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00:01.32carmonyherlo: shazam, got it workign
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00:08.37herlocarmony: :)
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04:17.16josephscott$rmindtrick
04:17.16raifbot(jedi hand wave) utahcon you don't need to see his identification.
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06:44.24hTrevyncarmony: ping
06:44.42hTrevynquestion, I have ASCII charactors in a mysql table.
06:44.57hTrevynis there a way to remove all ascii charactors?
06:45.21hTrevynIm trying to avoid lopping through 2 million records.
06:45.29hTrevynCan I just change the Collation?
06:45.33hTrevynif so to what?
06:46.59hTrevynmindjuju: ?
06:47.04hTrevynherlo: ?
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15:08.56josephscott$chuck-fact
15:08.57raifbotIf you spell Chuck Norris wrong on Google it doesn't say, "Did you mean Chuck Norris?" It simply replies, "Run while you still have the chance."
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15:42.25carmonyokay, anyone want to help me with some bash scripting kung-fo? :P
15:43.03mindjujuwell, my bash scripting skills ARE probably at the kung fo level, if you want some real kung fu though, that's prolly fungus or herlo
15:43.32herlokung fo!
15:44.02fungus$mindtrick mindjuju
15:44.03raifbot(jedi hand wave) mindjuju he can go about his business.
15:44.10herlocarmony: whatcha need?
15:44.55carmonyI want a way for a script to spin off another script, but not wait for it to finish
15:45.40herlocarmony: &
15:45.59fungusdoes the invoker script need to die before the invoked script finishes?
15:46.12herlofungus: don't make this complicated now :)
15:46.17fungusor does the invoker just do more work parallel
15:46.25fungus:)
15:46.36mindjujuso quick question if & allows for 2 scripts to run at same time, what is && i've seen that before
15:46.49herlomindjuju: & doesn't let two scripts run at the same time
15:46.51carmonyinvoker die before the invoked script
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15:46.59mindjujuin fact, it was heartsbane script that did it
15:47.04herlomindjuju: & runs it in the background
15:47.09carmonyfungus: ^^
15:47.27mindjujusudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade , something like that
15:47.40herlomindjuju: && is just like any programming languages && it says if the left is true, test/do the right
15:48.26funguscarmony, IIRC when using & to background a process the invoker still waits for the invoked to die before it can fully die.
15:48.43herloyeah, because otherwise it would be an orphan process
15:48.52fungusyeah, what he said.  
15:48.56herloyou should spawn or fork your own maybe
15:49.19fungusYou'd need to go through the daemonization dance to get that to work.
15:52.25herlocarmony: not sure if you are on RHEL or Debian based system, but on RHEL based systems they have some cool script helpers
15:52.29herlo. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
15:52.31herlodaemon /path/to/my/script
15:52.40funguscarmony, if you don't have to have the invoker die, it's easy to just use the &
15:52.45herlorunning those two lines will let the second script run as a daemon
15:53.08fungusOtherwise the double fork, closing file descriptor stuff is a bit ugly.
15:53.28fungusnice.  thx herlo.  that sounds cool.
15:53.47herlofungus: yeah, I have used it once or twice. had to look it up to get it right
15:54.01herloif you look in a bunch of the /etc/init.d scripts though, you'll see it in there
15:54.32carmonyfungus: what about the disown function?
15:54.35carmonyer, command
15:54.51fungusthere is more than just disown, but that is part of it.
15:55.20carmonyok
15:55.57herloseems like it could do the trick
15:56.20herloseems like a decent article on the subject: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2007/10/disown-nohup-bash-commands.html
15:58.08herlocarmony: the only real problem I can see with disown is that you have to know the 'job' number rather than the pid of the process
15:58.49fungusneat.  but disown only works with jobid's.  But nohup and & might be good enough.
15:58.59fungusneeds testing.
15:59.07herlowhich isn't a horrible problem
15:59.49Heartsbanewhat?
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16:00.04herloHeartsbane: we used your name in vain, go back to work
16:00.18mindjujunothing, go back to sleep, i was just talking about that update script you wrote for me once during UPHPU that one time
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16:00.31Heartsbanek
16:00.39herlolol
16:01.11fungusneat, it works.  "nohup <newscript> &"  will let the parent die in peace.
16:02.16josephscott~rip parent
16:02.16ibotACTION takes parent and acts as Jack The Ripper
16:02.45josephscotthmmm, that isn't very peaceful
16:03.03herlojosephscott: well, once they are dead it is...
