:28.15 | mindjuju | and I was arguing that only flash video gets you close to that |
| 15:28.15 | josephscott | $google h.3223 |
| 15:28.16 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=h.322%083 -- http://eu.sabotage.org/www/ITU/H/H0322e.pdf -- http://xcache.lighttpd.net/raw-attachment/ticket/51/pfSense-xcache-bt.txt -- http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D13%26t%3D90264 |
| 15:28.29 | mindjuju | and the we were talking alternatives |
| 15:28.47 | josephscott | mindjuju: yes, but I think the premise if flawed for that use case |
| 15:29.00 | mindjuju | how so? |
| 15:29.06 | josephscott | doesn't stop anyone from pointing a video camera at the screen |
| 15:29.12 | mindjuju | sure |
| 15:29.18 | mindjuju | or screen capping it |
| 15:29.35 | mindjuju | but it gets you pretty darn close to that, everything short of those 2 options, and no, they ain't getting it |
| 15:29.41 | josephscott | actually for some cases scraping it can be prevented, or at least made very hard |
| 15:29.51 | herlo | with gstreamer, they have this concept of 'monitors' wherein you can capture the monitored audio or video |
| 15:29.55 | mindjuju | that's like saying, well, they can crack bank safes, so why bother? |
| 15:29.55 | josephscott | mindjuju: I wouldn't hold my breath on that |
| 15:30.08 | mindjuju | some protection better than none |
| 15:30.10 | josephscott | mindjuju: totally different |
| 15:30.17 | mindjuju | sure, you can't stop the elite, but you can stop everybody else |
| 15:30.33 | herlo | so, if it can be output onto your computer, there's a monitor for it. Thus nothing can totally be protected. The law is really the last real protection, and that's broken, too |
| 15:30.33 | josephscott | all safes can be cracked, everyone realizes that. That is why they are rated on difficulty/time of cracking |
| 15:31.07 | josephscott | pointing my phone, that I carry around every where isn't much of a barrier :-) |
| 15:31.37 | mgeary | i take it the discussion was about the best way(s) to secure video from being misappropriated? |
| 15:31.42 | herlo | I think we're talking about keeping honest people honest, nothing more. The last 2% are going to do whatever they want and you can't stop them. This doesn't mean you shouldn't continually make it more challenging. |
| 15:32.04 | josephscott | but that goes to my original point, to claim that using flash some how makes your videos safe from being copied is just ignoring the ways around it |
| 15:32.14 | herlo | yes, totally agree |
| 15:32.30 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 15:32.33 | josephscott | now you might claim that flash makes it harder in some cases, that would be a reasonable claim |
| 15:32.53 | mindjuju | huh? isn't that what i've been arguing for the last like 10 minutes? |
| 15:32.55 | josephscott | but to go beyond that wouldn't be honest |
| 15:33.09 | mgeary | well, what makes it harder is if you go through RTMP or RTSP, but you can do that without Flash, as well |
| 15:33.45 | mindjuju | @josephscott - (9:29:36 AM) mindjuju: but it gets you pretty darn close to that, everything short of those 2 options, and no, they ain't getting it |
| 15:33.51 | mindjuju | here's me saying that exact same thing |
| 15:34.04 | herlo | mgeary: but only to a point. It still has to come out somewhere, at which point, it can be obtained |
| 15:34.09 | josephscott | not quite |
| 15:34.21 | josephscott | clever hackers are always coming up with new stuff |
| 15:34.31 | mgeary | herlo: "harder" ^^ |
| 15:34.44 | josephscott | so saying that they only way they could ever get it is to do X or Y would be risky at best |
| 15:34.50 | herlo | mgeary: :) |
| 15:35.05 | josephscott | and it is framed from a different angle |
| 15:35.07 | herlo | mgeary: that's what she said...couldn't resist |
| 15:35.09 | mgeary | and as far as i have seem, tools like rtmpcatcher are still far too difficult for Joe Video Watcher to use |
| 15:35.17 | mgeary | ~lart herlo |
| 15:35.17 | ibot | forces herlo to use Outlook Express |
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| 15:36.18 | herlo | mgeary: isn't that going to be problematic? At some point, you make your users go through thousands of hoops just to get the video they legitimately allowed? |
| 15:36.30 | mindjuju | not quite herlo |
| 15:36.46 | mindjuju | with flash video, you can get them as close to capture safe, and have it play at the click of a button |
| 15:36.53 | mgeary | herlo: hey, all i did is point out that it's not using Flash that makes videos harder to get, it's using a streaming protocol. Don't go making me your strawman |
| 15:37.01 | herlo | mindjuju: I was referring specifically to the case of rtmpcatcher he mentioned |
| 15:37.12 | mindjuju | ah |
