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00:00.07herlooh, that part was hilarious!
00:00.14beandogOkay, Im giving up on this.  not worth it.
00:00.23herlobeandog: you wanted a challenge :)
00:00.34beandogsrsly
00:00.38beandog~blame beandog
00:00.39ibotACTION blames beandog (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
00:02.24herlohaha, nice
00:04.04beandogWhat stinks is it runs *great* out of the box, on my Ubuntu vm
00:05.48herlowhy does that stink?
00:08.36beandogbecause it's not my target install
00:10.13herlooh, well what is your target install??
00:10.39mindjujuhis target install is gentoo
00:10.47mindjujuthis is awesome - http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/c73d/
00:10.48beandogright
00:11.10herloheh, there's your problem :)
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14:47.13josephscotthttp://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/27/why-its-harder-to-make-money-on-android-than-on-apples-ios/
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15:57.38mgearyso, Bachmann and Palin sound like they're both seeing about a run for the presidency
15:57.48mgearyit's going to be a fun election season
15:59.36herloyeah, if you consider politics fun
16:00.13influxmgeary: together?
16:00.28mgearyinflux: no, i don't think so. Sounds like they're each possibly gunning for president
16:01.11influx:(
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16:05.21ninnypantsshould be a good year of SNL
16:09.30macnewboldi think i would cry inside if either Palin or Hillary Clinton were our first woman president ;-(
16:11.26mgearyso, apg just gave me a suggested password with the f-bomb in it
16:11.47mgeary*uckOfdem
16:13.50tierrahah
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16:25.43mgeary*sniff*, so my youngest finished Preschool today. The first in a series of milestones that will remind me how old i'm getting
16:26.05mindjujucongrats mgeary!
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16:27.07beandogwhut
16:27.21herlomgeary: I like that you didn't say 'graduate'
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16:27.30mindjujulittle mgeary finished preschool today
16:27.32mgearyherlo: yeah, i think that's silly
16:28.05herlomgeary: me too :)
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16:40.55mindjujui don't understand why cage nuts are so expensive
16:41.02mindjuju25pc $16?
16:42.08DexterTheDragonmindjuju: maybe cause they hold up thousands of dollars servers?
16:42.25mindjujutouche
16:42.32mindjujuyou pesky devil!
16:45.51mgearywho here does ObjC development? carmony? others?
16:46.01carmonymgeary: very little, but some
16:46.06carmonyI mostly read it than write it
16:46.29mindjujui know a objectC guy who does it all day, but he's pricey
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16:48.36mgearymindjuju: is he a freelancer, or FT employed? I've got a potential client project and am looking for some options to get some bids
16:49.42mindjujuhe's full time employed, but i know he does apps for itunes on the side
16:50.33josephscottug http://uphpu.org/2011/05/27/boomstartup-tech-founder-needed/
16:50.49josephscott$lart build to flip
16:50.49raifbotoffers build to flip some herring.
16:51.06mgearymindjuju, well, if you want, you could see if he's interested in talking to me about a potential project...
16:51.31CapnRazorcan some one help me with an array question?
16:51.31mindjujui think i have your email mgeary
16:51.43macnewboldCapnRazor: go for it, someone will answer
16:52.12CapnRazorI have my html and an example of my array here http://ideone.com/HQ9P9
16:53.06CapnRazorthis is my first time working with an array of arrays and I cant sort out the syntax to parse through it
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16:53.27mindjujumgeary, if your email addy domain is still gearyweb, then i'll send him that email addy
16:53.50influxbrrr
16:55.14Utah_DaveCapnRazor: So what exactly are you trying to do with this array of arrays?
16:55.33CapnRazorif anyone is looking at that code the array is at the bottom below the html
16:55.54CapnRazorI am populating a product spec sheet
16:56.07Utah_DaveSo you want to display these items?
16:56.25CapnRazoryes, each sub array is a section
16:57.10Utah_DaveI usually use a foreach. Let me throw together an example with your arrays
16:57.30carmonyOh man, article of the day: http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-all-american-problems-could-be-solved-by-jus,20515/
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16:58.08CapnRazorI was thinking that I would use this code <?php echo $spec_display[0]['heading']; ?> to display an element but it looks like I need to go a level down and dont know how
16:58.44josephscottcarmony: I disagree, my studies have found it takes at least 3 seconds ;-)
17:01.15Utah_DaveCapnRazor: I haven't tried this on a server, but you would do something like this:   http://stikked.com/view/93884995
17:01.34CapnRazorThanks Dave Checking it now
17:01.41unumforeach++
17:01.45Utah_DaveDo a foreach over the highest level of the array, and then echo out  what you need from each subarray
17:05.32beandogcarmony: lol, win
17:05.39CapnRazorOK but that brings up another question, in your example you specify 'product details' but the large array that i get may or may not have all the same set of sub arrays. Can i parse the full array to find the names of the sub arrays dynamically to parse?