16:03.29HeartsbaneIt is if you just walk away and don't act like a witness
16:04.27herlofungus: I was just playing with disown, I think carmony taught us something today. :)
16:04.57carmonywow... this is a moment in history to be remember....
16:05.05herlolol
16:05.31fungusyes he did.  I love learning new $h!t
16:06.14skinnerAnyone use Cricket for their cell phone provider?
16:06.39herlofungus: don't we all :)
16:07.34mindjujuskinner - my bro-in-law does, he seems to like it AFAIK
16:07.48skinnerI have a friend that uses it and likes it
16:08.51skinnerI've been thinking of trying out their unlimited everything $55/mo android plan
16:10.00_psychic_anyone know good ISP options in American Fork? I'm moving away from UTOPIA.  :(
16:10.29maheliousif Utopia isn't good for you, I can't think what would be.
16:10.48mgearymahelious: i think he's saying he's losing it as an option
16:10.55_psychic_exactly.
16:10.56maheliousoh, n/m, misread that.  AF is mostly comcast and qwest land, sadly enough.
16:11.02_psychic_suck.
16:11.29josephscottwhy is AF loosing Utopia?
16:11.35mindjujuyeah, so are some parts of orem still
16:11.36mgeary_psychic_: we've been using Clear as an interim solution until our Utopia install is done. I'd say it's been at least as good as DSL, fwiw
16:11.37_psychic_I'm in Orem
16:11.42mindjujuit's painful
16:11.54_psychic_mgeary: url?
16:12.09mgeary_psychic_: http://www.clear.com/
16:12.31mgearyif you do internet-only and buy the modem, it's fairly cost effective, and you're not locked into a contract
16:12.39_psychic_huh.
16:12.45mgearyin fact, we will probably have 2 modems that we'll be looking to sell in a week or two
16:13.03fungus_psychic_, AF has their own Fiber options.
16:13.15fungushttp://afconnect.com/
16:13.49_psychic_fungus: oooh interesting
16:14.03fungusnot utopia, but pretty good.
16:14.09_psychic_fungus: mgeary: thanks both
16:14.12_psychic_both good options
16:15.05josephscottman, wish we had fiber at those prices in Sandy
16:17.18maheliouswish we had fiber at all in Eagle Mtn
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16:18.09mgearyi wish i had a fudgesicle
16:19.09_psychic_wooo $44/mo (flat) for 8-10Mbps up and down with a static IP. #sold
16:20.17mgearythat's very decent
16:20.32mgearythough i pay $43 for 15/15 (supposedly) with a static IP ;)
16:21.25josephscottnow I want to cry :-(
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16:22.44herlojosephscott: just move :)
16:23.00josephscotttoo lazy, I'm never moving again
16:23.26_psychic_mgeary: yeah that's what I pay now, more or less
16:23.40_psychic_with comcast/qwest it was looking like 3-4 times as much for those same speeds
16:23.44mindjuju@josephscott, you've got to cut with the grain, not against
16:24.00mindjujuwhen moving, do yourself a favor, hire the local scout troop
16:24.06mindjujusaves your back and they need the $$
16:24.26skinnermindjuju: excellent idea
16:24.38mgearyit's not the *moving* that's the pain. It's the *packing*
16:24.53josephscottgood idea, but not moving
16:26.31mindjujunow if only i could get my water storage in order
16:27.24mgearybut if we get desperate, i've got a 300-gallon tank that powers my waterfall
16:27.57mindjujuwps organized a water storage solution built to fit in the standard doorway and was awesome
16:28.02macnewboldif anything, one could be drinking water and the other used for "hygiene" water
16:28.18mindjujui've got my $$ set aside for the next time
16:28.18wpshttp://surewatertanks.com/
16:28.24mindjujuthat thing for sale would have covered all household for 30 days
16:28.39mindjuju@5 gallons /day
16:29.15mindjujui've already got like 10 - 5gallon containers, those i want to move outside in case house becomes inaccessible, along with a block of food storage and provisions
16:29.33mindjujuthen, i'll be happy for this year
16:30.11mgearyjeeze. that 525 gallon tank would weigh ~4300 lbs when full
16:32.57macnewboldmgeary: yeah, don't plan on trying to move large volumes of water other than through hoses etc.
16:33.08mindjujui didn't realize that they were in orem, I think if my wife makes my FiL an apple pie, eh'd pick it up for us w/ his trailer
16:33.08macnewboldhernia in an emergency doesn't help anyone...