| 15:37.49 | herlo | mgeary: oh, I'm not trying to prove a point with that, I just think that there is always going to be a hole in the system no matter how hard you try. |
| 15:38.03 | mgeary | besides people in our position are typically the service providers, not the content owners. While we can try to educate our customers about the realities surrounding attempts to control media, ultimately, they pay us to do what they want us to do |
| 15:38.08 | mindjuju | any who, @herlo, did you see that red5 hit 1.0 ? |
| 15:38.17 | mindjuju | i need to find a reason to launch it to give it a try |
| 15:38.19 | stderr- | I like you as a strawman, mgeary. It's complimentary. |
| 15:38.35 | mgeary | just keep me away from matches |
| 15:38.54 | herlo | The argument I make, however is this. Try looking at it from the alternate perspective. Do you like it when movie industries or music industries try to prevent you from using the music/movie you *purchased* in the name of keeping the media safe? |
| 15:39.19 | mindjuju | so i see a small but important difference there |
| 15:39.24 | stderr- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.28 | herlo | To me, this is not really any different, just a perspective switch |
| 15:39.53 | mindjuju | would be similar to comapare broadcasting a movie in a theater (which is for a 1x exposure) and training videos secured so that you don't copy them |
| 15:39.55 | mgeary | oh, i agree |
| 15:40.04 | mindjuju | you buy the DVD, that's yours to keep |
| 15:40.10 | mindjuju | do what you will, with that |
| 15:40.22 | mindjuju | if BGM sold the training vids, man, i'd be all for ripping, etc |
| 15:40.33 | mindjuju | but this isn't that, this is watching as you would in a theater, and that's different |
| 15:40.41 | herlo | I don't know... |
| 15:40.47 | herlo | think screencap |
| 15:40.58 | mindjuju | think cellphone recording in a movie theater |
| 15:41.05 | herlo | same thing |
| 15:41.10 | mindjuju | right, and both wrong |
| 15:41.11 | herlo | just one is better quality |
| 15:41.35 | herlo | mindjuju: I wasn't arguing whether it was a good or bad thing morally, I was arguing it didn't matter |
| 15:41.59 | herlo | people are people and they are going to do this if they want it bad enough. Period. Again, we're just keeping honest people honest. |
| 15:42.00 | mindjuju | k, in that case, i'm going to have to go back and reread your arguments, cause i'm not following |
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| 15:42.33 | herlo | the statement you made is that using flash makes it harder to obtain said media, no? |
| 15:42.49 | stderr- | man, is this a thinly disguised argument about the decriminalization of drugs? |
| 15:43.00 | herlo | stderr-: ooh, that'd be fun! |
| 15:43.16 | mindjuju | i would agree with that statement, we used flash to make it harder to take copies of the training videos |
| 15:43.17 | mindjuju | yes |
| 15:43.56 | mindjuju | and by using flash, we were able to put in protections in place to try to protect the video, and yet, make it easily playable |
| 15:44.08 | stderr- | j/k, nowadays I have a weekly window of 30 minutes where I'm willing to argue politics, and now isn't the time. |
| 15:44.22 | herlo | mindjuju: then my argument stands. |
| 15:44.47 | herlo | mindjuju: in literaly 10 minutes of accessing your video and replaying it maybe 2 times, I can obtain it. |
| 15:45.12 | mindjuju | ok, i told bill good that it was impossible to make it 100% safe he knew that |
| 15:45.12 | herlo | Assuming I had all the tools ready, but they are clearly available to me. |
| 15:45.17 | herlo | :) |
| 15:45.33 | mindjuju | i'm failing to link that to an argument that flash shouldn't be used at all |
| 15:46.27 | mindjuju | you're right, i can't protect it from you, but i can protect it from John Q. Stockbroker, and that is what is important |
| 15:47.07 | mindjuju | sure, 1 in 100 stock brokers could take it, and there is nothing i can do about that, but the 99 can't, and that's where he wanted it |
| 15:48.33 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm just saying that flash is no better than using webm technologies or anything else when it comes right down to someone obtaining your media. Nothing more. |
| 15:49.10 | mindjuju | didn't realize that webm allowed for real-time streaming, i thought it was just progressive |
| 15:49.28 | herlo | If you want me to argue against flash, that's much easier. It's closed source, it breaks firefox and other browsers more often than any other compoenent. While it's fun to play games on, it's about the only useful thing that other tech can't seem to figure out and embed in a browser. |
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| 15:50.15 | herlo | vp8 is just a protocol, its predecessor can definitely be streamed. I honestly have to admit that I haven't looked at the specs of vp8, but I would be surprised if it couldn't be streamed. |