17:07.47Utah_DaveYeah, the first line inside the top foreach loop you can check to see if that item is an array or not.
17:08.27CapnRazorbecause I cant rely on the data being consistent I am filling a series of floated divs to make a table of sorts
17:09.52CapnRazorso it would be an if (however you say IS array) for each the sub as key value?
17:11.05Utah_DaveYeah, something like that.
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17:14.39CapnRazorok last dumb question to get more comfortable with syntax in PHP is php.net my BEST source or is there somewhere else that might be easier? I find php.net talks over my level way to often
17:15.03unumphp.net is the best thing about php
17:15.24unumlook at the comments if the main article isn't clear
17:15.29beandog++
17:15.32unumthe comments usually have examples
17:15.36mgearyagreed. if you feel that's over your head, you may just need to focus on getting more experience
17:15.41unumya
17:15.56CapnRazoryeah if it werent for the comments id not have made it THIS far ;)
17:16.18unumCapnRazor: do you have previous programming experience?
17:17.05CapnRazornot too much, I am a sys admin that has been shanghaied into web development.
17:17.30unumthat happens a lot :)
17:18.07CapnRazorI can BUILD you a web server with all the whizbangs but making it DO something is a whole new thing. ;)
17:19.13mgearyah, but can you build me a sandwich?
17:19.41carmonyI just won a copy of Adobe CS 5.5 Web Edition
17:19.47CapnRazorNOPE but I can make you a really cool container to put it in!
17:19.54mindjujucongrats carmony!
17:19.58mgearycarmony: congrats! how?
17:20.06carmonymgeary: a contest at php tek
17:20.13CapnRazorNICE
17:20.29mgearythat's great
17:21.41romanovicmgeary: have you learned nothing from xkcd? thats "sudo make mgeary a sandwich"
17:22.29mindjujuyum install whizbangs
17:22.50romanovichehe
17:23.03CapnRazorthats SU , Im really old I think selinux is evil
17:23.11wpsI have a script that instantiates an object and then calls a method within it
17:23.21mgearyselinux is the devil
17:23.23wpsthat method does something with the session
17:23.29romanovicCapnRazor: I'd suggest learning more about objects in PHP
17:23.37wpsI am printing out the session and then exiting before that
17:23.45wpsbut the action is still being taken on the session
17:23.48wpshow?
17:24.01CapnRazorromanovic: any resources you would reccomend?
17:24.07wpsif the script has die; then the script should stop and never get to the rest
17:24.19romanovicIt looks like you are using a complicated system of arrays to represent the same set of data that a single abstract object could represent
17:24.45carmonyjosephscott: Andrew Nacin is here at tek it looks like
17:25.00josephscottsay hi
17:25.04carmonywill do
17:25.33romanovicCapnRazor: yeah, let me get a couple links
17:25.52CapnRazorromanovic: great thanks
17:28.51romanovicCapnRazor: this one looks like a decent intro if you haven't worked with them before
17:28.53romanovichttp://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/object-oriented-php-for-beginners/
17:31.46mgearywps: do you have xdebug on your server? you might want to have it trace out what it's doing
17:31.58wpsI don't
17:32.10mgearyyou totally should
17:32.15mgearyxdebug is super helpful
17:34.19CapnRazorthanks all! It looks like I have a couple of days of reading ahead of me! I really appreciate everyone being here as a resource.
17:34.46beandogI wonder if my router is gonna be okay after I sat on it.