16:33.43mindjujuthat's why i have the 5gal containers
16:33.46mindjujuin case we have to leave
16:35.03josephscott525 gallon tank, wow!
16:35.14mindjujuyeah, no messing around there
16:35.56mindjujui'm actually lucky though, my food storage room has a drain
16:36.18mindjujuit would be easy to cycle water through it regularly to keep it fresh
16:36.20josephscottI'd have to put something like that in the garage
16:37.11mindjujusee, that's where you've got it josephscott, if i do put this in the basement, if house inaccessible, i may lose it where if garage, likely accessible
16:37.14macnewboldmindjuju: with a few hoses (esp food-grade ones) you can use your old water on the lawn/garden or something...
16:38.18mindjujutrue that
16:38.23josephscottbut man, if it went bad, that is a whole lot of water
16:39.02mindjujuyeah, your home listing will change from house w/ garage to house w/ enclosed pool
16:40.25macnewboldone of the best options i've seen are the oxygen treatments - for like $20 you can provide a 5-10 year useful life to a big drum of water - well worth it even in terms of the effort of rotating it. Even still tastes good, from what i understand.
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16:40.54macnewbold<PROTECTED>
16:41.01macnewboldhehe
16:41.17mindjujuhmm, i should look into that
16:41.52macnewboldsome places try to sell you the tank too, but their "refill" kits are just the water treatment packs
16:42.33macnewboldotherwise, even with chlorine treatment done properly, you're suppoesd to rotate it every 6-12 months aren't you?
16:42.42macnewboldthat's just craziness imho
16:42.46macnewboldimpractical
16:42.51macnewboldand/or wasteful
16:42.57mindjujuwe should find a way to have some home automation using PHP to cycle it
16:43.10mindjujulike water line in, water line to hot water heater
16:43.55macnewboldsure, that would even maintain pressure I think… like a bypass through your storage tank.
16:44.34mindjujunow you're talking
16:45.07macnewboldremember too though that storing your water higher has some advantages - less pumping, cause you're storing gravitational potential energy with it, which you get for "free" with the original water pressure used to fill it, but when you empty it you might not have any pressure other than that potential energy you stored
16:45.23macnewboldif you keep all the water in the baseement, but don't use it in the basemenet, that's a lot of pumping or carrying
16:46.24mindjujuwell, that conainer has a low level spigot, so no pump, but you've got a point with carrying water around
16:50.42macnewboldin some countries, where pressure in the public water network is spotty at best, most homes have a tank on their roof about the size of a swamp cooler, and the pressure from gravity is what they're using all the time
16:51.01macnewboldwhen the pressure from the feed isn't enough, ther'es an aux pump that kicks in to help get it onto the roof to keep the tank full
16:51.43macnewboldworks pretty nice, but for emergencies might not be too practical, when you expect potential damage to the house from earthquake, fire, tornado, hurricane etc.
16:52.12mindjujuyeah
16:52.12macnewboldyour roof tank could end up on the ground in more than one piece in the center of a crater
16:52.25mindjuju:)
16:52.31macnewboldbbiab
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17:09.23mindjujuwow, the google logo today is COOOOOL
17:09.55mindjujuapparently designed by somebody at byu
17:14.39_psychic_Also did this: http://vimeo.com/14803194
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17:21.11skinnerhttp://www.zapiks.fr/motoneige-0-montagne-1.html
17:21.48skinnerawesome part at 0:48
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17:28.59mindjujucool find _psychic_
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17:34.04mindjujuwow, i'm surprised that guy was able to walk afterwards
17:34.16skinnerno kidding
17:35.43skinnerlol - chrome asked me if it could translate it into english....now the comments are hilarious
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17:45.55mgearyanyone here into Android app development?
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18:06.07wpswahoo! my inbox is empty
18:06.11wpsfirst time in a week and a half
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18:20.24josephscotthttp://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
18:28.23macnewboldjosephscott: do scheduled posts in WP depend on wp-cron being set up? is there a list of other things that depend on wp cron?
18:29.01josephscottwp-cron is a pseudo cron that gets fired by page views
18:29.27josephscottand yes, scheduled posts depend on wp-cron working correctly
18:29.33macnewboldoh, so we don't need to actually set up a cron job?