| 15:50.46 | mindjuju | not streamed in general - progressive streaming is fine, it's real-time streaming that's different |
| 15:50.56 | mindjuju | rtmps |
| 15:51.31 | mindjuju | with progressive, the entire vid is downloaded to cache |
| 15:51.40 | mahelious | heh. Muad`Dib has the voice. just got that. |
| 15:51.55 | Muad`Dib | :) |
| 15:51.58 | mindjuju | with real-time, just what is being viewed + buffer is being sent and played, nothing saved (no fishing in your cache to pull out the vid) |
| 15:52.06 | Muad`Dib | My name is a killing word... |
| 15:52.20 | mahelious | your gom-jabbar? |
| 15:52.28 | Muad`Dib | Indeed. |
| 15:53.03 | mindjuju | i'd rather know Muaad'Dib as Usul |
| 15:53.46 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You would have to be on friendly terms with him. |
| 15:54.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:05.13 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:12.58 | skinner | La Sagrada Familia is one of my favorites of theirs |
| 16:15.41 | mindjuju | @skinner, i'll have to check that one after this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOg5VxrRTi0 finishes |
| 16:17.15 | skinner | This is the version I had: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebng2-OrYOM |
| 16:18.21 | skinner | Nice, love Duran Duran |
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| 16:32.01 | carmony | ok, blog post written |
| 16:32.04 | carmony | must do some work now |
| 16:32.22 | skinner | awww, you brought out Styx.... :D |
| 16:32.48 | mindjuju | :), love suite madam blue, never heard it with the prelude 12 |
| 16:33.04 | mindjuju | heard SMB was write as an ode to the Statue of Liberty |
| 16:33.07 | mindjuju | VERY cool |
| 16:42.54 | josephscott | $weather 84092 |
| 16:42.55 | raifbot | 3josephscott - 0,2current weather for 84092 - Partly Cloudy 55f / 13c Humidity: 42% Wind: NW at 16 mph |
| 16:43.10 | josephscott | amazing that we are in June and still haven't hit 80 yet |
| 16:43.59 | mahelious | still snow on squaw and timp |
| 16:45.25 | herlo | josephscott: next week is my hope :) |
| 16:45.33 | stderr- | we hit 80 yesterday |
| 16:46.16 | josephscott | hmmm, forecast says 79 for Monday and then 66 and storms on Tuesday |
| 16:46.26 | josephscott | this could be a very interesting summer |
| 16:46.33 | josephscott | or lack of summer |
| 16:47.06 | jsmith | Be careful what you wish for -- we've hit high nineties here the past couple of days |
| 16:47.35 | herlo | jsmith: I'm not wishing for that |
| 16:47.58 | josephscott | I'm not interested in getting too hot too fast (would like to avoid floods), but low 80s would be nice |
| 16:49.32 | herlo | But you know as well as I that it won't happen that way. We're going to skip right over the 80s to 95 for 6 weeks straight :( |
| 16:50.57 | skinner | nah |
| 16:51.00 | skinner | 95 for a week |
| 16:51.13 | skinner | maybe two |
| 16:51.17 | skinner | then 100 for a week |
| 16:51.23 | skinner | then july 105 for 4 weeks |
| 16:51.24 | skinner | lol |
| 16:52.16 | herlo | usually we don't get more than 2 weeks of 100+ weather up here |
| 16:52.43 | herlo | but mid-high 90s for 6 weeks is not unusual |
| 16:53.08 | josephscott | need a weather announcement: summer re-scheduled to 10 days during August, plan accordingly |
| 16:53.21 | stderr- | I think "usual" has been thrown out the window this weather season |
| 16:53.21 | skinner | hehe |
| 16:53.28 | herlo | stderr-: agreed |
| 16:53.52 | josephscott | when I moved here from Sacramento people kept telling me how much I'd enjoy having all four seasons |
| 16:54.03 | skinner | isn't utah weather unpredictable normally? an hour of rain, followed by 90 degree weather, with the day ending with a hail storm at 50 degrees |
| 16:54.04 | josephscott | not so much it seems :-) |
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| 16:58.22 | Utah_Dave | If I'm working in a feature branch in git and want to pull a newly added feature from master into that feature branch, is it as simple as "git merge master"? |
| 16:59.23 | stderr- | if you want every commit in master that doesn't exist in feature, yes |
| 17:00.17 | stderr- | I'd probably become comfortable with git rebase though, since that would be an excellent way to become easily familiar with it |
| 17:00.45 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I can help you with that a little |
| 17:01.00 | Utah_Dave | What's the difference between a merge and rebase? I've read a bit about rebase a little and it's still not clear in my head |
| 17:01.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ |
| 17:01.35 | herlo | Utah_Dave: essentially, they accomplish the same things. However with rebase, you can use the -i switch to pick and choose which commits get included |
| 17:02.11 | Utah_Dave | OK. In this instance I want everything so this branch doesn't get too out of date. |
| 17:02.27 | stderr- | still use rebase just to become familiar with it :) |
| 17:03.12 | herlo | Utah_Dave: one of the switches I commonly use in git merge is --no-ff |
| 17:03.28 | Utah_Dave | What does --no-ff do for you? |
| 17:03.55 | herlo | Utah_Dave: it allows me to say, put these commits here and it will write a nice merge message right above them saying the name of the branch. I tend to name my branches for the features or bugs I'm working on... |
| 17:04.08 | herlo | --no-ff means no fast-forwarding |
| 17:04.42 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I'm reading that right now. Nice, so you always know that these certain commits came from work in a certain branch |
| 17:04.44 | herlo | usually a merge is first forwarded to the HEAD and placed there, but --no-ff just puts the commits where they go. |
| 17:05.03 | herlo | Utah_Dave: essentially. I mean it can still get messed up, but it's nice to see them together like that in history |
| 17:05.29 | josephscott | $lart seg faults |
| 17:05.29 | raifbot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on seg faults. |
| 17:05.36 | herlo | Utah_Dave: if you read the link I sent, it talks more about --no-ff too |
| 17:06.14 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, that's where I'm reading about it right now. Thanks for that link. I think I had run across that page a while ago, but hadn't bookmarked it. |
| 17:10.01 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I love gitflow |
| 17:11.47 | influx | When created through a php script ( e.g. $db->query( 'CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE ...' ); ), should that table exist until the end of the script (or earlier if explicitly closed) ? |
| 17:13.25 | influx | What I'm trying to do is create that temporary table, and fill it with some data, then insert the table's data into an array for manipulation. The problem seems to be that after I create that temporary table, I can't do anything else with it; that is, it seems that the table disappears after creation. |
| 17:13.31 | influx | At some point before I try to work with it. |
| 17:14.34 | influx | I understand that the table should last until the end of the session (I've seen it work as it should through the CLI) but what constitutes a session when accessing the database through PHP? |
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| 17:18.48 | beandog | influx: if the database connection closes. |
| 17:19.12 | beandog | I remember running into that problem once. Don't remember what I had to do. I think explicitly open a new one, and close it. |
| 17:19.39 | beandog | Does anyone have any recommendations for any web-based file managers |
| 17:19.51 | beandog | extplorer is nice, but it corrupts everything I download. |
| 17:19.51 | beandog | :T |
| 17:20.22 | fungus | beandog, have you tried Mollify |
| 17:20.32 | beandog | never heard of it |
| 17:20.33 | fungus | http://www.mollify.org/ |
| 17:20.44 | fungus | kinda slick, and easy to deal with |
| 17:20.56 | beandog | free for non-commercial use. |
| 17:20.57 | beandog | -_- |
| 17:21.26 | beandog | looks nice. |
| 17:22.20 | influx | beandog: Thanks. I'll monkey around with that. |
| 17:22.56 | beandog | influx: IIRC, if you did it with a mysql shell, it would close the temporary table the second you logged out of the shell. |
| 17:24.13 | influx | Indeed. So, maybe, I need to close whatever previous calls to the db I've made. |
| 17:24.29 | influx | or...something. |
| 17:25.03 | josephscott | persistent db connection? |
| 17:25.52 | beandog | yah |
| 17:25.57 | beandog | mysql_pconnect may work. |
| 17:26.01 | fungus | just in case, have you looked for the obvious? did the create statement actually work? or did it error out? |
| 17:26.13 | beandog | josephscott: or transactions, maybe |
| 17:26.15 | beandog | ? |
| 17:26.40 | josephscott | or just create a regular table and then drop it at the end of the process |
| 17:31.48 | stderr- | why are you even creating a temporary table? |
| 17:36.06 | influx | fungus: The create statement worked, and a var_dump of 'DESCRIBE table_name' returns what I expect. |
| 17:36.28 | influx | So, I'm narrowing things down. |
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| 17:39.43 | influx | stderr-: I have a table with columns id, products_id, piece_rate, start_date, end_date. There are no unique products_id values, since I need to keep older piece_rates values associated with them. start_date and end_date are used in determinining what piece_rates value I should apply to products that fall between the two dates. [more...] |