17:35.46mgearyCapnRazor, well, the best thing to do, imo, is to have a particular problem you're trying to solve, and do research with that specific goal in mind. It's very hard to just learn something without a context. That being said, i strongly recommend that you look at some of the MVC frameworks out there (CodeIgniter, Zend, Cake, etc.) and ramp up on that approach
17:38.20CapnRazormgeary: I have eclipse dreamweaver 4 and wavemaker as IDEs but I find i use notepad++ more than anything else
17:38.49mgearyyeah, i'm the same way, but i'm not talking about IDEs, i'm talking about how you approach your PHP development
17:38.57mgearywhere your logic lives
17:39.00mgearythat sort of thing
17:39.23mgearymy whole world changed once i understood the ActiveRecord pattern
17:39.36beandogheh
17:39.38beandog~convert mgeary
17:39.53CapnRazorarent zend etc. a further abstraction of the code?
17:39.54mgeary(for which i have django to thank ;) )
17:40.21beandogCapnRazor: I prefer to think of it as, make my life incredibly easier.
17:40.30beandogand develop much faster
17:40.52unumI like learning the basics with out those
17:41.04beandoggotta know the basics, too
17:41.05unumbut then once you have the basics down you can usually code much faster
17:41.13beandogI wouldn't jump headfirst into a framework if I were just starting out
17:41.53CapnRazorso if I am getting it here. mgeary you are suggesting that I use the MVC as a tool to learn the code, similar to how I used dreamweaver as a starting point to learn html
17:43.04mgearysort of. it's just that having php code inline in your HTML is a situation that becomes very very painful over time. A framework provides tools to deal with that.
17:44.39mgearyi see it as different degrees of sophistication. At the lowest end of the spectrum, you have php inline in your html, one step up, maybe you use a templating system (I like Smarty), another step up, maybe you have a series of model classes that represent your key logical components of your app, and another step up, maybe you're using a framework that helps with all of that
17:47.52CapnRazorI have a feeling that trying to get my head around this by tuesday is going to make my brain hurt! ;)
17:48.06macnewboldpersonally i'd recommend skipping the template system step - imho php is already a templating system, and oyu just use include/require
17:48.26mindjuju~apb herlo
17:48.27ibotACTION hires Tim to find herlo
17:49.14CapnRazormacnewbold: thats pretty much the way i have been learning
17:49.37mgearywell, i disagree, but i'm not going to get religious about it
17:51.22CapnRazormgeary: I will check out the MVC route too, I am ALWAYS willing to learn new ways of doing things, and having more tools available only makes it easier in the long run
17:59.45CapnRazorThanks again for everyones help I am out to get a really HUGE coffee and start trying to sort this out.
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18:22.52mindjujuDtD - bedtime?
18:28.42macnewboldcareful, CapnRazor: a really HUGE coffee will be a really HUGE diuretic too :)
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19:34.49josephscottI don't know what to say - http://devour.com/video/freestyle-canoeing/
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20:28.04beandogwhut
20:31.03redroythat free-styling canoeing is intense!
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20:38.13mgearyredroy: you misspelled awful
20:40.46SunSparcninnypants: What is with the canoe dancing?
20:41.29redroymgeary: haha, I was on the edge of my seat! What was he going to do next? Spin? or perhaps spin?!
20:42.27SunSparcAre you guys already discussing the canoe video?
20:43.14ninnypantsSunSparc: I thought it was pretty awesome josephscott was the first to post it though :)
20:43.35beandogmgeary: lol
20:43.48josephscottseems like a canoe only has a few moves
20:43.55SunSparcI guess everyone needs their hobbies.  :)
20:44.57redroyIt's cracking me up...
20:45.28SunSparcIf you grab the scrubber, it is actually quite entertaining at 2-3 times speed.
21:11.09josephscott$suggest canoe dancing
21:11.10raifbotjosephscott suggestions for 'canoe dancing' : canoe dancing
21:11.58macnewbolduseful
21:12.03macnewbold$suggest dancing
21:12.03raifbotmacnewbold suggestions for 'dancing' : dancing with the stars, dancing with the stars 2011, dancing with the stars season 12, dancing with the stars winner, dancing with the stars 2011 cast, dancing with the stars results, dancing with the stars vote, dancing with the stars cast, dancing angels dallas, dancing with the stars elimination
21:12.15macnewboldew
21:12.35josephscottguess we know what people are looking for when they search for dancing
21:21.12macnewboldyeah, silly stuff
21:21.20macnewboldproof right there that most dancing is silly
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21:26.05mgearyhey, why would php be trying to load an extension if it's not in my extension_dir and not in my php.ini?
21:26.41macnewboldi think that might be exactly why - but i could be wrong.
21:26.56mgearywell, but how would it think to even load it?
21:26.58macnewboldi think it loads them all, even if you don't add any settings for it, maybe?