18:29.40macnewboldwe're getting missed schedule errors :-/
18:29.40josephscottso if your setup busts wp-cron then that will cause problems
18:30.08josephscottwp-cron probably isn't working correctly on your setup then
18:30.24josephscottI recall having this very same conversation with herlo
18:31.10macnewboldoh funny
18:31.28macnewboldmaybe herlo busted wp-cron...
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19:30.58josephscottanother bad day to have comcast :-(
19:31.09eggyknapAre there ever good days?
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20:20.03mgearyhey, i need a perl guru to help me with something
20:20.23mgeary)yes, apparently some people still use perl)
20:20.39mindjujuperl guru that i know of is Jayce^ in #utos
20:21.02mgearyherlo: you don't do any perl?
20:21.13mindjujui forget his function, but i know he works with banking or financial, something financial with perl
20:21.20mgearynow that's a scary thought
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20:35.13mindjujumgeary, did you see somebody responding to your query in #utos
20:48.01herlomgeary: no perl, thank you
20:48.28mgeary~feed herlo some tasty perl
20:48.29ibotACTION offers herlo some some tasty perl, accompanied by a candle lit table overlooking herlo's favorite locaton.  With music and waiters poised to leap to any of herlo's wishes.
20:48.36herloyum yum yum
20:48.48herlop-tooooieeeeee!
20:48.54herloYUCK! PERL!?
20:50.03mgearyyou've got your perl in my chocolate!
20:50.21mgearyloved those commercials when i was a kid
20:50.35herlolol
20:50.54herlomgeary: I think it was 'peanut butter' that was in my chocolate :)
20:51.11mgeary~lart herlo
20:51.11ibotraises middle finger to herlo
20:51.13mgearyhahah
20:53.54herlolol
20:54.04herlo~wallop mgeary
20:54.04ibotACTION Grabs a rather large desk and bonks mgeary about the head with it.
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21:12.25SunSparc~rlart
21:12.25ibotthrows a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at influx
21:12.36SunSparc~rwallop
21:12.42SunSparc~rlol
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21:13.04SunSparc~rmgeary
21:13.24SunSparc~mgeary mgeary
21:13.24ibotgo do something useful
21:13.27SunSparc:)
21:13.39SunSparc~mgeary herlo
21:13.39ibotgo do something useful
21:13.48SunSparc~herlo mgeary
21:13.49ibotACTION pokes mgeary in they eye with a sharp needle
21:13.56mgearyheh
21:14.16SunSparc~hehstats
21:14.16ibottotal count of heh on #uphpu: 1270.  Top 3: beandog -- 398 (31.3%), SunSparc -- 228 (18.0%), mgeary -- 153 (12.0%)
21:14.33SunSparcwow!
21:14.42SunSparc~mgearystats
21:15.05SunSparcApparently I lol more than I heh.
21:15.36herlo:)
21:16.08SunSparc~herlostats
21:22.17SunSparc~stats SunSparc
21:22.23SunSparc~stats
21:22.23ibotSince Tue Apr 26 16:22:52 2011, there have been 50 modifications, 1005 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 486 commands.  I have been awake for 15d 4h 59m 31s this session, and currently reference 117795 factoids.  I'm using about 23116 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4415.98/127.76 child 0/0
21:22.44SunSparc~seen SunSparc
21:22.46ibotsunsparc is currently on #uphpu (3h 53m 12s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen SunSparc '.
21:24.21carmony~seen carmony
21:24.22ibotcarmony is currently on #utos (1h 32m 13s) #utah (1h 32m 13s) #uphpu (1h 32m 13s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen carmony'.
21:24.50skinner~seen skinner
21:24.51ibotskinner is currently on #uphpu (7h 17m 47s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen skinner'.
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21:46.43mgeary~pshstats
21:46.47mgearypsh
21:47.00mgeary~moron ibot
21:47.05skinnerlol
21:47.13mgeary~stats
21:47.13ibotSince Tue Apr 26 16:22:52 2011, there have been 50 modifications, 1006 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 486 commands.  I have been awake for 15d 5h 24m 21s this session, and currently reference 117795 factoids.  I'm using about 23116 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4421.86/128.02 child 0/0
21:47.25mgearyhow do you "do" a moron, i wonder?
21:47.56skinnerhow do you give an active fork?
21:48.09mgeary~give skinner an active fork
21:48.10ibotACTION gives an active fork to skinner
21:48.15skinnerlol
21:48.16mgearybeat you
21:48.25skinneryes you did
21:48.30skinner~mgeary++
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23:28.44SunSparcNight all

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