| 17:40.20 | beandog | wow. |
| 17:40.22 | beandog | design fail. |
| 17:40.36 | beandog | sorry, influx |
| 17:40.37 | beandog | :( |
| 17:40.47 | beandog | influx: a view might make your life easier. |
| 17:40.51 | influx | Sorry for what exactly? |
| 17:41.04 | beandog | that's a crappy db schema to work with. |
| 17:41.06 | influx | I'll read up on view. |
| 17:41.22 | beandog | A view is kind of like a table |
| 17:41.29 | beandog | someone help me here ... |
| 17:41.41 | beandog | Let's say you wanted to generate fake IDs or something similar |
| 17:41.46 | influx | (one sec) |
| 17:41.55 | beandog | Your view could populate that data for you, running the conditional statements itself |
| 17:42.03 | beandog | And then you just select from that view what you need, matching your requirements. |
| 17:42.44 | beandog | for example, CREATE VIEW foo AS SELECT (if foo then 1 else 2) .... |
| 17:42.44 | beandog | etc. |
| 17:43.03 | beandog | then you can do stuff like select from view where col = 1 |
| 17:43.16 | influx | stderr-: So when a user is updating the piece rate for a particular product, the script will update the end_date value for the most recent products_id entry tied to the particular products_id value, then create a new record with a new piece rate and a start_date that is the same as the end_date of the previous record. |
| 17:44.30 | influx | stderr-: Essentially, I'm trying to maintain a history of purchases with the appropriate amounts tied to each purchase. |
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| 17:45.22 | unum | influx: I'd eliminate the end date field |
| 17:45.45 | influx | unum: I think I can see where you're going with that. Use the newest start_date in place of end_date ? |
| 17:45.48 | unum | and maintain a view with your current price |
| 17:45.53 | unum | influx: ya |
| 17:45.55 | influx | word. |
| 17:46.02 | influx | beandog: *reading* |
| 17:46.14 | beandog | views are awesome. |
| 17:46.27 | beandog | Plus, the compilation is already pre-executed, so it's faster |
| 17:46.32 | beandog | er, did I say that right. |
| 17:46.42 | beandog | Views are optimized queries. |
| 17:46.43 | beandog | That's simpler. |
| 17:47.17 | influx | By the way, I made a table with this data for the sole reason that products may be removed from the database that I pull from at any time. I'd like to avoid missing all associated data whenever that happens. |
| 17:47.33 | influx | Which reminds me, I still need to keep track of other product information as well. |
| 17:47.45 | influx | beandog: Thank you. |
| 17:47.59 | beandog | influx: no offense, but your schema sounds whacked. |
| 17:50.06 | josephscott | unless you are using MySQL, which can trigger horrible performance in some cases when using VIEWs |
| 17:50.22 | influx | I am using MySQL, yes. |
| 17:50.30 | influx | beandog: I defer to your experience and accept that statement. |
| 17:51.14 | beandog | fungus: is dragon age 2 any good |
| 17:51.56 | influx | My main concern is putting something together that works before I try to optimize. |
| 17:52.04 | influx | That's all. |
| 17:52.09 | fungus | beandog, if you like the first one, yes it is. |
| 17:52.20 | beandog | fungus: I think the first one is okay |
| 17:53.18 | influx | fungus: I'm told DA2 lacks some of the versatility that DA has when talking about character interactions. Is there much truth to that? |
| 17:53.41 | fungus | DA2 has a better combat system |
| 17:53.48 | influx | err, flexibility |
| 17:53.50 | fungus | DA2 is a lot more linear though |
| 17:54.22 | fungus | But the characters are great and the plot is fun. |
| 17:54.22 | influx | josephscott: How can VIEWs trigger performance problems in MySQL? |
| 17:54.30 | influx | fungus: It looks it. |
| 17:54.35 | josephscott | $google mysql view performance |
| 17:54.36 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=mysql+view+performance -- http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/08/12/mysql-view-as-performance-troublemaker/ -- http://forums.mysql.com/read.php%3F100,164811,164811 -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2760475/mysql-view-performance |
| 17:55.08 | fungus | you still have a lot of flexibility in how you play, just less flexibility on where to go next. |
| 17:56.09 | fungus | Even the third time through DA2 it still brought me to crying like a baby |
| 17:56.12 | carmony | fungus: I didn't care for the story as much in DA2 |
| 17:56.18 | carmony | but I didn't finish it |
| 17:56.23 | beandog | huh |
| 17:56.27 | fungus | How far did you get? |
| 17:56.36 | carmony | Ummm... second act? |
| 17:56.40 | fungus | the pre-Deep road part is pretty boring |
| 17:56.51 | carmony | got a little bit past the deep road |