21:27.58mgearybut that wouldn't apply for xdebug
21:28.16macnewboldi'm not sure
21:32.13beandogwho wants to play ET?
21:32.31josephscottdo you get to phone home?
21:32.39beandogEnemy Territory
21:32.49beandogphoob
21:33.01*** part/#uphpu CapnRazor (~razor@adsl-69-228-251-29.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
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21:45.04macnewboldk, guys - just got asked an interesting question - who are the "rockstars" in UPHPU?
21:45.31macnewbold[fair warning - they'll likely get some recruiting calls if they're open at all to the possibility of changing jobs]
21:46.02macnewboldnominations?
21:46.07macnewbold~lart mgeary
21:46.07ibottries to shut mgeary up
21:46.45josephscottdepends on how good the recruiting calls are ;-)
21:47.02macnewboldi was being serious and mgeary starts joking around...
21:47.21mgearynope. wasn't joking
21:49.14macnewboldwell, thanks, but i already got caught in this particular net...
21:49.23mgearyheh
21:49.24macnewboldthey've already got my full attention
21:49.30maheliouswould throw a name in the hat, but im afraid i dont know many of ya yet.  :(
21:49.39macnewboldhehe
21:49.59mgearywe could try to get itimber back to Utah
21:51.08macnewboldcarmony is on the list too
21:51.17carmonyhrm?
21:51.26macnewboldrockstar
21:51.29macnewbold~worship carmony
21:51.29ibotACTION genuflects before carmony.  "I'm not worthy!"
21:52.03carmonylol, well, I'm thankful you all think so highly of me :P
21:52.39macnewboldit all starts when you think so highly of yourself ;)
21:52.41macnewboldj/k
21:56.13carmonylol
21:56.18carmonymacnewbold: why do you ask?
21:57.19macnewboldscroll back about 12 minutes… :)
21:58.40carmonylol
22:04.27itimberTY mgeary
22:11.28itimberwhat's the gig Mac?
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22:16.11macnewboldEver heard of Skullcandy?
22:16.20itimberI have
22:16.22macnewboldbased in Park City (kimball junction)
22:16.28itimbercool
22:16.32macnewboldseeking rockstars
22:16.42itimberon site?
22:16.44itimberprobably
22:16.59macnewboldat least 1-3 days a week, yeah
22:17.02macnewboldsome telecommute is okay
22:17.20itimberya
22:17.20macnewboldbut i'm not sure they're ready to accept full-time work-from-home yet
22:19.04itimberya, I bet not
22:19.18itimberthanks for the info though
22:25.50tierramacnewbold: ever end up filling that position from back in January? heh
22:27.47tierra(not saying I'm interested - I'm pretty happy with the work I landed back in March)
22:28.15macnewboldtierra: it's been a terribly wild roller coaster
22:28.51tierraheh, IPO still have you on the edge of your seat?
22:29.03macnewboldit might but i wouldn't be able to talk about it :)
22:29.19tierra:)
22:35.20itimberI'm out… have a good weekend all
22:37.42mgearystderr-: ping
23:04.08mgearyfungus: ping
23:07.04DexterTheDragon~lart mindjuju
23:07.04ibotwhacks mindjuju upside the head
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23:17.19fungusmgeary, pong
23:17.46mgearyhey, i may have a problem that needs a short-term emergency band-aid
23:18.34carmonymgeary: ok
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23:19.14mgearywhat's wrong with this:
23:19.20mgearyRewriteRule ^(.*) http://192.168.1.51:8080/$1 [P]
23:19.38mgearyi want to proxy an internal web app out to a publicly-available vhost
23:19.39carmonyummmmm I don't see anything wrong with it
23:19.45carmonyok
23:19.54carmonythe problem is the rewrite is like a redirect
23:19.59carmonyactually
23:20.00carmonyhrm
23:21.14fungusmgeary, do you have mod_proxy enabled?
23:21.55mgearyprobably not
23:22.22fungusit's required for that proxy option
23:23.12fungusmgeary, you can also achieve that goal using the ProxyPass directive
23:23.27mgearyoh, yeah, that's want i want
23:23.34fungusProxyPass / http://192.168.1.51:8080/
23:24.14fungusProxyPass is less flexible, but simpler and works for what you are trying to do.
23:24.20fungusStill requires mod_proxy though.
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23:38.39carmony_~fungus++
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