| 17:56.58 | carmony | deep road was cool |
| 17:57.07 | carmony | but after that, it looked like I was going to be running more errands |
| 17:57.14 | carmony | and then my game got bugged |
| 17:57.17 | carmony | and I said "meh" |
| 17:57.38 | fungus | you can skip the boring side quests if you want. |
| 17:58.19 | carmony | this is the part of the game that drove me nuts: http://www.virtualshackles.com/199 |
| 17:59.38 | fungus | lol, yeah that was odd for sure |
| 18:00.26 | fungus | but in defense of that design decision, it felt really silly putting First Enchanter's robes on Morrigan in DA:O. Totally out of character |
| 18:00.38 | carmony | lol, true |
| 18:01.06 | carmony | my wife asked me about that pirate chick "Ummm... why doesn't she wear any pants?" |
| 18:01.26 | fungus | cause she's a ho |
| 18:01.33 | carmony | lol, yeah :P |
| 18:02.21 | mindjuju | what game is this? |
| 18:02.29 | fungus | Dragon Age 2 |
| 18:02.40 | mindjuju | oh |
| 18:03.22 | josephscott | nice timing ;-) |
| 18:04.59 | carmony | so much refractoring.... |
| 18:05.06 | mindjuju | $8ball will we ever hear about half life 2.3 or hl 3 |
| 18:05.06 | raifbot | mindjuju - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 18:05.15 | mindjuju | dag nab gabe nowell! |
| 18:06.36 | carmony | lol |
| 18:08.11 | mahelious | better have portals |
| 18:08.20 | mahelious | i want to fight some zombies with portals already |
| 18:08.54 | mindjuju | funny you say that, one of the ratman's paintings looks like gordon (IMNSHO) and there is another person in the pic with an x for eyes |
| 18:09.05 | mindjuju | maybe its wishful thinking? |
| 18:09.46 | beandog | fungus: http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:10.54 | josephscott | $8ball will you ever give mindjuju a direct answer? |
| 18:10.55 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes. |
| 18:11.40 | beandog | eh, I dont like this one. |
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| 18:32.56 | josephscott | some day we'll have to live in an always SSL world - http://lifehacker.com/5807740 |
| 18:33.45 | mgeary | and i wouldn't mind that once we catch up to South Korea and have gigabit internet |
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| 19:07.43 | macnewbold | $weather 84094 |
| 19:07.44 | raifbot | 3macnewbold - 0,2current weather for 84094 - Partly Cloudy 58f / 14c Humidity: 44% Wind: N at 16 mph |
| 19:07.50 | macnewbold | $weather 84020 |
| 19:07.50 | raifbot | 3macnewbold - 0,2current weather for 84020 - Partly Cloudy 58f / 14c Humidity: 44% Wind: N at 16 mph |
| 19:20.20 | josephscott | so Groupon filed for an IPO |
| 19:20.41 | herlo | yeah, not surprising |
| 19:20.45 | josephscott | but they have never turned a profit |
| 19:20.55 | josephscott | only lost huge sums of money |
| 19:21.01 | herlo | lots of companies do that |
| 19:21.14 | josephscott | define lots |
| 19:21.28 | herlo | I'm surprised though that they haven't made any profits |
| 19:21.33 | josephscott | in the last 5 years what percentage of companies IPO'd with zero profits? |
| 19:21.55 | herlo | seems like a very viable business model to me. Enough that several other companies are emulating them |
| 19:22.01 | herlo | oh, I'd say 1% |
| 19:22.02 | josephscott | for 2010 they lost $420 million |
| 19:22.09 | mindjuju | wow |
| 19:22.15 | josephscott | on revenue of $713 million |
| 19:22.16 | beandog | how do business that lose half a billion stay running. |
| 19:22.17 | beandog | I don't get it. |
| 19:22.31 | mindjuju | VCs guessing on the long term |
| 19:22.32 | herlo | josephscott: but they had to have that much money to lose it, no? |
| 19:22.36 | josephscott | good luck emulating a 50% loss year over year |
| 19:22.54 | josephscott | herlo: it's called burn rate |
| 19:22.54 | mindjuju | no, VCs front the operational costs |
| 19:23.16 | josephscott | here is the S1 filing - http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1490281/000104746911005613/a2203913zs-1.htm |
| 19:23.28 | herlo | I don't think that'll continue. I seriously think it's a great idea. Enough so that our market alone sees 2-3 daily adds from groupon. |
| 19:23.35 | josephscott | unaudited 2011 Q1 - loss of $117 million |
| 19:23.37 | josephscott | in one quarter |
| 19:23.51 | herlo | I know what a burn rate is. It's still money they had at some point. |
| 19:24.00 | mindjuju | there is a HUGE amount of competition in that market space |
| 19:24.01 | josephscott | on revenue of $644 million |
| 19:24.19 | mindjuju | i seem far moar livingsocial adds than groupon |
| 19:24.20 | herlo | mindjuju: well, groupon was the first. |
| 19:24.23 | josephscott | so in 2011 Q1 they brought more money, but it cost them even more to do it |
| 19:24.27 | herlo | atleast aiui |
| 19:24.40 | josephscott | s/brought/brought in/ |
| 19:24.53 | mindjuju | sure, as far as we know, it was the first, but for business survival, that hardly means anything |
| 19:25.05 | herlo | I know |
| 19:25.20 | josephscott | seems like if you bring in $644 million in a single quarter and still can't turn a profit, I'd be worried |
| 19:25.35 | herlo | like I said, I think they have a great model. If they IPO, maybe they can break through the loss barrier or something |
| 19:25.59 | mindjuju | maybe VC funding drying up? |
| 19:26.12 | mindjuju | alternate revenue stream |
| 19:26.33 | josephscott | mindjuju: I don't think so, not quite yet |
| 19:26.39 | josephscott | but at this rate, it won't be long |
| 19:26.53 | mindjuju | i'm a pessimist sometimes |
| 19:26.55 | josephscott | total VC was $1.14 BILLION |
| 19:27.06 | mindjuju | Meanwhile at ThinkGeek - http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/c554/?cpg=160H&head |
| 19:27.10 | mindjuju | AMAZING! |
| 19:27.26 | mindjuju | don't look at the price, it'll give you vertigo |
| 19:27.48 | josephscott | at their current burn rate that will be completely gone in Q2 2012 |
| 19:28.04 | josephscott | or in other words, they have about one year left on the run way |
| 19:28.06 | jtsnow | Deal of the day: 50% 100 shares of Groupon |
| 19:28.18 | mindjuju | i still think they should have sold to google |
| 19:28.59 | mindjuju | that's funny jtsnow |
| 19:29.01 | josephscott | this IPO would have to absolutely massive for the investors (as whole) to get a decent return |
| 19:30.58 | beandog | does anybody know of an app to track expired domains and/or ssl certs |
| 19:31.02 | beandog | or should I just write my own |
| 19:31.22 | mindjuju | the moment i get some crazy cool idea and google comes over to buy, i'll take their first offer AND counternegotiate for instant alpha/beta testing of any/all future projects google has |
| 19:32.24 | josephscott | even Yahoo turns a profit, and most folks don't think very highly of them |
| 19:32.49 | mindjuju | it's habit, i still check news.yahoo.com in the morning |
| 19:32.59 | mindjuju | even though i prefer google everything else |
| 19:33.38 | beandog | okay |
| 19:33.46 | beandog | apparently I will downloady any free app that amazon store has |
| 19:33.51 | beandog | no matter how stupid it is. |
| 19:35.41 | mindjuju | WOOT! |
| 19:35.49 | mindjuju | i just got invite to google music beta! |
| 19:35.57 | mindjuju | i wonder if google is monitoring this chan? |
| 19:36.00 | mindjuju | love ya google! |
| 19:49.10 | carmony | lol |
| 19:50.38 | jsmith | mindjuju: You still make me sick :-p |
| 19:52.55 | josephscott | classic - http://www.mercurynews.com/weird-news/ci_18191336?nclick_check=1 |
| 19:55.43 | SunSparc | What are some reasonable contractor rates? I think thinking of hiring a developer to do some contracting for me. |
| 19:57.31 | fungus | mindjuju, i got my invite about an hour ago. Still uploading music. |
| 19:57.47 | mindjuju | ^5 fungus |
| 19:57.48 | SunSparc | I have some good information from Google, of course, but I am wondering what people in here are seeing. |
| 19:57.49 | mindjuju | we cool |
| 19:58.28 | influx | SunSparc: What information have you run into that you found useful? [Link(s)?] |
| 19:59.05 | SunSparc | influx: One article I was reading is this: http://www.salary.com/Articles/ArticleDetail.asp?part=par402 |
| 19:59.21 | SunSparc | Not necessarily Utah specific, but good info. |
| 20:01.21 | influx | Aye. Thanks! |
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| 20:16.42 | ninnypants | mindjuju: ping |
| 20:18.07 | mindjuju | pong |
| 20:19.17 | ninnypants | hey Doba wants to sponser Project day |
| 20:19.37 | ninnypants | Jeremy wants to get in touch with you what contact info would you like me to give him? |
| 20:23.46 | herlo | ninnypants: see #utos :) |
| 20:23.51 | herlo | convo over there, too |
| 20:25.43 | ninnypants | herlo: yeah I lurk in #utos but end up defaulting to #uphpu |
| 20:26.28 | herlo | understood |
| 21:04.38 | carmony | any redmine users here? |
| 21:04.52 | mindjuju | i was, am building it out again next week |
| 21:05.22 | mindjuju | if system you're installing on is other than ubuntu, shoot yourself now, spare yourself the pain |
| 21:05.22 | carmony | mindjuju: any way to debug why email isn't being sent? |
| 21:05.43 | beandog | carmony: you can start it in the console and watch debug output |
| 21:05.54 | beandog | run it standalone |
| 21:06.07 | mindjuju | actually, i don't think i ever had problem with the email, i'm guessing you've tested email server, it worky? |
| 21:06.18 | carmony | yeah, well, I want to use SMTP |
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| 21:13.58 | mindjuju | i guess they don't make them like they used to - http://www.break.com/index/turkish-building-demolition-gone-wrong.html |
| 21:14.27 | beandog | I hate it when the tags give it all away |
| 21:14.40 | mindjuju | so carmony, is the smtp server you're using, is it one you built or is it like a google one or something? |
| 21:14.50 | carmony | google apps |
| 21:15.53 | mindjuju | i'm trying to remember what special i did to get it to deliver over port 587 |
| 21:15.58 | mindjuju | ...thinking... |
| 21:16.20 | mahelious | http://www.break.com/index/first_question_wrong_on_millionaire.html |
| 21:17.27 | mindjuju | @beandog - best motivational speech evar - http://tinyurl.com/3r8qyuf |
| 21:20.16 | beandog | oh boy |
| 21:23.00 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:23.27 | josephscott | sweet mother of perl! |
| 21:23.42 | josephscott | now Pandora has filed for an IPO |
| 21:24.20 | josephscott | total profit for the last 4 year - zero |
| 21:24.24 | josephscott | years |
| 21:24.50 | josephscott | they lost $6.1 million in Q1 2011 |
| 21:29.23 | mgeary | ah, but they'll make it up by selling in bulk |
| 21:31.20 | josephscott | lol |
| 21:31.55 | beandog | whut |
| 21:32.08 | beandog | Frankly, I'm surprised that these internet radio stations are still around at all. |
| 21:36.11 | mgeary | well, i'm glad they are. I love Pandora on my iPhone |
| 21:36.36 | beandog | you couldnt just say your phone |
| 21:36.38 | beandog | you had to say iphone |
| 21:36.40 | beandog | ~lart mgeary |
| 21:36.40 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets mgeary feel it |
| 21:36.41 | beandog | :) |
| 21:37.00 | mgeary | point taken |
| 21:37.06 | mgeary | ~offend beandog |
| 21:37.18 | beandog | oh, dont worry, its easy to offend me. |
| 21:37.28 | beandog | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 21:37.28 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags DexterTheDragon into court suing for $200 million |
| 21:37.37 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit beandog |
| 21:37.37 | ibot | ACTION stikes at beandog with the vulgar dragon technique causing a very bad flesh wound! |
| 21:38.21 | beandog | what bugs me is those articles that stick iphone/ipad in the title just because. |
| 21:38.34 | beandog | "Earthquake in Japan may delay production of electronics, including ipad" |
| 21:38.36 | beandog | whut |
| 21:38.38 | josephscott | $mindtrick ibot |
| 21:38.38 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) ibot these aren't the droids you're looking for. |
| 21:38.47 | beandog | ~lart mass media |
| 21:38.47 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on mass media |
| 21:43.58 | influx | oi |
| 21:45.41 | influx | Why would SELECT * FROM table_name ORDER BY col_1 ASC return rows but not SELECT col_1 FROM table_name WHERE col_2 = '123' when there is a row in col_2 that matches? |
| 21:47.36 | influx | -rows +anything |
| 21:48.33 | beandog | whut |
| 21:49.05 | beandog | influx: spacing? |
| 21:49.15 | beandog | influx: youre matching it as a string and not an integer? |
| 21:49.32 | beandog | that shouldnt matter though. |
| 21:49.33 | beandog | the second one. |
| 21:49.56 | influx | Yeah, I tried without single quotes. |
| 21:50.08 | influx | Hmm. :3 |
| 21:51.39 | beandog | wow, I just realized I dont even have a text editor to write code with. |
| 21:51.47 | beandog | well, gui text editor. |
| 21:51.47 | influx | Ha. What? |
| 21:51.48 | beandog | vim++ |
| 21:51.50 | influx | Ohs. |
| 21:52.50 | stderr- | emacs++ |
| 22:02.53 | influx | Adobe GoLive++ |
| 22:03.08 | herlo | ~vim++ |
| 22:08.48 | josephscott | wonder if this is legit |
| 22:08.48 | josephscott | http://skype-open-source.blogspot.com/2011/06/skype-protocol-reverse-engineered.html |
| 22:18.49 | mgeary | you know, i've got an 8-core machine, and it's been great. However, one thing i notice is that when/if ONE of my CPUs gets pegged at 100%, it seems my entire system performance suffers by far more than 1/8th. Annoying |
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| 22:27.18 | herlo | mgeary: is it running Linux? |
| 22:27.35 | mgeary | herlo: Mac OS X. I would have said that, but i didn't want to offend beandog |
| 22:27.42 | herlo | lol |
| 22:27.44 | beandog | lol |
| 22:28.37 | herlo | mgeary: I know little about the inner workings about the Mac OS X cpu scheduler. I know that in Windows, you can get bogged down in those situations quite frequently. I'm not sure about Windows 7, but earlier it was quite common |
| 22:30.07 | josephscott | cpu scheduling is fun |
| 22:31.01 | beandog | it's like getting a date with your computer |
| 22:49.20 | beandog | ~apb mindjuju |
| 22:49.20 | ibot | ACTION calls Tim to find mindjuju |
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